Strymon Iridium Signal Chain || Should Delays and Reverb go pre or post?
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- čas přidán 20. 07. 2024
- For my Presets visit: johnnathancordy.gumroad.com/ This is an experiment with a Boss DM2W and the second half is using one of my HX Stomp patches which has a more extreme Delay/Reverb setting, demonstrating why we might want to put delays/verbs post if using gain on the Iridium.
00:00 Boss DM2W Pre
02:04 Boss DM2W Post
3:21 HX Stomp Pre
3:50 HX Stomp Post - Hudba
I use it both ways: H9 in front, Keeley Delay Station after depending on what I want. Good solution since the otherwise perfect Iridium does not have an effects loop. Nice video showing how you might want one or the other!
And there’s the explanation why Iridium has unbalanced TRS outputs and not XLR. Thanks! Very tasteful playing!
Oh - I hadn't thought of that! You're smart
@Facundo Zupel That would make it perfect!
This is similar to how I run my Stomp and Iridium together. I run into my Stomp first. Then I utilize the Send/Return from the Stomp to go through some drive pedals and then into the Iridium with the IRs bypassed. Then it’s back to the Stomp for my wet effects and then into an IR I’ve loaded into the Stomp. Great tones and inspiring playing!🤘🏻🎸
Great video. One thing to be noted with "same settings" on delay though is that the iridium compresses the hell out of what's before it pushing it up in the mix. When delays after it's sending a now compressed signal into the delay. Both ways sound great and it's just what you're looking for sound wise really.
thanks for that, i didnt't think of it that way. definitely something to consider
Great demo and playing. I think the delay pre Iridium sounds more vibey and swampy in a good way. Reverb definitely post most of the time for a lush and modern produced sound, but if you want an outboard, retro or surf, reverb tank type of sound I think pre is the way to go. So I guess it depends on how modern or produced you want your tone to be. For more retro sounding stuff a tape delay and spring reverb going in Pre is the golden ticket.
For some reason the DM-2W is only come out the left when you demo'd it after the Iridium, but damn, the Iridium sounds so much better with the verb/delays after, rather than before. Great demo!
I think that the DM2 has a stereo output and one of those is completely dry?
My iridium is coming in soon and I really appreciate your videos. They've been very helpful. Thanks man 🤙🏼
UPDATE 2022: my board is set with od/dist and boost pre-iridium, with delay chorus and reverb post-iridium. This works great for me. 🤘🏼
This answered a big question for me! I just got the Iridium and I've moved it to pre-delay. Here's a question:
Signal chain: SP Comp -> Drives (PoT, OCD)->VP JR->Boost (CAE Driver)->Iridium->EP Boost @ unity gain->Timeline->out to mixer (1/4" or DI depending on the gig).
1. Did you have to increase the mix level on your delays when you put them post-Iridium? I'm noticing mine get lost in the mix, but I've always had them pre-Iridium.
2. Do you prefer the gain on the Iridium to pedal drive? Should I move the EP to pre-Iridium?
Thank you SO much! Your demos were a big reason I got the Iridium :)
It is worth noting - If anyone is looking to run their iridium CLEAN ONLY, then the iridium being post delay and reverb can add an extra bit of compression to those fx (can be a good thing). The iridium then serves extra purposes of having the mono/stereo/sum switch being the last thing in your pedalboard chain.
What can I say, you are awesome, thank you for this video, it certainly was one of the videos I needed. 🙏🙏
Really really enjoyed your playing! Got me up out of bed at 12:42 just to play! I definitely like effects post better 💯
I use it the same way for reverbs and delays as well HOWEVER, one solution for spread is to use a stereo insert cable PRE Iridium. The gain will still make it dirty (which is a sound a lot of people like) but at least capture the stereo spread. IMO the wet fx can get a bit sterile POST iridium without any sort of preamp before them.
That sound at 1:40 🔥
The video i need most.
I hoped it might be slightly useful!
For a change, a guitar gear video with some melodic and ambient tunes. Can you also do a video on best guitar plugins and best drum kits for guitars?
You deserve a reward from Strymon!
I prefer my volante post iridium but when using the headphone out you have to put everything in front.
My volante should be here soon!!
johnnathancordy I bet there will be another great demo then..
poronkusema if you do a lot of headphone playing, you can run a headphone amp post Volante. Not too expensive if you look around.
Headphone direct from iridium sounds great, headphones from the time-line using iridium sounds flat to me, I do not why
@@felipegomabrockmann2740 The Iridium has a headphone amplifier, which probably has a low output impedance in order to drive headphones properly. If you plug headphones directly into the Timeline's output, its impedance is 100 ohms which is too high for many headphones and will color the response.
A way to fix this would be to use a headphone amplifier (doesn't have to be expensive) after the Timeline.
yeah, its an issue cuz there's no effects loop. If you're going into a pedal after the Iridium, then that pedal is getting the cab emulation sound, which is not what it would normally be
Hi John wonderful video and playing, been following your channel for quite some time now. I am interested in the iridium but I love my delay and and reverbs and am worried with this unit having no effects loop. I was interested in the simplify but saw the effects loop was noisy when you demoed it.. so my question is..with High gain stuff does the iridium handle delays etc or do they distort?
Kind regards Dan
So this has been my problem! Thanks man.
Really considering using it at the end of my chain to practice and for live settings. I also use it as a light overdrive. Nothing wild. Would love you professional Opinion. Thanks. Great recording
My less professional opinion: after totally works great and is way better for practicing with headphones. It depends on how much drive/gain you're pushing through the iridium I think (and what sound you're trying to get). If you have it before your delays, you need an audio interface to be able to listen to the full chain including delay and reverb and that might defeat the purpose of your having the pedal in the first place. Something to consider.
Pre-Everything. I’ve switched it back and forth so many times. You can debate which sounds better, but I find the Iridium to be much more user friendly when it’s last in the chain.
Great video as usual 👍🏻👍🏻 ... just a question , have you never tried IRIDIUM in the loop of Boss MS3 before delay and reverb ?
Also wondering this
Stereo effects after are a dream, like a studio setup. The iridium’s superb verb then models what a miced room or stage would sound like. I don’t understand some people’s concern for an effects loop. FX loops are a compromise made in real amps because putting the FX after the cabinet isn’t easy at a gig (unless you have someone running the board you trust). A loop would add little sonic value over the huge benefit of being able to place pedals after the pedal as shown in this vid.
Once you go post, you never go pre...or sumat
The concern for an effects loop would help me utilize the headphone jack when using the amp is not an option. Any effects on the sound after the pedal would not be heard.
Thanks for this video. Where would you place additional overdrives or distortion? Before or after iridium? How about a pitch shifter? Thanks again. /C
I would suggest before, but you might get some interesting sounds after! Also pitch shifter I'd imagine would be best before?
How about the position of "volume boost" pedals if I want signal straight to the mixer?
Great video! I really like your content. I just wanted to ask: when you put the delay after Iridium, are you using another kind of cab simulator or the delay go straight to the audio interface? Thanks!
Hi! Did you get similiar experiences - with post and pre - when you go directly into a mixer and FOH-Speakersystem?
Thanks for the fantastic video! It is true that when you put the Iridium at the beginning of your modulation effects chain, the result is more clear, but due to the output of the Iridium headphones, you lose the option of being able to listen to all the effects. although if you are practicing at home you can always use the headphone output of your audio interface, right?
Yeh exactly. I guess both ways can work, it's generally with higher gain tones that I don't really like how the delay takes over and distorts!
As long as you have a delay and reverb that can handle line level, the output on the Iridium has more than enough volume to drive headphones through the post effects' own stereo outs.
Pretty cool! So if I'm treating this as an effects loop, should modulation effects go pre or post Iridium? Where should I place my Strymon Mobius? I like to play on a clean channel by the way
I figured out that my bigSky and Timeline sounded better after the Irdium months ago. Got my BOSS MD-500 in the other day and I was trying it pre and post and to me it sounds better after the Iridium.... So in my signal chain I have (other pedals) > Iridium > MD-500 > Timeline > bigSky > audio interface.
Your playing is reminiscent of Eric Johnson, nice job!
I wish!!
I was just working through this exact question! Thx for this. I actually like Iridium>Delay/Verb>CabZeus. QUESTION: what’s the upright stand you are using for the pedals?
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And she's your 18yo daughter
It's also her birthday🎈
What now?? 🤔 i know, tough..
Do you bypass the cab setting on the iridium ?
JUst bought an Iridium today and was fighting to get it to sound decent and came on to see if anyone had posted about placement and you solved it for me. I need to place it before my delays. It needs a effects loop. maybe in a later incarnation Strymon will.
Awesome! I found it worked really nicely for me post!
So there is no way to apply the delay between the amp and the cab of the Iridium, like in a FX loop of an amp head ? It is or before the amp, or after the cab. Correct ?
That's right as there's no FX loop it's pre amp and cab or post amp and cab
I try mimic you but my mono delay pan only to pa left speaker . Solve how?
when you connect the effects to post, the amp and the IR sound the same? don't you need to use a cab simulator or something else to maintain the tone?
Did you know the Boss delay post Iridium was panned hard left?
Yeh turns out it has a direct and effect split?
Question, when you were doing the pedals post iridium, did you go straight from that pedal to direct? Or was there another step. I would like to set up my board with my drives and compression first, then the iridium, then my delays, then into the PA system. Trying to see if you were doing something similar here.
Bro! Excellent playing. I listened to this ten times just for the music 🔥🔥
Yeh straight from pedal into the interface!
johnnathancordy thank you! Looking forward to getting my hands on it!
@@johnnathancordy so u can go from the last pedal (say, reverb) straight to PA without an additional DI? That would be super
@@johnnathancordy you didn't feel the need for a DI box then to the board?
@@adamragland5685 I haven't had the opportunity to gig with it particularly so not as yet....maybe in 2022
Thank you! This was exactly what I needed. Wasn't sure if it's even okay to connect any pedals post the Iridium xD
is there a method to route the delay/reverb effects of the MS-3 after the iridium? Would you just put it in one of the MS-3’s loops?
Same question
Should work. I use the ms3 loops to switch between my Katana's preamp and a joyo American, (so I can't see why you couldn't use the Iridium like that too). With ms3 time effects after the loop block and with the stereo out going into my Tempus and into a stereo IR loader (Mod 5 rockboard). This way I get stereo with all the effects in my headphones and also to interface/mixer.
If the iridium had an effects loop like the Simplifier, I'd have purchased one by now!
So did you need to turn off the strymons IR's when you have the reverbs and delay post iridium? Use a different IR after the delays?
No not at all - imagine it's like a studio!
@@johnnathancordy Care to expound what you mean? "like a studio"?
Oh sorry. Yes. So say you recorded in a studio (home or professional) often you'd try to record dry i.e. without delay or reverb as this leaves more choices and ability to manipulate the recording...so you would use plug-ins for delay or outboard gear. The advantage here is also that the delay stays pristine as it doesn't get run through a guitar speaker. Does that make any sense?
@@johnnathancordy it actually does make sense. Thanks for your reply. I use plugins as well and sometimes I like putting my delays and reverbs after my cab. I'm just not sure how that translates to real world application
I’ve been trying to wrap my mind around it since getting the HX Stomp last month. So far I’ve typically ran my FX loop with Delay/Reverb pre amp/IR and then I’ve been running a reverb on the HX Stomp as well post amp/IR. I’m not accustomed to using amps with FX loops and it’s quite a different sound playing live especially for me. The more I get used to it the more I think I’ll end up moving my loop to post but all my Volante presets will need to have the mix adjusted so I’m putting it off.
Is there a problem putting delays and reverbs post of iridium when you want to go live without anything but your pedalboard...? Do you just send the signal (let's say out of the bigsky) to the PA system (through Di Box) ?
The strymon pedals like timeline and big sky are very good at handling hotter (line-level) signals, so putting the iridium before them, then sending them to the PA system thru DI box works great!
WOW! Sounds so much better after, I guess all the low things get compressed when it's before and it's too much.
I use my reverb after preamp and don't have delay yet. Thank you for showcasing this, it further reinforces my setup and is great to hear such a good example.
Your playing is fantastic, I would say near sheer excellence.... for just noodling I'd say it is excellent. Where did you learn from?
Does It sounds good in a boss ms3 loop?
so when you use the delay post the Iridium. your chain will be like this? Iridium > Delay > Interface ?
the output of the delay pedal will go into the audio interface?
Yes. It does seem a little bit strange but I think it worked quite well!
johnnathancordy so this recording with delay post effects how would you monitor it? Like using an FRFR
@@w1third yeh I think that would be one option!
johnnathancordy I mean how do you run it in a foh option, let’s say that, so if I’m going into a PA system, how can you run delay post? Is that even possible?
DividedByTime you can put a DI after delay and run the balanced line to FOH. Or if you’re in a pinch, just run the delay output to FOH, but you might pick up some noise over a long unbalanced cable run.
Your playing reminds me of Freedom Flight by Shuggie Otis
Have you tried putting the Iridium in the HX Stomp FX Loop? I have an HX Stomp and thought about just using it for effects and picking up the Iridium for amp sounds. That setup would allow for additional post amp effects like compression, EQ, delay, etc...
Sure have - check this one out czcams.com/video/Bvd41YFcHM8/video.html (there's also a few other videos like this if you look around my channel!)
if you do this maybe just sel hx stomp and buy hx effects, worth it and have many switch
What speaker cab are you plug into ?
The iridium runs straight to an interface and can’t run to a cab, it can run to a powered speaker or a PA but not a speaker cab.
Test it using strymon bigsky, it has the cab filter function....if its on, is the iridium cabsim bypassed?
Watching it on september 2022
Seems like the Iridium can't handle multiple signals very well. I've tried looper into Iridium and I get digital (bad kind) distortion on my dry signal through.
Other way around and it's way better.
However, if you run anything mono from or after the Iridium, you will lose your stereo room effect. I've just ordered stereo delay and reverb pedals.
Hi John, I know this is an old video but I hope you'll still find time to reply. I recently tried recording my iridium setup and I have my verbs and delays at the end of my chain. It sounds weird, not like yours. I have an immerse mk2 which has a sum to mono feature which i use to record mono to my interface. It does not sound like how you have it in this video. The verb sounds far and lower in volume. Almost sound like its detached from the guitar sound. Did you record this in stereo? Direct to your interface?
Hey! Yes, I record in stereo, I would not necessarily recommend summing to mono as that might have unpredictable results with stereo delay/reverb things?
@@johnnathancordy Thanks! Have you used iridium on a live situation? Did you sum it or send the stereo signals to FOH?
@@musicandthewalk I think I just sent a mono signal out
@@johnnathancordy did you have to use a DI to sent to mixing desk?
Nice video, but I need more mushy @ 3:50!!
Just wondering how you ran the delay after the iridium? I have attempted this and found the delay/reverbs to be very quiet and not at all the same volume lvls as pre iridium. If you can give your experience of running post iridium it would be greatly appreciated
Isn't there a line/level switch on the Volante? Try that. Also naturally the delay and reverb mix will be less than pre iridium as there's no compression post iridium?
johnnathancordy ok I will try that thank you!
Time based EFX do sound better after but that is the advantage of amps with effects loops. For what the iridium does and how good it sounds it’s a great piece of kit. Great videos and great guitar playing.
The Boss sounded better before the Iridium but the HX sounded better after the Iridium.
Don’t take this the wrong way but you just convinced me to NOT buy an iridium. Ha. It was an informative vid. I was gonna get one for the stereo irs but if I’m going to run all my stereo stuff after it I may as well keep my mono ir pedal and a good preamp (Greer soma) and run the effects after that. Unless I find that the preamp sims on the iridium are that much better than my current preamps. Can’t imagine they are 400 dollars better. Excellent playing by the way. Thanks for taking the time to do this!
Worth checking it out but if you've got a decent preamp etc and ir pedal maybe you're good already! By the way the reason I'm running delay post is not for stereo reasons - you could put your delays pre and stereo, it's just that I prefer the way that delays maintain clarity if they're post preamp. That's where I use them in a real amp - the fx loop. Cheers for stopping by though!
czcams.com/video/45w85hbGLSg/video.html here's the stereo input being put to use by the way!
That’s what I mean, it sounded much better post iridium. There are times when I actually might like reverbs and delays to have the compressed and gritty sound and then it would make sense to use it but usually I’d opt for clarity. I kinda wish it had an actual effects loop so you could do post preamp and pre cabinet. Because although the clarity is there post iridium I feel like reverbs and delays after a cab sim sound unrealistically huge and are hard to fit in a mix. The cab takes me down a bit. Anyway, I’m a junkie for this crap so I’ll probably end up with one anyway. Haha
I need some one to explain how to set this up to me like I'm a child.
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• Place Iridium before time-based effects for a different tonal
character if you prefer.
Source: Iridium User Manual