CHEAP Ratchet HUB Wheelset?? ZTTO DR390 Wheels Quick Check, 30mm ID, Trail, Enduro, XC
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- čas přidán 2. 07. 2024
- Expensive or cheap MTB wheelset?? Carbon or Aluminum. ZTTO has been making MTB components for a while, I just got my hands on a #ratchet hub #wheelset from them, the DR390. Here is a close look at this absolutely cheap aluminum set of wheels that offers 29 and 27.5 options, Boost and non-Boost, and 3 freehub choices in use today - Micro Spline, XD Driver and Shimano HG.
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⌚ Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:39 Low cost ZZTO unboxing
01:27 Wheel details
03:06 REAR Ratchet HUB
04:38 Rim cleanup, weight
05:09 Worth it?
05:48 Conclusions
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I hope you do a ride review of theses wheels. They look promising.
Thanks for letting me know that ZTTO sells wheelset. I owned some ZTTO brand bike tools. I would not hesitate to buy these wheelsets for their value. They look like DT SWISS wheelset with better pricing.
I have bought a lot of ztto tools and accessories like inner foam tubes, they are competitive with bike shop brands at 1/3 of the costs, sometimes for tools it's 1/16th of the costs 😂
Dt Swiss patent has expired so ZTTO is allowed to copy and sell DT Swiss compatible hubs. So why not?
But let’s not get carried away, they’re NOT DT😊
Thanks for being willing to take the chance on them. I'm looking forward to a long term review. These could be great wheels and hubs.
In August 2021 I bought a similar set of aluminium wheels for my 27.5" hardtail MTB. 24 holes each rim. They were branded BUCKLOS. They have held up pretty well, staying true and with only one broken spoke (which I have replaced) after several hundred miles of riding paved roads, hardpack and some rough rocky terrain. And hopping on and off a lot of curbs too. I must say that for the price the quality is excellent and they look lovely. Total price including postage was USD 231.54. I'm still riding them today, they are still very true and as good as new after a few thousand miles now. I am no featherweight @ 80kg (approx. 180lbs). I would definitely recommend the brand and would buy again without thinking twice.
Thanks for sharing your experience with all of us🤘
i have 3 pairs of Ztto branded hubs, but they're the ones with pawls not ratchet types and they're great! had them for 2 years installed on 3 bikes and have not experienced any breakdowns
Thank you for another awesome vid!!! Amazing price,looking forward to your thoughts on these after you get some miles on them...Glad you ripped the stickers off of them.Cheers!!!
Thanks! Will do!
Love your channel. Best informative and Canadian. Trenton ON.
Thanks Charles! Canada eh😊
Buen video, gracias por compartir tu experiencia con los juegos de aros
Wow! Those actually look really nice, and at that price it's crazy. I have a set of locally made Lyne Components rims, they are considered "bang for buck", and they come in at almost 3 to 4 times the cost of these. I'd definitely get a set like this for a budget trail hardtail build.
The aluminum rims I owned were Stans and the seam from the weld are invisible because it is sanded before anodizing. That likely adds to the cost for cleaner aesthetics.
Most probably.
Even the cheapest DT or Mavic have some levels of hand finishing that's minor but smells quality 😎
i have used the 36t and 54t ztto ratchet hubs without any problems. I did lace the wheels myself with european spokes and rims, though, so I cannot judge the DR390 wheelset as is. hubs are definitely legit, though. even with high power ebike motors (120-160Nm)
I have built up two wheelsets using these clone star ratchet hubs on carbon rims. I’ve raced one for a full XC season without issue. It is the Venfort M350 (we posted a review video on them). Amazing value. Only issue was the 60t ratchet (off brand version) failed. The ratchet might be worth buying the DT original
I use kinda previous model (with asymmetric rims and P3 Ratchet ) on my old 26er, and I may say - they are amazing!
Good to know!
I have been running DT 350 hubs with the 54T ratchet for years and they have never let me down. It would be great if you could do a follow up video on the ZTTO rims and hubs after some hard use to see how they are holding up? I agree , the markup on bike stuff is insane.
We’ll see how much hard use those bikes are going to see …😊
I have beaten the hell out of my ZTTO DR190 hub (non-boost version) with both 36 and 54t ratchets, riding over 10k kilometers of kilometers with a powerful mid drive motor (120Nm) and lots of cargo trailer pulling. I have destroyed a couple of pawl freehubs before, the ratchets are really holding up to that abuse, even from ZTTO
Thanks for sharing your experience, encouraging!@@JoLe1991
I have a still use a set of cone bearing 'road wheels" and have had zero issues with them. I think the cost was around 175 US for the set. Not sure I would use mountain wheels with that cheap of price. I would be interested in the use, durability of those wheels and how well they function over time after you thoroughly test them. Thanks for sharing
Been using this and it's predessor, the ztto P3 boost for daily commuting and food delivery. Very inexpensive and can take a good beating for 1/2 year of heavy abuse before bearings or spokes go wacky.
I love the ztto and the new bolany wheels. It's always a very good deal to buy them during black friday sale and end of January beginning of feb. As far as I know, they use pillar spokes on all their rims. At least from their description. Also their hub are compatible with dt swiss but I'm not sure about that statement since I never had to replace one and I also bought extra drivers since they're super cheap.
I talked to one of the manufacturers long long time ago, because I wanted to start a bike store here in the US. They will charge me only 50% price but I have to pay for shipping. Shipping will cost me tens of thousands to get it shipped to my house. So I never went through with it. Back then a wheel set cost front and rear was 175$😢 but with my own branding, it will only cost me between 80 to 90 dollars plus shipping and tax which adds astronomical increased on price.
Wow insane pricing! Thanks for sharing 🤘
I just bought this same wheels last month. Was looking for wider rims to replace my 23mm rims on my old bike and it was cheaper to buy the whole wheels than a pair of rims.
Didn’t test them yet but looks better than some low models from bigger brands
Entry level wheelsets from wtb, Race Face and most other big brands are terrible they are poorly assembled and durability is not great...
And they come with questionable / terrible hubs most of the time
I bought real poc copies for 30 dollar and sweet protection for 25 aprox, both came with extra glasses and looks exactly like real ones, just like they started the machines at night and made originals with different serial. So yes you can find good things cheap in asia, but i dont know if they who make new stuff know so much about bikes and stuff.
Just making them after what the brand owners say here in the west, and its not so easy whit warranty and so if you order like i did.
Amazing.
You should review Koozer xm490 pro hubs! I've seen few reviews and the price to quality seems to be out of this world.
Please make a follow up video on this wheelset and its performance and durability. I have used an inexpensive Koozer wheelset that rocks for $200 USD. It hasn’t broken yet.
The markup on many components is high, but name brand aluminum rims has to be among the highest. An extruded piece of aluminum wrapped in a circle with holes drilled for 80usd?
At varous times I've bought raceface or wtb rims on clearance from CRC for 15-25 each, used good quality pillar spokes and a decent hub. Complete wheelset is still going to be at least 180. So those ZTTO wheels are impressively priced.
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Another good video! I wouldn't hesitate to buy this wheelset for a parts bin build at all, and the weight is very respectable for the price. $220 shipped to the US! The hubs also look suspiciously similar to Ibis Logo hubs. 😏
Totally agree! And even better, 220 Canadian $$$!
I have those hubs on my bike for a year now no issues there great and they are compatible with dy Swiss internals I believe Patton expired that’s why
Yes 💯 the reason
Interesting. I bought a set of inexpensive wheels. Wtb htz i30 rims with shimano mt400 hubs. They are basically entry level emtb wheels. Around $300. Got them at a local bike shop but they are made by Wheel Shop which is apparently an assembly joint out of Canada.
Yeah I remember seeing a push of WTB/ Shimano hubs wheels in the market not too long ago. Saw them online and with shipping it wasn’t a good deal anymore
Zed tee tee oh 👌🏻
I've bought a few ZTTO things over the years - pf bb, hub set, cassette, all turned out to be cheese. The hubs were the standard pawl type.
“Cheese” -is that good or bad?
@@RC-fp1tl Parts that look like they're made of metal but perform like they're made of cheese!
@@trentvlakoh ☹️
Thanks for the clarification!
Budget hubs definetly scares me, I had one that gave away at the brake mount holes while doing a slow speed wheelie, imagine that happening at a high speed downhill run... Chills bruh
Great video as always and this does prove my point about huge mark up on asian made products. I am in the market for 650b wheelset for my bike and the DT Swiss G1800 here in Australia is anywhere between $750-$850 depending where you buy it. This particular set is made in Taiwan so, I can imagine what the mark up will be for these.An absolute rip off.
Yup I think we’re right, huge markups
I did a Mostly ZTTO bike build on a Giant Fathom, didn't use these wheels, ended up with Shimano SLX for cheap. Would be interested if these hubs can withstand a good climb up the Kelso hill at max speed :)
That's the price of a rim without the hub in my region's bike shops, that's why I get so much stuff on ali 😉
I'm pretty satisfied with the 9velo mt30 but I'm saving them for the summer, I have the Duroc 30 29", 270$ delivered to my home (1 hr north of Montreal) I saw the ztto but they where like 300$ at the time of purchase, for beater wheels the cheapest is best 😂
Very true!
a good company is very
I like this company. I tried their 54 tooth ratchet upgrade in my DT 350 hub. It broke on my first ride after a punchy climb.....but they were cool and gave me a refund. I imagine the 36 tooth will be less prone to breakage. Long term review will be interesting. The value is hard to beat even if you had to source some genuine DT ratchets.
Why I decided to try them for this build!
Apparently they were just copying the design, not using the right metal/hardening process.
@@doncrescas and that is usually the difference between the original and just a copy😉
I have some ztto wheels. The rims and hubs are ok for what they cost. I had to relace the rear wheel with new spokes because the wheels are poorly built up with spokes of the wrong length causing spoke failure (some to long some to short). I have had a much better run out of koozer wheels that seem to have better rims and much better spokes/wheel building
Hi, im looking to buy Ztto P3 Boost Wheelset, for AM/Enduro use, the other option i have are Koozer XF2046, for i saw, Ztto rims have better internal hardening.
They'll be in 29" in boost
You should have a weekly spot on CTV or Global or something.
Ha😊wouldn’t that be something !
How have these held up?
are the wheels compatible with quick release axles front and rear?
I know ZTTO is a Chinese manufacturer but saying it as a word always gives me Japanese vibes, "zetto". I would totally send it with those wheels.
Crazy good price. Your exchange rate is way off though 😛
Looking forward to a review of these.
It was 220 cad to my door though...😛
I am from Asia and living here in Canada for a couple years i definitely find prices for bicycle (and many other things) priced waay higher than in Asia. Granted things need to be shipped a longer distance to get here. But if you can get aliexpress to ship some wheels to you for $220 then that simply means local bike shops with their labour just cant compete with the low cost labour overseas
Cost of living is higher, you cannot pay people peanuts here. It's complicated...
@@LoveMTB exactly
I wonder how easy is to swap freehub body ( XD = Micro Spline) and needed spaces and washers.
Did you…watch the video?😊
well i am using carbon wheelset from Chinese brand and they are pretty good. 1300 grams of wheelset with xd driver and yes Ratchet system
brand name is nextie
I’ve seen that brand before. Enjoy! More XC or trail wheels?
@@LoveMTB Its XC oriented wheel. got pretty decent deal on the wheelset with their own brands HUB. good for price to performance ratio.
@@fewkilometersaday if it doesn’t give you thouble and is a quality set that’s all that matters
@@LoveMTB exactly
I have a set of yishun 650b carbon wheels on my gravel bike that I picked up on pinkbike for $300. Came w dt swiss 350 hubs. They are excellent wheels. I'd recommend them.
Can you do a video about maintenance of your bikes?
I have sooo many vids, many about maintenance. Did you check them out? Any other sugestions?
@@LoveMTB bearings, my nightmare 😅
@@ilidiofaria I hear you…😊
Refreshing... A "CZcamsr" reviewing the items that most people look and are afraid to buy.
Pedals, saddles, grips, bolts, valves, lights are the things i can remember in 10s that you can buy is Asia and has a ridiculous markup on the main brands.
Hi! I have ztto hubs 54 ratchet non-boost, 650b Dt rims, at my wife’s cc bike, she is 50 kg weight. Wheelset is about 1600-1700 grams. So, 3 seasons, approx 2000 kilometres mileage every season, paved road and hardpack mostly, no jumps - well, hubs is completely fine, just cleaning ratchet system every month.
My only question is for heavier riders, like me (80kg) - will it work well for a period.
Thanks for sharing 🙏
I am going to put this wheelset to my new frame. The frame is a really expensive steel Stanton Shrepa. And having near zero experience in bike mechanics I wonder if those wheels can do any serious damage to the frame in case of an accident which they can't stand..
I know the question may sound ridiculous, but again I'm have zero experience..
P. S. The price if the frame with the delivery to my country is so high that i decided to go for this wheelset temporarily.
You will be fine...enjoy your Sherpa!
@@LoveMTB thank you! Now I'm feeling secure) )) 😁
Does anyone know how to get a stripped bolt out of the star but I have my stem and spacers installed but the bolt fully stripped during the process lucky me it’s fully tight but I want to remove the bolt and put a better quality bolt in do I just hammer the star nut out?
You puch the star nut down the steerer, that's how you get it out
That is like old DT swiss
Yup totally. Patent expired so that's why you see so many of these poping around
Can you make review on (paps pro 2) hub
If I can get my hands on one sure, I can take a look.
They claim can compair to industry nine hydra but cheaper $100
The ratchet rings for those things wear out very fast so you better have spares on hand
Some reviews on AliExpress say there were problem with getting the wheels set up tubeless ... curious if anyone has any first hand experience?
Have you tried? Don’t see a reason for that.
1. Do the end caps pull off by hand on the front and rear hubs? Or do you need a tool?
2. Do you think these wheels would work with the DT 54t ratchet freehub for more engagement?
1. all by hand
2. yes
Cheap wheels are cheap wheels; alloy is not created equal, the same goes for the spokes (which you should have checked the tension of) and the bearings (or course the feel good brand new). No experience with this brand but based on entry level OE wheels there is no way these would hold up as well as entry level DT wheel. Also, I believe the patent has been out for awhile now on the DT ratchet so anyone is free to use it so expect to see that on generic wheels going forward but that doesn't mean its the same as DT.
The mark up is gonna include “ R&D “, Mold acquisition/Mold adjustments, Materials both product and Packaging, Taxes, Importation fees, “ QC “ and the biggest pain of it all, Shipping, Especially expedited shipping.
The mark up too especially on “ branded “ stuff is atrocious. Almost double or triple the price of the product in asia. So yes, All you have to make sure about stuff that comes out of china is Good to decent machining, Quality control, And ethical and humane treatment of workers.
Use a hair dryer to heat up the decals for easy removal.
Yeah....actually it was way worse with the hair dryer as all the glue stayed on the rim! So no, for these no heat needed, much better without.
@@LoveMTB Much better if you use isopropyl alcohol, the sticker just peels off once the ipa gets underneath.
Is there a link to the wheels.
I just bought them online if you search put in the model number DR390
It is possible that the hubs are of good quality... I have been riding a trail bike with shimano hubs mt 410 for 3 years, I weigh 95 kg, I have covered at least 8000 km with them, Shimano hubs mt410 cost $35 in Germany, and shimano does not work on a small margin..So I think this chinese product can be good, and I had their dropper lever, it works perfectly
Interestingly I have first bought the ZTTO remote from them and seeing the machining and quality definitely encouraged me to consider something like this.
@@LoveMTB Yes, that's exactly what I concluded..
Did you get these from AE? I'm in Ontario and can't find these in AE for that price.
These are AE. And you can find links for parts like these in the description
@@LoveMTB ok thanks!
well, part of the cost of the real DT Swiss wheelset / hubs relies in R&D. Research and development - that's a cost that ZTTO & others don't have to deal with... Now, we don't really know what part in the final price is the R&D cost, but nontheless, we shouldn't forget about this aspect.
As we shouldn't also forget that the patent for the DT Swiss hubs expired recently - that's why so many DTSwiss-style hubs are available on aliexpress. But, shouldn't this also mean that original DT Swiss hubs should come cheaper, now?
We wish! Why the new DT hubs use Ratchet EXP? New patent for the future? Even though I already have a couple of 3rd party hubs using the same idea…
I have a bunch of ZTTO stuff. Some are crap some good. Unless these are super cheap I wouldn't touch them.
And even then I don’t buy super cheap stuff, you usually get what you pay for!
@@LoveMTB ZTTO is just one brand out of multiple for items that come out of the same factories. Other brands such as West Biking, Rockbros, Buclos and S-fight often share these factories and exact design, just the logo is different. In addition to this, each of these brands have atleast dozens of vendors, each one setting their own prices. Sometimes you can get the same actual product 80% cheaper from another brand if you can get lucky. Not talking about these specific wheels, but items such as pedals, valves, and brake pads have huge differences in prices even tho they come from the same factories.
@@LoveMTB The price one pays vs the quality one gets is not always correlated. Currently there is a huge surplus of cycling stock post covid floating around, and I bought brand new Shimano Deore shifter and rear derailleur 12s for $16 delivered total.
@@6295607 that’s absolutely insane!
@@6295607 you’re probably correct however out of the many other satellite brands out there ZTTO seem to be the more consistent? They’ve also been around for a while and didn’t disappear so there you have it, all the reasons why I have them a chance with this😊
Where is the purple...
😂 next set!
Some call it budget, but actually what happened is that, products are coming from worlds factory whereby raw material are low in cost. Most of the time many things that are made in West are actually overpriced not because the raw material is expensive, but it's a "you ripped i ripped too" kind of business which eventually makes products even more expensive than it should be, that's capitalism for you 😆
DT Swiss, Shimano, SRAM etc they all got quality control = more cost = more safe, I would never buy a random asia / china brand, sorry but riding a bike I want to live at the end of my trip.
I hear you...
@@LoveMTBI get why ppl want to buy cheap, but its important to remember: yes for a brand you paymore for the name, but also for quality control, big brands do not want to be sued, and cheap brands - they exists in the moment you buy them, but they stop existing once something horryfying has happened and was reported to them. so untill there wont be a 3rd party quality control company for those companies ill never buy something that was not tested
I got we are one wheels 😇
Oh that’s night and day vs these isn’t it?
@@LoveMTB yes 😇
To be honest for me ztto are generic brands im not sure about there website or any other products and services and most of them sells at online. Here in phil when they say its hub they only care about the noise and durability, not the engagement or something technical about that hub but for me it's best to test some chinese brands but don't put your 100% trust on it. I only cares about your safety that's it. Cheers!
You and me both Jose! But the reality is they are around and they sell and people use them. So might as well take a look at what they are about