The Trae Young Problem, Explained
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- čas přidán 5. 01. 2024
- If you enjoy following the Hawks, follow Brad Rowland on twitter. He's a local media guy and does a fantastic job. Following local media for the NBA is far more enjoyable on average. x.com/BTRowland?s=20
Here's the website I used for Dejounte Murray's EPM: dunksandthrees.com - Sport
I’m aware of the report that came out yesterday on the Hawks being open to selling at the deadline and I reference it later in the video. I had been working on this for 5 days so added that in this morning after it surfaced.
What topic would you guys like to see next? Considering a Lakers video but they’re all anyone ever talks about.
dont do lakers, they are boring as hell.
Do mavs next, I feel like they're always 1-2 pieces away every season, but they never manage to pull it off
What the rockets can do to take the next step and start building a team that can go multiple rounds into the playoffs
These videos are amazing bro. Maybe a video on the Washington Wizards and Jordan Poole's season 👀
@@paybackyt thanks brother! I like it. Gonna have to add that to the queue at some point here.
Been a hawks fan for 10 years. I think I speak for everyone when I say I’m more than willing to trade away the majority of our assets for trade picks and decent contracts
Trade young
No just trade Trae everything else is good
@@martinstilltz638 you can’t be serious 😭
@@martinstilltz638 🤡
thank god those two bozos aren’t GMs
Not gonna lie, I thought John Collins was just being misused over the past few seasons in Atlanta. He got the nickname John the Baptist by being the guy that dunked on your favorite player, he was most effective in the dunker spot and recently Atlanta had been pushing him outward a lot more, and although he could hit it a couple of times from 3 that was never his primary source of production. But now even though being given that role back from Utah it just really seems like he's gotten worse with time. Seriously who could have saw this coming.
It was clear to me that Capela being used as the roll man would hamper his development but not this badly. I really think atl needed a stretch 5 that John could play around because he was becoming an interior force and 19/10 guy. I think Jalen Johnson fortunately does more things defensively to make up for it.
They were misusing him. Hes hasnt been the same after the injuries. There is a clear decline. His shot bounced back though.
3s or GTFO!!
@@lostone9700 I mean in the modern NBA what exactly are you supposed to do with a guy who's too small to play the 5 but not skilled enough to play the 4?
And he sweet
I don't understand the NBA nowadays. Being an aged european fan I can't see the games either due to the live broadcast being too late at night. Sometimes I read critics on him and other fans saying he was a hype and stuff along those lines. What I saw from him is top quality basketball. He's creative, fast, intelligent and finds solutions to get the ball in there. For me personally he is one of the most exciting players I've seen in a long time along with Ja Morant. It's a shame to see such talent being put to waste for which ever reason.
Man u better use them free streaming sites
@@OfficialMIATLwon't help when average game starts 4am
The truth is that Trae will always be a liability on defense which means something when you are trying win games.
@@natevanderwyou haven’t been watching games then lol he’s having his best defensive szn and isn’t the liability he once was guys like Hali and dame are far worse but have better talent coaching and structure around them that Trae doesn’t have the luxury of having at his disposal
Harden was a defensive liability but he had no excuse being 6ft5. Got his team to almost beating the dynasty warriors because of good defense around him. 6ft1 Trae Young is surrounded by similar offensive players with very little defense surrounding him. If hawks can convert their surplus in offense to defense, they could be in contention for a 2nd round exit next year
they got dejaunte murray because before that season miami heat contained trae young to 15pts ppg in the playoff by double teaming him. They was trying to counter that by adding Dejounte Murray.
This is a really good point. When the refs allow you to foul like the Heat do at FTX arena (especially in the post season), it's really hard for Trae to go out there and carry the offense on his own. For most of last season (really until the playoffs) it looked like they were right to do add another ball-handler/play-maker because DJ was our best player for large stretches last season.
Dejounte move was so horrible that I'm genuinely baffled by FO's sometimes. Everyone but them foresaw the issue of Murray being useless off ball and him & Trae not being compatible. If I was Hawks, I'd try get Klay as the main supplement to Trae and let Murray go. Trae Young in my opinion is the most underrated player in the league. Running a heliocentric offence is so difficult yet he does it effortlessly, he is an offence on his own, the hardest quality in basketball imo.
The only reason why the dejounte move happened is because the owner’s son wanted to play mygm 💀
Every spurs fans know that dejounte isnt a good fit with trae 😂
@@HelloThere-lo3qiEvery Hawks fan too. Just not the clowns in the FO
Trae young is underrated?
How? He’s perfectly rated. Horrible on defense can’t move off ball and jacks up a ton of shots on pretty average efficiency. He’s a second option
Why the hell would the warriors want Dejounte?
Subbing man, loved the intro with the chronological dates + reports/media bites
Your Content needs more appreciation💯
Wow it's very rare to actually see someone who is paying attention to what's going on with the Hawks and hit the nail on the head! Well done
Trae is a one man offense... for BOTH teams.
Good one sums it up pretty well
Man he is playing better defense than the previous years and if match their games you understand that de bug defensiva problem is from inside the arc
Wow, well said. I'll be quoting this quite a bit. Thank you...
You lie a lot lol. He’s not that bad on defense anymore stop being deceived
you should not be depending on your point guard for defense. The entire team is bad at D.
You need a big who can score on ball/off ball and defend. (A pascal siakam) you're 2 and 3 should be guys who can defend and shoot 3. One of them should be able to occasionally create for themselves, a rim running 5, and then a guy off the bench who can be a 6th man to run the 2nd unit. Trae is a great offensive weapon, but you need the right pieces around him.
It's going to be hard as hell to build a championship level team around Trae Young. It's not a knock on his talent level. He's awesome. It's just a reality of how hard the NBA is. BUT if the Hawks hope to build a championship level team around Trae the only way to get there is with him as the only engine of the offense. Multiple on ball creators is not the way. Which is why I never understood the Murray move. You gotta lean in to Trae just running it all. The team around him has to be full of play finishers on offense, athletes with size on defense.
We Tried That But Look What Happened In 2022. Trae Got Destroyed By Miami Because There Wasn't Another Ball Handler. All They Had To Do Was Throw Bodies At Trae, Get Ball Out Of His Hands, And They Comfortably Won. We Need A Genuine Two Way Ball Handler THAT CAN PLAY WITHOUT THE BALL. Murray Does A Good Job Of Providing Some Offense Without Trae But His Defense Hasn't Been What We Hoped For And He Hasn't Been Doing Anything Useful Without The Ball.
I would love to see you do something about the cavs!! Another great video 🎉
The thing is Tre Young is a perfect 0.500 player. Whatever he gives you on offense, he lets the other team score on defense. So all of his teams will always be 500 teams that win half of the games and lose half the games. I am willing to bet they finish 41-41
This thought process only makes sense if the rest of the team is at least average.
Hunter
Bey
Clint are all below average and aren’t good defenders.
This is such a stupid take, most point guards are not good defenders. Curry, ja, hali, dame, maxey, etc. are all horrible defenders yet they succeed due to the pieces surrounding them.
Yeah and no one but Curry in that list will likely lead to a title. So that's the point. But also Tre is much worse than everyone you named@@ajbksfinest
@@blablablaa14 now you’re talking about winning a title when the conversation was .500 basketball. Big casual spotted.
@@blablablaa14
He’s literally 8th in steals
3rd among Point guards
Tied 7th in charges for what it’s worth
And even gets off ball fouls on defense now
It’s never gonna be Tony Allen but people who aren’t watching keep rehashing an old narrative because they’re lazy
I will never understand why they got another max PG when they have Trae. Dumbest move that’s holding this team back. Murray is a good PG, but Trae is clearly the best player. We don’t need another star PG even when he’s resting. Get someone to manage the game as backup. Get a better wing or a SG to start. I wanted to try to trade for JB on the Celtics when he was available
The word at the time was Trae needed a PG who would allow him to play off the ball.
I remember people talking up Dejounte before anybody thought he’d be available. He was the pipe dream before he became reality.
@@wt7553 That’s crazy and never liked that. I do remember at the time the narrative was Trae was a bad lockerroom guy and I think they wanted to scare him into behaving by bringing Murray in and it backfired cause Murray isn’t as talented. And Trae doesn’t need that kind of backup. Get him a real backup PG like a Tyus Jones type guy
@@wt7553I remember that to, because the team he had before pretty much peaked in 2021. I remember a ton of people were saying at the time before Murray played how it was a good move because he was a good defender unlike Huerter. It was that he could help the backcourt not get cooked like they used it, and it would allow Trae to play off ball and have another star with him. However, even at best I didn’t see that move making them a contender, maybe a 4 or 5 seed at best that would get beaten by Bucks, Celtics, etc
Trae struggling in the Heat series made the Hawks desperate for a second ball handler since the Heat completely trapped Trae and stagnated the Hawks entire offense. Fortunately for the Spurs, Dejounte had a good season and was named as a filler All-star and they were able to sell insanely high on him. Now after the dissapointing past few seasons the Hawks are in a very concerning situation. They don't have their draft capital to improve, they are stuck with Murray on a newly signed extension and if they sell him it would be for pennies on the dollar.
I see Hawks fans not even entertain the idea of trading Trae Young, and that's completely understandable. He's the franchise guy. However, there's very little the Hawks can do to improve their team without any assets and the road they are currently on, it's looking like it will get very ugly very fast and they will be forced to sell on Young with no more leeway. Rebuilding sucks but it feels even worse when you realize that you should've done it years ago before it got too late.
@@Sunking210 I hate being a fan of this trash franchise because you’re right. The best move they can make is trading Trae because they’re not going to be able to build anything for him. Everyone else who actually fit in on that team has been traded at this point.
Great video!
One of the few that have gotten it right. DJ, Hunter and lack of a big are the problem. They need a big, bigger than Capela, even as backup to Capela and play OO at PF. I think they had a good draft but there’s no way to see because the coach only goes 7 or 8 deep.
How about CC and Hunter for Ayton?
@@patricseventeen4615 I’d do that too.
That Dejounte Murray trade got overshadowed by the Gobert trade (which btw its looking like detractors such as myself were wrong about) but I was legit shocked even at the time they pulled the trigger on that deal.
2 words - Mark Jackson
Awesome analysis!
Dejounte Murray's defence has always been overrated, thanks for pointing that out.
He was much better in the Spurs early days. As he got better offensively, he started being lazy defensively and the Spurs saw that and sold high on him because they saw he can't be that guy
@@blablablaa14 he had duncan, kawhi ,and danny green so yea...
He wasn't on that team buddy hahaha@@mordakie3805
@@mordakie3805Dejounte never played with Timmy, Danny Green isn’t gonna affect any else’s offensive progression, and by the time he was really in the rotation Kawhi was hurt, then gone. It had nothing to do with the team around him
@@mordakie3805green only played one season with Murray and Duncan retired in 2016 off season, Kawhi pretty much missed the whole 2017-18 season. He was one of the best defensive guards but he tore his ACL
Hawks fan here. The front office is absolutely doing the right thing. Landry may have traded assets for Dejounte Murray, but it was Travis Schlenk who traded up for De'Andre Hunter and gave John Collins $125 million for dunking on people, but never once did he try to get Trae an efficient backcourt mate, unless you count Bogi. Jalen Johnson's rise might be what saves this franchise, because it gives Atlanta two legit young stars to build around. The front office's current plans may work out even better than anyone expects.
“TITS”really messsed us up ngl
lol very bold take - no backcourt help - are you serious . if young would be as you guys wish he is you should have the best backcourt and no one beside dallas should come even close
Brain dead comment, but typical from fellow hawks fans. John had a great season and he got a pretty average contract for his numbers and what he was for the team. If we didnt pay him he would have walked for free in FA. SURE captain hindsight that would have been fine because we basically got nothing for him anyway but nobody - NOBODY saw his decline coming. Travis Schlenk also drafted JJ. The DJM trade was way worse than paying hunter and John.
Your best player can't be as inefficient as trea young. Between trying to lead the NBA in turnovers, consistently shooting less than 45% from the field, and being a defensive turnstile. Trea is the primary problem. Every thing else is secondary.
One of the smartest and lucrative trades SA has ever made. Its nice to see Murray unhappy especially after he talked trash about the Spurs org the moment he stepped foot in Atlanta. This helped us secure the number 1 pick and we got a windfall of draft picks. Thanks Atlanta!
It is a solid trade for y'all but I wouldn't say he is unhappy. He has played well in ATL, just not what the team needs.
Unfortunately you guys used it on an anorexic french men
It's tough. There's also a mindset that, well, if Trae Young is a great player, then he should be able to "make the team better" a la Jordan or at the very least "carry the team on his back" to wins a la Iverson. If Young was a great player, we wouldn't be talking about what team they should trade him to😢
-no one is talking about trae because he's highly inefficient. he's only shooting for 30ppg because he's jacking up 3s at a 10 per game pace. when you shoot that much from downtown, you really should be better then a 1point per shot shooter, else your much better off taking 2s. and he's barely better then a 1 point per shot shooter from deep.
the problem with trae is he thinks he's steph curry. he's not.
someone has to pull his rights to just shoot from wherever he wants to calm him down a bit. he's not really helping the hawks.
Traes 3pt shooting bumps his efg% from 48.5 to 51.7…still not great tho
Maybe you should go look at the stats before talking shit lol, trae's EFG is 52 percent, which for the only offensive threat outside of the paint, is pretty fucking good.
An eFG of 52% IS very, very close to one point per shot: 1.04pps. :P De'Aaron Fox and Jamal Murray are at 54%/1.08, Luka and Steph are at 57%/1.14, Shai is at 58%/1.16 (and also a strong defender), Haliburton is at a frankly ridiculous-for-a-guard 59%/1.18.
"No one" is talking about Trae because he's an offense-shifted player and has a gargantuan usage rate, but only produces average NBA offense. He's better than his mid eFG suggests, because he gets to the line at volume and shoots well there, which results in solid enough True Shooting percentage. But even then, his efficiency is at the level you'd want from a second option for a good team, perhaps as low as third option for a great team.
His assist to turnover ratio looks a little better (it's in the middle of the listed guards, drastically behind Haliburton's absurd highs, well behind Murray and Shai, slightly ahead of Luka and Fox, well ahead of Steph who isn't a lead ballhandler) but again, it's nothing special, just an average AtT rate with both good and bad numbers inflated by high usage. Solid enough, but unexciting if you look at anything beyond raw box scores.
Meanwhile, he's a worse defender than anyone else on that list except *maybe* Haliburton.
@@MoogleEmpMog Holy shit how many of you idiots is going to comethrough making the same braindead argument.
Seriously? Comparing Trae's situation to Steph/Shai and Jamal's is NUTS. ABSOLUTELY NUTS. Haliburton is a complete outlier but even still, the pacers entire offense is about 10percent more effective than any other in the league (as per their offrat)
His gargantuan usage rate is WHY his EFG is so (relatively) bad, if youre the only fking threat from outside the paint on your entire team bar ONE other guy, youre gonna have pressure on you 24/7. You put steph curry on that hawks team and i GUARANTEE you steph aint shooting 57 percent efg because hes not getting clean looks that the kerr offense generates for him, because there's no other threats on the hawks, and no kerr!
Okay - im not reading anymore - i seriously cannot be assed having to make the same point over and over again yet no one here wants to address it. They just wanna talk about efg (and talking ball handling when regarding a/t ratio made me lol when 90 percent of pg turnovers come off passes, not lost dribbles) even though his is still positive, on an booty ass team where he has the ball 90 percent of the time.
trae young is not a number 1 option it's that simple
The title made me think this was a hit piece on Trae Young but this was good video and as a hawks fan I agreed with your analysis. I think the hawks should probably sell and pray that Trae stays patient
Nah..Trae can go as well. He is too in efficient. Not a center piece to build around
@@brotherLee340 he’s been balling check his stats for the last 20 games
Hawks management does not want to admit that they've made the mistake of trading for Young. They'll ride with Young to death.
Even if they "admit they made a mistake", what exactly is the next step? They can rebuild without moving him.
Well how many championships have the Mavs won
@@Forrest-ml8tiJordan didn’t win a title until he was 26 but it’s clear luka is on another level to trae. Hawks fumbled that trade big time.
@@lawrencedanao7648 that's your opinion and my fact is one Jordan has nothing to do with discussion and 2 as of today neither trae or Luka has a title. And if Luka was in Atlanta the Hawks still would not be NBA champions
@@Forrest-ml8ti it’s not an opinion it’s fact
luka doncic careeer stats. 363 games played 10,211 points fg 46% 3p 34%.
Trae young 386 games played 9,908points fg 43% 3p 35%
trae has played 23 more games but luka still has scored 300 more points. and on better shooting efficiency. their 3 point % is similar but luka was the 2nd fastest to 1000 3 points. I don’t see trae on that list.
Trae 386 games played 174 wins
Luka 363 games played 202 wins.
Trae young career stats
Regular season 25/9/3
Luka career stats
Regular season 28/8/8
Trae playoff career stats 26/9/3
Luka playoff career stats 32/9/7
luka is a far better player and it’s not close
Is there a trade out there where the Hawks get Jerami Grant, the Blazers get stuff and a third team gets Dejounte Murray? I think that would be a realistic beneficial move for the Hawks.
I got it.
Blazers get: Fournier, Mills, picks from the Knicks
Knicks get: Murray
Hawks get: Grant
Hawks start Young, Bogdan, Grant, Johnson, whichever big
Option still exists to move Capela and/or Hunter in separate moves to shake things up further.
Good video!!
I honestly thought John Collins was gonna shine when he left Atlanta. Im kinda disappointed.
If I’m the Thunder, I try and give up some young role players for Dejonte or a draft pick for Capela to help with rebounding. Or a package for both.
People have to stop buying into these short guys. I grew up on Iverson, but I am older now and realize they don't win in the NBA. You need to be at least average in your position to really lead a team to wins
Tony Parker won
That’s why Trae needs to be sent to San Antonio to pair with Wemby
@@Biscuitsgravy924Tony Parker was an Elite defender and passer and a million times better basketball player. That spurs team was a very very good basketball team. Manu and Tim Duncan are HOFs. Trae is no Tony Parker.
the issue is that Trae is ball dominant and that won't win unless you get megastars around him like lebron had to do...and that's corny...Trae needs to sacrifice his numbers and change his play style...the reason Steph was able to win is because he plays off ball...that allowed his teammates to actually get better instead of just standing around waiting on him to pass them the ball...Trae's numbers will always look good because he ALWAYS has the ball...so on paper he doesn't look like the problem, but he is
That's like saying Jude Bellingham is the problem for Real Madrid even though he's been scoring all the goals for them this season, and now real Madrid need mbappe so Jude can play a more passive cm role
I like Young, but he is the most overated player in the league.
He is good, but not elite good, he doesn't have the potential to be the best player for an NBA champion.
He is a huge problem on defence, and on offence his effiency is around league average.
In today's NBA, you just can't win with such star.
He can get hot, and lead an upset on one or two playoff series, but that is his ceiling.
someone said it best you play defense early in ur career they give you the defensive player label and it sticks
The problem with this team. Is Trae Young being a ceiling lowerer, and quinn snyder being the worst damn coach not named doc rivers
Offense doesn’t win championships and Trae is a horrendous liability on defense. The league is just too talented at PG now Trae is nothing special. (Dame, Haliburton, Fox, J. Murray, Steph, Luka, etc.). A lot of teams are getting absurd production from the PG position. They’re losing because the team has no defensive identity.
When I read the title of the video, I thought you were going to talk about Trae Young's baldness. I didn't know he had more serious problems than the lack of hair.
Defense is their problem and D comes down to effort and coaching. The team has a sort of stoic and cool attitude about them, but haven't really earned it.
I have been a big Hawks fan the last two seasons, last season more so than this one. I usually have an opinion, but right now I'm completely stuck. This team should not be this bad, I have no clue how they should go about fixing it. One thing for sure is I care so much less this season now that John Collins is gone, he was the heart and soul of that team and you needed to find a way to keep him by any means necessary if you wanted to hang on to fans like me.
The hawks try to satisfy Trae by getting good players from bad teams. After they get snatched from their bad team, they don’t know how to play as a second option
If I were Atlanta Hawks GM my first phone call would be to New Orleans Pelicans for Jordan Hawkins.
As a Hawks fan, we're entirely reliant on our opponent playing badly while we heat up. We have no ability to control the game defensively to spark runs. We're good at fast breaks, but that's meaningless when you can't play defense and suck ass protecting your own backboard. We need to make moves and round out the team instead of this gunner heavy shooter mentality that's been failing us for years.
Men if the hawks could get Mikael bridges and Pascal siakam with alongside the roster they have now. They would definitely be an interesting team to watch in the east. Probably won't happen but men their defense would be a lot better.
Unbelievable that fans still blame Simmons for everything. It wasn't a game-ending play...
Oh for sure. It’s more just a microcosm of his awful play in the series.
We could use Simmons over Murry
I want them to insist that Young make himself playable on defense.
Casual fan
the problem is Trae. the games they lose Trae has insanely inefficient shooting splits and combine that with his non existing defence, you will never be a top 3 team in the east
Idk who it would be, but if atl could trade for a good center who plays elite defense it would help them
Maybe they should try asking the Blazers if Ayton is available and offer CC and Hunter. Ayton can create his offense which what they lack with CC and OO. He’s also a decent rebounder and defender if motivated and I think he’s about the same age as Trae and they’re good friends. Trading for him will upgrade there pick and roll/pop. They should also try pursuing Markkanen by using Murray plus fillers.. I know it’s not fantasy basketaball but I wish they do something to improve the team.
I don’t want nothing to do with Ayton. He seems like a drama queen with no heart
Great idea to trade for a first overall pick who has already been cast away by multiple teams trying to win now. Ur a genius
Ayton missed a game because of the ice around his house or something like that. So no
They seriously just need to focus on drafting players that can move off ball and still create there own shot
Trading Luka for Trae will end up as one of the biggest mistakes and not as a win-win trade as we initially believed
I’m upset this doesn’t dive into him being a complete liability on defense. He’s a part of his own problem as well. Trae Young will always be an exciting player with great counting stats; but he’s also extremely inefficient most nights from the field. I’ve said this since they got him, the Hawks will always just be fun to watch. That is it. There is no big time winning coming to this franchise. Even the best players who we may say “plays no defense” at some point begin to get better on that side of the ball. I think he’s one of the truest points in the league, but because he’s a complete liability on the defensive side of the ball, it’ll always just be first round exits but a ton of highlights during the season. This is the one thing no one wants to talk about with Trae Young. People will immediately run to the front office; when all they’ve done is gravitate towards their star and actually get him help (grabbing Murray, Saddiq Bey, etc.), they’ve drafted well (Johnson, Hunter, etc.), good FA signings, etc. they’re just not a winner. Some teams just won’t ever see the promise land and they’re one of them. He’s not a floor raiser, it’s as simple as that.
Knew Trea and D.M. Wouldn’t work both needs the ball in their hands to ran the offense even tho D.M. Is a two player he just doesn’t fit with Trea and the Hawks season still early anything can happen they still got a reading star in Jalen Johnson
Spurs should ask the Hawks for Jalen Johnson for the picks the hawks owe them. He would fit nicely next to Wemby
Trae to the spurs would be better
Nope, the spurs have their 2025 1st round pick , 2026 pick swap and 2027 1st round pick that is too much to give for player like jalen johnson
We need a video like this but for the pistons
Check out my most recent upload before this! It’s on Cade and the pistons :)
The trae young problem is he’s a undersized guy who chucks up a bunch of shots at a low fg
Trading Huerter still boggles my mind that dude is the guy they need right now.
Agree
Great video. Hawks should embrace the "Less is more" theory
Thanks Peewee. You the best
Shop bogi, Clint and dejounte with trailblazer, Pels and/or nets. Anfernee, Scoot or sharpe is going to hit the market can’t keep all (possibly will be sharpe) and make him your 6th man with trading dejounte and Clint and try to get draft capital aswell. Possibly will have to take Ayton contract but with getting rid of those contracts you can afford to waive ayton if you could possibly get a high draft pick. Trade Bogi for a guy like herb to shake up the identity and replace Clint either with the draft, with a player like Alex sarr or trade the pick for a decent and a late pick
Jaxon is right to move but i don't totally agree. Trae Young does need another offense helping piece in Murry. Hunter still fits because again his shooting adds to the offense and it should be rewarded with pt. Let's all learn from the mistakes because the trading all happen and there wasn't enough offense help outside of the post for Trae leading to his big injuries and many of them. I like your take though. Thanks for the breakdown.
ATL's #1 was *nice* in that OKC game.
Still can't remember his name
Jalen Johnson
Getting rid of Luka for trae might be the worst fumble since kobe being traded on draft night
I disagree with bogi not being part of the problem. Bogi has too much of a green light, watching him miss poor shot after poor shot gets tiresome in the 4th quarter
on behalf of Hawks fans, thank you for making this. you nailed it. -Hunter need GO -DJ may need to go to since he doesn't fit well -Capela needs to go because he can't shoot around the rim and Trae needs a lob threat -Trae and JJ are not the problem and need to be built around
For me, Trae needs targets. A better lob threat, 3-D guys and a defensive system that can mask his defensive liabilities, and a second in command that can take some of the defensive attention away from him
That’s way too much for an inefficient shot chucking guard. Better to trade young
@@mrawesome7175 I think of it as the Hawks' last dice roll. I doubt they'll project giving up on Trae this early without trying one more thing for him though
Still the Plus/Minus is still way better with Trae on the court if i remember correctly
As a Hawks fan,im generally tired of us losing games,we're 14-20,[and lets be honest,we're losing to Philly]we have to trade Dejounte [nd others]for Paskal Siakam,or more defensive key players,u just can't put an all-star guard next to Trae,what Trae needs is a 2way forward[like Paskal]
The root of all the problems of the hawks is trading a generational talent in Luka for Trae.
I'm glad they did😂😂
They should have
Well trae took the Hawks to the Ecf before Luka went to wcf and neither one has won a championship
@@Forrest-ml8ti Do you honestly think there is still a debate on who's the better player between the two of them? And be honest ;)
Also beating the Knicks and a Philly squad that imploded from the inside is not really all that impressive. The Mavs played proper playoffs teams at least. The Suns won 64 games the that year.
Just like the root of all problems for the Suns is drafting Ayton instead of Luka. The things he and Booker would have done together.
Landry fields is their GM….He USED to play for the Knicks……..
What are you talking about ???? Basketball is a team sport, the reason why trae has numbers is the same reason the team isn’t a contender.... Westbrook.... what’s the difference between jokic, lebron, curry vs trae, Durant, embiib ? Why are some winners and some not ? THE REST OF THE TEAM..... it’s a team sport. Lebron has dragged some bad teams to the finals.... and lost, when they won THEY won. Curry by himself... lebron on Lakers.... look at the teams who win and they have 1 dominant player 25-30 points , 1 consistent player 20-25 points, rotating players that put up 15-20 , and then a deep bench that doesn’t lose ground.... that’s how you win.
Jaylen Johnson cold 🥶
I think it’s crazy that no one puts any blame on trae for hawks woes. Trae had an abysmal start to the season. He literally had the second worst fg percentage out of the top 50 scorers in the league in the first 15 games. Don’t you think that led to hawks bad start?Trae does have stretches of being efficient but then he will eventually shoot you out of games and is terrible on defence. I can name 20 players better than trae to lead a franchise. This dude is just way too small to be first option player.
Exactly. Trae is suppose to be a star but doesn't make an impact. So many bad decisions, no defense. And no accountability
38% of 9 attempts might ne shy they're losing...
But just tell me "3 is more thsn 2" while he chucks yet another half court brick early in the shot clock that deflates his teammates...
38% =/= sniper.
And don't tell me about "1pt more" if you're missing SIXTY of your attempts!!
38% is pretty efficient from 3. It’s above league average. 40+ is elite. I think at that volume, 38% is impressive
We have all played with chuckers like Trae. I remember saying to myself when people shot like Trae and thinking “ fuck how can I get a rebound on a shot like that”.
Good video man. Thanks for not being one of the trae haters that hate on him cuz it’s the popular narrative. One thing I hope the hawks do is treat bogi as untouchable alongside trae and Jalen. Watching almost every hawks game the past few years bogi has been here I can assure you we wouldn’t be shit without him. He is crucial to our team. Unfortunately he’s probly the most valuable trade asset we have behind Murray and teams want him. hopefully they are careful with him though
Hawks will never be a championship level squad with Trae as their best player.
Dude still using PPG as a measure of anything 😮
Yup like I didn’t use defensive rating and epm later in the video lmao.
Doesn't matter you can anything big with Trae as a number one. He doesn't try at all on defense scoring comes and goes.
i thought murray would fit well next to trae. murray covers traes weaknesses and trae covers murrays weaknesses. its so weird. trae cant create offense all of the time ykow
The plan should be to stop building around Trae! Trade him for the assets and hit reset
The hawks defense is atrocious
It’s so bad lol
Sorry to say, but if Atlanta really wants to compete, they need to trade Trae and get picks. Dejounte really isn´t the one to blame
trade Trae? what are you on? he is too young to trade, what are you hoping to get for him? Michael Jordan and Shaq? Trae is as good as they get. Its obvious they lack size and defence. Murray out, Bogi in starting 5 and hope you get something like anuoby for Murray and tank this season and draft for big.
Yes please trade Trae to a team that will know how to build around him and not waste his talent
@@karl6458 the Hawks wouldn‘t even get a jaylen Brown. What do you guys think they would get. Trae won‘t get you through the east Playoffs, not against any healthy teams. Led by Trae Young, they will compete for the Play-in, not more.
Don‘t get me wrong, he plays obviously a great season. But they are not even at .50. What now? Another Coach again? Trade even more picks? I am sorry to say, right now, Traes Stats are just empty on a bad Team.
@@nts4906trade to Spurs. Wemby needs Trae on offense and Trae needs wemby on defense
@@andreasthoben4645 what makes you think that?
Can’t believe they have up 3 first. Just awful management
I don't know WHO thought that Murray was going to be great with Trae Young. He's essentially a slightly bigger Trae young who needs the ball. Trae's already poor off ball, so having them together on the floor just does not work!
I’m an Atl native and hawks fan but I don’t believe Trae you can lead any team to a championship
The idea that Trae Young is some transcendent star is absurd. Man is just less efficient James Harden, I have gone back and check stats each year and nothing changes. His 3pt% is around average (has only hit 38% once in 21/22 and even that was only 3% above league average), his effective field goal % is ALWAYS below league average (and that’s a stat that takes into account everything EXCEPT FREE THROWS) then with True Shooting (the stat that does take FT into account he is at or slightly above league average (and even that is not great as his last 2 seasons he has been lower than league average). Now what this says is that Trae is INCREDIBLY reliant on free throws, it is also telling that when you look at league adjusted metrics he isn’t adding much offensive value outside of the free throws (negative field goals as a matter of fact outside of the 21/22 season) and that’s not even getting into how he is a defensive liability and more recently how his overall BPM (box plus minus and win shares dropped through the floor even though there was minimal if any change to the roster meaning he wasn’t all of sudden playing with worse players that would negatively impact his box plus minus.
Never said he was a transcendent superstar. But I would argue most people try to discredit him from even being a star or top 15 player in this league.
He will never be on the level of the Luka’s of the world.
Can he win in the NBA are the promotion and a secondary 1B alongside him? I believe he can. That 1B is just going to have to be VERY good.
But most players have that.
Ant has KAT and Rudy.
Luka has Kyrie.
Shai has Chet/JDub.
Kawhi has PG/Harden.
Embiid has Maxey.
Jokic has Murray.
Giannis has Dame.
Book has KD/Beal.
Me idol Trae young
Maybe Knicks get Murray for Evan Fournier, Miles McBride and a couple of first round picks.
Trae struggling in the Heat series made the Hawks desperate for a second ball handler since the Heat completely trapped Trae and stagnated the Hawks entire offense. Fortunately for the Spurs, Dejounte had a good season and was named as a filler All-star and they were able to sell insanely high on him. Now after the dissapointing past few seasons the Hawks are in a very concerning situation. They don't have their draft capital to improve, they are stuck with Murray on a newly signed extension and if they sell him it would be for pennies on the dollar.
I see Hawks fans not even entertain the idea of trading Trae Young, and that's completely understandable. He's the franchise guy. However, there's very little the Hawks can do to improve their team without any assets and the road they are currently on, it's looking like it will get very ugly very fast and they will be forced to sell on Young with no more leeway. Rebuilding sucks but it feels even worse when you realize that you should've done it years ago before it got too late.
What the Murray was averaging a near triple double with the spurs!?!.
This trade has never made sense since the day it happened the Primary ball handler Hass to be Trae Young not Dejounte Murray. It’s two point guards it doesn’t work not only does it not work. The capital of gave up for Dejounte Murray is crazy. I don’t know why they just didn’t go out and try to get a wing that could score and shoot three pointers. That’s what they needed.
Imagine the Hawks management traded Luka Doncic for Trae Young!🤣
How bout the Suns' front office? And the Kings'..
I’m a hawks fan, and I still like that trade just for vibes
Trae needs a star bigman and shooters/defenders around him. I also don’t think you win a chip with him as your best player
Hear me out Draymond for Capela - kuminga takes the next step in his career and Draymond is the defensive piece the hawks need
Offense is good. But defense is we’re you keep other team from scoring.
Maybe Trae and Murray don’t play well together, but have you seen the last two games? Especially the game with no Trae against the heat.
Yes I made this video around 2 weeks ago. Murray is a talented player, but he doesn’t fit on this hawks team.
Hopefully a contender can give the hawks what he’s worth for them!
@@hardwood_yt As a hawks fan, I’m kind of hoping they move Trae and keep Murray. They’re an all around better defensive team with Murray starting at the point.
3:41 Landry Fields???
I wish the Bucks took Tray instead of Dame. It would have been good to see if he can go anywhere, pretty much ignored at the hawks.
Trae n Murray dont mesh well together. You see it in the play and numbers. When they are both on the court, the offense is less capable then when one is on the floor and the other is on the bench