The Fake Redemption of Cyberpunk 2077
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0:00 The Story of Cyberpunk
0:59 Raid: Shadow Legends
3:31 CD Projekt Red
5:28 The Hype Train Takes Off
9:36 The Big Lie
12:05 Crunch
14:09 Catching A Bug
16:48 All Gas No Brakes
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Three cardinal rules for enjoying modern gaming
1. Avoid the hype, previews and launch week circus - buy a game if it's good 6 months after launch. Launch day is the first date of the public preview.
2. Don't judge a studio on it's history, a studio is only as good as the people and management making it's latest game
3. No publisher ever is going to be your friend or a nice guy - give them the sale they crave if they have done right by you
for me, personally, Fromsoftware gets a pass
May I add , buy a physical copy only😅
i judged cdpr's (in)ability to release cp2077 properly thanks to the release state of the witcher 3, and i was correct
Rule 2 is increasingly important because so many studios traffic in names that are basically meaningless now because so many people behind the scenes have changed. BioWare functionally does not exist anymore after EA got to it. So if you were a fan of 2000s BioWare games, you aren’t getting that same experience from the company in the present
Yeah the only company I'd consider reliable is FromSoft & even then I don't preorder
"Many will just forget". Which was just how people forgot about how Witcher 3 actually had a disastrous launch too, yet today the gaming community completely forgets about it.
What? I pre-ordered The Witcher 3 and played it on release day and never ran into any major bugs.
@gabriel101x this is my experience with Cyberpunk and the Witcher 3 as well. Both ran perfectly on launch for me...
As much as I love the game, the reality is that people are willing to ignore bugs as long as the product underneath is fun and dev know this.
The reason people don't let go of 77 is because so much happened in the process of it happening, there is a lot of room to make compelling narratives, end of the day it's simply good gossip, the company that fell from grace, the beloved devs that got greedy, the video game industry crumbling under the pressure of bloated expectations of return of investment, the overly pampered gamers that want everything all at once, the overly exploited video game consumers that are being sold demos in hopes of developing a game with the consumer's money, and so on, and so on.
@@gabriel101x obviously it was nowhere near as bad as cp2077, it didn't run as bad, but there was a lot of bugs, not that game breaking tho
the launch doesnt matter if the game goes on the be one of the best in history
When I first played 77 I had a genuinely amazing experience. Then I had to realize my genuinely amazing experience was nowhere near intended. See, I got a ton of visual glitches. But only when I got to the moment of having, In Character, glitched out eyes. Its the part where you go see Vik to get new ones. I had people popping in and out of existence and all sorts of visual bullshit going on as I'm walking down the alley to the occult shop, listening to a street preacher rant about how my eyes are not showing me true reality and how the corps are taking control of me through my eyes. I thought it was diagetic. Instead it was my graphics card struggling to deal with being fed spaghetti code.
Yeah, I enjoyed played CP2077. But it was a broken unfinished fucking wreck of a game. It was like playing something Early Access
not gonna lie, that sounds fucking sick as an intended feature. maybe eventually in a better game... :')
@@3possumsinatrenchcoat if a game did that shit to me on purpose I'd sing its praises.
So, in reality it “wasn’t a bug, it was a feature” just by dumb luck.
@@DrBovdin a feature of spaghetti code
I do think you could have mentioned how CDPR is increasing in size and dedicating a whole branch the same size as the original company solely to the Cyberpunk IP, as well as them shifting away from their in-house engine to the unreal engine. The message about skepticism towards their promises and marketing is quite a good thing to remember in the future. Personally hope they focus on doing what they originally promised for the first game for Orion when it comes out however many years down the line.
Good point. I would've talked more about what CDPR is doing going forward (they also changed CEOs and lead developers I believe), but didn't fit it in the narrative well enough to include in the video.
@@bad1080 That's not true, they've added many new DLC features such as new missions, new weapons, new apartments, new vehicles, and new outfits.
@@Lextorias I wanna make the point that despite Cyberpunks problems I played it on PC AT RELEASE and loved it, I was so hyped for this game I was one of those people out there defending them from all the hate, because the drama was real people either loved it or hated it, no in between.
@@Hyde1415 i think they specifically mean expansions on the game.
@@Spit1990 they announced not long ago that a dlc expansion is coming next year.
that edgerunners song still hits omg
as someone who laughed at the game before playing it, watching edgerunners in october 2023 and playing the game a month after, whenever i hear "I really wanna stay at your house" in the radio i have to shut it off because it hurts. im glad i aint the only one
@@Starkill12345 i feel all the hope and positivity drain out of me as soon as i hear the song start on the radio. i love it.
thats why i always turn the radio off or walk by foot @@Luke-fb6ee
@@Starkill12345 you have to overcome your edgerunners trauma so you can fully enjoy that banger again 💯
@@erikosburn I have already overcame it, but it still does hit a lot
I was already a couple years into a “no pre order” phase when this was announced, due to multiple games letting me down. I figured, CDPR was the ONE company I’d be able to take the chance on. The release of Cyberpunk is inexcusable, I really appreciate all the research you did because it was generally entirely new information to me. I haven’t gone back to the game yet, maybe in the next year or so. But the anime definitely deserves all the love and recognition it got. Even as a stand alone piece of entertainment, it genuinely was top tier.
Same. Though I didn't preorder, I was surprised that people did. I thought everyone was already on that no more pre-order wagon.
@@Patrickdaawsome Got guys like me who after cyberpunk first released, then pre-ordered battlefield 2042 despite the triple aaa gaming industry showing us not to do that… I think I need professional help…. I pre-ordered call of duty just the other day…
Same here man even bought a new desktop just to play coz I pre ordered CP2077 as well as Vampires Masquerade 2. Guess they got me good this time. Never again tho, I'm going all the way from no pre-order to I'm gonna buy it when it's patch 2.0 or something. Basically wait till its mostly patched lol
I personally would feel I'm disrespecting totalbiscuit's memory if i ever preordered. I refuse to on that reason alone.
@@Judgementkiryu yes, you do sound like you need help. Accepting the problem is step 1
"Never trust anyone that is trying to sell you something or might personally benefit from you believing them."
It's as basic as that.
Great video as always, keep them coming.
The casual delivery of this cynical tenet, followed by a generic "amazing video as always" compliment, makes the back of my mouth feel dry
says the guy trusting this youtuber who directly benefits from him hahahahaha
That's why I'm a socialist
Don't trust anyone whos trying to sell you something.
Trust guy on Internet who's selling his idea to you.
Come on man, be a little more self aware.
Literally anyone selling anything benefits from you believing them lol
Yea, people are already forgetting. Most content creators are already spinning it that Cyberpunk 2077 was unjustly criticized and the backlash was blown out of proportion. I am sure when Phantom Liberty drops the narrative will have completely changed.
I wonder if part of this though is just the inevitable reality that people who played the game at launch and experienced its initial hype cycle are an increasingly minority. New people who bought Cyberpunk after Edgerunners or Phantom Liberty are going to have no concept of pre-release hype and they aren’t going to face those performance issues. The Last-Gen versions of this game might be even more of an afterthought now too with more people with PS5s XSXs now than in 2020. It will only get easier to memory hole what it was like to play CP2077 on a PS4 in December 2020.
You’re right. Now in their eyes cyberpunk is completely redeemed
This Game is not Bad actually, just mediocre but many people love to be un denial, because that would imply CDProject Red cannot be trusted anymore. Pro-Tip: Don't trust in any companies, the very concept of "Cyberpunk" as a whole is built on that premise.
Yeah, it is just mediocre - good
I had some great times with it, even when it was a bit of a mess, but I wouldn't really recommend it like I do other games. It's definitely a game some will really like and some will just not.
I really enjoy the game.
@@grafGAMES And that is perfectly fine, just because a Game is Bad or mediocre doesn't mean You can't enjoy it, if you like it that's ok, but that doesn''t make it magically a Masterpiece man.
@@andrewvazquez9557 Doesn't really make it bad or mediocre either. In fact this hyperbolic obnoxious attitude that X media is a "Master Piece" has become way to pervasive.
Its internet dialect a badge people put on things they like it's all bloated. Something can be seen as universal liked or understood doesn't mean much.
Dark Souls is this revelation in gaming that every player is expected to kneel over and kiss to show homage
But I don't think it's a masterpiece
But ...I'm also not going to tear something down just to prop up Cyberpunk or any franchise.
Which is a shame that this the the pervasive attitude towards entertainment.
As someone who just buys games if they seem cool instead following their development, it’s crazy how much goes on behind the scenes to go from development studio to a disc in your console. What an interesting analysis.
I love how this essentially repeated itself with starfield. The big marketing campaign, overpromising, underdelivering.
As a fool that play Bethesda games since ever I never understand how people embarked on the hype trainwreck called Starfield.
When the first trailer was released I've said to myself "on the best scenario this crap will be a No Man's Fallout without things that made NMS and Fallout good games".
Didn't bother to watch reviews until CZcams flooded me.
to be honest i think Starfield is a totally different type of topic since our lord and savior Gab... Tod Howard already fooled us 2 times so if you actually thought Starfield would be any different then fo4/76 and if we brutally honest even Skyrim i think you deserved it. I know it may hurt but the truth will hurt.
And i know fo76 defiantly improved alot since release and i know its a taste thing but for my taste Cyperpunk just was a unfinished mess but Starfield just feels so outdated and while Microsoft probably will spend the buck on it i just dont see them really fixing the core issues since i think they exist because of tech debt.
Which is kinda funny when you realize that Bethesda porking the poodle has been the easiest prediction of events ever since the first time they released skyrim
Think the main difference between Starfield and Cyberpunk2077 is that, with Cyberpunk, from the get-go, if you could play the game (...which I was lucky to be able to, I literally had zero game-breaking bugs on my system from day 1, somehow) you had at least the shadow of a good game in it. Like, there genuinely were things to like about it, and when it held together, you kinda got lost in it more the longer you played. Hell, I am pretty sure that a not so insignificant amount of my playtime was just me driving around on a bike from one end of the map the other, purposefully taking the furthest apart missions just because I genuinely enjoy... well, enjoying the world.
Starfield, meanwhile, tries to woo you at the start with all it has, but, the longer you play, the less it becomes... hell, it reminded me, at points, of a less interesting, more shallow Freelancer... seriously, Freelancer is a better time than Starfield - and the story in the end is... pointless? And not in an artsy way where the pointlessness IS the point, but, just pointless drivel.
Except there wasn't a large marketing campaign (Least nowhere near the scale of CP77), they didn't promise a single thing that wasn't in the game at launch, literally the smoothest release the devs ever had and the underdelivery is 100% subjective.
its disingenuous to even make a comparison
You're actually one of the few CZcamsrs who's videos i watch from start to finish regardless of the video length cuz they're just THAT good
Why do you even start watching videos that are not good? Genuine question
@@DartNoobo how do you know it isn't good until you give it a chance?
@@DartNoobo how am i supposed to know if they're good or not?
This question doesn’t make sense
@@redstar397 his statement implies that there are CZcamsrs whom he watches, but not to the end. Why even watch videos you are not interested in?
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Usually i fast-forward. But for the bro I'll ⌚️
I still play this game almost exclusively
Yeah i still don't know how people can be okay with this i guess consumers dont care aslong as they consume
I love cyberpunk 2077, but its undeniable that people should HEED ITS FUCKING MESSAGE
Corporations just want money and money wants whatever the person with the most of it wants.
Man this video was amazing, not just the content of it, but the way you edited it together.
I played the game before a lot of the patches (especially the recent big ones) landed. No doubt it had a ton of issues, but I think there's a good game underneath. I think focusing on the chaos and abuse behind the scenes during development is important, not only to improve working conditions in the industry but to show that these practices hurt games and the companies that choose to use them. I really like your concluding statements, they lied before and there's no reason we should believe things have improved or will improve until we see proof. But man, if they can stick the landing on the sequel that will be such a great story.
I disagree, even bug free it was one of the least ambitious games I have ever played - with games sometimes over 10 years older doing something ti did (or many) better.
The city we purchased deserves a much better game, but we really won't be getting that till a sequel - but I am sure some will use some updates to lie once again.
@@xBINARYGODx This the game is so fucking ass wish we got the og third person game that looked sick like GTA with rpg elements
As long as they don't break the consumer's trust again by selling a buggy mess at full price...
To me that was just a slap on the face of their fans.
Lex, you did a great job putting this video together. Hours of research and editing and the final product is engaging from start to finish. No matter what the views are, your videos are top notch imo.
I love your case study type of videos . Every time I start to watch your video I finish it completely, even if I take breaks here and there. The way you comeup with script , I think it is quite amazing. Because like most other people I don,t like to watch long videos because my attention span is small. But some how (with your skills) you manage to hold my attention span for so long time which is very impressive to me.
YES, FINALLY PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS PROBLEM, THANK YOU
I am very torn about the Cyberpunk "redemption". On one hand - the game had a good story to tell, and there was a lot of work put into the world and the soundtrack of the game, which, some people have found so enjoyable and loved those parts of the game, that they were ready to ignore all the technical issues, and I tend to favor the 'ugly duck' stories about games. Each was made by a lot of people, who put so much effort into making it a reality (especially when the company loves their crunch practise and bleeding staff dry), this should be respected and there Will be aspects that you can enjoy from any experience.
HOWEVER
Cyberpunk was sold as a lie. The fact that the marketing campaign was able to make an Unfinished and Unreleased product sucessfull even before launch is atrocious. The fact that said launch was a technical disaster, and downright unplayable on console is unaccaptable. These are all very valid reasons to hate on CDPR as a company.
The fact that a good anime can 'redeem' Cyberpunk as a game, an experience, a product, is Not the lesson that should be learned from this. Publishers, companies and other big money men should Not learn the lesson that you can promise a lot through marketing, make the circumstances of development hell and then just buy good rep for an unfinished product with some money to anime studios.
I am glad Cyberpunk have found it`s audience, and there are people who love this game, the tabletop and the anime. But this story should Not be one of any Redeption, because otherwise this - unfinished, untested, unplayable, will be the only types of AAAA games we will receive in the future.
P.S. Congrats on your first sponsor! It was a genuinly fun bit in the video, not many content creator can manage that! Thank you for the quality of your videos and the opinion that should be heard
There even are figures of V using akimbo pistols like Jaquito yet you can't do that ingame.
CDPR didn't abandon the game and released an anime to "hype" it. The game is currently at the point where it should have been at release.
They pulled a "No Man's Sky" and fixed it. I don't think a game in existence could ride a 1 month wave just off of one anime.
@@Aeikon True, and developers should be praised for that! Admitting your mistakes and making an effort to fix them is good. The problem with this, however, lies with the publishers. No Man's Sky was made by a small studio with big ambitions and promises, which in the end, made them buckle under the weight.
CDPR is not a small studio, and they have big publisher and investor money behind them. Big Money Men TM operate on a very simple program - if it brings money, repeat the process.
It is wonderful that Cyberpunk has found it's audience and fanbase, there are things to love about this game. However, the Big Money Men will learn all the worst lessons from this: that they can release an unfinished product, they can have no quality control, they can bleed their developers dry, be Financially Successful on preorders alone
Get Away with all of that
if they throw enough money on a marketing campaign, and at an animation studio to make an anime after disastrous release
@@prototypelq8574 Yeah, I agree with you there. So far, two companies have shown that you can "redeem" a game in the public eyes.
What does this show big publishers? Well, that they can release a overhyped but horribly broken game as long as they work hard on fixing it later.
It is a dangerous slope that shouldn't become the norm and hopefully doesn't become the norm.
@@Aeikon Honestly, developers should have learned from Bioware, who have thoroughly messed up the development of both DA: Inquisition, and ME:Andromeda. Both games came out alright, in the end (Inquisition much better), but the troublesome development should have been a huge red flag for everyone in the industry. Evidently, it wasn't.
I love how thought out your videos are and how every piece of information you present is all completely relevant to the story and the point your trying to convey and all that effort realy pays off right at the end with your perfect conclusion
Well done Lex, you've created a very comprehensive vid that helped me understand the whole situation far more than any 1h+ vid I've watched covering the game!
Your channel has become one of my favorites. Absolute much watch on every video. Just good vibes and good topics. I'm glad you compared it to Far Cry because I think it's a nice mix of that and Grand Theft Auto. I think of it as my favorite Far Cry game lol. As a Ps4, eventual PS5 player, I always held a soft spot and am glad it's doing better. It's not an amazing game, but it sure is a great one now. Great video once again.
great is better than amazing
Liked and subscribed for the combination of that last line about “promising the moon” and the fade-in of “I Really Want to Stay at Your House.” Extraordinarily clever, A+
This game's whole development and release story is terribly fascinating, and I'm glad to see that this video is able to share even more details about it.
As always, incredibly well-researched and edited.
I was one of those CDPR hype bois befoer the launch, I thought they just couldn't miss (didn't preorder tho). On launch night I read a lot of disappointing player reports and it killed my excitement for the game completely. After watching Edgerunners, I'm hesitantly interested again but don't want to reward their corpo greed by buying it now. I'll wait and see if they ever catch up to their initial promises, hoping for a No Man's Sky turnaround.
PS: Great video essay as always Lex
You should still buy if your still interested, its not broken anymore just rusty. And any glitches are more funny than they are annoying.
Damn this video and all the comments seem pretty negative, I'm curious to see why that is- Oh it was before Phantom Liberty I see
can't wait for the Fallout 76 anime
The Fallout live action Amazon Prime series is coming out this year I think lmao
@@Lextorias oh my GOD
F76 makes money from the whales. They don't need to do a PR campaign, because they don't care that the game is shit.
Well…
It did it’s work 😂
Valuable take. And absolutely important to keep in mind. Yes we're all in a renewed honey-moon-phase with CDPR, but, as consumers its imperative that we maintain some degree of objectivity.
Great video. Muchos Gracias choom.
Fantastic video, as somebody that's looked into this topic a lot you still managed to put a fresh perspective on it as always :0
I can't imagine how long this video took to make. Fantastic work on the video and the script. Your delivery made this a great watch.
Excellent channel, found it a few days ago and immediately subscribed. Appreciate the lack of cursing, have little kids running around and while they're definitely not going to sit and watch something about Cyberpunk, they can probably hear it. I know I sound old, but from a not-really-that-old-of-a-gamer, thanks. Keep it up, even if I have 0 desire to try Cyberpunk again.
I apologize, as I do swear later in the video, and probably will in the future. I might suggest headphones for other videos of mine
@@Lextorias no apologies needed, it’s your channel and you run it how you wish. I’ll use my headphones and keep watching, thanks!
40 minutes of Lextorias and Cyberpunk 2077, Am I in heaven right now?
This is the 3rd video I've watched from you; I watched the Fan Service one, then Waifu, and now this. The amount of information and how you present is excellent.
I pre-ordered Cyberpunk. I played it launch day. Somehow, I did not have all the horrible bugs a lot of people had, I saw some, but nothing as bad as I saw in videos. I found the game enjoyable, though disjointed at times. But I've done 1 and 1/2 replays with. Skyrim keeps calling me back in somehow. I look forward to Starfield. I hope it is not all hype. I also remember the launch of No Man's Sky and that nearly killed me on pre-orders. I went many game cycles ignoring games for weeks to months after release because I couldn't trust the companies. I'm rambling. Keep up the good work!
My bf works for a AAA company as a lead engineer (won’t say which for privacy) but he says QA is incompetent across the board. What happened to CDPR is normal and expected 😞
Also want to add the game actually is very good now. I waited until pretty recently to play it although my bf did play it on launch.. I enjoyed it a lot. No bugs that we could notice on ps5
@@samtron5000 game?
“Oh yes, my husband owns a company, he says the workers are the reason it’s going bankrupt 😞”.
Same energy tbh. Although I admit today’s biggest issue among people is figuring out Responsibility.
Games like 2077 and plenty of others are why i refuse to get on any hype train anymore
There has been SOOO many games even in the last few years that prove why hype culture is such a dangerous double edged sword
Cyberpunk, NMS, The Outer Worlds, Starfield, SwordShield, the list grows with every month. And CDPR sadly is the best example of how *NO* company is *ever* above hesitancy or scrutiny
Judge a game on what is RELEASED, NOT on what mock up trailers make one think *might* be in it on release
Fallout 4 was my first real wake up call and is why i'm incredibly picky about what games i preorder, Cyberpunk was so close to doing it but i held back and now i deeply enjoy post-2.1 Cyberpunk with mods
@triplehelix3207 the sad thing is mods shouldn't be what makes a game great. They should be what elevates them. If a person needs like 20 mods to make a game good, then the game itself fails in several regards and even someone like myself hates saying that
@@roonkolos I completely agree and vanilla is just fine
Stop right there. How could you not mention the shitstorm that was Fallout 76.
Exactly. People who say the game was always a masterpiece and never was a bad just weren't there day one after waiting years. I can say Cyberpunk now is a good game, but that's it. It's just "good", when it should have been a masterpiece on the level of RDR2. People say the game wasn't bad simply didn't experience:
-10 FPS if too much was on screen
-Constant crashes
-Shit driving mechanics
-Falling of the map in the same street
-Too many items corrupting your save
-Backgrounds being useless
-A story that plays on the urgency of your disease and you have to have find a cure of possible while also making side-quests about a talking vending machine, making it very tone deaf
-0 customization on your characters, cars or apartment
-developers jerking off themselves on Twitter saying "This side quest was so good it made me cry." and "I have save file of over 175h and I'm not even half done!"
-the constant lies saying the game was ready and no more delays just to be delayed right on the next day
-the crunch that fucked people
-wasting more money and time on marketing than the actual game
-the constant visual glitches
-promised refunds without consulting retailers so a lot of people that tried to refund it couldn't
-it was so bad that Sony pulled it out of the store. Never saw that happen before
-so much more
The game has it's redeeming qualities like the art style is amazing, the music is phenomenal and the characters feel like real people and are tons of fun to hang around with but we simply can't forget what happened because of a good anime or because CDPR made a good game before. If this was EA or Ubisoft, no one would give them any breathing room and CDPR shouldn't be treated differently.
Prefect timing, I was having a rough day and this was just the cure. Great work man it was super funny!
This was an amazing video essay dude! Thanks for putting all these words into an easily digestible video. Keep up the amazing work :)
Man, my experience with cyberpunk has always made me feel so disconnected from the discourse around it. I played it at launch on a 5 year old PC rocking a r9 390 and an i5-4690. I had almost zero bugs and the performance was pretty much exactly what I would've expected it to be on a (by then) 5 year old PC. If anything, I was positively surprised how close I came to 50 or even 60 fps despite not running it on the lowest settings. And despite being hyped for that game I didn't really watch any of the trailers or events so I couldn't miss any Features that I simply didn't know I should be missing.
In other words, I got to play something much closer to what people are able to play now rather than what I kept hearing about around release (and I'm talking about the PC version, the ps4/xb1 versions are an entirely different (horror) Story).
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that CD project Red didn't deserve the backlash they got just because I ended up having a pretty good time with the game at release. I'm just saying that it was a bit annoying that there was so little room for discourse like that because the overall narrative of the launch being an absolute failure was so overpowering. And I think that's part of the reason why the current discourse seems to have shifted so abruptly yet again. like a backlash to the backlash kinda thing *including* a "it was actually always good" narrative that -despite of my subjective experience- we all know to be complicated at best.
Either way, I just wrote this long-ass comment for the engagement, shout out to anyone who actually red all of it
There is no line more annoying and pointless than "worked fine for me"
Good for you, doesn't change the fact that the majority had an abysmal performance.
Also it pisses me off how quickly gamers are willing to forgive the face that they were straight up sold a lie.
While Cyberpunk has one of the best stories, world building and characters in recent years it is a prime example not to be tricked by big corpos no matter how much you loved past projects.
True. While i am a Cyberpunk enjoyer since day 1, i guess i got lucky. My old PC was able to get pretty stable 60-ish fps and i had no game-breaking bugs to deal with.
So while i understand the issue with pre-ordering and getting shafted in the process, in my purely fanboy view, the game was OK and got a lot better in time. Not many games of this scale and style, so i take what i can get... since Bethesda sh.t the bed with Starfield (i torrented it and it was on my PC for less than a week).
Hey man, I'm going through your backlog and just got to this video and wanted to say this is one of the better post-mortems for Cyberpunk I've seen. Also, the soundtrack to Edgerunners keeps getting me one iota closer to getting my wife into anime. So, there's that. (On that note, I'll be watching your Bebop and space western videos here soon.) Keep up the good work.
Really nice analysis which as far I can see really much effort from your side.
I appreciate it really much, especially without hands in the pocket :D
I especially hate that CDPR won “best ongoing game” at the gaming awards just for fixing their own broken product.
Thank yoy for putting in that end message to always be apprehensive of how the mistakes of these triple A companies keep getting swept under the rug by consumers, that's the one thing that rubs me the wrong way about the monumental success of Edgerunners and how more and more people seem to have just completely forgotten about the shitshow it was un release and the sheer amount of lies that CDPR has thrown at us. If we let them then they absolutely will do it again, and seems like CDPR has already started to forget their lesson after announcing like 5 games back to back. Like Jesus did they learn absolutely nothing about overpromising and overhyping in the past 3 years?
This is a fair outlook on things, and I will be the first to admit Cyberpunk 2077 is still to this day an unfinished game.
I guess what makes me love it despite that is I think that CDPR did an amazing job with the atmosphere of Night City. When I first played the game it was on my old ps4 and even though it was one of the most broken games I’ve ever played, I enjoyed the experience a whole lot.
One thing I will say though is that the release of Cyberpunk permanently crushed any trust I have for these companies. It was definitely a wake up call.
Anyway, good video man!
But… 30 minutes ago you didn’t even watch the video…
Are you a wizard?
@@JayDayKay Perhaps?
While this has been covered lots of time, I didnt know abything about the "catch a bug" section of the vid. Great job! Overall, quite a solid and just long enough video :)
I watched a lot of the videos on the topic beforehand, since I knew every angle had been covered already, so I just wanted to compile them and be as extensive as possible. If the quantic lab situation was interesting I highly recommend Upper Echelon's video on it that I linked in the description.
@@Lextorias Well congrats, because it shows! And of course I'll make sure to check it out
I dropped CP2077 after 20 hours. Watched Edgerunners. Came back and thoroughly enjoyed it. I really enjoyed the story and the sidestories for random characters are unique enough to me that I explored them. But man, If it wasn't edgerunners idk if I would have given this game another go.
I think that just goes to show that we have still have a tribe mentality and our perception changes depending on what other people are saying.
@@Yodalemos I mean yea the tribe mentality was pretty important in our past as a species. It won't go away in just 1000 or 2000 years
Just goes to show you, dont listen to your favorite CZcamsr.
Sure the game had glitches but it was still one of the best stories there are.
Hell the best mission that made my skin crawl was the couple running for office.
Finding out what the “ones in control” were doing to them. There was nothing stopping it
Ahh, finally a video to watch while I consume my iskender kebab
is there any artoria kebab too?
is there any artoria kebab too?
Okay, between the detailed fact coverage, the jokes mixed throughout that made me smile, and how you want to both see things with the real critical eye and call out their bullshit but also the few positives and hope for the future (but not BLIND hope), I’m going to have to subscribe.
See ya, Space Cowboy.
Man I’m a relatively new subscriber but i gotta say I love your videos they are very high quality and the content is on point
You know, being a newcomer to the game only after 2.0 + PL released, going back to all the bad history is like looking through a curved mirror, just so bizzare and hard to imagine, because with a freshman perspective, the game is genuinely good currently. The story is the strong point (one of few open world games that made me want to exclusively run main story first just because it was interesting), combat is pretty fun, though a bit outta whack when it comes to balance (by max level you are deep in the Terminator/Neo/Hackerman power fantasy) but yeah, it's that. The only couple bugs I encountered were usually traffic freaking out when out of view or a bartender morphing into his bar counter or odd ragdolls or that one where my shotguns started firing slugs (and were considerably more deadly now, heh). And while the whole story had a lot of stink, when I look then towards other recent games that disappointed and continue doing so, CDPR still gets points for not monetizing the shit outta their games like, say, 343 or Bungie.
Oh, and for one thing, no matter how much goodwill I can have for a company, I will never pre-order and hell, the list of devs I will buy games on launch day is very short. Like - From Software and Larian - short
lol I played this on drop on ps5(ps4 version at the time) and it was absolute slog to get through just a complete mess
the problems with cyberpunk wasnt just the performance/bugs before the release of the game they basically advertised it as having an open world the feels as alive as red dead redemtion 2 , having your actions change the world around u with freedom on the lvl of something like baldurs gate 3 and a cooler combat system that what we ended up with they basically told people dont wait for gta 6 this is it but better , cooler , with meaningful choices. the people people who say the game is fixed/it redeemed itself forgot what cdpr said the game would be like and i cannot fathom how some people have the audacity to call this a masterpiece
@@agssilv5919 I guess I just stopped buying into promised hype gravy trains long time ago, so what they promised doesn't matter much do me, what I care is what I actually get at the time I buy it. And what I got in fall/winter 2023 was a pretty enjoyable game
Seeing this after patch 2.2. Huge props to CDPR, it's a pretty crazy comeback story. Cyberpunk 2077 is now one of my favorite games of all time.
Great take and breakdown, loving your videos and hope you keep em' rolling!
I will never be buying a CDPR game. Absolutely despicable company. The only redemption is liquidating the company and splitting the pot between every developer they crushed. They have not learned a thing and they won't change. They are not to be trusted.
My favorite part of youtube is watching people go from joking about having a raid sponsorship to leveling up and actually getting the sponsorship. Good for you homie
no matter what anyone says, songs from edgerunner just fucking slaps...
I'm really happy I get to be at the beginning of this channel's journey. Your content is awesome and I absolutely love it
Also, I got to live to see you stand up, such a historic moment
Love the thought you put into these. Keep it up, man.
as someone who playsTTRPGS like D&D and Fragged Empire, the whole cyberpunk 2077 situation just makes me want to play the origional Cyberpunk TTRPG (which if you didnt know is what 2077 is based upon and the anime takes alot of elements from the ttrpgs systems including the whole cyberpsychosis mechanic)
also a funny side-note the original TTRPG was set in 2013 and the second edition was set in 2020
@@OlShammy the first one is in 1989
@@kinga.t.242 the first edition of cyberpunk was released in 1988 if that's what you're referencing but even a quick look on the cyberpunk wiki would tell you that it's set in 2013
Who is your editor?? That pre-sting was amazing
me :)
@@Lextorias well i'll tell ya, that pre-sting was amazing!! awesome vid briliant watch
Love your editing style & delivery
Love the content man! Awesome way to spend some friday afternoon time after work!
Damn even in an in-depth analysis of the game and its company "I really want to stay at your home" hits right in the feels.
Great video btw Lextorias love your work
As good as Edgerunners is and how the og game has improved a bit since launch (story’s still pretty meh), I think it’s best to acknowledge how it shipped broken and buggy. Fixed later or not, that’s inexcusably bad. The fact that many games now do ship broken or unfinished doesn’t help. You’re basically given a hollow promise that eventually the devs will make it good in exchange for a triple a price tag.
The problem is they fixed the broken-ness of it with the patches. However the core gameplay/game is not even close to what they sold us on and I doubt it ever will be because it's just not what the core ended up being built to be.
the story of the game is far better than the anime one
the core is fantastic this game have an incredible story and main and side missions and characters @@InDeathWeLove
@@kinga.t.242 We'll just have to agree to disagree there.
@@InDeathWeLove I mean mediocre is hard work in a game like cyberpunk the game have an incredible story and characters and main and side missions
Love your videos bro. Keep up the longform content youre a legend!
Sony actually didn't pull the game until AFTER cdpr encouraged people to ask for refunds.
It wasn't related to the performance.
Sony just hates giving refunds so much that they'd rather not sell the game at all.
Sony gave full refunds to everyone who bought the game on PS4, without exception. They pulled it for new purchases after a private conversation with CDPR *before* the apology announcement that encouraged refunds. So it's less likely to be a situation of them hating refunds, and more likely they pulled the game due to not meeting QA standards.
cyberpunk 2077 is a good game, it's atmosphere and gameplay hit as hard as it's graphical beauty, it's writing is really high quality for most of the main story, most of the game design is quite good as well, it has a lot of issues but it also has a lot going for it, i still quote V to this day for what he says anytime they have to transition, he always says "so... what now?" no matter the context he says that and i find it funny to say that during any awkward moment. and even though a joke referencing the worst areas of the game in terms of writing i still remember the rage i felt when i couldn't be the one to shoot dex and how immersed i was in the moments that followed, if cd project red followed through with polishing the game to it's brightest form it could have been better than gta 5 in the public eye, the game likely will never reach the same level of hype and respect it had before it launched but it's still a good game and it's worth your time, sooo many people shit on this game and they have good reason to do so but it's important to remember that few things in life are all bad and this game does not fit in with that small group, when looking into a game it's important to consider what people like just as much as what they don't like, if anything I'd say it's more important to find what people like because of how hard that can be and how long negative things remain in your noggin.
he made it, he got sponsored
Man i love your vids so much, please never stop!!
Amazing video as always bro I learned a lot and congrats on a sponsorship!
The problem is that Cyberpunk 2077 was marketed to be this amazing revolutionary game at it's core. However at launch the core ended up being pretty mediocre and on top of that the execution was just broken with how buggy it was and a ton of unfinished/unimplemented stuff.
Now with all the patches they have managed to take care of a lot of the broken part of that equation, however the core of the game is still not what was promised and I don't think can be fixed since it would require almost starting from scratch again because 2077 just wasn't made to be the game that was promised. It was promised to be an in depth RPG with a highly detailed world, characters and even NPCs while having a GTA style huge open world. It made you think their goal was Deus Ex gameplay and levels of care/detail in a GTA sandbox sizes open world. I suspect this was even their original idea until they realised they didn't have the money, time nor people to ever pull this off. It will never be this and so we end up now that it's not quite as broken just with a pretty mediocre game. It's not awful, it's playable, but it isn't anything groundbreaking.
The first game to fail so hard and redeem itself was No Man's Sky as far as I know, I agree with the others here, Cyberpunk is not bad, just mediocre, nothing incredible to come from it, based on the persons taste it can actually be an awesome and incredible game... just not for me.
I bought this game for my PS4 pro, so I truly don't understand what is this "redemption" that everyone talks about. Don't forget that last gen consoles made almost 50% of the game's initial sales, if not even more. And now CDPR are just abandoning close to 6-7 million of people, because they somehow can't update crowd behaviour on the last gen.
I really don't feel like buying any other game made by this company.
You're so damn good at what you do. Really enjoyed this video, and it really taught me a lot about the development history of the game as well as CDPR as a whole. Keep up the awesome content
I got into it, like really into it, after Edgerunners... and I love it.
I like how everyone just collectively agreed to forget about this game like it was a bad dream
If that was objectively true, it wouldn't be selling more than it did before, but it is. So your statement is cap.
It wasn't a bad dream?
It's been 2 years, stop the hate bandwagon already... it's doing better than it has before with a revived player count AND it's upcoming expansion (be original)
@@LowKiiSavage no
It wasn't a bad dream
Time to wake up, Samurai. We've got a reputation to burn
You leveled up again, this is great!
27:19 - You glitching out for a second made me have to rewatch that part.
Yeah well DLC is out, where is the fake redemption now?
Considering Phantom Liberty launched relatively bug-free, I’d say at least the Cyberpunk IP is safe moving forward. Cyberpunk 2077 was an incredible game I loved even before the patches, the DLC and 2.0 update only made me love it even more. So I can’t wait to see what a sequel will do for it.
my man start getting the dough with dem sponsors, love your videos, keep it up
Studio Trigger has made such a wonderful job that when I heard the song in the outro, I almost forgot what the video was about while goosebumps took over my skin.
I love that show.
I'm on my 5th playthrough. No game had me more emotionally engaged than Witcher 3 and cyberpunk. CDPR's management and investors might be evil, but this team is obviously passionate about both gameplay and storytelling. At the end of the day, I just wanna play great games that don't try to turn me or my kid into gambling addicts. That's getting increasingly rare
If anything, the show reminded me how banger the soundtrack of the game was. I’ve tried going back recently, the games fun. Just wish performance was better and gunplay was less stiff. The sequel could be pretty banging.
Thanks for the video.
Great work as usual.
You know F'd up when even gamestop starts giving out refunds
Discovered your channel yesterday. You do great work! May I suggest checking the settings and midrolls placement on your videos? I think yt is inserting more than you've placed. Several other creators I watch have had this issue. Council of Geeks has a whole video on it, if you want her take.
I will never get over the amount of hype CDPR created themselves vs what they actually released. I know at this point there's a million nuances and things we could talk about, but just in general it's insane what their management did. That tease felt worse than actual blue balls.
I work in software QA, having made it my career for 15 years, and the whole working philosophy of Quantic Lab doing their job is just so wrong on a number of levels. Testing is not supposed to be a bug finding contest based on counts; the most important bugs are those that are the most severe, and have impacts on large areas of the application or game. Software QA is literally the Pareto principle put to work: 80% of bugs come from 20% of the code. Thanks for highlighting this.
As for Cyberpunk 2077 itself: I was never sold on the game the same way I was with The Witcher 3, and at this point I will never buy into it despite enjoying Edgerunners. Not paying for the game is my way of telling CD Projekt Red to eat a lot of humble pie for this fiasco, and maybe dial down their hubris a little.
Classic case of the indirect measurement becoming the goal.
Amazing analysis dude. I had been following Cyberpunk since falling in love with the Witcher 3, and after that launch I haven't thought about CDPR as the same company as the one who released the Witcher 3. Seeing them more as a marketing now is sad to see even if Edgerunners is the best thing I've seen in forever. Keep making great vids!
Great video my dude! Thanks! Really enjoyed it
For anyone that really likes the setting but doesn't want to support CDPR's business practices I'd highly recommend the TTRPG the game is based on which is very fun plus it is very easy to get a hold of all the rules for free if you want to. plus in addition to the core rules being easy to find R. talsorian has all the supplements they have released for it for free
Man the anime really increased the reputation for Cyberpunk overall but the game itself is still kinda trash
the game is better than the anime
i like your angle on things. like youtube essays. thank you for fun content
It's funny how all of this could've been avoided (or at least mitigated) if they released it as an early access release instead of a "full" release. Why? Because Baldur's Gate 3. Seriously, Baldur's Gate 3 went into early access around the same time Cyberpunk 2077 "released" back in 2020 (which was basically an early access release without the disclosure that it was "early access" due to how buggy it was and not fit for launch it was). Being an early access title, BG3's bugs and features weren't criticized as badly because of its "early access" status and Cyberpunk 2077 could've had the same benefit.
I mean, the release dates of both games are basically identical. BG3 entered EA in October 2020. CP2077 "released" in December 2020. BG3's full release was in August 2023 while CP2077's 2.0 update (which is basically the state that the game should've been at release) was in September 2023. Like, the release dates lined up pretty much identically (funnily enough both games are about the main character(s) getting a thing lodged in their head that are slowly killing them and now they must find a way to get it out)
I agree with everything except that the game is amazing in any way. Even without the bugs it's a mediocre game at best.
Beneath all the promises and hype, there is actually a really good game under it all. CD Projekt Red know how to make a gripping story, fun gameplay and a beautiful world. My hype for Cyberpunk as a franchise has never been so high, because I have faith that CDPR will make the game that they truly wanted to make with Orion. The foundations are in place, and I cannot wait for more Cyberpunk!
I played it on last gen and got lucky. Basically experienced no bugs, or none that I noticed, it would only crash after several hours of play, and the only downside was having graphics that were absolutely not to the level you’d get on any other platform. Yet it still captivated me from the start, and now I’m just a fan of the cyberpunk genre as a whole, especially Mike Pondsmith’s work.
Getting myself an upgraded gaming pc soon, and I’ll get to experience the game in a much better state (I’ve already been able to run it on my currently massively outdated setup on medium so a good start) and I’m excited for Phantom Liberty (and kinda Orion), simply just because to me it’s more content in a world I love. It’s unfortunate that the launch wasn’t great though, hopefully this stops being a trend.
So glad I found you so early. Love your content brother
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