Give your camera an Alexa 65 sized sensor - Crazy experiment tutorial 12K footage - Epic Episode #4
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- čas přidán 31. 10. 2018
- Wonder how your Camera would look if it had one of this fancy large format sensors like the Alexa 65? Emulate the large format look of films like "The Revenant", "Rogue One", "The Hateful 8", and "2001" using some cheap gear and the camera you already own.
We are going to do a little math and built a crazy rig that will allow us to reposition a smaller sensor behind a medium format lens in a fashion that will allow us to capture an Alexa65 equivalent sensor size. We will then compare the large sensor against the same framing with the original sensor size.
For your viewing pleasure, the 12K large format composition was downscaled to 8K to fit CZcamss maximum 8K resolution. The rest of this episode was acquired in 5.7K ProRes RAW and upsized to match.
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what a fantastic video. the nerdiest kind of nerdy video for video nerds
HAHAHhahahaha 🤓 thats the nicest compliment! Thank you Obafemi… you know: czcams.com/video/tZVdR19E5mU/video.html
@@MediaDivision it's well deserved! I shouted you out on Twitter and shared the channel link as well. You put out great content and you deserve more eyeballs. Keep up the good work!
@@Phemmy19 Thank you so much Obafemi… I really appreciate your support. Give me 100 years and I catch up 😝
Yes, which attracted my nerdy 🤓 critiques between photo and video definitions 🧐🤪!
@@bthemedia nerd united!
"downsampled to 8K"
not something you hear every day
true… not yet ;-)
now you will after Ursa mini 12k release.
I'm sure in 10 years every smartphone can film 12k.
@Mart if the sensors don’t get significantly larger, there is nothing to gain there, as the pixel size is well below the Nyquist limit at the given tiny entrance pupil. Of course you can “compute” an image with AI and so on until it is kind of what you expect from 12K, but in that case, you probably don’t have to take the image to begin with ;-)
@@MediaDivision Somehow i think that they'll come up with some new system to cram 10x more pixels onto mm2 than the technology can today
There was rolling shutter. Now theres rolling sensor.
rolling rolling rolling..... Rawhide 😜😅😜czcams.com/video/RdR6MN2jKYs/video.html
Was? The rolling shutter is still here in consumer camera. Even a smartphone have a global shutter.
@@smarthalayla6061 he is making a joke... and rolling shutter is state of the art at this time... in Alexas, REDs, Sonys... you name them.
All I see here are rolling heads :p hahahaha
@@VinceCheong That just made no sense
I played this video in 8K and my computer fans cranked to 100% in seconds
yes... 8k is nothing for the faint of heart 😂 hardly worth it, but I just couldn't bare to downres 12K to plain 4K
Yeah my desktop was having none of it
and my PC didn't care at all.
If your name is somewhat accurate, it is no wonder 😂
I have an i7 4790 and I didn't even notice it - it does push 70-80% load on 4 cores (dunno about the HT, didn't check lol) but with a big noctua over it, I don't think the fans really spun up much :')
12k footage but only 3k subs. Here's one more!
Thank you my dear Sir... glad to have you! maybe I upload 200k next time for more subs 😜
I wonder if 6 months ago, you really meant Views, not Subs. But anyway... more views and more subs deserved.
high quality stuff man, hope your channel takes off
thank you Ruby.... yeah.... me toooooo 😜
Wut I was reading your comment and thought like he probably has like 500k or something but no...
@@romu4415 Let's keep dreaming
Media Division indeed but you’ll get there for sure!
@@romu4415 Thanks … very kind of you. I will try for sure
Watched it at 144p. Still looks good. 😁
2p will have great contrast and max 4 glorious colors ;-)))))
This is the difference when a true professional makes a video. Congratulations! Fate in youtube content restored!
You make me blush man… Thank you so much!😊
@@MediaDivision Thank you for this video and your other wonderful content! Cheers!
@@extremeloser No… I thank you , you terribly nice man 😁
My device only plays the HD stream, yet this entire video looks much sharper than other HD content that I watch on CZcams 🤩
I'm absolutely blown away at the simplicity of this. Not only was the footage a thing of beauty, but the method also.
Cheers Elliot.... it's very nice of you to say that
Thanks so much for this. Nothing compares to experiencing a film in an iMax theatre, watching a movie shot in 65mm!
My Pleasure Foxtower… and thank you. Yeah…… isn't LF just super cool.
Wait what only 2.1 k subs
You deserve million
Just keep making videos you'll get there
Sure... and it will only take about 500 years 😜 Thank you Shahmeer, I will keep on trying, and if not, it is still fun to do these.
Yeeeeeea......... at this rate, in 500 years I will control the universe 😝😝 it will flame out soon.... unfortunately
@@MediaDivision 13 hours later 7.3K subs... I think you've been chosen by the algorithm mate! Well deserved. Top tier quality content for sure.
@@ziggycross thank you Ziggy! Very kind of you.... I wonder when this one is going to "flame out". It is interesting to see the YT algorithm in action for sure
He don't need to just keep making videos because he got 8.9k subscribers by just this video.
Are you a new channel? The video quality and content value is crazy good man!
Thanks Tinker, much appreciated... been doing this for a bit over a year but you can't do this quality every week. Trying to do something cool every month and maybe a quicky if I find the time.
Media Division I hear you. Subscribed!
@@tinkersk1 thanks... nice to have you
As an acting student and a huge cinematography fan, it is heartening to see this content on CZcams. Your content is dense and meaty, tackling a lot of terms and ideas in a short amount of time. Thank you very much for making such educational and engaging content.
Thanks a lot Andy!!! That is very motivating to hear. I will try to get better with every video.
In 20 years, 1080p is the new CRT TV and 8K is the new 1080p standard, your videos are gonna be the best way to test new monitors, way before uploading to CZcams in 8K is normalized.
I appreciate the future-proofing.
;-) thats one way to use them.... don't miss our new 16K episode czcams.com/video/oIhCyPaDP6g/video.html
Gorgeous! Love the nerdy talk as well, a great way to ramp up the apetite before the beautiful shot.
Thanks Zipp.... I love to nerd out ;-)
This just popped up on my timeline and am glad it did. Great content man 😎
Well thank you my dear Sir… very glad to have you around and to be mildly entertaining 😁
I see CZcams is finally recommending nice content!! What a video, I wouldn't ever thought of doing something like this
Well thank you my dear Sir… fits nicely between all the cat videos😝
Media Division Lol too many cat videos!😹 You’re videos are simply the best!
How the hell did I suddenly come about my new favorite channel at 3am on a tuesday... amazing content, keep them coming!!!
Thanks man.... that the time where one always finds the best stuff ;-) I will definitely try. Good to have you around.
Just splendid!!! Words cannot suffice the quality of your tests and experiments hold. Kudos.
now thank YOU my dear sir ;-)
Saw this and thought "i bet this guy has 200k more subs than I do" was very surprised to see that's not the case. Excellent content.
Thank you DMS… wait… I'm going to come for you… give me just … lets say… 100 years 😝
@@MediaDivision at this rate I would say you'll pass me in a few months.
Seriously though now I have to try this trick on an LF camera whenever I get some free time
@@DMS3TV Cool… do it with an Arri65 x6… that would be soooo awesome… let's see how quickly this growth rate evaporates ;-)
This is genius! Thanks for all your hard work. The look and feel was just super realistic but also very cinematic.
Thanks Encore... we are working on something that will beat this hands down ;-) but one more episode to go inbetween
i know somebody will stitch images for extremely fine detail in landscape photography, but i never thought that can be done for motion pictures!
This experiment is really interesting
Thanks Michal... usually the do it with moving the whole cam/lens, not by moving the sensor relative to a medium format lens, so it is a bit different, too.
I had to watch this twice because the first time I was studying your lighting, set design and color grading. It is on point. Great video as well very interesting!
Thanks a lot Charles... appreciated! I think it is rather simple 😜
Can't believe you've got less than 5k subs with these kind of videos. already subbed and shared it with some friends.
Thanks a lot for your support Juan… it was 1600 a week ago… so there is some progress thats to you guys. Give me 100 years to make this worth while ;-)
You are tuning somebody's brain here with you tutorials well done Sir.
Thanks again! We got way more of this... hope to give your brain a solid whiplash 😝😜
By watching this you get lifetime membership to any AV club
What a great video!
Thanks Ranger!! We'll see about that ;-)
I’m completely mesmerized by this experiment which certainly opened my eyes to the value of an LF sensor. Thank you!
Thank you Gerry... I was quite impressed by the outcome, too
That was the coolest thing I've seen on this platform.
Wow..... that is a high bar to jump. Thank you so much Jesse!
One of my top favourite videos of the year!
You made me one proud little CZcamsr 😇
It's crazy that just a couple years later we are having (relatively) affordable 12k cameras by blackmagic and mirrorless cameras are shooting 8k. I'm really excited to see what the future holds for sensor technology and post production, since even a couple years ago a high end pc couldn't even play back 8k and now my base macbook air can easily handle 6k braw in dvr for coloring.
The 12K Ursa is a very good example for limitations of resolution by optical effects. Diffraction kicks in at relatively wide apertures - pixels are just so small. The same effect you get with phone sensors. Take sample footage from the 12K Ursa and Download the sample the 16K sample from our "Beyond IMAX" episode. With our footage you can zoom in "endlessly", but the 12k falls apart very soon. Size does matter in this regard. To be fair, resolution doesn't matter in a narrative context.
No doubt, one of the best content of this genre on CZcams!
Thanks Muhammad… wait for the end of the week… my next on beats this one hands down
Watched this on 4k ips display. Looks gorgeous!!! We need more this quality stuff!
Cheers mate… on the way ;-)
This entire channel speaks to me on a spiritual level. True love for all things cinema. At the end of the video, taking the technicalities out and look at the artistic impact...Today I fell in love!
Thanks a lot Craig... what a poetic comment... fell in love with as well. If we would like to achieve any reaction, then this one. I think we improved a lot since this video... I hope you agree with the journey.
Media Division I watched every single video. Every single one. Today i even watched some over again. Hah, thank you for the content and the great amount of effort, knowledge and passion. It really shows and fuels inspiration. I look forward to seeing a long reigning presence on this channel and can not wait for more. I feel like someone who binged watched a great TV series and has now caught up and waiting for the next nugget of gold. Thank you for the work, best thing i’ve found this year. Keep doing what you’re doing, it’s truly awesome.
Thank you for your kindness Craig… really appreciated… rendering a new episode out right now… 1 hour and 25 minutes long… that should give you a nice boost ;-)
Subbed, that is downright impressive seeing that done with a seemingly random assortment of bits. And the 8k upload was well worth it. Obviously my display couldn't show the full resolution, but it clearly made the stream much more refined.
Bravo!
Thanks a lot Spicy.... glad to have you around!
This was unnecesarily complicated. And so, I love it.
When you said the concept, I really thought you were going to physically glue sensors together. Anyways, not disappointed, the experiment was well worth!
Fetching my glue right now ;-) glad you liked it anyways!!!!
That was great! So glad I clicked on this video.
Thank you Felice.... may I welcome you with all the fanfares... it seem like you are the first woman to watch this. Google statistic shows 100% male views .... depressing 😂 at least I don't need to shave for the guys 😝
@@MediaDivision Haha! there certainly aren't as many women in this field huh! Changing that slowly though!
Thats the spirit! Go and give us a run for the money!!! Good luck
Excellent work Nikolas, thank you for investing your time to put together such an interesting video. Subscribed and looking forward to your next experiment!
Thanks Pocket! Nice to have you… it is actually out already: Recreating the Goldfinger Intro: czcams.com/video/iKuf7VSGEGI/video.html
Playing the video at a higher resolution than the monitor you have actually makes the image look cleaner and sharper
Yes... if the bandwidth of the medium is higher... thats the real benefit you are then perceiving
This is incredible. I have photostitched images from a 5D2, but this is taking things to the next level. Amazingly talented at what you do, I always wondered if this was possible and you executed it. Beautiful I shed a tear. Subscribed!
You make me cry man ;-) thanks a lot!!!! And thanks for hanging… I'm working on an later episode that uses this……… in a 10x more ridiculous way… if this made you cry… that will make you detonate!!
Media Division I cannot wait to see your next project, amazing stuff! Thank you for interacting you will go far (assuming you already have) haha
That's a common technique in photography to take high resolution panorama (without the free lensing of course haha)
I never thought about using it for video, that's quite fascinating
Thank you Xavier.... I think the key difference is not the video part. Stitching images together is nothing new but we are stitching segments of the same lens projection. The technique you are talking about stitches different lens projections. The end result if effectively identical to a large format sensor, minus the temporal difference between the recorded segments, which of course limits the choice of motive drastically. Still, as a proof of concept, I found it interesting and entertaining enough to give it a try.
The Brenizer method was the first thing I thought of too.
this was one of the best videos i’ve seen in a while, truly enjoyed it! hope to see more of this from you!
Thanks man... trying to get some cool stuff out
I'm so glad that I've found your channel, thank you for making this amazing video with such a great production, and most of all, thank you for giving me inspiration through this idea
Thank you so much Guillermo!!! Trying my best.... glad to inspire
WOW its crazy man! Your channel its awesome! I subscribed.
Thank you so much! Glad to have you with us!
This is really interesting. I tried to do a 6x6 photo format with my Canon DSLR (APS-C) sensor, by taking 9 photos (square format) and it actually worked pretty well. I used a 50mm f1.8 lens and I was surprised about the quality of the photo and the blurry background with a lot of details at the center of the photo. Looking forward to this channel!
Yeah, that works for certain motives to (perspective change from frame to frame). This is a bit different as it takes the images from one lens in a stable position… so, no change in perspective, and an actual emulation of what a LF sensor would look. Your technique multiplies the resolution of the optics - that would be impossible with an actual large sensor
You earned another sub! This was such a cool experiment for us camera nerds! Keep on bring such amazing content to us! Lots of love to you!❤️❤️
Thank you Arjun.... nice to have you around! I will surely try 😉
Wow, that was amazing. And thank you so much for 8k upload, looks gorgeous on my 4k screen. Huge thumbs up for also uploading the raw file. :) Subscribed! Would love to see more content from you
Thank you Joonas... it was my pleasure.... try the 12K LOG file (grade yourself) 😁 Glad to have you around... I'm always working on something, but stuff like this takes a little time
Trust me! I haven’t seen a single video from your channel before. But just this one experiment proved me that there are infinite possibilities to do a thing.. love you! Would share the link in future..!! I’ve saved this video. Please don’t remove this by any chance.
Thanks for the flowers … really appreciated. I'm very grateful for all support…………………… I love you, too man 😂😍
Interesting and well executed project. As unit price comes down, larger sensor systems become a practical prospect. Grouped sensors have been used for sometime in astronomical instruments.
Yeah... LF is coming at lest to the prosumer video market.... that is pretty sure. Thank you David
Totally worthy. I subscribed right after watching this.
Great work and execution.
Thanks asbaDoce.... glad to have you here!!!
That was the most epic thing I've seen on CZcams. Wow. Love the look too. All about the field of view of the background. Very 3demntional and cinematic. Subscribed.
Glad to have you Martin.... and thank you for the slight exaggeration 😚😂
The effort to do this is badass
@@martinvandrunen7422 about four days and 30$... reasonable for all the fun it gave me 😄
Wow man, How do you only have 6.1K THATS CRAZY! I hope your grow big one day!
7 days ago it was 1.4K... a new hope 😉 youtube's ways are mysterious
@@MediaDivision Amazing!
This is freakin' amazing, maybe the highest quality content i've seen on youtube
Thank you Amedeo … you make me blush 😊
Hollywood 8K, Bollywood 4K, Tollywood 2K This Guy 12K. YOU ARE A BOSS. Waiting to see you with 1M subs. ALL THE BEST!!!
HaHAhahahahaha… Thanks Art! I hope your are a prophet indeed. Most of Hollywoods stuff is still mastered in 2K. And I get it… The high resolution is very revealing in the VFX and in the age department… I look like my grandfather 😝
Yes its very worth it! Upload in 4K is already good enough but 8K just even better!
Thank you man
Brilliant! I wonder if you could take 4 or so aps c cameras and somehow frankenstein them together to create a big sensor that doesn't have to move.
Bywater Labs each segment of video would have to be then digitally altered to compensate for the changing angle.
Leonardo speaking, It would look great!
Thank you Leonardo
Pretty fantastic what you achieved there! very well done!!! The footage looked fantastic!
Thank you Andres! Appreciated
Unsurprisingly these videos are always so well shot :D
Thanks Mark!
I always wished someone would make a digital version of the hasselblad x-pan - would be so perfect
That would be really awesome!!!
Subscribed, great stuff man!
Nice to have you… thanks a lot!
I loved this! This is the kind of project other colleagues would ask why, and we say why not. More of this would be awesome! Happily subscribed.
Thank you Tim... nice to have you. That is the spirit... I will try my best!!!
OMG! the footage looks gorgeous!! absolutely worth it ✊ even from the pure experimental entertainment aspect of it ✨
Thanks Peter… trying not to be boring 😅
I didn't get what was exactly happening but after you showed us the shot everything became clear, it's an amazing shot.
Nasser'sGarage thanks... glad you liked it
Two options:
-just shoot with a focal reducer... Or a few of them.
-use your LF lens and project onto a white plate, build a darkbox and position your capturing camera below it and use a shifted lens to keep the focus plane; you can find a video on CZcams that made this happen, into a portable system.
Thank you. I do (as you see in this video) use speedboosters, and I am old enough to have used s35 adapters on miniDV (rotating ground glass). While all a fine options to use larger glass, I wanted to know how my camera would look if it had the same sensor but in Arri65 size. This is what this experiment does. Not more, not less.
@@MediaDivision the speedbooster found today are like 0.71 at max; in astronomy you can get 0.5; but it could potentially get much crazier. What about going 4x5 inch to MFT, that is only a crop of like 60 that the glass has to somehow compress onto the small sensor and also not burn your camera because that is a lot of light coming in. Development costs for this kind of toy a probably to high.
But have you actually seen the video by Zev Hoover, it's just something beyond that looks absolutely awesome. I am in the process of planning something similar using a 9x12 plate camera, 3D printed parts, boxes and cloths, vintage lenses and a black magic camera. If I ever finish that project, I will share it as well
@@Veptis Thats sounds very interesting, so please do. No, I don't know Zevs video. I just wonder, If it was just that easy, why did Arri, Panavision, Todd-AO etc come up with large format filming to begin with?... the concept of compressing an image was not new to them and the could have sticked to 16mm film and just boosted that up to 65mm. They didn't... think about it.
@@MediaDivision it's optically challenging and potentially impossible with today's optical technologies and substrates. Like why haven't we seen a focal reducer "speedbooster" that is not spherical but anamorphic for example? That could be a killer product. And it's also the issue of using a smaller sensor, therefore smaller pixel, more noise, more moire etc...
You see extreme optical reducing in some point and shoot cameras or fixed lens designs because you don't have any flange.
Look up the video it's just 4 minutes!
@@Veptis Potentially the smaller sensel should be compensated with the light gain... in a perfect word the only thing that matters is the photons collected by a sensel. But I am more optimistic about the technology... I bet it is and was possible for a long time... there is an other reason why they don't. Anamorphic is basically a Speedbooster on a single axis. There are rear anamorphic adapters that just do that... for example attached to the Angenieux Anamorphic zooms or standalone: www.cinematography.com/cine-uploads/monthly_05_2016/post-32896-0-27400500-1462998432.jpg Right now I'm trying to keep up with 500 comments 😜
Great video and channel - superb video and audio quality - very well produced! … and above all the idea for the EVA 65 and technical execution! xD
Thanks René… try, fail, repeat 😜
Great video ! I love the experimental approach this channel has !
Very high quality stuff! Plus your color grading is amazing! Would you mind to do a quick video on how you color grade? thx
Thanks man, I don't feel confident enough as a colorist to play the tutor but I might do grading tutorials in the future. This one is actually quite simple. I used Filmconvert to get a Kodak emulation (turned of the film grain) and applied a very mild teal and orange grade. That is it
@@MediaDivisionSimple and efficiancy ^^ Thanks for your response. Honestly your grading is so precise and it feel really cinematic that you can be confidant as hell. Thanks for sharing such quality content on our profession. Wish you the best and hope you will get bigger and bigger 👏
@@MediaDivision did you quilified and preserve skin colors on top of the teal and orange grade? Looks like it
@@Sandros94 no.... Im not a skin tone fetishist 😜 If the general grade and light is good, they naturally flow into the place where they should be in the given light. It gets difficult if you mix temperatures
There's more depth and life in the 65mm version. I cant explain it. But the 35mm version looks so flat iin comparison. Thanks fo making this! I am wondering if i can Frankenstein two camera sensor stuck together as an experiment! Thanks for sharing!
My pleasure Ibrahim. To get the same framing on the same lens the 35mm is shot further away... therefore your perspective changes to something flatter. I you shot with a wider lens at the same distance, the perspective would be the same. DoF is matchable by iris (if the lens is fast enough). Of course, physically, there are limitations to what lenses can do. I doubt that you could Frankenstein sensors as they usually come with a "bevel" that prevents exactly that. Arri engineerd their LF and 65 sensors specifically to not have those bevels.
Media Division I have to look at the takes again. I just did it twice, and yes, after you mentioned it, I do see *some* difference, but I’m not sure I can say it with great confidence. I’ll check again. Regardless, your technical and artistic stamina is truly amazing! You and your team have broken the mold of education, let alone in merely videography and filmmaking. Your pace is excellent for all ages. We can follow along, understand, and appreciate. Just curious, what would happen if you used a prism or a beam splitter where, for example, perhaps the beams were split to multiple M4/3 to amass the 12K? Disaster or something good?
Thanks man.... I don’t see how a prism could do that in a way that would be possible and even more practically doable. this is where a larger sensor really comes in handy ;-)
@@MediaDivision I’m only seeing this 3 years later. It’s embarrassing that I came back to watch the video and then ask the same question, only to realize that you answered me the first time, three years ago! - thanks again, great great videos as always!
This is soooo impracti...wow!
Seriously this channel is awesome and this is the kind of weirder tinkering I can appreciate.
This is really really not about practicalities... like experiments usually are not.
Thanks Casa ... nerd of the world unite
Thank you guys for this video
Thanks Kais... much appreciated!
great idea, do you think it could make sense if i try to apply this process to an aps-c canon?
Thanks… sure, depending on the asp-c that you are using (c100, c200, c300) the exact same rules apply, if you use something like the 7D (and no crop in video mode), theoretically you only need 3 segments (4 for overlap) as that ASP-C flavor is higher.
I didn't quite catch how you were maintaining the lens mount to sensor distance constant - the lens wasn't mounted to the body, - was it just under that black cover and that was blocking extraneous light sufficiently ? Cool project... and results. I've seen a still camera where you mount the body on a plate and it slides around to capture different portion of the image circle...
thanks... u see it at 8:00... the arm keeps the lens always at the exact same distance... I actually use the macro mount to focus by shifting the camera back and forth. Yes, a simple black cover is more then sufficient to block out ambient light. Yes... pixel shift technology basically does the same ... just with much less travel distance
@@MediaDivision That little sequence was so quick I missed it's importance (my bad...)... Thx for responding btw :) I found my link- - what I was refering to was RhinoCam - it's an indexing plate to which the body is mounted, and then you shoot sequential frames as you index the plate in a pre-determined set of click stop places - then you merge the photos in PS or like...
Really nice and well done! Thought of doing the same experiment a while ago, but you killed it! It proves that having this kind of larger sensor really makes a big difference and that it's not only something technical, it adds something to the feel and astethic of the shot! For me it gave a special look and feel and the comparison showed it! Big ups! ;)
Thank you for the flowers Bert.... totally agree with you. It is hard to nail down what it really makes it special other then "feeling".
Very nice the 65mm footage looks very crisp and clean on CZcams of all places!
Yes... the impact on the grain and therefore on the overall quality is quite significant... I was surprised
I was just playing with my old 4x5 view camera yesterday wishing that digital backs weren't insanely expensive... hmmm.... mount a digital camera where the ground glass/film holder would go, and use the cranks to adjust and then merge the resulting video clips... I could even use some tilt/shift effects!
That sounds like another CRAZY EXPERIMENT!!! Make a video about it!!!!
This should be a usable technique for some still work actually. And with an FF cam youd only need to stitch 2-3 frames ...
@@simonrabeder1599 sure... I suggest the FF 2x stitch somewhere in the video... it has the advantage that you don't have to shoot vertical, too.
Media Division but for stills you would probably use vertical for 3:2 format
@@simonrabeder1599 true true.... use 2 colums in 2 rows and you got yourself a real medium format sensor
So sieht man sich wieder! :D Sehr cooler Test, Footage sieht echt sau nice aus. Wo sitzt du/ihr?
😉Danke Dir! Wir hatten schon das digitale Vergnügen (falls Du Dich nicht erinnerst)... ich bin der Admin der EVA gruppe und da haben wir schon über Low light und gimbals gefachsimpelt... damals mit Euerm coolen test Crane 2 vs Ronin. Wir sitzen in Hamburg. Gruß nach Köln
@@MediaDivision ahhhh, Nikolas! Alles klar, Verbindung ist gemacht :D Schade, Köln Hamburg ist ja nicht der kürzeste Weg (aber auch nicht der längste). Ich melde mich wenn ich mal in der Gegend bin und erwarte selbiges wenn du in Köln bist ;D Wieso finde ich dich nicht auf Instagram?
@@MariusMilinski Machen wir... lade dich gerne zum Lunch ein. Ich bin schon mit FB gruppen und CZcams so ausgelasted das mir vor noch mehr social media graut... bring Instagram was?! Ich meine geschäftlich?
Great experiment! Started watching the most recent videos (Anamorphic lenses etc) and now I can't stop!
Thanks Stefano... we came a long way. I hope you can see how we progressed over time. Thanks for binge watching!
Well done, Turner! :) Thumbs up for the idea and the result! Subscribed
Thank you Tony… very glad to have you around!
Crazy cool experiment for sure, but I don’t actually see that much of an improvement other than the resolution, which it’s not all about. I preferred the EVA35 image because the lens you used just had a superior character to the old one, and due to the fact that you had to stop it down, it didn’t have amazing depth of field. With anything bigger than full frame, the lenses will limit you.
Thank you Guitar.... fun fact ... it is the same lens in both shots. I'm just further away with the s35, therefor the perspective compression. You are the first to prefer the s35. BTW. the DOF is about 2cm... that is pretty shallow. I could have shot f2.8 or even f1.9 if the projector light wasn't so bright. But I liked this look most from my test.
You get shallower depth of field using larger sensors. And if and when you can go 65mm, lenses won't limit you. It's like saying full frame limit you from using APS-C/S35 lenses. That's stupid.
@@cmdr.shepard well try using apsc lens on fullframe body and let me know how it worked out :D I bet its gonna have killer vignete to it xD
How about using a 45 degree beam splitter glass to send the image to 2 (or even 3) different cameras and record all portions simultaneously? Not sure there's room for that
A beam splitter would take halve of the light away... and it would require two cams to record the image. Why don't you try that. I don't know if a 3 way beamsplitter exists
Yes, it would, but that's how many 3D movies are filmed. WIth decent lighting it might be worth a try. Anyway, I don't have 2 identical cameras lying around :). I guess a 3 way beamsplitter is just two beamsplitters one after the other, in diverging angles, but then you have even less light and additional geometry to account for
Media Division considering that you used 4 blocks with the Panasonic AU-EVA1 to make the sequence; it seems logical to go with 3 beam splitters to get 4 blocks to record with 4 cameras at a cost of recording at 1/4th the original light at each sensor.
Media Division considering that you used 4 blocks with the Panasonic AU-EVA1 to make the sequence; it seems logical to go with 3 beam splitters to get 4 blocks to record with 4 cameras at a cost of recording at 1/4th the original light at each sensor.
@@askquestionstrythings I am not sure if you could use beamsplitters in conjunction... give it a try and let us know if that is something that works.
Absolute treasure of a video, very entertaining. The emulated 65 video looks superb in yt 8k. Well done, man, you need more than 7k subs
give me 100 years and I have a decent amount of subscribers 😜..... thanks a lot Mahdi
glad this video pop up in my recommendations, the quality of the contents is top notch, subscribed!
Thank you Falmesino… glad to have you here.
Interesting... lacks a certain practicality for some types of subjects.
could be taken even further to do sensor shift type true color (although it would be extremely difficult to get a precise sensor shift by moving the camera. )
Thanks... sensor shift is imposible with film without producing artefact. Do you think it would have changed the look of the image?
@@MediaDivision Yes, definitely a different look. in the case you are doing here with capturing the same "static" scene 4 times; sensor-shift for pure color might be possible. but mind-boggling difficult since it's such a small move for a single pixel shift. I agree that there likely would be artifacts from the process since there is a time component to consider.
Wow man 2.2k to 8.9k subscribers in just 5 days.
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Yeah……… and I actually had 1.5K when I launched this film… I'm very grateful in deed… must flame out every second 😜 Thank you little wolf.
Bravo!!! I’ve no words, just stunning experiment out there. Good luck mate !!!!
Thank you Virus! Much appreciated!!!!!!
That was a crazy idea, i've never seen it done like that! But the outcome was great! Nice job!
Thank you Bogfinken... tak
This is how we did our Ghost Towns video, it works even better with motion control gear.
You bet... i just don't have motion control gear. thought it would be interesting to do it with just the stuff laying around to make it more approachable.
Your results looked great! Nice work.
@@SavageAppOfficial Thank you Savage!!
Anytime Media :)
Very neat! Watched in 8k :)
Cool.. got a 8K screen?!?!?As CZcams gives 8K very little extra bandwidth I can't believe it is worth it
4K screen, but downsampling is a good experience :)
@@EposVox ah... cool. Thanks epos!
@@EposVox so you didn't watch in 8k
This’s one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen. Amazing. Keep up the good work.
Angelo G. Delconte thanks Angelo... I will surely try my best!!!!
So glad I stumbled upon this video! Such well done video documentation of a fun experiment, with the right amount of technical insight. Really looking forward to seeing more of your content.
Thank you Eric... I will do my best
Please try with 3 Alexa LF now xD
If you give me the LF's I'd do it in a heart beat 😁
Media Division ahaha I'd love to!
@@stephanes. thats the spirit
Whats the name of the Song you use for the final Clip?
find it here: artlist.io/song/1054/ageless?search=ian-locke
That was quite the experiment! The footage looked incredible 😱
Thanks Luke… much appreciated
Thank you for doing this. If nothing else, it's inspiring to see someone tinker.
Thanks a lot Berserker.... to entertain is totally enough for us, if something more comes aroud we are ecstatic 😉 .
8K Worth it here haha
Cool.... thanks Imast
you can stick a Kipon Baveyes MF Focal Reducer for meduim format look on an a7 (a7sii). although f1.4 at full frame is already shallow enough if you ask me. well produced cool video though. If you want to go extreme someone made a large format 8x10 video camere by using a mirror and a sony a7sii (video name "LARGE FORMAT VIDEO CAMERA (8x10)" by "
Zev Hoover"
thanks ledgendp.... yes, I plan that with a Mavo LF but it is not really the same. Just like a GH5 is not really a s35. Theoretically you could put a speedboster on a spedbooster on a speedbooter and make a go pro a LF 😜
@@MediaDivision did you know the image from the speed boosters are actually really high quality and make the image even sharper than without it? Check it out. I mean I don't know about the medium format boosters but at least that is the case with the s35 to FF boosters from metabones. So the only big differences are the flares and the resolution.
@@hiskishow as you can see at 4:35...... I own a metabones. I use it almost all the time for the gain in light. Can't really say it makes the image sharper... maybe in the way, that the sensor has a better response with a brighter image, or the larger lens has an potential oversampling effect. Otherwise it would be illogical. An added glass that bends light can not be perfectly shaped or have perfect transmission. A "real" large sensor should beat a boosted sensor in terms of resolution. Makes a lot of sense right? Otherwise you could built a speedbooster that made a GoPro "sharper" then a FF. Sharpness is more of an subjective term and higher resolution (counterintuitively) makes a image softer, as the gradient between a bright and a dark pixel is wider.
I have the kipon mamiya to e mount. A7riii with 80mm f1.9
Oh gosh, what a crazy test it is!!!! And I love the clip that was shot by EVA65
Thank you man !!!!
Amazing! Subscribed, keep this quality coming!
I'll do my best…… glad to have you around