Full brake disc replacement with rotating piston or wind back calipers (shown on a Fiat Panda 4x4)
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- What are wind back calipers?
Luckily our commenter Stefano tipped us off .....
It's to do with the handbrake, as the pads wear and the handbrake applied, it winds the piston out to take up the gap caused by the pads wearing.
The best way is to get yourself a cheap wind back tool kit - it makes life a lot easier (fiddly at the best of times) for rotating the piston back into the caliper to enable proper fit for new brake pads.
These are used on many Japanese and European models.
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Brilliant! Just what I needed, have to fit new pads on the front and discs and pads on the rear. 👍
Thanks for sharing, I haven't seen another video showing how the rears are done on this version Panda.👍
Nath is good with brakes to be fair to him !
@@DrivenMadShow Very thorough and very detailed, will be a big help when doing mine.
Cheers for sharing 👍
I do think you missed out a great opportunity for a performance upgrade here, Red painted callipers.
I like the way Jon was absent when there’s a tough job, but it sounded like your new assistant was less of a hinderance, at least the cat only meows now and again and only drinks milk
Another informative video👌
Ace 🏴
We someone, who will not be mentioned, took the sandblaster apart, then wimped off with a knee twinge !
Bless Him
Morning Nath...
Great informative & interesting video as always.
Those calipers on Paddy were actually nice & clean.
I've got a couple of the caliper wind back kits, (y 2 I've no idea) (if my memory serves me right & I'm old so it's shit, Peugeot & Vauxhall amongst others, av the pistons with the holes in to fit the wind back tool) plus I've a ratcheting wind back tool for wen they just need to be pushed back, which is so much less faffing about than getting the kit out all the time.
4 x4 is coming along nicely, it'll soon be on the channel up in them there hill & dirt tracks of Portugal.
I removed the OEM discs & pads on my L200 & replaced with BREMBO grooved & drilled discs plus BREMBO pads too. Always liked a BREMBO brake item.
I'm guess in you filmed this whilst Dad's gammy knee was playing him up?
Poor old s#d.
Excellent video as always young man
Stay lucky. Stay safe. Stay healthy.
Alan L200
I was leaving for Nath to reply, but you are too impatient 🤣 and he never bothers - so you now will have to make do with the old *&*&*&
With any luck, the thermostat will arrive today (3rd time lucky - can always rely on autodock to send the wrong part !! ) and Paddy should be good to go - shame he is in better shape than me 🙈
@@DrivenMadShow Oh Ffs Jon....
I thought it was a case of DISAPPEARING COMMENTS AGAIN.... ☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️☁️
U can't blame me with our history of comments that are floating around the world somewhere 😉☺️😉☺️😉☺️😉.
Hope the thermostat turns up mate, it'll be great to see Paddy out on those dirt tracks of Portugal.
Stay lucky. Stay safe. Stay healthy.
Alan L200
Hi folks, great video.
If you still consider doing a 100hp Panda, you should contact the guy's at Clube Pandista Português, the can advise you where to buy a reinforced clutch. I believe it would be the best for reliability.
Thanks for the tip - thats a great idea - I do need a 100hp in my life as well
Help !!!!
I have a 2018 Panda Cross I m into the rear brakes and the Allen bolts are covered up!!!!
The rear brake caliper bolts on a 2018 Fiat Panda they're covered up I suspect, it's likely there's a protective cap or some other form of covering that needs to be removed first, or just tons of crud, have a scrape - best of luck
Very informative video, thank you. Doesn’t seem that long ago that you got Pete. How many km’s have you done to get the disc’s to that condition?
Hi Gary - you are confusing Pete with Paddy :) - this one is a 2008 4x4 which we got a few months ago and we want to test the 1.3 diesel against the .9 petrol in Pete.
We have been very slow getting Paddy ready, my fault as I have fractured my knee and not done much other than watch telly for weeks !!
Don't panic, Pete's brakes are perfect (done 18 k in him)
You missed this one ... czcams.com/video/qg-p2jLBci0/video.html
The rewind calipers need the bleed cracked off as you said, to save the abs pump - many forget well done !
We can take no credit for this one - our top tips come from Stefano, we are lucky to have some great commenters, Stefano knows his stuff (and a top chap he is !) Nath forgot to thank him on the episode 🙈
Hi Jon and Nath....thank you for your kind comments....best regards, Stefano....
Hi Jon and Nath.....another well made and informative video thanks for posting.
Nath is a very good presenter and its a pleasure watching, he explains everything very clearly.
Just for future reference.... Nath should had removed, cleaned and lubricated the caliper slide bolts using silicone grease, the slider pins are the ones with the rubber ends to prevent water, dirt ingress, do NOT use copper grease as this will cause the rubbers to deteriorate......if you do not lubricate the slide pins then eventually the pad carrier will not move laterally and can cause uneven pad wear and later problems etc.....
In relation to the rear brakes the cap head Allen bolts are generally high tensile hence why they are installed, the best way is to use a small mechanics pick to clean the inside first, this will remove the mud and dirt and then the Allen key / socket will fit correctly, to prevent rounding off the Allen key needs to be at the very bottom of the hole.
To prevent damage to the ABS brake pump by forcing brake fluid backwards through the pump would be to use a rubber brake pipe clamp, place the clamp as near as possible to the carrier and tighten down on the rubber pipe, then place a rubber tube onto the bleed nipple of the caliper, the other end can go into a clean jar with some brake fluid in the bottom, or you can use the easy bleed or 1 person type valves, i believe for your Panda 4x4 its the DOT 4 specification brake fluid?
Lift the bonnet up and unscrew the brake master cylinder filler cap.
Then open the bleed nipple, now you can wind back the piston, as the rubber brake pipe is clamped and the bleed nipple is open you will not force brake fluid back through the ABS pump which is an expensive item if its damaged!
Once the piston is fully wound back, the bleed nipple can be re-tightened, once the new brake pads and discs have been installed then the clamp can be removed.
Once all the discs and pads have been changed check the brake fluid level inside the master cylinder.
Its a good idea to check the brake fluid for water contamination whilst you are servicing the brakes as brake fluid is hydroscorbic, it absorbs water, the fluid testers are about £10 - £15 so not expensive, if the test indicates water then all the brake fluid in the system will need to be replaced.
Before replacing the wheel locater pins apply a small amount of copper or ceramic grease to the threads to prevent seizure, also do the same on the inside of the wheels where they attach to the hubs, also apply some copper grease to the wheel nuts but remember this will effect the torque setting significantly so the nuts should be done by hand, i suggest using the wheel brace thats supplied with the car to prevent over tightening, do not use an air tool or long breaker bar.
A VERY important safety feature that Nath did not demonstrate is that once all the pads and discs have been changed and checks made to ensure the rubber brake pipe clamps have been removed, then sit in the car and pump the brake pedal several times, this will ensure the pistons are extended and the pads are at thier maximum travel against the discs, it will also cause the carriers to centralise, as the slider pins will have been lubricated.
I have known when brake pads and discs have been changed, the brake pedal not pumped before driving away, only for the owner to discover the brake pedal goes to the floor....a little bit disconcerting.......also check the dash to ensure that no brake warning lights have been activated which would indicate a potential problem......
I hope your knee is improving Jon?
Best regards to you both, take care, Stefano........
Morning Stefano - thank you for all that input - really useful & helpful stuff.
Think we may do a full rebuild of the brakes - due to my powder coat obsession - but I dismantled the sandblaster before my latest twist of the knee, so might be a while 😭 thats why we did not go the full hog this time around.
In many ways, youtube is a pain, you get many (and we fall smack into this) poor tutorials that are performed by untrained people (to be fair some are excellent, had a customer who was into lasers for work, but could strip a car to component level blindfolded and return to better than new with total OCD - no formal training, not on youtube I must add, was one of the cleverest / organised blokes I have ever met as an aside)
The channel we do is Nathan's thing, I have a car obsession, but always been fortunate enough to pay (or my employer paid 🤣) a main dealer to service & repair them - I was the odd bod who even took old cars to main dealers - our mancave was just for our own fun, and somehow is now filmed - I always fancied myself as more of a Jeremy Clarkson, talking, not doing, Nath is totally the opposite, loves getting dirty and fixing things.
When Nath had the idea to film, the first were reviews of other youtube programs we (mainly I watched) focused on cars or motorbikes, that failed because I talk too much ! and Nath was really not interested.
The Portuguese only fix what is broken, preventative is not considered here and that's me to a tee ! - they are also slapdash in every conceivable way and frankly Nath and I agreed, we could not be worse - so after trying main dealers / back street mechanics etc, the mancave grew to what you see now.
I kid you not, one garage takes your oil out, if its OK, puts it in the next customers car ? presumably with no consideration to grade ?
Once we bought Murdock (the L200) off road became something we enjoyed, so added that in - plus the truck was in need of a lot of attention so we decided to film us attempting it - great satisfaction achieved in doing something on our own (mainly Nath I must admit).
The knee is proving a major issue - MRI done, results next week, convinced it is the ligament, possibly now totally torn as I literally have done nothing for a month and its no better - so desperate someone to stick a knife in and fix it.
Thanks again for taking so much effort to help us !
Have a great weekend
KR J&N
@@DrivenMadShow Hi Jon and Nath....im glad my advice was helpful and i enjoy watching the videos being filmed in the man cave, i wish i had a large workshop similar to yours especially with a ramp as it makes life FAR easier, i have a single garage with power and lights so its ok to work on the front or rear of the cars but not on the sides as the garage is old and narrow, so its outside using axle stands.
Lol about re-using the old engine oil im sure the engines do not last too long in Portugal under those circumstances?
When you next have the 2021 Panda up on the ramps again have a look at the rear brake set up, you will see the 4 torx bolts on the rear of the hub that have to removed to access the 2 brake carrier bolts, why Fiat designed this i have no idea, your other older Panda 4x4 is much easier to service in that respect.
Thats good news about the 4 years of servicing and MOT, peace of mind.
I hope they can do something to improve your knee, i understand from previous experience how painful and debilitating that can be.
Enjoy the sun perhaps with a glass or two of a good portugese wine, best regards to you and Nath, Stefano.
On RH side you wind in piston clockwise direction, what about LH side? Is it same clockwise or anti-clockwise winding in?
Sorry, bit slow to reply.
Clockwise is out anticlockwise is in :)
PS - when winding in, keep an eye on the reservoir as it can overflow
Can you tell me what year this panda 4x4 is?
2008 LHD ( Portugal ) 😎
Hi Jon and Nath.....have you checked the rear brake arrangement yet on your new 2021 Cross?
You will have some fun changing the rear brake discs as the 2 carrier bolts are not easily accessibile.
The 4 torx bolts that hold the hub into position need to be removed so that the hub can be rotated.
If you look you should find a cut out on one side of the hub, this is so once the 4 torx bolts have been removed you can then rotate the hub to access the 2 carrier bolts, its an awkward job.......why the Fiat Engineers changed it to this design i have no idea? Best regards to you both, take care, Stefano......
Morning Stefano - luckily for us, Pete is getting main dealer services, here its 4 years before MOT, so we get 4 years warranty - we shall leave that job to them for now - we need one reliable car 😂
KR J&N
Great, thanks for addition !!
Yes my daughter is still waiting 2-weeks from Italy no one in the UK has the parts for the Jeep
We have used autodoc - they take forever to deliver and normally send the wrong part ! - telling me the photo and the fact their site states it fits your vehicle is irrelevant, the photo is just for reference 😡
Is this the same assembly that they use on the jeep Cherokee
The only way to tell is have a look (or head to a vehicle specific forum and ask there) on the face of the caliper piston should have a couple of notches, holes, or cutouts for a tool to fit.
The model of the car is actually a Jeep compass the the garage said they had to order the parts from Italy it will take 10 days to arrive
Hi William - some are drum, some are disc (age and model) - but like us here in Portugal, we wait forever for parts - garages tend to buy from Spain - so very little here is done same day as we were used to in the UK :(
It's a 2013 Jeep compass
Ere we go again.....
FIRST to comment........ SAY IT, YOU CANT SEE IT???????
I'm giving up commenting...... Just a thumbs up from now.
Alan L200
I see you ..... 😊
@@DrivenMadShow WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP
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Saw the title and thought I was in for a glimpse of Jono's custard launcher, but alas no. I shall return the Lurpak to the fridge and put the toilet roll back on it's holder.
Lurpak - that tells a lot about the man - if you are going to, make sure its done with quality
It's a Jeep
My Wrangler does not have these turning calipers - its a similar age to our Panda