‘New’ Old Trafford or Redevelop Man United’s Stadium?
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- Andy Mitten is at Old Trafford to talk about potential development of the stadium
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With Sir Jim Ratcliffe considering building a ‘New’ Old Trafford or Redeveloping the current stadium, Andy Mitten has headed to Old Trafford to give his view. Let us know what you think in the comments below...
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Andy Mitten is at Old Trafford to talk about potential development of the stadium
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Did you say the relationship with the girlfriend didn’t last because you took photos of the Stretford End, clearly she wasn’t right for you. 👍
JR want to have the tax payers fund his new stadium.
A new acoustic stadia with room between the seats. I’m an average man, but if I’m sat next to a person with a fuller figure? It’s just too tight,
I saw a clip recently of Sir Alex talking in the late 90s or early 2000s and he said "you should never look back, always look forward to the future" and for that reason we need to build a new stadium.
The graphics and pics were really useful to help me as a "foreign" fan understand all the minutiae around this project. Thank you!
One of the most iconic stadiums in the world! Every time I walk up those steps and see the theatre of dreams I feel like a child again..goosebumps
Would be very sad to see it go 💔
Agreed, maybe they could keep it and use it as a concert venue perhaps, and other types of money making ideas, maybe put a roof on it and use it for a ice hockey team, horse jumping area, Big Foot car events (or whatever they call it) lol, speedway maybe, just throwing ideas forward really so that we can still keep OT stadium, whilst still earning money to keep it going !
@@gigabyte2573 are you serious, concerts and horse jumping? Christ
@@gigabyte2573 Do you not understand the biggest most modern indoor concert arena opens in Manchester next month?
@@robertmclellan3658 And ? Are you saying Manchester can only handle only one top arena venue ? lol, anyway don't take yourself so seriously, I'm just saying rather than demolishing the old stadium why not use it for general entertainment proposes, whatever that may be. What don't you understand about what I have said is SUGESTIONS to save OT, whereas you want is for OT to be demolished obviously ! Try being constructive in your comments rather than destructive, put forward your suggestions if you think OT couldn't cope with competition in that field !
@@gigabyte2573 Well said, so typical of todays youth, attack someone for putting forward a positive idea to save OT, yet he finds the need for such sarcasm is the answer, terrible way of handling your positive suggestions, all he had to say was ' But Manchester has the most modern indoor concert arena in Manchester opening soon' no need for sarcastic wording ! Not all Utd fans live in Manchester ffs ! Or does he think all fans live in Manchester ? 😂😂
New build 101,958 capacity (2nd largest in Europe)
Retractable roof and pitch
Redevelop the current stadium into a 25,000 stadium enveloped by hotels, apartments, restaurants etc.
Make the whole campus area a 300+ days a year operation.
Gets my vote.
120k or its not worth it just extend the south stand
And all that paid for by the tax payers for JRs stadium
In other words lets try to be like City.
Please tell me you've got that huge badge in your garage!
Nice one Andy, let's hope the new Stadium which ever way they go, is State of the Art, and 100,000 at least
Can't fill Owed Trafford as it is.
100k will be too much. I think it'll be close to what Wembley is. Maybe 90k max. 100k minimum would put them as the largest capacity stadium in Europe. Although I'd want that, I don't see it happening. They'll definitely completely fill it up and sell it out. As there's a huge waiting list with season tickets
@@mohammedfaiisal I'm pretty sure if they do go with the New Build Stadium, they will pull out all the Stops, and go for a 100,000seater, and make it the Largest in Europe, they will fill it every game too. why wouldn't they, while they have the chance?
@@mohammedfaiisal Why can’t they fill the current ground?
@@Scottuz They can’t fill the current ground.
If we're gonna build a new ground, do it propa and make it 100000, that would be impressive. Anything less than 100000 and it's not worth leaving Old Trafford and it's history. Old Trafford is still a brilliant ground and could be renovated in that case.
120k
300k😊
Isn't it refreshing to have an Andy mitten report pop in the man utd news feed , more please Andy , everyone respects your opinions 👍👍
As long as there's room for the Jonny Evans statue, I don't mind.
1995 - OT was 55,000 - come on Andy!
Hes a sausage
Was 50,000 March/April 96 as the North Stand gradually opened, 55,000 by summer 96
Love Andy Mitten, what an absolute original legend ✌️
NOT
We are in desperate need of world class 100k seater stadium 🏟️
Nice job Andy. Great to see the growth of this channel on CZcams. Videos more polished with each posting too.
You’ll be at 1 million in no time
Always enjoy your insights on Newstalk in 🇮🇪
Keep up the great work
Love old Trafford but we need to move with the times.new stadium 100,000 seats, better corporate,bigger and modern concourses, better infrastructure around the ground for fans.
Go NEW. Go 100,000+. Go Retractable Roof.
Agreed Andy. A New State of the Art Stadium is a must.
Cheers Andy. Always a pleasure! 😃
Andy, you are a gem! Love your passion for grounds and for Manchester United. Keep up with the content and hope to catch you for a copy of United We Stand when I'm next up there
I would create a new Old Trafford on the existing land. Capacity: as big as we can fill. 120,000?
I think that would still sell out every week
I think 200k would sell out let alone 120
@@danthechauffeur1323 already 50k season ticket holders with 120k on the waiting list - easy fill it
It sounds like 150k should be a reasonable target then. We have to fill it otherwise the additional seats are pointless or will encourage more away fans (better atmosphere perhaps then however). 200k sounds ludicrous but if it's full then you do it. Look how big the nou camp looked when it was 120k. Logistically everyone actually has to be able to have a decent view as well.
Brilliant piece Andy, thanks for the continued informed and professional content. Please keep it coming 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
Great video Andy! I love OT but it’s time to move on and build a new stadium, the club deserves it. I have great memories of the old girl, one of the best being 26th April 1975, it was last game of the season and United were second division champs. The records show 58,000 plus attendance that day, 9:17 I’m sure the scoreboard said 62,000, but it felt like there was 70,000 in the stadium, we were all crammed in the United Road Stand like sardines and god knows how many fans had climbed on the roof and up the floodlights. Happy days. Love the show.
Great video Andy. Saw you on the Stretford Paddock, which is also a great channel. I’m originally from Leamington/Warwick but my Dad is a United fan and took me up to Old Trafford for the first time in 85, I was 10. I’m a big stadium geek so this is right up my street 👍🏻
Man Utd's Old Trafford Stadium that a bit of TLC won't cure.
All it needs is the Upgrade of the Sir Bobby Charlton's Stand with a 2nd tier to complete the original design & the removal of the 3rd tier of the Sir Alex Ferguson's Stand & replaced by TV Screens for all 4 corners.
We also want a Levelled Retractable New Roof + modern refurbishment of the rest of the stadium to warrant a 90K capacity in comfort.
SBCS 25K +
SAFS 25K +
SES 20K +
ES 20K = 90K.
Take Note: The Stadium Expansion should Not Exceed the rail track.
Old Trafford Stadium known as 'The Theatre of Dreams' unique in style is the Super Bowl of stadiums & is potentially The best Stadium in the country, possibly the world.
Andy fanzines fabulous great have them great read .😊 Hopefully we redevelopment of existing ground
A good report Andy from a proper United lad
Keep it going son
Slim 🤙
Fantastic report as usual!
Thanks for keeping us informed and excited about the future.
Another good video Andy, please keep it up!!
someone should make a shirt of that manchester skyline andy
Love the video straight to the point informative great visuals
I remember when the north stand was being done. Had a LMTB then ST in K (now N2402), and got stuck behind a post getting rained on for some cup game in the north stand in 95 I think. Didn’t really like that stand at first, but it’s grown on me. You remember when they were giving away turf from the pitch that same summer btw? I got 2 big pieces in a couple of big bags. Looked a bit daft on the train home that day. They were “planted” in the back garden and are still there today at mum and dad’s.
Brilliant Andy
Really good clip. Always like andys comments, has to be a new build.
I do understand fans' attachment to the current stadium, but I think refurbishing and extending it is always going to be something of a compromise. To me it makes sense to build a new state-of-the-art stadium if the space is there to do so.
Will be using these views within my dissertation, nice one Andy!
It’s a new stadium for me. I’m a structural engineer and if we go down the refurb route there will be a lot of big compromises made. Let’s bite the bullet and build something state of the art.
Cheers Andy, Let's hope they listen to you :)
Top insight, Andy.
I happy to hear United fans are open to a new stadium. This stadium is historic but it's time to move on.
Love the idea of a new stadium and the OT renamed the Jimmy Murphy Stadium that’s used for the Academy
Thanks for the update, Andy
New stadium would not feel new in 30 years time
we would then lose the history/passion/heritage
our fathers/mothers/grandparents all stood/sat in these stands
past players /managers
theatre of dreams is also theatre of memories
we need to think carefully about this
keep Old Trafford its special
Brilliant video Andy, you always hit the mark and you’ve not missed here. UTFR!
great vid Andy 🙏
Excellent video Andy yeah I agree a new stadium 120k+ behind Stretty. With an academy/women's ground where OT currently is, and of course keeping the old players tunnel the actually only original part of the ground is what's needed. A generation of the area for locals and more affordable housing is a must too
There will need to be around 20,000 exec seats and the rest a mix with the cheapest 10,000 seats reserved for local youth / kids
Excellent video Andy. Always enjoy listening to your thoughts and opinions on Utd issues.
Well said.
Andy will always be the true community voice of United. All the pretenders couldn’t hold a candle.
100,000 seater new stadium with certain elements of the current stadium taken into account, turn OT into a smaller ground for the kids, covered in memories of past glories
Time for a brand new high tech stadium, after all we are one of the biggest clubs in the world, we need a new stadium with all the trimmings, so that when fans arrive from all over the country they have lots to do, not just to watch a game, I'm sure Ratcliffe will go for a new stadium with the best facilities so that fans can spend and have fun before and after the game !
Nice video Andy.
My opinion on this topic is that, Old Trafford needs to be refurbished to the levels of which Madrid did with the Bernabeu. Old Trafford is sacred ground. I feel like the right investment and technologies can be put into the re-development of old Trafford. Some investment can be put into Leigh Sports Village; which would benefit our women’s & U21 teams, as well as the rugby team that uses that ground.
The main thing is keeping the spirit of Old Trafford, and finding ways to enhance it. A new stadium does sound nice and would be great, but some of that soul in the atmosphere of Old Trafford would be diminished,, up the reds ❤️👹
Well said Andy !!
We want an Expansion to approx 90K capacity, Modern refurbishment & a Levelled Retractable New Roof!
There's an completed stadium design on WHF!🔰@UtdWesleyy with a comment stating: So apparently we are looking at an expansion of Old Trafford. It’s been talked about for years
but put off because of the complications around the south section of the stadium but if we do manage to do it…🔴 2 Tier SBC Capacity: 88,000+
We're sure that can be achieved with minimal fuss by observation cos its already laid out going by our walk around the stadium experience.
Take Note: The Stadium Expansion Must Not Exceed the rail way track!
Worth a view, please share!
My understanding is the club were going to develop the South Stand over the railway line and the Glazers stopped that. It's really only the South Stand causing major issues (apart from roof leaks). Well said Andy. I respect your views. 😊
Lovely visual n update Andy
I belive Sir Seb n team has to think out of the box as there is a 3rd option to built a new stadium n repurpose OT into a sports hub with various indoor/outdoor sports n related, Malls n Hotels, University, a Mass transit stop for train, metro, bus whilst maintaining the pitch for academy n women game and includes a running track around it with 10,000seatings. You have the option then of a few sky walk to link into the new stadium. My country has a unique stadium called My Tampines Hub and how it can incorporate so many things into it as land are extremly expensive in Singapore so it needs to be multipurpose yet serve the local community.
As always, great piece AM 👌🏾UWS✊🏾
You're the absolute best, Andy.
Nice one, Andy
Forget sentiment, we need a brand new ground. I've spent half my life inside OT and love the place, but it's time to say goodbye! Onwards and upwards
A new 100,000 capacity stadium and keep OT for the academy & women’s as you say. Best in class at everything from now on.
New stadium is good. OT is too old and not funcitons as modern day use. Also, the cost of refurbishing it is not that cost effective. So, I like the idea of building a new 100k stadium.
A new stadium would be the best case.
Teams that live in the past stay in the past. Look at Liverpool. Especially, during the 90’s when United were expanding the corporate side.
The only logical way forward is a new stadium on the same site or nearby. With Trafford MBC renovation of that area it’s an opportunity that cannot be missed.
For a big and great as United are there is so much potential for the future. We've had the handbrake on for close to 20 years with the Glazers. 80k plus stadiums seem to be difficult in the modern world with increased leg room, amenities etc but i think we have the levels of interest to attract 90k on the reg if tickets are priced at a level that allows the next generation of fans attend matches.
I always said. New stadium and downsize this one to an academy stadium. That way you can keep the heritage and instill it into young players as they come through. Surrounded by a Man Utd to keep the fan experience and it's a win. Won't be cheap but can be done incrementally over the next few years.
Clearly, the problems of Old Trafford have not been exaggerated, the rain that just poured through the roof recently was embarrassing for United fans.
Man Utd's Old Trafford Stadium known as 'The Theatre of Dreams' unique in style is the Super Bowl of stadiums & is potentially The best Stadium in the country, possibly the world.
The Owners were the ones who stop the Original project by using the excuse of the rail track complications. As stated previously, the design has already been laid out for completion of the stadium by original designers, to finish before the train track but the owners compromised by installed the 3rd tier cos the fans were complaining about the capacity at that time.
Alls well we like to think that once the owners depart or bring in SJR and his team we can address the layout for the necessary expansion of the South stand, East & West quadrant issue ASAP because Wembley or Man City's Etihad is to far to deal with the fan base, we're sure that can be achieved with minimal fuss, going by our walk around the stadium experience by observation.
Take Note: The Stadium Expansion should Not Exceed the rail track.
We feel in 18 month to 2 years copying Real Madrid project with the right people it can be achieved in line with progress on the pitch!
Worth a view, please share!
Great post. The Glazers also would never dip their hand into their pockets to fund it. No coincidence that the last significant work done was paid for & commissioned before they took charge. Also no coincidence that as soon as Sir Jim comes in that things are moving quickly.
With modern engineering, the rail track would be a piece of piss to move underground under the stadium.
If they do build a new stadium, I hope it looks just like Old Trafford but bigger & better, with a huge Sir Bobby Stand
@@dannymahon6929 What about the holes in the roof and the rodent infestation?
The rail track "excuse" was around way before the Glazers took over.
@@robertmclellan3658At present The Old Trafford Stadium is still incomplete & needs is an upgrade of the SBC stand & East & West quadrant to be completed first before you can sort out the roof.
This Stadium has a lot of potential & can be one of the best stadium in Europe if not the world with the original design cos it has authentic & character with the potential capacity of at least 90K, all it needs is an refurbished & some TLC.
Take Note: The Stadium Expansion Must Not Exceed the rail way track!
Man Utd 's Old Trafford 'The Super Bowl of Stadiums known as 'The Theatre of Dreams' is unique & a Colossal of a stadium.
@@robertmclellan3658 At present The Old Trafford Stadium is still incomplete & needs is an upgrade of the SBC stand & East & West quadrant to be completed first before you can sort out the roof.
This Stadium has a lot of potential & can be one of the best stadium in Europe if not the world with the original design cos it has character & authentic with the potential capacity of at least 90K, all it needs is an refurbished & some TLC.
Take Note: The Stadium Expansion Must Not Exceed the rail way track!
Man Utd 's Old Trafford 'The Super Bowl of Stadiums known as 'The Theatre of Dreams' is unique & a Colossal of a stadium.
The cost of a new build of £90k+ to the spec United need will be closer to £3bn by the time there is a spade in the ground. To think the corporates won’t be prioritised in the design ahead of the general admission fans is very idealistic. A new stadium is a necessity but a part of the identity will be lost in the move that will take time to rebuild
Whatever they do I hope they keep the illuminated sign, i love to see it - especially on those foggy misty nights shining out like a red beacon!
My dream is to one day attend even one match , if it's not a redevelop old trafford , then I definitely wanna be one of the fan to experience the new one
It would even make sense to build a 110k stadium … it works in college football in the us .. And it could be unique about United because no other club attracts so many fans . So why not capitalise on this advantage ?
What about a standing area in the new /redeveloped stadium?
Good stuff as usual Andy.
I know you're a capacity geek Andy but when the north stand was built the capacity went up to 55k in 1996
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New stadium for the next 100 years all the way. Upgrades will take years to complete.
I’ve no idea what’s best. But it is exciting. I really want us to be one of the best clubs in the world in terms of fan and community engagement going forward.
New stadium-
-Retractable roof
-NBA style scoreboards ( room for massive sponsors on it + can do fun things like celeb lookalikes with the crowd like NBA do)
- 100,000 MINIMUM anything lower there is no point in building it.
- have a section for cheaper tickets that goes to max age of 23 Fans with noise are younger... are youth will stick with us. Nothing crazy. Maybe 3k seats.
Old stadium-
- Don't knock it down !!
- minimise capacity to maybe 25k even less if need be
- women's games and academy games in there.
Or use it for money generation.......
For example:
Keep the pitch and make the museum bigger and make OT a massive hotel. In connection with the marriot sponsorship.
Could have charity games there.
So much could be done
If it's a new stadium, I say call it "The Trinity Stadium." I've come around to the idea of a new stadium in recent times with the caveat that Old Trafford still be renovated as a youth and/or women's stadium.
I love the idea but for ineos and Glazers some of the attraction of a new build is selling the naming rights. They'd be looking for 80 to 100 a year for naming rights.
@@pdfarrelly I certainly think the Glazers would want that but I think sponsored stadium names are pretty tacky. Frankly, if it hadn't been for the Glazer-imposed debt, United have made enough money that it could have paid for the stadium itself without the need to sell of naming rights.
They could use the current team in the foundations for the new stadium.
Great video Andy I personally would opt for a New Stadium as Old Trafford is nowhere near to the likes of the
Real Madrid
Bayern Munich
Barcelona ( when completed )
And Spurs which Id probably say is the best stadium in Britain
I'm petty enough to want a 115,000 capacity
As long as it's bigger than Barcelona's stadium
As much as it pains me it has to be a new stadium. We can get to a bigger capacity with a new stadium, and we can redevelop the area around the stadium which we can't do if we just renovate OT. There's only one reason to redevelop the old ground instead, and that's our emotional attachment to the place.
I think just rebuilding and expanding the Charlton stand, and then wrapping the stadium in a new roof and facade should be adequate enough. A brand new stadium would cripple other financial prospects (you know, like transfers!)
110:000 new stadium 🏟️ sounds good 👍🏽
Ideally I would prefer to develop OT over a new stadium. There's so much history with this pitch. If we do that, how long will it take? Would it mean the team would have to play the home games at a different stadium while OT gets developed? Not sure.
100,000 capacity is absolutely ridiculous thinking imo
80k is more than enough especially in a world where more people will be watching on a tv than going to games.
Prefer a renovation but definitely not against a new stadium. But we HAVE to keep OT, its too valuable. Take it back to one tier (40k) or maybe a bit less, incorporate the museum into it and have the women and youth teams play there.
Dont think redevlop Old Trafford, but with the notice to all companies around the stadium to vacate means a new stadium will be build.
We got over 60,000 v Sunderland in Division 2.
I think they should face the stadium north and south instead of east and west as it is. That will help with the sun not in your face during match days. So I like the spot you've chosen, but tilt it 90 degrees and it's perfect. But, I think they'll do what sours did and build over the pitch. But your idea which I've seen others do is better. Because they could do what Everton are doing and what Man City did years ago. Have the new stadium built, while continuing to use the old stadium. Only downside is that there won't be any parking. So I'm not sure what they'll do. It'll cost a lot of money. Money that neither the Glazers or Ratcliffe even have
They should buy up and build in the europa way / wharfside triangle. only real area around the ground that's feasible imo
Andy, I’d say (and I hope they do this): reduce OT down to its pre-1996 design and assign it to the women. We keep the stadium and its heritage. Make a massive new 100k stadium behind OT.
The women’s team should play in Trafford! It’s a tragedy that they have to play in Leigh! 40 mins away by car on a good day
Top man Andy,I think we should downsize OT for the women’s stadium or even better,build a brand new stadium for the women’s team. That the men’s team could share, while OT is being refurbished or NT is being built, and we SJR/UTD should have the biggest stadium in Europe. 110,000( or to copy Howson 100,199 to commemorate the treble year, but theirs to many zeros 1999 )as the whole idea is for us to become the biggest club in Europe, if not the world again. So we should definitely have a stadium to back up our club as the biggest!! and Old Trafford downsized, maybe as a museum. But it should be kept as a part of the club in some way that doesn’t cost money but makes it in the long term for the people of Manchester and the fans of United as well as SJR to get his money back!! UTR ✌🏼&✊🏼
Or they could build a 101999 stadium instead :)
We definitely need a new stadium at least 90,000 capacity 👹🔴⚪️⚫️
We could have a capacity of well over 100k and the season ticket waiting list will still be ridiculous
Let's go over 100,000 for the new stadium! Remind these guys who the biggest club in the world is!
You can't fill the current dump.
@@robertmclellan3658 Sorry you must be confusing us for City fans.
@@AnthonyMunyi Owed Trafford with a capacity of 74,879 last season averaged 73,868 meaning 1011 empty seats per game despite giving tickets away and shipping tourists in.
Filling 100k seats will not be a problem at Man United. A long debate on this is needless.
I hope to keep Old Trafford but move in to a New ‘Old’ Trafford. No idea how feasible it is though.
no-brainer - NEW
getting Old Trafford up to the standard it needs to be wouldn't cost much less
and with a new stadium, they could up their 50k season ticket holders as well as host other events earning the club more money
Patch it up now and it'll need patching up again pretty soon. Brand new one would be the best in the world and last much longer. It's on the same site, go big!