Gypsy Problem - Bromley (1972)
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- čas přidán 12. 04. 2014
- Bromley, Kent.
Colour.
Story of gypsy encampment and the problems that go with it. Interviews with gypsies and local residents including M.P. Dame Patricia Hornsby Smith. Shots of children amongst the rubbish. Good panning shots of the encampment and of a pile of broken up cars.
Local residents complain about the mess that the gypsies leave behind, the gypsies say that it is local residents that dump rubbish there.
The gypsies are seen having a bonfire, and standing around chatting. Dame Hornsby Smith and another local resident say that the gypsies have every right to be there, but that the way they live is detrimental to the area. Kent has always been a mecca for travellers especially as they have traditionally worked there in the hop picking season and as fruit pickers.
The gypsies complain that the local pubs won't serve them although there is supposed to be no discrimination in Britain.
Note: old records state that this was filmed in Bexley, but commentary says Bromley.
16mm Print. Mag Track in UN 4589 F.
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40 years later and nothing has changed
That's untrue
@@violet1785 they still leave rubbish everywhere they go
@@graham9352where who when
Did u report it that illegal
The police will deal wiv this great info u have about these ppl u witness doing such acts
We all pay our taxs the police work for us to keep r country in law abiding way that's why we have courts fines an prisons in place
An they brimming with law breaking ppl from all walks of life
Everybody in UK is not roaming around like animals littering the UK
Or allowed ro do so tho its great u have 1st hand info that's its all gypsy's who do so from every corner of UK to give to police who will be able to look at thier cameras that monitor most of UK an bang up these bad ppl
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@@violet1785 I'm not saying it's all of them but the ones that do it give all travellers a bad name
@@graham9352 agree travellers r from all walks of life an most r settled an leading normal lives wiv gd an bad in them even the ones who travel some leave it shameful others leave it cleaner than when they first got thier
Not many travel aside of roads an places that looks eye sour to all who see
Some got no place to go an pull up out of sight of everybody so they can have peaceful few wks before they find a place to pull
Not many sites pull ins
Even the travellers who own sites won't allow certain ppl onto thier ground an if u do u have a small piece of bay to pull in an paying over hundred a wk an abide by strick rules of other park owner where to park ya car truck an it uaslly packed in like sardines
Some travellers r good some r OK an some not
Just like rest of world
An country
An in every class thiers good an bad in all
Every UK gypsy caravan park that's been made is either on a old land field tip dump or disused old graveyard
An hide from puplic eye if u buy land u have hard issue getting it passed
To stay on
Even if down lonley old lane
Gypsy's don't want to bother anybody we don't wanna stick out like a sore thumb some had better starts than others an don't need to worry about travelling they hid up thier roots
R in good place in life tho r still a romany inside an don't like others running down thier ppl
World changes tho hate for travellers never changes meet an know lot of settled ppl an more good in world than not
Either way I wish u an urs a happier new year x
Some things never change: wherever travellers go, robberies, burglaries, trouble and rubbish follow. Ask any local authority or police force - in private of course since they cant admit it publicly and they'll confirm it.
Some things never change !
Racist if ya put all muslims in the same bracket as extremists. So is it still racist and bigotry when all gypsys are put in the same bracket?
@@cameronsmith5470 No. It's the truth.
RoadKillzine if this were black people it would be racist but because it’s gypsys it’s fine
I never understand why law abiding citizens are labeled racist when all we want is the same laws applied to everyone equally.
@Yusuf Clyde It's a scam site. Says it's hacked the account, then asks for payment before it'll give you the password. If you give payment details, you don't get the password and you personal and financial details are then used for online fraud.
"The law is there's no discrimination in this country"... Oh you care about the rule of law, ey?
Anyone else thinking I wish I could get that pram off the dump and recycle it - it’s so lovely 🥰
I remember those prams and mangles lol
Yes it’s gorgeous
No
Yep like everything I see
I am American, and I have always preferred the word "Pram" to the word "Stroller"
It's one thing calling yourself a "Gypsy" and another thing being just trashy, disrespectful people giving yourself a horrible name. Some things never change.
What do you call yourself.
@@Caroline.123 gypos are disgusting people
Gorjas, trashy as ever
Why do they always leave everywhere a total state.
Because binmen don’t collect it like they do for everyone else
Then clear it and take it somewhere yourself!!!
@@dmvzfdac we pay for that!!
@@sinjinsmythe1571 Barely makes the slightest difference. However where there’s sites for travellers they pay a fee and get the rubbish collected. It’s not difficult is it?
@@brigittegeorg Just out of curiosity have you ever taken anything to a tip. Why do you think there’s so much fly tipping going on.
"we ain't don't all this rubbish, this was all done already by the people that live here in the houses" ❗🤣
You class people what’s done that ere 😂
The truth is it was probably there already, ad a kid in the 70,s even in Cornwall there were abandoned cars dumped everywhere.
Mike beats tsb the rubbish was dumped and still does by house people
@@richardboswell9306 Truth.
@@closethedoornow7538 what do you mean our class of people ,you only know what you have read about we don't have sofas, cannabis junk and on my land I had rubbish dumping from a builder who I gave it back to
1:55 Howard Hughes from Ever decreasing circles.
When they offer to cut the grass on your front lawn then demand a thousand pounds ...argue back and you will be threatened with a tugging ^ gypsy slang for a stabbing. '...call the police and they will tell you it's a civil matter and they can't and won't do anything about it
Same problem in 2021, when is it going to be dealt with
Apparently NEVER.
Do you like dags?
Bless them 💓
Those Travelling people have a decency about them Polite and Courteous. Now it is the complete opposite.
That's a lie there is all walks of life there are good people and there are bad I am Roma/Romani from the US Los Angeles California and we are very respectful classy modest on the other hand you crosses to a certain degree and you look for something in this world you will find it from anybody and that can be anything you look and you will find Simon loco
They are Gypsies not tinkers
Nothing has changed in nearly 50 years except we have two world champion boxers.
Who's that?
@@mikebeatstsb7030 Tyson Fury is one and maybe Connor McGregor
@@DDandrums considering Conor never lived in shity England I wouldn’t say him more like that English fella you have fury
@@DDandrums fury and billy joe Saunders
@@mikebeatstsb7030 Tyson fury and billy joe and a good few up and coming like Willy Hutchinson Dennis McCann and hopey price just to name a few
well... if the british society cannot persuade the travellers to assimilate into british culture..... i can imagine how hard it is to force cultural assimilation for any immigrants from the mid east or war torn african countries or eastern europe...
Late response here, but you make a very good point.
If you love this sort of film then check out Yorkie Greenwood Of Northumberland Builder and painter of Gypsy Caravans Yorkie s skills of art are amazing see for yourself
Her accent is unbelievable
Posher than the late Queen
It's how people spoke years ago before mass immigration changed our dialects.
Mr B I know what you mean but it wasn't as ,posh, as hers.😆😆
@@ronaldmcmurray6274 I think it was mate. I remember my Nan and Grandad both speaking like that.
And so are her teeth 😅😅😅
Everybody spoke better bk then x
They spoke beautifully i am truly stunned at the tone they spoke in as an african man myself.
@@twaincarey agree happy new year 2you an urs x
@@violet1785 My pleasure have a blessed year, more life to you X.
@@twaincarey 👍👌❤️💕x
What a lovely way of life.
I’m confused what is a gypsy
Majority of people dont know what gypsies are . We live of the land and people were living like those for hundreds of years before the ownership of lands. If the council see it as such a problem then they should make more effort to build sites even if they are owned by the council , gypsy lifestyle should not be compromised just because other people dont like it and it offends them. Straight up racism, split with my misses because she tried to challenge me on my gypsy heritage, it's the irish giving us lot the bad name
@@williamsmith3926 your lifestyle destroys the environment and degrades communities
@@helloworld4990 you are uneducated
Gypsy is a racial slur for the romani people meaning ‘darkskin untouchable slave’ however IRISH have always been called ‘white gypsy’ and ‘white n-slur’
@@williamsmith3926 No, the conditions gave us the bad name!
Not much has changed.
Poor kids don't stand a chance
Better chance than gorga our kids no they loved and can do many things
these are roma gypsies or irish travellers?
English travelers there is such thing
English Romanichal
They are English Romanie gypsies
Travellers mate......roma gypsies are well mixed in now apart from the current gypsies from roumania who are very dark
@Eddie Hearns a sellout how did Irish traveller's come from the English or England? The Irish traveller's are nomadic people of Ireland, the great famine of 1847 was the cause of most Irish people either emigrating or moving town to town looking for food and work. Most Irish traveller families will trace there origins to the west of Ireland where the famine was at is worst. 2 million died 2 million emigrated. It was genocide by the English as food was being exported from Ireland by the English who ruled Ireland at the time.
4:20 he looks familiar - anyone know his name? family?
Rishi Sunak's father
That’s my gf grandfather
@@abbiegoldstone4516 you know the family name?
@@moonbug7252 Tom Hilding
Crusty jugglers......
What is that an insane clown posse picture for your profile pic? And you call us crusty...
@@JLKDOOM you got a problem with an image?
@@johnchester7836 only the images of yo mama
@@JLKDOOM when your govt tells you to recycle it doesn’t include comebacks
Eyebrow of the chickens
its not who there are it how some live if any body lives like this its not good for the others that do the right thing
O zamani iyi biliyom 1982 yili arada kaldım turkiye
Nasil biliyorsunuz? Orada mi yasamistiniz? Tam olarak ne yaptiniz?
@@Bozokunitedkingdom imamoglu parti kursun
That has to be orpington.
naaah must be bromley town centre
It is st Mary cray
Same today - they leave mess and rubbish. Ih ave nothing against them, just that they do not tidy up.
Zero change in 50 years. Christ.
Try this on. Weekly I walk from my village 3/4 mile and back to the next one picking up litter. I get a third of a 90litre bag. That’s rubbish thrown out of cars by gorgios (brick dwellers). Now you multiply that by the 1/4 million miles of road, not to mention footpaths, in this country and then complain about gipsies. What was it someone said “first cast out the beam out of thine own eye”?
Agree. There are antisocial people in every group.
There is quite a difference though between the domestic rubbish that can be fairly argued isn't collected from roadside sites, although it is no excuse for not taking it to the tip themselves once a week...and the piles of cars!! The scrap metal trade so often associated with the tinker end of travelling people is what people really object to having left on the roadside. Although it is rare now as everything has been clamped down on. Most of what we have on the road now seems to be Irish travelers, not the gypsies that were so common in my Norfolk childhood and a totally different class of people. We often had the children in our schools, and we all thought they were very exciting and glamorous!
I rented a few mobile homes from romany families they have mobile home sites across UK and they were spotless sites..
There are bad eggs in all communities and a lot of the people living in caravans now aren't gypsies there townies. .
Irish travellers are the biggest problem they tend to move around more leaving mess but English true gypsies are clean and tidy ..
Things haven't changed then. 😂😂😂
1:56 ArFer Shelby
The man’s comment about wanting his children to go to school to get an education was quite touching. That’s a very noble reason to stay.
Since they don't pay Council Tax(or rates back then) or any tax , I don't think so.🙄
@@taxpayer_revolt During the 1970s there may have been less formal oversight and fewer mechanisms in place to ensure tax compliance (among all groups - not just gypsy community). Nevertheless, members of the travelling community in the UK are subject to the same tax laws as any other residents or citizens. This means they are required to pay taxes such as income tax, council tax, and VAT, among others, based on their earnings, property, and purchases, just like other individuals in the country. Additionally, travellers running businesses must register with HMRC and are responsible for declaring their income and paying any taxes due. There are mechanisms within HMRC to address non-compliance or evasion.
They lie through the teeth all the time.
& they still leave pleases in a mess like this in 2021
Don’t be racist
@@zezet0ni594 I would but all of them live in houses
@@zezet0ni594 it doesn’t just come from gypsys you know
@@zezet0ni594 by the way how’s those migrants doing for you
@@zezet0ni594 yeah okay whst about the travellers the Irish ones
They do more mess mate
Leeds has provided temporary park ups with portaloos . There is a few permanent sites I know of. The country needs more. They have been here for centuries and provide labour and many other positives. They have gained ethnic minority status since this film was produced. I have been helped myself by Romany and Irish travellers . When at first homeless then living with
New Age Travellers. Good people.
I worked with a few travellers in the Midlands a few years back as a tree surgeon. They tried to do a coke deal in a car park, they tried to rip off and con an oldman on one job, ran off with his cash and left logs unpicked up and also would look to steal stuff from people's gardens. I quit my job that day.
Please list the other positives...
You must have smoked PCP 24/7 to come up with that load of old bullshit.
You don’t get to be “Ethnic Minority “ because you live in a caravan lol. You’re white.
Why do they think they do not have to pay rent and live for free?
Because that is the way nature / god , intended . All these rules you have are man made purely to increase the wealth of the people at the top.
@@coryparni3620 good answer
That’s they life something u wouldn’t understand 😂
@@JohnSmith-xm3hh Are you saying they have a right to live for free in society?
@@Neil-Aspinall yes but they sill don’t live free because they sill pay the way in life
all i see is they arent tidy
Problem for people who do not live a normad's life.
You can live a nomad style but you dont have to live in a tip.
Thats why most are against these,its the crap they leave for the taxpayers to pick up
@@glennbradford2953 and when they start robbing people's houses and starting aggro in pubs
Ini
This was filmed almost 50 years ago! With all the free benefits given to non gypsies and immigrants in the UK, why hasn’t there been any building of what we call trailer parks here in the US? For a monthly fee they can park their homes and cars on an assigned space. It’s not a bad deal and the trailer or caravan park could be owned and operated by the local Gypsy council. They could have playgrounds and laundry centers. It could work well.
@@smc130 because gypsies are unfairly despised and discriminated all the world over. People don’t care if they live or die, basically.
Oaf takers
When you have gipsies who are you gonna call,.....GESTAPO!!!!!
Majority of people dont know what gypsies are . We live of the land and people were living like those for hundreds of years before the ownership of lands. If the council see it as such a problem then they should make more effort to build sites even if they are owned by the council , gypsy lifestyle should not be compromised just because other people dont like it and it offends them. Straight up racism, split with my misses because she tried to challenge me on my gypsy heritage, it's the irish giving us lot the bad name
I know this is old but I'll take a chance. I'm confused by the word "racism". I know it's a social construct but as someone biracial how are "travellers" or "gypsies" a race. I thought they were a culture. -Confused American :/
@@lauriesantiago9543 no not true at all it's in the bloodline. Romany gypsies usually have thick brown hair, short legs and broad shoulders. While the Irish gypsies usually have lighter hair ,skinnier and alot more mouthy. But yeah most people make the same mistake as you and quite frustrating because of the stigma and pure ignorance towards our people. I mean I kinda guess its partly our fault , we created a whole other language so that none gypsies (gorjas) couldn't understand us , very private people .
@@lauriesantiago9543 roma are a race from Pakistan the Irish are from ireland
Gypsies are just homeless people. Living off the land is just taking stuff from other peoples property. You definitely wouldnt pay rent if the gov made sites if you would you would go to an already existing caravan site. Not a race saying that gives you a bad name.
Romany have our roots in India, it's in our DNA. We are the ethnic minority.
Irish Travellers are just Irish people who travel.
Mogardy lot.
You do know that's a gypsy word 😂🤣🤣
Is you gypsy mush and these ain't mokadi fokey mush proper old romanys these is that's how us gypsys were back then but one thing we wernt is mokadi fokey we ain't chikly one bit
A parody of Br*ish accents ... P.S. "Gypsies" are of "Indian" origin 😂
You don't hear many women speaking like that anymore with the plumb in the mouth imitating the Queen, saying off as orf. Must have taken years of elocution lessons to talk in that fake upper class accent, thank god it's died out now apart from the Queen and even she doesn't sound as posh
They Lie like a cheap chinese watch
Really am romani and what do you know come to my camp and see
The reason Kent it’s the bread basket of Britain, and let’s face it it’s the Gypsies that do the work for crap pay the posh won’t do it, it’s still the same today God Bless all the traveler’s.
Kent is also "The Garden of England", but once the gypos (or pykees) finished trashing the land they decide to legal/illegally park on, that beautiful Kent countryside is ruined.
Made me laugh that gypo man calling the commentator "Sir".
Clearly he either wants his money or is trying to present as a respectful person.
Next time you pass an illegal gypsy encampment, take a look at all the rubbish lying around and then ask yourself if they're 'respectful'!
Good old racism and hate for unconventional ways of life.
It isn’t racism.
@Rob I'm Romani so they already are.
@Rob you're in luck Rob. 85% of Romany live in settled houses, flats etc. May even be your neighbours
@@rainbowradicals5372 In that case he wouldn't even bat an eye at them, seems like a useless comment to make because what people consider gypsy/romani are these people not the ones who have adjusted to normal society.
@@patriciakeats1621 yes it is just cause we not african its not racist
Get up there boy.
(Pat Hornsby-Smith was a fine MP, by the way)
Sounds like it