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cant u craft mag buck?
Expectation: 6 shots to kill ez
Reality: *mag dump* HE'S STILL ALIVE
don't stop shooting fr
Adrenalin wasn't a myth moment
I'm waiting for PP-19 Bizon to ruin someone's day with 64 rounds of SP7
The bizon fires very slowly it's unlikely of being very good, not to even mention being better than the Kedr or Klin.
This 100%
Itll be in 9x19 not 9x18
I can't wait to run around like in csgo with that thing.
@@elflordyt6830the bizon is originally chambered in 9x18 so that’s most likely what it’s going to be
Sad that we have a go to of leg meta instead of adding a vitals hitbox and keeping realistic plates.
Adding vitals is too much work for bsg
Bro, don't get me started on realism when lip balm will allow you to sprint on broken bones. We now tried "realistic" plates and the majority of the player base hated it so BSG reverted it.
@@NielsenNielsen Sometimes you need a touch of it or you end up with the absurdity of a rifle round directly through your chest being less lethal than some buckshot scraping your armpit.
@@Jackpkmn Don't get me wrong, although I didn't say it in my previous post I did actually like the "realistic" hitboxes for the armor, made the game more unique. In a perfect world I'd like to see both that system and vital areas. Doubt we ever have that in tarkov. But overall players didn't like the "realistic" plates.
Agreed, gzw has the best trauma/health system in gaming.
You forgot the 366 ammo. The AK 209 is extremely easy to spam without any mods.
easier to just slap AP-M and thorax'd someone
Semiauto rifles are not good for leg meta
aint no way you forgot the ks-23 shrap 10 kneecapitator classic giga!
Knee shredder, it is less accessible tho
It doesn't one tap to the leg and the pump takes forever it's only really good if you have star rounds chambered up top
TRUE THAT IS ONE SHOT XD
@@mrsaltydino4817 If you hit all pellets it does 696 damage which does one shot
@Prushka yeah but I haven't been able to do it unless they were nude and I just thorax them I haven't seen it one tap on a leg this wipe
18:15 Holy height-over-bore Batman 😂
Leg meta is always reliable it was just not as needed with the previous rework - always great to farm salt with too
I hated the armor rework so much that in the next wipe I'll play exclusively with leg ammo to farm salt from the players who praised the change because they want this game to have a CoD-like time-to-kill, but right now I can't be arsed because it's already so late into the wipe.
It's ironic. The "CoD zoomers" in this game wanted it to have a 30 seconds time-to-kill so they could keep sprinting all around their raids without being careful, so they defended any change to the previous armor system (even if it's a bad change like the one we got), but now the game is evolving into a leg meta once again as a counter to the overpowered armor which is now arguably lowering the time-to-kill compared to how the game was before the armor rework, at least in the situations where players aren't shooting at each other from behind cover when legs are usually not exposed.
The solution for the issue has already been proposed. Players need a vital hitbox centered on their chest so armor plates can be effective without having such ridiculous large hitboxes, but since that solution is more complex than simply increasing the size of armor plates then BSG just took the easy approach and made the game worse because of it.
@daaaavidz I disagree. Your telling me you enjoyed dying to a ai cause he hit you in the upper chest with sp7 I understand the vital hit boxes but to be Frank with the new armor I feel like my money is actually invested into something and works now do I think availability of tier 5 plates should be more limited yes but as of now I feel like the armor feels good at least if I get one tapped it's in the head. Which is where I only aim for because with even meh ammo most people aren't wearing face masks cough cough cqcm. But if you hit people in the face they still go down. Aiming for legs just makes your aim worse imo
100% agree
@@mrsaltydino4817 The thing u need to understand is that before the latest update the armour was working as inteded and it protected you and was worth the moeny you paid too. You need to understand that plate carriers and armour vests are meant to protect you when everything else failed. You should use cover and concealment to increase survivability. If you are found in the open you nmade a mistake and the vest is there to cover your vitals which is what BSG should have incluided. Do not use armour as cover, use cover as cover and armour as armour. Everyone that did not enjoy the previous armour hitboxes is because they do not use cover or concealment which is this milsim harcore game you definately should. This is not cod.
Well clearly youre either too young, or too dumb to understand what the word "nuance" means, or youre just intentionally arguing in very poor faith to make your god awful opinion seem "correct". I have never seen anyone ask for anything even remotely close to your gross exaggeration of a "30 second TTK" for the so called "cod zoomers"(which is ironic, since id wager most of the people who wanted armor to actually do something, were older, veterans of the game lul), people simply wanted armor to do something, and for you to be rightfully rewarded for wearing high tier armor, and using high tier ammo(whereas before, it largely did not matter if you used a cheap kit with cheap ammo, or you used top tier gear)...you know, have gear/ammo progression actually mean something?
It was incredibly easy(in fact it took literally 0 mechanical skill, especially with the recoil changes) to use ANY ammo out of ANY gun and just spray center mass and end up dropping someone in a second because it was incredibly common for 1-2 rounds to evade hitting the plate hitbox(which is all you needed, even if you were running easily accessible, cheap af ammo), rendering whatever armor that person was using, effectively useless. I cant count how many times I was 1 tapped to the thorax by rounds that should never 1 tap me through a level 6 plate+lvl 3 aramid, but they routinely did because the plate hitbox was so small. Now, aim is rewarded(hitting headshots) more, as well as using higher tier gear/ammo too, AND you can achieve a similar TTK as someone using BiS gear even if you dont have access to max traders, by simply using flesh rounds+leg meta'ing people. That is objectively far more balanced than it was before. Now, you have timmys and people with dogshit aim who are mad because they cant use piss gear and ammo, and still 1 tap peoples thorax's with any random centermass spray, completely negating what gear theyre wearing...boo fucking hoo, what a concept, they made mechanical skill and aim actually matter in an FPS??
@@mrsaltydino4817 I'm not denying the problem with RNG letting flesh ammo often ignore armor with previous plates, what I'm saying is that the solution that BSG addopted to solve this issue was terrible and made the game even worse, with PMCs being considerably more tanky now than they were back in Tarkov 0.13 when many people already considered them too tanky.
Instead of coming up with a proper solution, like adding a new vital organ hitbox at the center of the torso, and then making a blacked torso no longer causing death, BSG simply increased the size of the hitboxes because tha required almost no effort from their part. Now we are all paying for their lazyness and things will only get worse in the next wipe, because right now the consequence of the armor changes isn't in full effect because most players have access to high penetration ammo this late into the wipe.
The guy that talked Russian was talking to you and he was asking you to not shoot at him in a very chill manner
Sad 😔
I started late this wipe and I used only SP7 and .45 RIP for the first 45 levels. Before the armor update I would just aim for their neck area and they dropped pretty quick. After the change, I switched to legs and it still performs really strong.
If you use 900+ rpm I can usually win fights against 308 players and 7.62x39 BP. (Assuming they don’t one tap me) 556 still got me pretty often though just due to the fire rate and lower recoil.
How do you get .45 rip so early??
@@garrettjudkins499 I bought it on the flea, I also did broadcast at like lvl 28 or something.
17:16 BRO DIDN'T DO STIRRUP YET??
It doesn't lead to anything so it arguably isn't worth doing.
Yeah I stopped bothering doing that quest lol, this wipe I've been extremely lazy with Questing after level 42 😅
I knew the Vector 45 was gonna win because whenever I did lower level Leg Meta I could even just use the regular FMG and win fights, absolutely my favorite gun. Will be terrifying if they ever give us bigger mags
20:52 I'm pretty sure the guy speaking russian was saying "Ne Strelyet/не стреляйте" = meaning "Don't shoot"
he was trying to be friends 😭
Meanwhile I totally dislike the last armor change.
545 556 and even .300blk feels like nerf guns…
Even 762 PP and sometimes BP didn’t do the job… with the lower rpm’s on the 762 aks it takes to long to put ppl down.
M62/61 or Hybrid are the only thing that works reliable for me atm…
I'm going back and forth on it. It feels really inconsistent to me.
@@ItIsYouAreNotYour exactly…
Yesterdays me and my friends played BF4 on HC server (60%HP) 3-5shot kill… even this felt better than tarky right now 🤣
I wonder if they'll add exotic shotgun ammo types like DOOM (It's literally birdshot, buckshot, and a slug in 1 shot)
Adar with warmage... take it or leave it
Good to see you remembered the 18C - it's an excellent way to make your sidearm more useful in a panic-mode situation, since pulling out your pistol and spraying wildly is what pretty much happens anyway when you're out of primary ammo.
I think the 100 rounders for the STNAG guns with warmageddon deserves more than an honorable mention. 7 shots to kill is nothing to sneeze at when you have 100 in the mag, being able to just keep firing forever if you use a lower rpm gun like the MDR can deal additional psychic damage as you just keep shooting forever from the perspective of your target. This can keep you safe as you push a target gun already blazing. Plus warmageddon is cheaper than dirt and be had for rock bottom prices on fence due to a quest giving you like 12 boxes people wanting to get rid of it so selling it to fence without unboxing it.
Also you can use 5.56 HP too, and the price is so cheap that i dont even bother to put it in secure container and just use spare space to put more meds. Work wonder when you blast dem knee of Level 5 armor chad.
I can feel the leg meta coming inside of me
Pause
🤨🤨🤨
Leg Meta? StankRat would like a word.
Leg Meta is the most satisfying playstyle in the game.
Leg meta never truly goes away. Nikita can nerf our ks23 or make damage outputs different but we’ll always survive.
Kedr user: I'm living under Nikita bed, haunting him with leg meta everynight 😂😂😂
Leg meta isn't better or worse than before, it's just that it's sometimes the only thing you can use if you have shit ammo due to the bad rework of armor.
You forgot the inescapable fact about 99% Tarkov gun fights.
You both get one shot.
Who ever hits the face wins.
But hay, thats worth 200$
Last time I played EFT was on summer 2023, when was the fragmentation on bullet removed ? And what is Nikita's reasoning for removing it ?
RNG, it was confusing or broken in several ways (frag couldn't happen on thorax/stomach, frag couldn't happen for ammo under a certain pen value even if it had 100% frag chance).
@@umbrella4407 I'm 100% I was frag more than once on the torax (but it was by scav AI if it matters) do we know if they plan on fixing it and putting it again or is it gone forever ? Thanks for the clarification btw
@@Killer2Croc The "frag only happens on limbs" might have been a PMC V PMC thing only. I don't remember. Nikita just said in a Q&A that they are removing it, it's hard to tell, but at least I got the impression it is going away permanently. Perhaps they will rework it at some point, but considering how long the old system was around with the weird bugs I doubt it.
We are back to leg meta it appears... The cicle once again starts again. COD players will now complain that leg meta is too strong as they have already compleined about old armour sistem. BSG increases recoild once again and nerfs ammo... people complain, bsg buffs everything and ads the promissed features of realistic armour hitboxes, people complain, so they add cod armour as we have now, cod players then complain about the game being too real (even though this is the point really). BSG buffs armour to cover all body and legs.... rats go to feet meta XD. BSG is a joke. they should just stick to the realistic armour hitboxes and add vitals... the game would be perfectly balanced as it was with all ammo and all armour viable.... but no, BSG must keep COD players and streamers happy
Just the streamers, nikita gives no f's for cod players
90 rnds 9mm to get Tagilla today. Everything blacked out but head and thorax.
Just a really satisfying video to watch and thankful you went though the time to test out HTKs
I really enjoy doing off colored metas so I've doing leg meta for a few years and It just a consice, clear video with examples.
Also I think leg meta is great for ratting/camping as you stop people who are out in the open as you tear into theirs legs, tho that's probably not most spicy footage
The mp9-N would be a solid mention tho the ammo craft is alot worse so it's not as viable
And personally I prefer the longer less recoil / more accurate shotguns with a laser so I can stay on target better but tbh Magnum buckshot can be pretty rough to leg meta at times due to recoil, longer reloads and spread dependence
I'm a personal fan of (head, throat) meta
wouldn't really call it updated system, more a return to how it used to be
Not mentioning the MP9-N with it's 1100 RPM and how cheap it is?
damn.
R37.F has to be the most underrated cartridge in the game - it is disappointing they took the cheap P90 barter away because that made it unbeatable!
try a RPD + HP. Crazy range for leg meta, easily available ammo and gun, No worrys about recoil, massive ammo capacity
I tried the m4 since it have better RPM and considering easier to mod thank to recoil rework, i just take a 60 recoil M4 and blast dem leg with it😂
I think definitely ash 12 is like a 3 shot with that one ammo i forgot
gigabeef please test for us .300blackout whisper -5recoil +20 heavy bleed and its on Jaeger lvl1 or V-Max -10recoil on Skier lvl 2 with 60 or 100rounders sprays for days :D
watching to support you, tarkov is dead to me
No mp9-n with 9mm rip? 1100rpm of almost no recoil for a cheap price?
does leg meta even work in PVE? dont scavs have random hp pools so by adjancent the "pmc" also get them
Legs got blacked at 17:24 but still able to keep sprinting for a second or two longer. No painkiller active. Is this a bug or a new hidden feature? I thought blacked legs would instantly bring your PMC to a halt. Interesting.
Only one was blacked
@@m4j0r3x but even with one blacked leg, it's not possible to sprint anymore, right?
PS12A and Ultra Nosler seem overlooked a lot.
Fire rates for all the weapons that use it are too low for leg meta.
Is sp7 still on prapor 2 or is it quest locked
for the P90 since u can craft the L191 would that not make it a good choice it does pen and okay damage?
ks-23?
I have been using RIP and a Vector and MOWING people down it’s so good!
so many pistol timmies T . T
I miss the ks23 one shot kill meta
w00t new giga! posting for the rhythm
yes yes acp vector is the best after recoil rework
Wait didn't they fix the passthrough or did they reduce it back?
How does one enable the high contrast (green) character bar on the UI.
Change health in settings to polychrome
@@darqen271 Thank you good sir.
Me mention of the ks-23 im very sad
Leg meta been there for ever my guy 😂
a .45 vector with rip rounds. 1,100 rpm is 18.3 rounds per second, rip .45 is 130 damage per round, 130 damage multiplied by 18.3 is 2,383 damage per second. *vector go brrrrt*
only the veterans know what real leg meta used to be - three shot kill against full armored juggernauts, because ANY damage to a blacked out limb would instantly kill you.
miss those days, Tarkov is dead anyways.
dont you have to get only head hp down to 0 for the kill? instead of full hp?
Thx for the ASH shoutout! :D
With the new rework, would rhere be a place for a stomach/groin meta ? It would mean making sure that the enemy does not have stomach spft armor but could be even better in some cases !
The korund level 5 plates cover that area, so it is a big no for stomach/groin meta.
@@quangnhat5345 I'm pretty it does not anymore, they've made all plates have the same hitbox and that's the issue. But it would be something to verify.
@@quangnhat5345 I'm pretty it does not anymore, they've made all plates have the same hitbox and that's the issue. But it would be something to verify.
Bring back the old health system!!! 1.5, 1, .7. have you tested fragmentation recently?
It's not in the game anymore
Is there any hope of draining down armor durability with 12/70 Dual Sabot Slug (65% armor damage (=AP20) x 2 bullets (pellets) applied consequently)?
Armor damage is a percent based on the pen, so for dual sabot they do 11 armor damage each (22 if both hit) and ap20 does 24 armor damage. Its a really misleading stat and it would be nice if they just listed the raw armor damage.
And that's just the raw armor damage - it then depends on the pen (a second time) and the armor class too, so it does different amounts to different armors. That's with taking material into account of course - indeed a very confusing stat
Why am I watching this I don’t even own a computer
They changed the leg damage reduction from 50% back to 30%? You sure you didn't make a mistake?
I refuse to believe they actually un-fucked some of the game, not after 3 years of bad updates.
Am I crazy/misunderstanding the math at 1:35? How is 70% of 375 = 536 and not 262.5 meaning a total received damage of 327.5 (65 from the leg and the remaining damage reduced by 70%)?
You can look at it two ways, either reduce the damage of the bullet and calculate the hits to 440 hp
OR you can calculate the "effective hp" of a PMC via the legs by adding the 30% on top. This lets you figure out the raw damage that you need to do.
To reduce the bullets damage by 30% you'd x0.7, so to work out the EHP we need to divide the remaining health by 0.7 to get to the full number.
Qualitatively, the damage reduction = more shots to kill, so the raw damage needed for a leg kill MUST go up and be more than 440
@@Gigabeef Thank you for the clarification and explanation! I love your content and always learn something new.
Minute 9.45 dude nice kill have fun with Our stuff #Sooos #st1tch
Why aren't we multiplying by 70% at the beginning?
Sp7 in my aps with 2 spare mags on every loadout
Why? Cause its cheaper than running some of these flashlights and the times where it makes a difference pay for the luxury of having an emergency mini kedr
Me: a PvE player still watching to learn!
you look like linus tech tips
did leg meta ever go away?
regarding 9mm rip, can't you still buy the loose packets for a relatively cheap barter?
If you're talking about the green tea barter from Jaeger, they got rid of it.
@@christianr.b.6074 booooo
mind you opening all those packets was a pita, could have done with adjustments to the packet like with the m882 packs
Hk. Warmag. 100rd mags
Do the AI PMC have the same health pool as players?
no
What in the paid actor
Mp9-N ? its cheap even suppressed and 1100RPM firerate
Its late wipe, THERE ARE NO CASUALS 🤣🤣🤣🤣
bro so many nakeds in factory wtf
Why did you largely only focus on weapons that are only effective in short ranges...? The idea that leg meta is only viable using SMGs/shotguns from close range isnt reality. Did you completely forget about the fact 556 rounds like Warmaggedon exist, and .300 whisper? Or Ultra Nosler out of a SA58? All of those rounds are pretty comparable to RIP damage wise, except you can engage targets from a further distance and more accurately when using an HK, MCX, or SA58(not to mention, larger mag capacity). If you dont have max traders, you can still easily go that route and achieve a very similar TTK as someone using high pen ammo. Also, early wipe before people are running CQCM masks and bastion slaps(I mean, shouldnt really be aiming for the helmet if you can help it anyway) commonly, it doesnt really matter if youre using high pen ammo or not, if you hit people in the throat/face, they WILL die regardless of what ammo youre using. People just want to use any excuse for why they cant kill people who are better at the game than them, and who are using better gear than they are too. If people dont like Aim and mechanical skill mattering, and what gear/ammo they use to matter, then theyre playing the wrong game and theyre beyond helping. The fact is a lot of the people complaining are people who want to be able to randomly spray centermass and drop some1 in 1 second using any shit ammo AKA they dont want skill to be a significant deciding factor in the game, nor do they want gear to matter at all...they think theyre entitled to killing people who are much more skilled, and much better equipped because...reasons?
leg meta? you mean rat stuff. #RatsOnTop #ForTheGeneral.
yes any no people don't aim for any thorax or legs here
how can you think that the game is more uneven than ever after the armour changes but still think it's ok? I think you are losing touch with general player base honestly.
Sounds like a Timmy.
@@NamNam-mj8xj not sure what you mean?
It's almost like people can have differing opinions and preferences 🤔
Leg meta is not a way to play the game like this. Its more like a workaround. Armor change is crap making meta very tight and 90% of content pointless.
Armor is not the problem, the problem is everyone can run level 5/6 armour while you can only get 40ish pen ammo at best
@@impc8265 If you remove class 5 and 6 then streamers are gonna cry again how anyone can kill them in 3-4 hits and "armor does not work". same thing if you make more 50+ pen ammo available. even if nothing will be done and all the timmies will just spam garbage gear with shotguns and camp kneecaps of chads, those chads will cry so loud about how its unfair that their 10h a day grind does not make them completely invulnerable.
we had all of those issues with ammo and armor before. thx to some talking heads from twitch we have it back again. this time though, with addition of pve i suspect that a lot of players, who does not want to participate in that meta powerlevelling race, will just stick to pve and pvp servers will die out exremely fast after every wipe, with no players outside of dorms and reserve bunker.
it works lol i had an mp9 with quake maker and i won a gun broad on broad with it and the other guy had a meta m4. there's no wrong way to play this game you can do whatever the hell you want
How do people perceive armor working as a bad thing?
people complained armor didnt work cuz it flat out didnt and felt like shit no matter what you wore you would get arm pitted
no matter what you wore guy in corner killed you in less than .2 seconds
now the TTK is slightly longer and more reliant on headshots ohhh no my M4 with bad ammo doesnt kill people in lvl 6 armor.... it does you just need to headshot them
the kink mask is the only real problem cuz then you can ONLY kill them if you have 40+ pen and you hit a double headshot
You still get throat shot you still get killed from the side mega fast you still die to the buttcheeks
@@kinsgaming8197 go back to cod
Leg meta ? More like realistic combat imagine if wound limb amputation or semi amputation was simulated then fights would look different unpleasant yes im aware but damn that will be interesting to see the cruelty of playera amd the horors of armed combat in a game. Crawling soft limbed or cut limbed chads and newbies alike missing both head limb and chest cavity in factory, that place in 15 mins the way people run it (mostly naked sometimes ) would be a blood bath guts everywhere
level 15 for flea market is so lame. i’m level 10 and i’ve got 15 mil stash value and a bunch of roubles but i can’t buy anything good. this game is supposed to be realistic you’re telling me my money is less green cause im a level 10? mf racists.
Its pretty cancer tbh. Literally just gated by terrible ammo cuz i cant use the flea.
ASH-12???????? litterally 3 shots in a leg cuz one bullets does 165 damage (PS12A). good video though i will finish it later.
also 23 views in 3 minutes gigabeef fell off.
Not to mention the % chance for a heavy bleed. Everyone seems to forget that when talking about ammo. Being able to tear someone up and give them 3 heavy bleeds is huge in a corner to corner fight because they will want to retreat but can't heal because you are so close, if they do you can catch them in the act. If they hold off from healing they will just bleed out.
@@v4lhulme in that case any chad will just use zagustin + etg. It won't restore the blacked out legs of course, but they will still be at around 380 or 310 hp. Late wipe leg meta is feast or famine, you either kill them with a clean burst or get farmed yourself. With all that being said, leg meta is still legit at any stage of the game.
First?
when its reduced by 30% you should multiply by 0.7 not divide, your math its wrong in the video
Damage is reduced by 30% which = x0.7 yes, but to work out how much raw damage you need to do you take the HP and divide by 0.7 to get back to the total. Otherwise the damage gets smaller via legs not bigger, which makes no sense
That's exactly how it is... NOT! This video is just theorycrafting, completely detached from the reality of the game. A lot of hits are not registered, which is the reality in the game. It's always better to aim with high-penetration ammo at spots that require only a few registered hits for a kill instead of hoping that out of a potential 400 damage per shot, more than 80 damage actually reaches the target every 2-3 shots.
the problem is that you don't have access to high pen ammo while everyone is running tier 6, get a brain maybe
any hit registry issues would affect all ammo types equally. I think you're just missing
@@Tranztopoleez Yes... that's exactly what I wrote... maybe try reading more than just the first three words?
@@impc8265 And that's why you don't engage in close combat with better-equipped players. Legmeta will get you nowhere, the only thing you'll achieve with it is taking down Timys. But you could have taken them down with a club as well. Legmeta is BS! Grow a brain. If you don't have good ammo, keep your distance!!
@@donjonson1748 You said it's better to use high-pen ammo but if you watched the video, he's comparing relatively equal time-to-kills with each ammo type, the amount of hits not being registered with either type would equate to the same chance of failure
For how much you are mentioning TTK you never actually shown us any. All you showed was shots to kill not TIME to kill. Considering the time is the defining factor here, it shouldnt have been ommited.
Because you have to assume all are hits, which they won't be in most cases or collect data from hundreds of fights which isn't realistic. If you're prepared to assume all rounds hit. time to kill = rounds to kill ÷ rpm of weapon × 60
Exactly. Its the common procedure to assume all rounds hit when we are talking TTK. My problem here is why mention "TTK" specificaly multiple times throughout the video without actually giving us THAT statistic.
Hewwo :3
Streamer lobbies LOL
if ur placing urself below a "chad" u already lost
Sounds like something a dead Chad would say
@@jonathanviera3466 "chads" arent real bro
0:32 Magum buck is everything but low recoil😂?
??
He said that it only meets 1 of the 3 criteria - HIGH DAMAGE
Do you watch videos all the way through before you comment?
only losers use the leg meta
you already know im running the kedr
It looks like there will be a wave of tarkov wannabe this year and next, will you do review of them?