Separates sound better to my ears. More channel separation, larger soundstage, more dynamics, better panning effects and more details in the sound effects of a movie. More effective transitions from quiet scenes to dynamic content and back.
I just replaced old outlaw audio 975 processor with a sr5015. It's bit warmer, mostly better in other ways. That said, if you're just using either for preamp such as me, the price difference is astounding, I'm going to guess the sonic differences aren't as astounding. Unless you're a baller which I am not, if you are I salute you and get the processor. My setup is ml 60xt, svs sub and outlaw amps. I have not heard a receiver including the arcams that can power cleanly the way the m2200 amps can.
Got my amplifier 6 months ago but I like to think my pre-pro is stuck in one of those container ships by Cali ports. (I know chip shortage might be the primary cause… )
Puting the power aside. If you get a receiver with all channels available via preouts and use an external amps on all channels vs a processor with amp , do you get any meaningful improvement ?
Hey guys - what about the new Denons with the pre-out mode that shuts off all internal amplification? How significant of a difference would the performance be vs a lets say, Marantz processor for double the price?
Shutting off amplifiers is a step in the right direction, specifically with thermal management, and reinforces the superiority of separates by doing so. Separates from Marantz (or Denon, actually) will be more selective in all aspects of their design from parts to signal path. I think the tricky part is they "look" the same externally, but inside it's a different ballgame!
While allot of this seems true.... There is allot not being talked about... Or in better terms, build/layout.... Most home theaters are small'ish rooms... You also have to consider the components(amps/processor(s) and their footprint...(form-factor..heat...UPS..etc..) Within your cabinet/rack space.... Surrounds and Atmos have very little data and amplification is nothing compared to timing/balance... IMO...unless you have a full out 50x50, tiered theater space... A cost effective (but higher end) AVR can handle your needs....
Many true statements here. Every properly-designed system has numerous factors that are individual to the space, listening habits, preferences, and of course the room itself. But, this is why we strive in taking the time to get all of that dialed in!
Should also mention, we do cover acoustics and touch on room build a bit here: czcams.com/video/V2xBPKOmftQ/video.html&ab_channel=DreamediaHomeTheater Also, check this one out: czcams.com/video/6NoeVcd5G_0/video.html&ab_channel=DreamediaHomeTheater Trust me, all of this is addressed with every consultation! We appreciate your feedback!
@@royaldecreeforthechurchofm8409 a Toyota has the same number of wheels as a Ferrari so should they be the same price? It's not about the number of parts but the quality of the parts and the engineering that goes into delivering the best performance. If it truly was just a matter of removing the amps then what would be the purpose of that? AVRs are in sort a compromise because it is trying to do 2 different things. When you remove "the compromise" the processor can be left to do what it does best and most efficiently without the restrictions imposed by the amp...that's what you are paying the extra for.
If you buy a processor, you don’t need a receiver, but you need an amplifier. A receiver is an all in one solution (processing and amplification); a processor, is just that, and “separately” requires amplification.
correct, but then you need amps. the idea of separates is to take the main functions of the receiver ( processing and amplification) and break them up into separate devices that will do the job better. So you either buy one receiver or atleast one processer and one amplifier.
Separates sound better to my ears. More channel separation, larger soundstage, more dynamics, better panning effects and more details in the sound effects of a movie. More effective transitions from quiet scenes to dynamic content and back.
I just replaced old outlaw audio 975 processor with a sr5015. It's bit warmer, mostly better in other ways. That said, if you're just using either for preamp such as me, the price difference is astounding, I'm going to guess the sonic differences aren't as astounding. Unless you're a baller which I am not, if you are I salute you and get the processor. My setup is ml 60xt, svs sub and outlaw amps. I have not heard a receiver including the arcams that can power cleanly the way the m2200 amps can.
Got my amplifier 6 months ago but I like to think my pre-pro is stuck in one of those container ships by Cali ports. (I know chip shortage might be the primary cause… )
Puting the power aside. If you get a receiver with all channels available via preouts and use an external amps on all channels vs a processor with amp , do you get any meaningful improvement ?
What about your tv hdmi as far as getting separates?
Hey guys - what about the new Denons with the pre-out mode that shuts off all internal amplification? How significant of a difference would the performance be vs a lets say, Marantz processor for double the price?
Shutting off amplifiers is a step in the right direction, specifically with thermal management, and reinforces the superiority of separates by doing so. Separates from Marantz (or Denon, actually) will be more selective in all aspects of their design from parts to signal path. I think the tricky part is they "look" the same externally, but inside it's a different ballgame!
Wish he had “named names.” What processors to avoid?
What av processor brands and amplifier brands do you recommend
hi dreamedie i have a Integra 4.3 receivrr how can i use my preouts as separates
While allot of this seems true.... There is allot not being talked about... Or in better terms, build/layout....
Most home theaters are small'ish rooms...
You also have to consider the components(amps/processor(s) and their footprint...(form-factor..heat...UPS..etc..) Within your cabinet/rack space....
Surrounds and Atmos have very little data and amplification is nothing compared to timing/balance...
IMO...unless you have a full out 50x50, tiered theater space... A cost effective (but higher end) AVR can handle your needs....
Many true statements here. Every properly-designed system has numerous factors that are individual to the space, listening habits, preferences, and of course the room itself. But, this is why we strive in taking the time to get all of that dialed in!
Should also mention, we do cover acoustics and touch on room build a bit here:
czcams.com/video/V2xBPKOmftQ/video.html&ab_channel=DreamediaHomeTheater
Also, check this one out:
czcams.com/video/6NoeVcd5G_0/video.html&ab_channel=DreamediaHomeTheater
Trust me, all of this is addressed with every consultation! We appreciate your feedback!
Why are processors so expensive?
Processor are a superior dedicated unit that does only processing. Did you watch the the video? We go in detail why they are superior to receivers.
@@Dreamediaav but it should be cheaper as it has half the parts.
@@royaldecreeforthechurchofm8409 a Toyota has the same number of wheels as a Ferrari so should they be the same price? It's not about the number of parts but the quality of the parts and the engineering that goes into delivering the best performance. If it truly was just a matter of removing the amps then what would be the purpose of that? AVRs are in sort a compromise because it is trying to do 2 different things. When you remove "the compromise" the processor can be left to do what it does best and most efficiently without the restrictions imposed by the amp...that's what you are paying the extra for.
Russian translation subtitles please
So if you buy a processor you don’t need a receiver? Noob here! I’m lost
If you buy a processor, you don’t need a receiver, but you need an amplifier.
A receiver is an all in one solution (processing and amplification); a processor, is just that, and “separately” requires amplification.
correct, but then you need amps. the idea of separates is to take the main functions of the receiver ( processing and amplification) and break them up into separate devices that will do the job better. So you either buy one receiver or atleast one processer and one amplifier.