Why The $100K Patek Phillipe 5711 Nautilus Is Disappointing.
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The Patek Philippe 5711 Blue Dial Is Terribly Underwhelming. I go through why that is the case in this video along with a hands on of the watch.
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Finally someone said it ! Great investigative journalism. What other alleged “ grails” are also underwhelming in real life ?
Thanks. This topic actually got me thinking whether a lot of people actually don’t care for the 5711 as a timepiece. If that’s the case then it’s intriguing how the status can feed itself.
It is a spectacular watch, It is thin because it was meant to be, but still WR 120m, the dial is gorgeous. Fantastic watch, the design, it´s versatility, and all that in steel, Great!!!.
Fair enough!
Very well said. This watch is completely overhyped. I personally like the look of it, but concede that the movement is far too basic for Patek. The bracelet is a bit of a let down compared to the Royal Oak and the price is....well. It is a rare watch at retail, but somehow ubiquitous on social media. Hence the pathetic price differential from sanity.
Thanks Asim. I was extremely hyped to get my hands on it and then the experience was pretty deflating. But what I’m really curious about is how this doesn’t happen to others or how many manage to skip the “basic-ness” of the watch.
The “gold-standard” Patek is their perpetual calendar chronograph (5270 currently), it’s what they’re actually known for in the high-horology world, and it’s roughly the same price as the 5711 right now. This shows that it’s not the “patek” brand but the status symbol that this singular watch has become. The AP royal oak 15202 is the same, although at least it was revolutionary being the first steel luxury sports/dress watch.
I completely agree. Patek have some of the best to offer in the world of horology but its not the 5711. In a way that's great for the rest of the enthusiasts but the 5711 hype unfortunately is pushing everything else up slowly.
Having owned one for 15 years I can absolutely agree! Ended up selling it, it became too valuable to casually wear, I switched to a Portuguese and now I’m not stressed about it.
I have this watch and I`m afraid to wear it around people in green!
You are spot on with your take. Is quite underwelming for such a hyped watch. Guess is the branding that push it to that level.
Thanks mate. I wasn’t expecting to dislike any part of it but once I got hands on with it, it was clearly much less deserving of the hype.
Epic! LOL...you're definitely not getting on the waiting list then
Ahah I couldn’t even try!
I disagree about not telling the difference in finishing between the Patek and Seiko movements, I saw a massive difference. The seiko movement used Geneva stripes to make the movement shiny but all the other parts were untouched and it didn’t have anglage, but yes Patek is very overrated
You’re right. There’s much more to finishing than just polishing. Patek makes much more aesthetically pleasing movements.
@StandardTime, You are obviously not a capitalist! The first and best known principle of which is the answer to your frequently asked question: Supply and demand.
There simply aren't enough of these '70's designed, old watches to go around. Which has pushed the price up, causing artificial inflation, which is very alluring. Apparently. 😂
Having said that, as someone who appreciates iconic '70's designs, I'd have one in a heart beat. To compare it to a clunky old '50's style, heavy weight, unrefined and comparitively mass produced, mainstream, tired and boring looking 'dive' watch, is a bit of a joke really. The only thing they share in common, is the hype and current over pricing. Plenty of old school heavy bezzeled 'diver' type watches out there but just the one Nautilus.❤
Honest channel . I really appreciate u sir g ❤
I understand what you're saying, but I'm afraid you have misunderstood the relationship between price, quality, value, demand, supply and desirability. In a capitalist system, the price of an object, eg 5711, is not determined by its value or even its quality. If its supply fails to meet demand, its price will rise until it does. That's why the 5711 costs the amount it does. So, perhaps the real question is: why is there such high demand? Or why is it so desirable? Now, that is not subject to logical analysis. Conversely, if nobody wants it tomorrow, it will be as cheap as a Seiko!
Yep I agree. I understand those aspects and I am able see it in most high end watches. It’s just this piece shockingly fell far below my expectations which had me confused about why anyone would find it desirable. Contrastingly, I made a video on the RM 005 recently and I completely understood these characteristics in that watch.
Hey man, if you could do different videos such as "best watches under $300" that would be nice. Otherwise, nice job, I like the videos and just subscribed!
Thanks for subscribing Federico! and great suggestion as well :) Will try to do an interesting one since almost everyone has made - “the best watches under $x”.
Tell me the thickness of that Invicta and the thickness of any other watch sub 9mm, which has more power reserve, better accuracy than Patek (better finishing isn't even possible)
To me the 5711 blue dial is the best watch in the world. But it’s about of this perfect design as much as all the incredible story behind. It’s also the number one watch for the real collector. It’s like a Picasso. You don’t want it to be anything else. If you want a Rolex, go for it. They’re also amazing collecting watches (Daytona ceramic is the best value)
I don’t get the point to compare to other watches. It’s like comparing a Tesla with a Ferrari. Of course the Ferrari is less practical and will cost you a lot more. But who will prefer a Tesla?!
When I first got into watches I didn't like the 5711 with the blue dial. I thought damn this watch is way to boring being this expensive. But a few years later this has also became my favorite watch. Just simply beautiful. It's the same with Porsche. Didn't like them at first but with time comes wiseness.
Hey, have you got your hands on a Royal Oak 15500ST or the 15400ST? Are they similarly underwhelming?
I haven’t had hands on with those two models, however I did experience the chrono (26331ST) so I could comment on the bracelet and general tactility. Although it is quite a different watch. I was pleasantly surprised by the in-hand feel of the bracelet. It was slightly lighter than I expected but the watch did exude quality. One thing though: the bracelet is slightly sharp due to its angular links. Aesthetically, the bracelet was miles ahead of the 5711. Also felt less dainty.
own one.. yes
5711 is quite a basic watch
but it's movement polishing & engravings definitely better than GS
My man is destroying a 5711 wearing an Invicta. This is excellent.
Hehehe! If he can't afford it, he can just say it. Anyway, it's all down to personal preferences.
I agree. I owned the Aquanaut too and it is also hyped without actual substance. The steel bezels on both are actually quite ugly and are prone to scratching easily. The 324 is also a workhorse movement - beautiful and reliable but nothing like a Patek 240. The Nautilus is well priced at retail but on the second hand market the hype rather than the underlying brilliance of the watch is what has driven the price up. Similarly the Aquanaut is decent value at retail price but at 2-3x that on the 2nd market it’s absurd. I’ve owned both watches so I speak from the perspective of actual experience rather than just window shopping or commenting. There are many better watches out there for the current 2nd hand price of a 5167 or 5711.
Thank you very much for taking the time to comment Wes! Your insight is particularly invaluable as you’ve owned one. Now personally, I’m a fan of the design of the nautilus and I actually really like the aquanauts. I’ve actually even thought of the 5164 A and the 5712 as some of my grails but far far down the line and not unless retail. Even that is exorbitant. Regarding the 5711, it’s a great design but I simply couldn’t just freely throw compliments at it like almost everyone else that unnecessary holds Patek as royalty. To me it was just a watch at the end of the day so I tried to extract some objective value out of it and was struggling to do that with the elephant of a price in the room.
@@StandardTime I agree with everything you just said. Spot on. It’s a real challenge to separate true class from social and media hype these days but there are still examples of references from Patek that are worthy of their dollar value on the second hand or grey market. Some of their enamel world times are absolutely stunning and their minute repeaters are almost in a league of their own (maybe Lange can join them). Thanks for a candid video. Well done for calling it as it is.
Thanks Wes! Surprising you should mention the enamel dial world time from Patek because there’s a video in the works on it!
I agree with the Nautilus review. This watch really has only gone moderate refinement since inception largely because of it being an iconic, & popular PP model. ( Why change a good thing?).
Objectively, when one compares the Nautilus to watches like: A Lange & Sohnne Odysseus, Czapek Antarctique, H Moser Streamliner, Urban Jurgenson One, Laurent Ferrier Sport Auto, Parmiagiani Tonga, I would say that these other brands equal, or better in quality & refinement compared to the Nautilus.
Nautilus's claim to fame is because of Patek's reputation. Patek is just like Rolex in almost every way; both brands have history, unequaled marketing success, suberb sales & after sales support. This reputation assures that most owners & would be owners usually overlook the shortcomings of the Nautilus.
Yes that’s true. I really like what Czapek are doing. I got a video coming sometime with the Moser Streamliner coming, such a beautiful piece!
Interesting take man, thanks for the viewpoint, compared to omega diver 300, which feels more premium 😂
It’s $120k now and shows no sign of slowing down. The people buying this watch aren’t watch people, they’re chasing a status symbol. they don’t really care if it’s a quartz watch or mechanical, let alone how well it’s finished. They would’ve bought it when it was $30k if they did.
Can’t imagine those willing to buy the 5711/1A-018 for $3,000,000 🤦🏾♂️
You're paying to wear the brand. It's the same as any luxury good.
Honestly I’m laughing on you mate!! How dare you compare Patek Philippe Nautilus with low trash as Invicta is?? You’re crazy!!!!!
Truth is truth
He was saying the invicta has a hacking feature and the patek doesn't so you can't set an accurate time on a $35000 retail watch...
if you don't like the Nautilus , it's your problem
you are entitled to your opinion and i respect that of course. but the value of something is what the market determines, and the value can go up or down. take the Vacheron Overseas, three hand and date. a comparable watch to the 5711. can still get it at discount. that is what the market has decided. what separates Rolex and Patek and also Chanel and Hermes (for handbags) is their marketing and their limited supply
True but everything still has a limit doesn’t it?
@@StandardTime Apparently not, as since your video the prices for these have gone further up. The only limit is how much the buyer wants (or can afford) to pay: I'm not saying that is good or bad, but it is what it is.
"It's just a watch" is like saying a Rolls Royce is just a car.
Is the datechange instant ?
Hmm, I can’t remember exactly
It’s more than just the objective details of the watch that demand the price premium. Yes, hype but also the brand that is Patek Philippe. Heritage and exclusivity are also non tangibles that buyers value.
Your argument is similar to - why buy a Rolls Royce when you can get a Lexus? They are magnitudes different in price and they both achieve the same function. The heritage and brand are what separate the two.
Yes while that’s true, objectively the watch has to be the best as well to demand a premium over it’s already exorbitant price. In the Rolls Lexus comparison, the Rolls objectively achieves far higher standards of quality and comfort. Also that V12...butter is less smooth ahah.
In this case Lexus retains better value than the Rolls as well despite brand heritage and prestige. I think Patek has splendid heritage but once the value crosses retail it’s just hype. No other non tangibles.
One needs to consider the numbers as well.... Rolex is known to produce millions of watches a year. Patek Philippe only 60,000 watches a year. Supply and Demand.
There is no rational explanation when you justify luxury. Is it nice to have something everyone wants? Sure. Some people chase after that. See Hermès Birkin bags.
Why buy a mechanical watch when you can purchase a quartz that technically does the job better than any mechanical watch?
Id like to see you review the seiko spb199
I’ll see if I can get my hands on one.
The clasp is a piece of crap. It got stuck on my wrist and I had to apply force to get it off. I was so scared I was going to break it due to its flimsiness.
Yeah flimsiness was the general theme I thought...
if you want the hype and the bragging rights - just buy a copy
if you want a good watch? idk get a grand seiko or tudor or something
if you want to shart 70k for no good reason? call me
Ahahahah that had me in stitches 😂
I agree I tried this watch on it felt like garbage it's all hype. I wouldn't pay over 100 dollars for this watch. The Bracelet is horrible and it feels horrible on your wrist. I felt like the bracelet was going to fall apart. It's a piece if crap. Rolex is 100 times better quality.
Hahaha. Apart from the movement finishing, it really isn’t special..
Agree. It is all hype. Stainless steel watch with date & a very nicely finished movement. I would love to know how much it is to manufacture & the mark up at retail?
Thanks. It’s very tough to estimate due to the handcrafted nature of it. It’s the technical expertise and workmanship that’s impossible to estimate. But of course everything has a limit...hard to say.
2k manufacturing cost max, pateks movement finish has gone down hill over the last decade.
Make no mistake, I am not a Patek fanboy. For all that mattered, I'm actually someone who'd take watches like the Minase Divido, and the Czapek Antarctique over the 5711. And I'd also like to say that the Patek is not worth it. But, I'd like to defend the movement of the Nautilus, and there's actually a technical reason as to why a Patek Philippe does not hack. It's not that the maison aren't capable of producing hacking watches, but from a technical standpoint, hacking increases the wear that the balance wheel undergoes, and since Patek wants this watch to be as reliable as possible, the watch doesn't hack. In the words of Francois-Paul Journe, "To the naked eye, a hacking mechanism doesn't show much consequence but “at that micro level of watchmaking, the force is brutal and puts a lot of pressure on the balance wheel and its stem.”
I love the detail in this comment, Pranav. The Minase case design is a bit strong for me but the sheer number of elements to construct that dial is impressive. Coincidentally my favourite ‘Haute Horology’ watch at the moment is the Passage de Drake! I’d take that over every other 3 hander on the market at the moment. Regarding the hacking of the 5711, they introduced it in 2019 so I thought it was very lazy of them not to have done it previously. I understand the mechanical aspect but for me it’s something that’s not worth the compromise. Similar to the clutch in a manual transmission, it’s made to eventually destroy itself and I find that to be the beauty of it.
@@StandardTime To that I say this - will the balance wheel wear itself down over time eventually? Yes. Is the fact that it will eventually destroy itself over time beautiful? Yes. As a car enthusiast myself, I love manuals too, and yep clutches are a nightmare. While I agree it's beautiful, from a maintenance standpoint, it's going to be difficult to maintain periodically, and hacking is going to make it worse, since that's going to be astronomically expensive to service, and so I'd rather have a balance wheel that wears down slower solely because it'll be easier to maintain. As for them introducing it in 2019, while sheer laziness might be one way to think about it, I think about it in a slightly different aspect - Patek rarely listens to enthusiasts, but when they deliver, they deliver exactly what people want from them - there has to be a reason why there are a lot of people who own the 5711 call it one of the most perfect watches ever made, right? Think Apple making small, incremental changes that they wouldn't want to make for the sake of technical purposes, but only because fans are asking them to do so, they make those changes.
Some very good points and valid arguments. I do see how Patek would have had to give in to providing hacking. It’s good that they make incremental changes because it shows care for their clients and their requests. As for the 5711 I could see an owner finding value in the workmanship of the piece at the retail value, but personally I found the watch to be terribly underwhelming after hearing everyone else rave about the piece. Unfortunately it didn’t really hold up materially to the pedestal it has been put on. But that’s speaking of the tactility and in hand feel, not the movement. The movement is certainly special.
@@StandardTime I'd agree with you here, because I prefer Minase, Czapek, and VC, as I said earlier. And while I agree that while the watch as a whole seems like a very underwhelming proposition both for its current price and its retail price, we can't deny the fact that it's still a beautiful watch with a beautiful movement, and a historical relevancy like no other. I'm not a fan of overhyped watches, but because of the fact that the Nautilus is so timeless and relevant with an extremely special movement, I actually wouldn't mind getting one even if I prefer the Minase and the Czapek. In fact, if you ask me, I personally love the 5726.
Yeah I could get behind the 5726 as well. My favourite of the bunch is the very asymmetrical 5712 blue.
Sour grape
Haha
the obvious reason is its history and uniqueness of its design
Yep but its wildly overblown. I think the RO beats it in terms of history and design :)
Considering the events of today this video is especially ironic! Now it’s 70 grand plus your first born!
Now that’s a steal 😂
Yes but a 500 dollar clone of it is a great watch for the price
maybe you would be better off sticking to commenting on $50 watches where knowledge/experience appears to be
Maybe you’re better off not wasting your time then ;)
its 100k now. woot
Make it 200 and then we have a deal 😂
I know, that many, if not most people wouldn't agree with my opinion, but besides the brand value and the hand finishing ans such going into a Patek, it might be one of the most overrated watch brands overall.
Quite possible! But I’ve got to first sample all they’ve got to offer before I decide...:)
This underwhelming and pathetic timepiece just hit $150K+ on the market!!! 🤦♂️🤣🤡
Tell people they can’t have something and it drives them mad
Maybe because chinese make the same for 600USD 🤣🤣
That's a fake Patek. Markers are not white enough
Incorrect. The lighting is heavily yellow at the store and the video is a little colour corrected.
Bro please prepare a script before making your videos because you were pausing to think too often.
Thanks for the feedback. Check out some of my more recent videos, let me know what you think of them.
You can buy a brand new bmw 5s, instead of paying secondary market price for this grandpa watch. Its so simple with no aesthetic that its probably really hard to detect a real nautilus from a fake one without opening it up. Cheers bro.
Exactly! I like where you’re thinking regarding the cars. Tbh I’m actually a bigger car enthusiast than a watch enthusiast so I guess that distinction of what exactly I’d rather do with that kind of money was very clear. The real vs fake also super worrying as seen in Jenni Elle’s video!
BMWs are for hippies, the owner of that watch owns something better.
@@japd7897 you sound like a snobby elitist
@@jonahh1441 just reality, someone who pays 70k for a watch is not worried about the price of his car. Is a different mindset that Creative Homeless obviously does not share.
@@jonahh1441 P.D.: Obviously BMWs are not for hippies, just pretentious way of speaking 😉.