WHY THIS AUDI DIESEL BEATS THE BEST EV - THE PORSCHE TAYCAN
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In this video I share with you my opinions on how a humble Audi diesel makes a far better car to live with than even one of the best electric vehicles you can buy, the Porsche Taycan.
Please note I am not an EV hater, I actually think for a lot of people they make the perfect car. What I do hate is depreciation and electric cars are setting new records for this and can't see that changing without any government intervention to incentivise their sale on the used market. Also I dislike misrepresentation and promoting cars as having a certain amount of range which in most situations is very optimistic is not going to engratiate EVs to the general public, how it's legal I don't know.
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This video can be divided into the following sections:
0:00 Teaser
0:04 Graphics by @haslerdesigns
0:08 What this video is about
1:00 Please subscribe!
1:23 Taycan 4S Cross Turismo stats
3:38 Exterior tour
6:37 Interior tour
13:19 Driving impressions
20:09 The Audi diesel that beats the Taycan
21:04 Audi exterior tour
24:18 Audi outside
28:26 Audi diesel vs Taycan on paper
32:28 Driving the Audi diesel
37:08 Summary - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I have the 530d. I get 7-800 miles to a tank if I do long runs. Quick and comfortable with loads of space. Much better than an EV.
Iv got a 530d aswell I love it 👍🏻
Have the the same engine in an F30. Mated to the zf8, it’s amazing in all conditions.
Andrew, most EV drivers charge at home at night on a cheap tariff like Octopus Intelligent Go for 7.5p per kWh, so your £4.90 cost would be £1.31!
Don't hate EVs, just don't have a ridiculously expensive one like a Taycan, use the EV daily and keep your Porsche for the weekend.
At the Porsche dealer here, the value of a 2nd hand Taycan makes even a big F150 cheaper to drive than the Taycan :O A new one is $180. A 3 year old Taycan with hardly any miles on it, $80k.. So a loss of value of $100k in 3 year. Its a really bad buy if you have to pay for it yourself. So cost of electricity is not the main concern.
Ok thanks Rich. I know a lot of people charge at home but if charging away from home was irrelevant then building infrastructure to ease range anxiety wouldn’t be so important. Yes that does make the mileage very cheap if you just look at the miles but factor in depreciation and it’s a much different bigger picture. PCP will insulate drivers from depreciation but that’s only if you keep the car for long enough to be able to return it without penalty, if you try and sell early, the negative equity can be eye watering. I don’t hate EVs but I hate depreciation and misrepresentation of key stats like real world range
That's why generally it's better to lease an EV, so you know exactly how much you're paying.
How about video about a bargain ID3, and how cheap it is to run on home charging?
I still have a combustion sports car for the summer, but the EV is so cheap to run, and does all the daily duties.
@@richfixescars the leasing is very high here . Like $800 a month. Better buy a golf for $25k.
@@AndrewTSq In the UK you can lease something like an MG4 EV for £300 over 3 years with a couple of payments down as deposit.
Great video, however in looking to one from 2019 the 516.00 lbs/ft is quoted in most of the ads, so why 700.00 lbs/ft on your example?
Also, is your one still for sale at 30k?
oh, it has sold, no wonder, you mean 700 NM, i get it.
Yep I stick to metric horsepower and metric torque 👍
17:51 When it’s too easy you simply aren’t driving fast enough.
The Taycan is a stunning looking car but if I had the money I would buy a panamera at least you get the sound
The ev insanity is perfectly summarized at 18:40. Some hyundai i10 with would say 60ps toy engine is easily overtaking this porsche on a highway 😂 That kind of range anxiety we all observe each day on highways
What a video Andrew. Best for a while. The more I see electric cars a j reg mk2 golf gti for sale near me for 5k seems more appealing.
Thanks Gary, glad you enjoyed it as it took a lot of effort and research. Did you see my mk2 hiding in the video? The Taycan loan has made it's position on the fleet even safer (so go buy that one - but make sure it's not terminally rusty as a lot are).
2 owner car, mot Nov 25. I'll have a look at it.
When you say charge at home, show the different rates for those on pre payment and those on quarterly meters. Your price goes up for the ones that can’t afford quarterly meters. And that’s the con
The 28p per kw/h of electricity is the maximum price that can be charged under the current price cap. I've checked to see if this applies to prepayment and it would appear to;
help.shellenergy.co.uk/hc/en-us/articles/5548154312081-I-m-a-prepayment-customer-how-does-the-price-cap-affect-me#:~:text=It's%20updated%20every%20three%20months,set%20for%20prepayment%20meter%20accounts.
Most folk pay 7.5p not 28p , this video is full of misinformation on EVs , as usual for a bunch of petrolheads slagging EVs off , if you don’t like them fair enough , just let others reap the rewards of owning one . Volkswizard is just preaching to the converted , what’s the point ?
@@kbsub you are lucky, I live in Sweden and I am around 28p - 30p / kwh at home. Public charger near me is 85p / kwh. And Sweden is supposed to have cheap produced energy (mostly hydro, windpower, nuclear)
Diesel for the win! We need more diesel options in the US.
My dream choice would be an Audi S3 Sportback and a Mazda MX5 RF. Cheaper than a Taycan...
I think you’re using the range and battery size of the facelift model as reference in this video 😉
I checked with the registration number and battery size is as stated
I love the taycan but the depreciation is crazy so wouldnt buy one at the moment, I'll wait until they drop to reasonable second hand value, also i think in the next couple of years the charging infrastructure will be much better too and the price of fast charging will come down as supermarkets are starting to get on the bandwagon. Not sure the battery is an issue as I read a lot EVs have done over 300k without any major issues. I am sure when the petrol car came out originally there wasnt petrol stations everywhere!!! In the meantime I'll stick with my Golf R for now. Not a fan of the Audi it just looks like a run of the mill estate car to me and its diesel so no good for going into the city due to the congestion charge.
THERE IS NO CHARGE LEVIED AGAINST EURO 6 COMPLIANT DIESELS LIKE THE AUDI IN ANY CLEAN AIR ZONE IN THE UK AND PROBABLY ANYWHERE ELSE TOO. Lots of lazy journalism has made people think there is but there isn't. As for buying a Taycan used when they are cheaper, how wise that is all depends on the battery life. No doubt some EVs have done 300k miles but like with ICE, cars used regularly and that do higher mileages can be more reliable that cars that are only used for short distances and never warm up even if they have done low mileage. Likewise an EV that is charged in a way which isn't good for battery longevity will have a battery that deteriorates sooner.
@@volkswizard calm down with the capital letters dude not everyone has to agree exactly with your point of view. I got rid of my last car that was a diesel it was great but they do have a stigma especially relating to air quality. My friend has Skoda vrs diesel and has to pay the congestion every time he goes to work- not good! The Audi you shown in your video might be the exception but I’m sure those rules will change again given the council’s need for money and environmental stance! From a looks perspective the taycan looks a million times better will need a lot less servicing and will probably go up in value in latter years due to it being the first electric Porsche. I know there are a lot of ev haters outthere but they are going to change automotive landscape just like the iPhone changed the phone industry. I am a proper petrol head and have a few classic German petrol cars that I will keep for weekends, but I can see most people going ev in the future as a daily driver.
Congestion charge (which applies to all ICE) is different to the clean air zone/ULEZ
£15 at a fast charger 😂 £76 for the full 91kw usable capacity. My macan turbo does more miles for the same amount and that eats fuel if you take into account the actual miles an ev manages in the real world
Really enjoyed that summary as someone who bought a second hand diesel late last year 😂
Sensible choice for sure
Great video, Andrew - I am really considering an s4 - but would you fill it with standard diesel or go for the premium? Would the standard diesel damage the car in the long term? Thanks
Thanks! Standard diesel is fine, I’m pretty sure the dear stuff is just marketing. It might improve performance to a minuscule degree but the normal stuff won’t cause damage and it’s pretty damn quick either way ;)
@@volkswizard thanks Andrew this car is creeping to the top of my list :)
The hot topic now the is depreciation in electric cars, but it’s clear that next big issue will be the batteries in used vehicles, which will give around 50% of their expected range when new. Add into this the lack of infrastructure, future increases in vehicle tax and consistent bad press on reliability I think it’s hard to see the future continuing like this. Personally I expect at least one big name manufacturer *cough* VW *cough* to go bust as the business case just doesn’t add up.
Agreed Joe. The ID7 was clearly a car that was launched at a time when they knew the ID range was doomed. VW have invested plenty in EVs but they haven't dedicated as much of their business to them as Volvo and Ford so while VW's losses will be the biggest numbers, proportionate to revenue are maybe not as bad as some
Good review Andrew, and comparison. Before you mentioned it, i already thought to myself He's going to change the GTD estate for the S4? Would be a good move and interesting content for your channel. How about dropping that V6 diesel or V6 petrol engine into the Taycan? Now that would be a seller
Thanks Wyn. The Panamera is I guess the ICE Taycan so the choice is there is you want it. I'd love an S4 but it would mean selling the GTD which suits my off CZcams life very well, we shall see...
Great video Andrew certainly makes you think about the future of the motor industry and the issues of electric vehicles
Well Jay it will be interesting to see how all this pans out with regards to battery longevity and how long some manufacturers who have gone all in with EVs survive too
Is this the dealership you help source vehicles for?
We've had a business relationship for many years.
The EV thing is for most, is a daunting prospect and it's not necessarily based upon range anxiety, it's more about 'deprecation-anxiety'. People just don't want to take a 30k bath in the first year of ownership, and the other thing is the end of that warranty cover that also kicks the residual value of EVs, especially the high end luxury EVs. They're by design a short lived thing, especially if you cover a lot of miles per year, because owners that do, will get to that 100k warranted mileage limit all the sooner. The question I often ask anyone considering an EV. Would anyone purchase a used one, with 101,000 miles on or over 8 years old. I can't see many people using common sense would consider that a financially sound decision. And so this problem will be on those owners that can't sell a used EV of a certain vintage or mileage. They really need to find a solution to the EVs lifespan issues. Because being a Golf Gti fan, and I'd still rather own a tidy Mk2 that's covered over 100k miles than any EV. Because they simply won't last for 20 or 30 years. Great video
....a fuel tip, don't use supermarket diesel. It's cheaper for a reason.
I have a sublime gas guzzling AMG 63 Merc S-class coupe - 20-30mpg. Yet I can make a 450 mile round trip to London in a day and still have 100 miles of town driving left in the tank. I'll avoid damaging the planet buying an expensive EV with unacceptable range and depreciation. The latter tells you all you need to know that EV's are still early in the tech dev cycle.
What do you get at a 70 run
@@derekporter66 Cruise on at 78mph I get 31mpg
@@neilgaydon5430 not that bad. I have 640d. Overall average is 39 mpg. 80 percent motorway at 75 CC. nothing like advertised. Looking at changing soon and the s coupe is on the list. Just not sure it's worth another 20k to change
@@derekporter66 Motorway mpg surprised me but round town is early 20’s. I’m fortunate to have some great cars but this is v.special for everyday and GT. It’s my wife’s absolute favourite car we have ever owned. I pay Merc insurance at about £700 that covers pretty much everything as these cars are not cheap if they break. I needed new brakes which aren’t covered…£2k ouch! If it had been the regular 500 it would have been half that… in truth they do 90% of what the AMG63 does at a much lower price/running costs…but ultimately not as special. I paid £59k for mine (was £135k new), 4k miles, 3 years old, 3 year AMG bumper to bumper warranty from a Merc dealer. They seem to have dropped along with everything else so might be a good time. The only way to know is drive one.
Great video Andrew.If folk can't reach to the Audi.Try a BMW 335d x drive.Had mine almost 5 years now and hasn't missed a beat.No DPF issues.Almost all bar the tail end charlie's are out of the premium VED rate now as well.
You can pick up a 1 owner Touring 17/67 with 60k and FBWMSH,loaded, for under £21k privately.
Agreed, BMW were doing the fast diesel better than Audi for decades, Jensen Button got busted of speeding in one 20 years ago!
Good point about no incentive for private buyers either new or second hand.Brother had a Leaf as a company car,now an MG4.He wouldn't touch electric if it wasn't for the tax breaks.
To think he used to have a rare Leon Cupra TDI as a company car!.That bad boy could fly,and looked the part too.
I presume some company car drivers still go ICE as they have no choice so can only imagine the company pays the tax burden
Really good review . That weight is unbelievable! Wonder how long the tyres last even in normal use ?
Thanks Rob! I'm more worried about how the roads will survive, maybe that's why potholes are worse than ever! And how much are those tyres?£363 each! That buys a shed load of diesel :)
Wow, the old TDi kneecapping the mighty Taycan, something I did not foresee when these were launched. I would not go for the Taycan as much as I love the design, it would be easily forgotten driving the Audi as a family car, it just does everything right. (until the DPF blocks 🤣) and is a no brainer with the numbers you were showing. As @Alberta_Wassmann says "I love your videos and want you to keep doing them🐻"
DPF's aren't ideal but these later cars seem pretty well sorted, admittedly an EV is far better for urban use but then so is a bike or a bus or a train or walking :) Are you a fan of EMF the band going by your handle? If so, so am I, I saw them live in the early 90s supported by the Stereo MCs.
Just bought that 2 owner H reg golf gti in red for 4k with mot till Nov 25 on it. Its a trip from Northumberland to near London but I'm sure it'll be worth it.
So odd! Ended up almost pulling the trigger on one of these recenrly! A very nice Audi Individual spec one in Nardo Grey wirh the red interior. Beast of a car!
Sounds great, I love the red interior!
It’s a great comparison review the Porsche is a stunning car but I would drive of in the Audi every day no anxiety full stop 🛑 lovely car thanks geezer lot of work went into that review 👍🇦🇺
Thanks Lee and yes it took a lot of work to research the video as well as the bits you see, it's becoming hard to justify this effort though as views just aren't stacking up.
I’m a million years away from owning an EV probably because I’m old school 😂
sensible, rational school more like
Such a shame VW group put themselves in the poop with diesel as I believe they had some of the best diesels in the business. I used to drive a Passat diesel wagon in Australia and would regularly get 1300kms out of a tank, driving it from the Gold Coast to Cairns once a month, a journey of 2000kms. Just one fuel stop required!!! Never had a better car to do that trip and miss it terribly.
High quality video as always. As with the car you tested, Porsche have apparently extended the range on the new model (MY24) Cross Turismo to 381 miles. The pre 24 model was a lot worse at a quoted 281 miles although I'm confident you wouldn't get anywhere near to the 381 miles quoted in the new 24 version, which was confirmed by your review! Consumers are clearly voting with their feet judging by depreciation on the used market. The Audi S4 is a minter and on my (reasonably priced)dream car short list alongside a BMW M340I/ D Touring. Be great to see you do a comparison of these two against each other one day. Keep up with the great content.
Thanks so much Peter. I was warned by someone at Porsche that the car I had may not be the one on the current configurator so I did a vehicle data check and the battery spec was exactly the same as the one that was listed as 381. Having said I can't help feel the technical info deliberately tries to deceive, in some area quoting a 100+ kw battery but not stating always that the actually usable size is in the nineties. The WLTP range figures are also deceptive and don't make it as clear as they need to what the effect of options has on the range. WLTP range quoted needs to have a summer and a winter measurement so different can they be. This is so obvious you've got to wonder if the EU who is behind the emissions test want them to look better than real world use reflects to encourage take up. Another mis-selling scandal maybe?
Completely agree with you Andrew
Great Video
Apart from amazing acceleration I don’t see anything appealing about EV’s. Especially as the environment stuff is BS.
OMG - I can't believe I am looking at Audi Diesels now lol. You are so right - and with The Zero Emissions Vehicle Mandate it's going to be a worse going forward. Thats why there are so many Taycans being made still probably despite dealerships being full of ones they can't sell. I've seen other videos where to buy a 911 from a dealership to have to buy 3 taycans first! We were looking at a Boxster at Porsche Leeds were pretty much told it would be a long wait unless you want a Taycan!
I'd take that Mark McCann video about the 3 Taycans with a pinch of salt, in part 2 he rang up a dealer supposedly in Kent and the woman had a Brummie accent (which is local to him). However if you've been told that you need a Taycan to buy a Boxster then that is very odd! The over supply of Taycans means you can't avoid having one as a courtesy car even if you are dropping off a small, manual, ICE GT car.
All EVs are boring. End of story.
The lack of noise. Did you see, Dodge have created a Charger (General Lee type car, not battery charger) with fake electronic V8 noise. It doesn't even sound as good as a computer game from the 80s! Search it up.... the whole EV thing is starting to make me angry if Governments think I'm driving one of those abominations.
Let's see what Porsche does with the EV Boxster Cayman, they got slated when the 4 pot turbo 718 4 pot turbos came out for the downgrade in sound. I fail to see how a switch to electric is not going to cause an even greater downgrade in sound which is a key part of a Porsche's appeal.
@volkswizard 100% agree. I think the 718s sound great, too.
I struggle with the sound of a 4 pot compared to a v8, but they sound a damn sight better than a Cylon Raider swooshin around. And how can you add fake pops and bangs?
Unfortunately, our present, so called leaders, in Washington are shoving EV’s down our throats. Just not my throat ! RickGTI….. 🌴
Another informative comparison video not driven by PR guff. I suspect that very few Motoring Journos would come out as strongly as you have here. We all know this and yet it's still held as the planets saviour. 2.5T and questionable battery production. Eggs in 1 basket? Oh dear.
Thanks Tony and I'm glad you appreciate the sentiment expressed in this video which is in the most based on fact rather than simply opinion. The key fact is that a lot of manufacturers have gone all in for EVs and they can't afford to not succeed because their existence depends on it. As a result they are spending a lot on advertising EVs (such as Cupra's recent occupation of key pages in Evo with Born adverts) and ad revenue is the life blood of publications. The rest you can work out (if you haven't already) but I personally can't help thinking Sinclair C5 all over again...
@@volkswizard Thanks Andrew. Until commercial vehicles start to be economical as electric only (up and down the Motorway network, not just local Florists) then ice replacement options won't make a difference to Co2 sadly.
Ev's just dont do it for me, give me a good olde combustion engine anyday
They have their place but they need to be smaller and a lot cheaper.
Great video Andrew - S4 bargain now in uk compared to petrol only on Oz
Thanks Malcolm, we are lucky as there are plenty of used pre facelift petrol S4s and a fair few diesel ones on the market
Popular? Many dealers are advertising £20,000 off a new Taycan.
Porsche GB will have an allocation from Porsche AG which will won't necessarily reflect demand and the dealers will have to find a home for those cars at any price, I'd expect the discounts to be higher than £20k on some of the dearer derivatives.
From the Porsche GB website;
"Porsche Cars GB is the manufacturer’s fourth-largest market globally and also one of the biggest for Taycan sales, reflecting the overall consumer trend towards electrification"
My heart says buy that cla45s sb while you can. My brain says buy an EV. What to do 😢?
Do research into the real world range of EVs and how much it will cost you if you decide to bail out of a PCP early due to negative equity and pretty soon your brain will be saying go CLA as well :)
A lovely Audi diesel estate car, a definite keeper.
The price on the Taycan S have fallen through the floor, battery only good for 100k miles or 8yrs, The price of a new battery? Yup that’s right, £40k 😝 The new model comes out soon so another factor pushing the depreciation
Good point re facelift, that's never going to be good for values of the old one which are already on the floor. I think we might see Porsche having to mothball some cars which they simply can't shift.
Thanks - so interesting
Glad you enjoyed it gard, thanks
Many electric vehicles from Volkswagen are still not available down under. The Golf GTE was coming now it's not. The ID range, who knows. The ID Buzz is predicted at $100k. A Golf R, huge wait, is $83k. Our crazy climate minister in Canberra is already looking at trying to kill Petrol and Diesel car sales asap with taxes and emissions standards higher than Europe. Our infrastructure is not ready. And we have a power grid on verge of collapse. All renewables asap, no coal, gas or nuclear allowed. Too bad if you don't have money for a new vehicle. Pollies don't care.
That sounds like a very short sighted vision and an ideal opportunity for the political opposition to step in and behave more rationally.
@@volkswizard I agree. We have another 14 months before the next federal election. The opposition wants to talk nuclear power, but it will be an up hill battle. Unfortunately the current Labor government is stuck fast on electric cars and wind and sun. It is costly also and ruins farm land and native bush. The nutter in charge of climate, loves electric cars. He cannot see beyond them. Most can't afford any new car. Sad really.
Nice one really enjoyed that 👍
Thanks Malc, much appreciated
Gtd up for sale I see. I think last nights video got you thinking Andrew 🤔🤔🙈
Enlightening.
Thanks Andrew. That’s probably one of the primary things I aim to achieve👍
The Audi looks a bit like someone added ebay silver trims and it isn't as nice to look at. Porsche interior looks a lot nicer and could be improved by adding actual AC switches like in the Audi Etron GT. A Porsche will always cost more than an Audi. I had a S3 that could beat most 911's in a drag race but the Porsche will always look nicer. Compare an Audi R8 to a Gallardo and the Audi just doesn't look as nice even though they share a lot of the same parts. Taycan tyres are £450 a corner on the 21" wheels and if you get a stone chip on the glass roof that would be very annoying. 19" alloy wheels will give more range but don't look as nice so I would fit 20". All VW group electric cars have massive wheel arches, Why ?. Drive less than 70 and again better range. The Taycan with a big fuel tank is called the Panamera as they share a lot of parts. Also you have to add servicing costs as the Audi will cost £300 a year ish and the Taycan £150 (£300 every 2 years). YES THERE IS A WAY OF CHECKING THE BATTERY HEALTH ! Diesel car poison the air we breath.
I think these are lovely looking cars, but charging vs. the convenience of filling up with petrol is off putting. Then the price, then the range etc. If only Shell/BP had tried to develop eco fuels we wouldn’t have this slightly embarrassing situation around EVs. Overpriced, over rated and generally disappointing. I’d have an EV if it would match the range of an ICE car and didn’t take so bloody long to charge, it feels like they’ve still got a long way to go (pardon the pun)
At last a video showing the real EV issues.
I reckon there will be fields full of used EVs it’s a real problem I feel sorry for anyone owning a porsche version my friend has one he lost 50k and nobody wants it !
And it’s been unreliable.
Reliability another issue Kevin, overheard a conversation at a Porsche service desk about a Taycan that wouldn’t charge and owner very annoyed. Porsche have a load of EVs incoming soon so I wouldn’t want to be working for them (which is something up until now I’ve always aspired to)
Ones a porsche ones an audi, the audi is always going to give better value.
You mention the audi can do 500 odd miles yet you didnt do anything like that.
Evs need a different train of thought over nite charging of a couple of £s and commuting daily 100/200 miles. These are the journey/use for most people.
There are lots for evs with 200k plus miles.
All sounds good to me with an gt3 for weekends.
so much tech to go wrong in years to come🤨
That's probably true of both cars - for a diesel to perform like that and be clean it's like the space shuttle under the bonnet
Give you 10k for it in five years time...😂😅😢
I might hold you to that 😆
Bit different of a comment nothing to do with ur video but I much prefer the interior look of the Audi then say a BMW flat screen look it’s like ur sitting in ur lounge watching TV the classic look of the Audi is much nicer
Fair comment Lee and I agree, that Audi's interior is just one of the best of any car.
I wouldnt have an EV as a gift😂😂😂😂
If you get the receipt you could send it back, get 50% of what was paid and go and buy something else :)
I can't forgive Audi for making a diesel S4.
It’s the best car Audi have made in a long time. The petrol S4 was just another car that combined practicality with a sports car thirst. Yes it was fast but no faster in real world and even when driven sedately (which it is most of the time) it still had a prodigious thirst. I know some people can get 40+ out of them but the long term average usually begins with a 2. S4 TDI has best of all 3 works, classy practical A4 Avant, economy similar to a 2.0 TDI and grunt of petrol S4(probably more with 700nm torque). Overtaking pace is just mind blowing 😲
Cant fault what you say, just for me it should have been a A4 50 TDI not an S4. Not convinced people bought S4s for continued long distance driving. Unles you do plan big miles often, buying a diesel on 2024 is an interesting choice. More obscure (and my problem) is the gap left in the A4 petrol range. The A4 45 TFSI I am sure very nice, but ~250PS too tame to consider as an S4 alternative and the ~450PS RS 4 other end of the spectrum. A conundrum that worries me less than owning a Taycan, there are stories of Porsche not even wanting to buy them at present.