My Journey Over Ukraine/Russia, Konstantin Kisin
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- The invasion of Ukraine by Russia is now over a month old. Konstantin Kisin is a comedian and the host of the Triggernometry show, he is also a Russian immigrant with family in both Ukraine and Russia.
In this conversation with Rebel Wisdom's David Fuller he talks about his emotional journey over the course of the war, and how he has struggled with the way the conflict is portrayed in some areas close to home.
It gets a bit spicy towards the end, this is the Bulwark article David mentioned regarding Trump: www.thebulwark.com/thank-god-...
Really valued the last 20 minutes--seeing a real give and take and airing of views. This episode gave me a lot to think about and potential new ways to view things. I love this channel--thank you David.
Are you alluding to the secret message Konstantine clicked out with his pen? Lol
H - E - L - P M - E
Yes the last 20 minutes were very real.
If you want to really make sense of things, turn this pretentious and fraudulent channel off and switch Russel Brand's on!
I needed to hear this. I was falling down conspiracy holes for a little bad. Needed Konstantins breath of fresh air
his breath is what neo N breathe -fkg rank if yu ask me
But the Ukrainians has a Neo Nazi battalion. That’s no conspiracy.
There’s no way I would have America and NATO on my doorstep.
Putin has been saying for years he will attack the Ukraine if America keeps trying to get NATO on its doorstep.
I wonder what sleepy Joe and his crack head paedo son were doing in the Ukraine.
I especially liked the bit where konstantin tried to excuse the neo nazi tendencies of the ukranians (they don't have a lot of heroes so they embraced stephan bandicoot, or whatever)
@@mr.metallic5310 - Why not look up ASOV battalion and find out yourself….
good job he eats tictacs
Loved the kick-back debate at the end of this. Very real.
Konstantin seems to have noticed the same thing as I have: The Left is frequently guilty of the "ought-is fallacy". _"This is the way it ought to be. Therefore, that's the way it is."_ The Right is frequently guilty of the "is-ought fallacy". _"This is the way it is. Therefore, that's the way it ought to be."_
The world is not as black and white as Kisin or any tribal reactionary commentators say it is. That assertion narrows the entire world there down to two positions.
@@jarletto Ain't that the trouble, compromise is what they should be working for rather than the defeat of the other side.
@@jarletto It seems to me that what he's saying is the extreme parts of the political spectrum are stuck in that kind of black and white thinking.
Can you elaborate a little more this, please?
There is left, right and woke. Woke is a true dangerous cult,that is destroying the west ...
Superb, thought-provoking conversation. Thank you for this.
Man.. How I wish this sort of programing was mainstream..
Excellent show.
yes,as KK says until things like the bbc can become a serious channel it has no hope
CZcams IS mainstream for people under 50.
@@kurtjensen5798 Yes.. But our current decision makers are in their late 70s-80s.
it is
@@phigupot8976 Ok for you and everyone else claiming this to be mainstream.. Watch Jon Stewart and watch him completely leave out these types shows in favor the usual left vs right BS. I assure you that there are millions of people that are totally unaware of this and other independent sources of information on youtube. I wish very much that this was truly mainstream, but this still ain't it.
Konstantin Kisin gained a lot of points recently and proved to be a really smart and thoughtful but at the same time pragmatic and down to earth dude. Good for him.
Agree about smart and thoughtful. I just feel like the comedy he shares on Triggernometry undermines or occludes his lucidity. Going for the laugh just gets in the way when the jokes don't land. IMO at least.
spoiler alert: The best part is the last 20 minutes!! Love the discussion
As a religious person, I think you are both viewing 'religion' in a very caricatured, simplistic manner. If you've ever hung around genuinely religious people we question everything, endlessly argue over interpretations and study, study, study. Religion isn't a simpler way to view the world. My life would be much simpler without my faith... If I genuinely took no interest in my faith and did whatever I wanted, that would be much easier. However, seeking truth, means following it wherever it leads, even when it's not easy.
I'm a spiritual person raised in more liberal-minded religion with plenty of people who questioned. But having spent a lot of time also among religious people in general, I haven't found that seeking and study is very common. And even when it's found among religious people, it is most often extremely narrow in simply confirming biases (e.g., apologetics).
Acknowledging one's bias and appreciating their perspective aren't mutually exclusive. I appreciate the convo.
Konstantin is a comedian and at the same time deep thinking, balanced and very outspoken truth teller. Top guy at the moment.
I think comedians are in a similar sphere as journalists only they're intelligent and curious whereas journalists aren't. Remember the famous Wolf Blitzer fail moment on Jeopardy where he bombed? Most people don't remember that it was comedian Andy Richter that crushed that episode. It takes a lot higher intelligence and understanding of humans and their nature to walk that court jester razor than it is to tell the king what he wants to hear.
A good comedian has to understand human nature.
His podcast is quite good.
Terrific discussion, guys - thank you so much. Sensible, considered, well argued, and I love the polite and considerate way you disagree. So refreshing.
Wow,so great to have two people disagreeing over something (last 20m) so rare.
I imagine the point you were trying to make is that it's rare for people to engage in disagreements _while remaining civil_.
Great to hear KK came out of the false dichotomy. I think all our first reactions are emotional but the rational among us actually have second thoughts.
Kk comes across as being a right wing bigot ✊
Our brains are servants of our instincts.
@@piked261 Gee thanks for dragging the conversation into the gutter, Red Fist guy.
@@TheRealHarryHolt I think anyone who believes that western civilization is threatened by the woke brigade needs to get help.
@@piked261 Clearly, you didn't hear what KK actually said
Konstantin Kisin is a star 🌟
His views are bang on INCLUDING his views on Trump !!!
You seem very emotional about Trump. Three exclamation points 🤔
you are free to get on the next plane...but you won't becz you got nuthin
I can see your journey continues kk. You are discovering more complexity and history and assimilating it. You are making more sense and seeing more nuance now than a few weeks ago. Your faith in facts and logic will get you to a place where you can see this all more comprehensively. Respect.
This conversation was solid. I loved the back and forth at the end. KK pushed back just as much as necessary. Good job David, good job KK.
Appreciated. Glad I watched this. Respect.
I just got to the last 20 minutes. Loved the honest back and forth. Terrific!
Thanks for your comment Paul.
Estuary?
Well worth listening to the end!
On the subject of crimea that is Russia's only warm water port and it was utterly predictable that Russia would not let it go. Also the population of Crimea is mostly Russian so no, I don't think they had to herd the Crimean people to the ballot under the threat of the Russian military. On the subject of the Donbas region, , the Minsk accords did not say that the Donbas region would join a greater Russia. The Donbas was to remain with Ukraine but with strong autonomy and a regional government as we do in the UK with Wales, Scotland and Ireland.
Exactly, that would have been the best outcome instead of all the death and destruction, so that makes me think there is an ulterior motive. Biden has just admitted that it is regime change in Russia that he wants and doesn't really care about the Ukrainian people or their country, and its a windfall for the arms manufacturer donors.
Look up Victoria Nuland and her gameplay in Ukraine.
Or listen to Gonzalo Lira 27/03 22 podcast.
P.S. YT don't like links (core internet function).
Yeah it was predictable that Russia would invade Crimea, I agree. Can't believe people still think Russia is just acting defensively
@@Skousen77 yes Gonzalo Lira has a good video in Victoria Nulan.
I am so grateful for the contribution of this channel. Thank you, David. 🙏
Man, the best part was honestly the last 20 minutes. Would love to have seen that extended.
Great chat, thanks both.
Great conversation👌🏻 Thanks for having Konstantin on.
"Trump would have supported Putin in invading the Ukraine"...... the interviewer is nuts... out of his mind.
OR reading CIA/MI6 talking points.
He's just another Sock Puppet repeater.
Case in point- his issue with Brett Weinstein
I don't believe he said that in that way. He said he thinks that, while he agrees that Trump could have been harder, he also thinks that there is a possibility that Trump would have made excuses for Putin. This is because Trump is inherently unpredictable. So he was certainly not saying Trump would take that position. He was saying that Trump is inherently unpredictable, so it is unknown what position he would take.
Trump himself has said that Putin's invasion is "genius"
Yeah, he really dropped the ball there. Fuller instantly turned of his critical thinking as soon as "Trump" was mentioned.
I actually think that Trump gave the leftists some sort of brain damage just by existing.
The bearded youth is full of TDS. Out of his depth. George Galloway would blow him out with a spray.
Thank you for a very interesting conversation.
Intelligent and useful discussion. Thanks.
Loved the little dig at "sensemaking"
You have to look at this in a positive viewpoint. Russia gets to go back to being the villains in the next James Bond films. They always were the best villains. Ukraine “You expect me to give up?” Russia “No, Mr Ukraine, I expect you to die”
Hopefully future Bond movies capture the old style. The latest movie not necessarily a bad film just seems like any generic action film.
This was a great conversation until David started mind reading Trump.
12:00 wrong! I am anti war but am thrilled to have grown up in a liberal democracy. I appreciate Western values with gratitude. Please don't oversimplify things. You're country Ukraine is a beautiful country. Rich in culture and history. Hope there can be a diplomatic, peaceful solution as soon as possible. I pray for Ukraine everyday. 💛🕊
Kisin's opinion was pretty demented on that issue, and utterly disconnected from reality. I've rarely met anti-war leftists in the U.S. who hate liberal democracy. Typically, American leftists in general are the strongest defenders of liberal democracy. That makes me suspect this guy is largely ignorant, disinformed, and propagandized. He has obviously been indoctrinated by right-wing talking points and narratives. It's unfortunate, as he seems like someone capable of intelligent and reasonable thought.
If he were to spend more time talking to average leftists, he'd discover the caricature he has internalized has little relation to actual people. Most of us on the Left have diverse and nuanced views on the problems in the West and in Eastern Europe. It's the same problem with how American leftists are trying to argue for a complex understanding of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. But the right-wing corporate media spins the false narrative of anti-Semitism as they beat the war drums for the American Empire.
@27:45 Konstantin, that is the advice to give to the next generation of problem solvers. Golden nuggets.
Thank you for this conversation, i really enjoyed it. Just wanted to add to the conversation as I lived as an American in Kiev for the last 7 years and the topic that you discussed about are Russian speakers forced to speak Ukrainian and is there a sort of Prejudice from Ukrainians to those who are Russian. I experienced this as such a varying issue and I spent the greater part of my 7 years there trying to sort it out. It totally depended it seemed on which pocket of people you found yourself in. For example when I first arrived I spent a good time asking locals etc which language should I learn to be able to really do well in Kiev…again the responses were equally pro Russian and Pro Ukrainian. There are strong options and feelings on both sides. One thing to know is that to try to govern this multi language and multi cultural country by ethnicity will I believe always lead to conflict.
Thank you Konstantin. Thank you David. The Sense Making course is superb.
Thanks.
That bit at the end was the kind of REAL debate that's been lacking for all too long. Nice one guys.
I thorowly enjoyed the last bit where it gets into diffucult territory and they don't shy away.
Thanks for bringing out the truth and educate people , we are sick of the lies and constructions about Ukraine and what is happening there
what truth?? you obviously are suffering from PPES
@@phigupot8976 you without a doubt have the most unintelligent and pathetically partisan comments in this comment section. good job
@@-Automind- that really means alot coming from 6' under my feet
@@phigupot8976 expand on that a little bit. thankss
@@-Automind- that whenst beneath cometh be of that nature
Really Rebel Wisdom, you’re not down with Trump because he is “individualist and didn’t want America to be world’s policeman?”
You watched the whole interview and that was all you took from it 🙈
@@xiaomoogle for real. it's absolutely insane how dramatically skewed a person's opinion can be and how closed minded it can make them when they have such a strong internal bias. it's like they literally can't hear the truth. its getting to the point of almost being nauseating
@@xiaomoogle for example, how did this comment get 15 likes? it's almost like it has to be 15 unconscious people. like wtf lol?
@@-Automind- I know... I basically see the same behaviour on the right and left. Ignoring facts, focusing on personal opinion, obsessing over conspiracies and ignoring the truth. I think the point in this talk about if you make people confused about what is true, you can control them, was key. Wake up sheeple! We need to unite not fight.
It's crazy to say President Trump did not believe in diplomacy. That is entirely what his foreign policy was based on-- but not traditional diplomats; instead deal making. (minute marker 00:55:00)
I love these conversations
@producer of Rebel Wisdom :- I was distracted throughout by the "yellow powder" under the noses of KK and David. Do you think the lighting needs to be looked at?
18:30 thank you!
great work fellas. never seen either of you guys before, but this was a very genuine, well thought conversation that i believe is necessary right now. excellent work
Man with the beard is living in La La land. KKisn is spot on. I wish the world would listzen to him.
the 'world' as you think in your leftism sphere doesn't want the lies and spin wash you daily consume
24:00-when the media and establishment deserve trust it will come, maybe with a lag, but it will come. And if they persist in lying and defaming, trust will not return.
It is not complicated.
MSM only (mis)use trust to make us swallow the lies they are payed to promote.
"I don't have trump derangement.... but trump.. bleh bleh bleh!"
Even after all the media lies have been proven false. True TDS just like Harris.
As a Belarusian, I appreciate a well informed and not only-sides view of the war. Thanks for your great job.
Viewpoints being different is normal and okay
As thought provoking and intellectual as this conversation was, one thing that caught my attention coming from one side of this conversation was ''i feel like'' mentality. Instead of approaching the subject with your emotions, you should use your critical thinking. Instead of ''i feel like'' you should start with ''i think'', ''i'm thinking''. Many big decisions made by acting emotionally have dire unforseen consquences. Sadly we see that in our ruling partys too often these days!
Konstantin is quite good in understanding what is happening. I hope that more people are aware of the complexities of Russian and Ukrainian relationship.
If both nation's were led by wiser leadership. This war did not have to take place.
🕊💛
Dang video took down?
I was brought up in a culture where people always talk about Freedom(自由/ direst translation of Kanji is self + affirmation ) comes with accountability. I found pro-Ukrainian sentiment that Ukraine is fight for the whole democratic world is uneasy. Ukraine should fight for its own benefit, for its own freedom.
Ouch!
It's so pathetic that people still can't think objectively about Trump and his presidency. Even with everything that's happened since to contrast it against.
Trump who let arch globalist Mattis defy him all the time, particularly on troops at the border, and trans soldiers?
Trump who got completely played by Bibi?
Trump who got completely played by Milley?
Trump who was disloyal AF to Sessions who backed him before everybody, and who had no choice but to recuse himself?
Trump who said " I am a globalist "
Trump who hits on his own daughter ad nauseam?
Trump who was an incredible draft dodger?
Trump who admitted he didn't fire fauci because the left would have gotten mad?
Trump who didnt lift a finger when big tech censored his supporters?
Trump who tried real hard to appoint gun grabber chuck Canterbury to the ATF?
Trump who is super pro vaccine these days?
Trump who kept gin soaked Giuliani around way past his sell by date,despite staff begging him to cut ties?
that Trump? or is their another one im unaware of?
@@paulsansonetti7410 yeah that trump. I never said he didn't mess up or that he's perfect, and those are all valid criticisms. I'm just saying that still trying really hard to make up a narrative to convince yourself he was deferential to Putin given the current situation is close to genuine derangement.
@@expressionofwill5307 not but considering he got punked by milley, Bibi, mattis, and fauci im just not buying the god emperor narrative
@@expressionofwill5307 they got along better than Biden and Putin because trump is much closer to the mossad faction of the deep state, and Biden is much closer to the CIA part of the deep state, and the mossad part dislikes putin but still respects him on some level, and is largely friendly with China, while the CIA faction hates them both incredibly
@@paulsansonetti7410 They only hate China because of the competition - CIA and China are both involved in economic rape of third world countries and trying to gain control of their governments, and they both use the drug trade to fund their operations.
Appreciate KK’s knowledge and views and don’t agree though that we need bullies on the International stage …we certainly need wisdom and wisdom and bullying don’t go hand in hand.
i lived in Ukraine and can tell you KK is a neo N who talks like a neo N -lies all lies
ca: 50:00 I also take issue with the term _counter-factual_ because it can lead to a "rabbit hole" disagreement about the meaning of the word _fact_ or derail into an argument about specific facts. What's wrong with the more usual term _hypothetical situation_ ?
Konstantin is very clear-headed & realistic imho
Two great channels coming together setting an example for searching for Truth. Thank you!
What on earth is the host talking about Trump at the end is lower than CNN ot NYT.
It's called "an opinion". Practice with me: AN O-P-I-N-I-O-N. An opinion. And was that the only take away you got from this very interesting discussion? I thought people hated wokeness because they refuse to accept others opinions and get annoyed if someone actually presents an alternative view. The comments from people getting upset about the Trump criticism sound very similar.
Great guest, nice to have some nuance. Of course, I don't agree that Stepan Bandera is just a mis-Step (pun!).
Konstantin Kisin is rising fast on my shortlist of 'balanced and reliable influencers'.
Same here.
@@sirk74 At a time when that very short-list becomes shorter and shorter.
Only immigrants to the UK appreciate our values. Astute observation.
A young woman escaped from Mariupol 2-3 days ago. She said « Nobody is right or wrong we just want peace» when asked whos to blame .
I remember that. I saw a Patrick Lancaster video of Mariupol refugees and a woman said that. Very impressive.
Irrespective of what she may say, it's clearly Russia's fault the city has been destroyed.
On the other hand, thousands of civilians have been buried in mass graves in Mariipol and their families definitely blame Russia. Note that 41% of residents of Mariupol and ethnic Russians, many are now dead.
@@MsCosmpolite So far I have not heard anyone blaming the russians. I have heard many blaming Azov and the americans. What everyone with the ability to google knows, is that US for years have spend billions of $s on propaganda in and weapons to Ukraine while US government also know this would trigger a war with Russia.
@@ellengran6814 LMFAO - "Ellen" you have earned your 500 rubles for the day, go to bed and ask God for forgiveness.
Year 2022 is year of Stepan Bandera and UPA in Ukraine which is 80 years anniversary of their start of infamous crimes against humanity. He’s the biggest hero in Ukraine for most of Ukrainians. They defeated his killing of Jews, Polish and Russian ( 200 000 ) people as an act of defending fatherland.
You forgot to end it with "they don't deserve to exist"
@@dmi3kno yes they DO!
🤡🤣🥱
Really interesting and productive discussion particularly the end as well.
WOW Such a cool thinking person. As you are.
Russia has never been invaded by a democracy.
Excellent point.
But Ukraine has been invaded twice by democracies, the US in 2014, to overthrow the Ukrainian President, and install a far-right junta, to attack the people in the Donbass. Second by Russia, to remove the NATO trained extremists and stop the killing in the Donbass.
How about a Noble's democracy?
Crimean War?? Naooleon? Germany? Japan? Learn your history.
@@hudsonstraight8628 Napoleon, a Democrat? Imperial Japan a democracy? Nazi Germany a democracy? The Crimean War was caused by Russia invading parts of the Ottoman Empire. Somebody does indeed need to learn their history.
Thank you again for not playing the swiss about this like so many "heterodox thinkers" like to do now. You will not fix anything by saying "nobody started this, everybody is equally responsible", you have to analyze objectively and then you HAVE to pick a side, even if it's just for a moment, because otherwise you can't act. We call this paralyzes through analysis. I've always considered myself more on the left but that's why I can say clearly and with confidence, that the left is responsible for this situation, because they control the mainstream since years now and they are driving everybody more and more towards the extremes, this needs to be called out and stoped. It's not helping anyone to do the whataboutism with the right, especially not when their response is clearly provoked by the left.
Feels like trading whataboutism for blame games. The left is only a reaction to slavery and segregation etc etc further into history.
you have a fundamental failure of intellect. you said "the left has control of mainstream for years now". There is NO left in the west that has any power over anything. The narrative is controlled by corporate-neo liberals (ie. NEO right wingers). If you think being woke is the criteria for being left.... you have failed to understand what "the left" is. Anyway, it doesn't matter.... the left has been a non-actor for the last 30 years, all western leadership are right wingers (autocrats, oligarchs, monarchs).
It affects him so he can’t be cute about seeing both sides. Typical for these edgy heterodox thinkers. Everything is a joke or intellectual masturbationn until it arrives at your door. Hopefully he comes to his senses, but probably won’t, no money to be made on alternative media doing that.
The left controls the mainstream media? Wtf...
@@juancsmix Jesus....just get this over with and tell me your interesting but silly theory on who is really behind all this 🙄
I bet this is gonna be a great video, love to kK at this difficult time
Im glad that David is still holding the narrative surrounding Trump.
Because it's useful for me.
I can use this video to show to Democrats within my family
To show them their narrative meeting a differing narrative while also not being pro Trump.. this forces them to engage with the points and not dismiss it as fake news and protrump propaganda from the far right.
At the minute 19:45 he says: "at the risk of you accusing me of throat clearing".
What does it means?
I've never heard that expression before.
long, introductory phrases at the beginning of a sentence, considered unnecessary or repetitive.
The interviewer asks him a question about Russian propaganda's aim to destroy the idea that truth exists. The guest knows he's not going to answer that question directly, and pivots to a tangential subject at the risk of being accused of throat clearing.
@@ClownCarCoup Thanks.
David fuller loves the word ‘heterodox’
Davids TDR is so ridiculous!
What are they talking about with “james” at 37 min?
That was an unexpected ending
David Fuller hasnt got over his TDS, Trump stopped the most despotic leader KimJong Un lobbing missiles over Japan, Trump recognised Jerusalem AND THEN got Saudi Arabia and the Emirates into a historical rapproachment with Israel, Trump got rid of ISIS, FULLER WHAT MORE DO WANT?? And all the while HOUNDED by the Demonrats.
Imo, Putin would not invade Ukraine if Trump was in power, sith Trump telling Zelinsky to accept the status quo of Crimea and Donbass. Stoltenberg, Macron, Germany Johnson would wilt from Trumps sheer " wielding the big stick" . Out come Germany EU, happy with their Russian Nord 2 energy, Putin would retreat after some face saving compromises. The world returns to normality. Yhe bastard West is trying to paint Russia as expansionist when the past 32 years shows it has been exactly vice versa, NATO should have been disbanded just as the Warsaw Pact was. Im glad the Uke/ Russian bloke stood up to the bearded pommie prick.
At 7 mins 40 he meant to say "over 20 million" not 20 thousand died from the Soviet Union in WW2, it's put at 27 million on Wikipedia.
And the host knows so little he didn't correct him! It was a slip of the tongue for KK but the other chap.....
What is James Lindsay saying?
How useful is counterfactual conjecture
Half way in so far. Kostya is spot on. I`m amazed how only in these circles do people deny everything. All of the world agrees. But they shout propaganda everywhere.
Ah so you align completely with Constance ! Interesting
Big Trump blindspot for Dave here. I'll take KK's viewpoint there.
I wish we lived in a liberal democracy
Its dream like communism. Good on a paper and than you start bombing countries to become liberal democracy because the end justifies the means. But its ok because we are the good guys.
Move to North Korea....I hear it's lovely this time of year
Wait, wait, didn't Trump sort of blackmailed Zelensky into giving him Hunter's Byden info in exchange of those weapons? I believe there is record of that.
Now you understand international diplomacy. Trump just showed you how’s it’s done....
"Conspiracy theories are like potato chips--you can't have only one." ~Me and Dave
Two of my favourite CZcamsrs. Love the Collab.
Konstantin🥰
Can someone please explain what's going on with James Lindsay? I love his work, the Klaus Schwab thing's a little out there, but what's this about Ukraine? He doesn't think it's actually happening? What's this about him not doing well?
He has not been doing well for quite some time if you ask me. I loved Cynical Theories when it came out, but I am afraid he has been losing his marbles more and more after their success. He has gone somewhat woke anti-woke.
I guess Helen Pluckrose was the more reasonable author of the two.
Lindsay desperately needs a different gig than just being anti-woke.
@@ChollieD You haven't explained what's happened to him.
@@ThePathOfEudaimonia You haven't explained what's happened.
@M P This comment stinks of ego. Your sense making is shite if you think that getting triggered and abusing someone is reasonable adult behaviour. I highly doubt you'd speak to me like that if we were face to face, especially with the risk of grievous bodily harm being high. Check yourself, coward, because if you don't someone just might hurt you.
1:01:27 "I don't think that people in charge of a country like the United States look at a country like Ukraine and think about the President. I think the geopolitical interests involved..." This is exactly why putin would made the same decision regardless of what person was in the oval office at the time. We massively overestimate the importance of that one person.
Brilliant real conversation - thank you
"Welcome to the dark side." Gold!
I love seeing two intelligent people discussing divergent views. I tend to think like KK but we should always keep our minds open if we want to learn and do better
This conversation clarified a number of things. One is that if you play devil's advocate a lot or too much, you run the risk of never figuring out what's real and where you really stand. Another thing is why I do not particularly enjoy this channel. KK's observation ca. 53:01 was the catalyst.
How is Biden's luck of precision in his language (to put it mildly) proved helpful from before Putin invaded Ukraine to his last remarks in Warsaw?
About the language issue, the Russian speakers might not had a huge issue, historically.
But the Hungarian speakers did, both during the USSR and after.
Assimilation policies included repatriation, bulldozing majority Hungarian villages, making it a criminal offense to use their native language in public spaces. The worst of it ended with the fall of USSR, but the bad blood remained.
And hostilities flared up again after Crimea, Ukraine made a language law which targeted the Russians, but other minorities also suffered again, as a collateral.
25:00 My own largest problem exploring the alternative space is also that it "leans conspiratorial".
I recently spent six hours listening to various podcasts hosting James Lindsay on social justice culture and I really liked his objective content, while also having lot of problems with the magnitude of his anti-institutional venom, which did seem to tilt conspiratorial.
He was an especially interesting case, because the degree he exposes this was entirely dependent upon the show. Very little of this was evident in his sober appearance on EconTalk. A whole lot of this was evident in his appearance with Mikhaila Peterson (who wasn't pushing back much harder than Dave Rubin used to do with his more controversial guests before I tuned him out). It was also a persistent subtext in James' appearance on Timcast, laced throughout with frat-boy riffs I completely failed to parse. If I hadn't actually followed his across my normal podcast boundaries I wouldn't have realized the extent of his personal politics.
In the Beyond Belief 2007 Conference, "Enlightenment 2.0", David Brin goes off on a five-minute rant posing a question to the panel (Daniel Dennett, David Sloan Wilson, Jonathan Haidt, Michael Shermer) concerning propaganda.
_If I were to ask you, what propaganda do you see, you'd all point to religion. When in fact if you look at modern film, modern movies, modern television, the most common message in almost every film is suspicion of authority, usually accompanied by its Sancho Panza sidekick of tolerance. You will find that the main difference between a right wing piece of propaganda and a left wing piece of propaganda is_ who _is the nefarious conspiratorial authority figure, trying to bully his way around and create 1984._
Corollary: The most potent manifestation of the Dunning-Kruger effect is believing that your boss's job is simpler than your job, and that any damn fool could do you boss's job better than your boss.
Most of the people I know who've been promoted regularly are generally terrified to inherit their boss's job, and usually the first year is a very difficult year until you grow into the next rung.
Now, there are many people in the world who grow into a job they aren't capable of doing gracefully by becoming a gruff bully. This doesn't actually mean that the job is easy, it just means that the job can be done badly. And it's actually fairly likely the next boss up perceives the problem, but is so busy righting their own ship, that wading into the problem is not their first management priority. This is all bog-standard organizational dysfunction; it's all far from _Rise and Fall of Rome_ material, 99% of the time.
Except in the alternative media space, where it's dangerous to your audience engagement to directly challenge this mantra.
After writing that, Google fetched me a paper titled _The Dunning-Kruger Effect Is Probably Not Real_ (December 2020) which claims that the effect can be replicated using random data, not taken from human subjects, making the result a methodological artifact.
They did find a small group, about 5-6% of their study observations, where unskilled people were unaware that they were unskilled.
Still plenty enough for a trope, if not for a valid scientific result.
34:00 I had no idea they would come around to James Lindsay in particular, because I hadn't got this far. All the stuff with Lindsay that I consumed predated the Ukraine situation.
@@afterthesmash - Then again, 5-6% is a significant part of the population. Some argue that, potentially under the right conditions, it only takes a few percentage of highly engaged and organized individuals to change a society.
About the conspiratorial, that has been studied quite a bit. It's been found that people prone to paranoia and conspiracy theorizing don't only perceive more Machiavellianism in others but are more likely to measure higher in Machiavellianism in themselves. It's not clear if it's merely an issue of their projecting their own tendencies on others or if obsessing over a fearful worldview elicits Machiavellianism in them. In either case, one needs to take with a grain of salt anyone who constantly fear-mongers.
We do know from other studies that stress and sickliness (parasite load, pathogen exposure, high inequality, etc) increase population measures of many things: social conservatism, right-wing authoritarianism, social dominance orientation, dark personality (psychopathy, narcissism, Machiavellianism, etc. What much of this has in common is low measures of the dual personality trait 'openness to experience' and 'intellect', which strongly correlates to liberal-mindedness and social liberalism.
Is it true that the slogan Zelenski uses "Slava Ukraine" was the Nazi slogan used by Bandera? 15:00
Yes, it's kind of same as Heil Hitler
Watching David dig himself a hole was hilarious - last 20 minutes with no facts. The Europeans had been riding the back of US Military and Russian energy and not investing in their own security... period.
100%. This is what Trump was pointing out in his own lowbrow way. And the establishment hammered him relentlessly for "trying to destroy NATO" for it.
@@WhizzingFish12 Asking for things that won't happen has no political cost. It's why all the big oil companies say they're for carbon credits. Trump is a paper tiger, and the only reason he berated other Nato countries to pay more, was so the US could pay less. As David pointed out (correctly i believe) Trump saw zero value of Nato to the US, and simply wanted to spend less on it, as it was government waste.
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Can any one please give me one "multilateral response" on the international stage that actually worked, in that the diplomacy prevented a war from breaking out? a genuine question since I can't think of any. Have sanctions ever prevented a war?