Why Russians Will Never Turn on Putin w/ Konstantin Kisin
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Konstantin kisin is a Russian-British comedian, podcaster, writer and social commentator. He made international headlines in 2018 by refusing to sign a "University Behavioral Agreement" form, which banned jokes about religion and atheism, and insisted that all humor must be respectful and kind. He is also the creator and co-host of the @Triggerpod CZcams show, where two comics interview economists, political experts, journalists and social commentators about interesting, controversial and challenging subjects. In this episode, we discuss Twitter under Elon Musk's leadership, why Sam Harris left that platform, why free speech absolutism is a trap, how the western culture war affects views on the Russia-Ukraine conflict, Russia's own internal politics, Konstantin's book 'An Immigrant's Love Letter to the West', redefining words for political purposes, wokeness and comedy, the debate surrounding gender ideology and trans issues, and why the UK seems better equipped to handle this than the United States.
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"Anytime you have a weak leader, bad things happen" - Lets Go Brandon.
Sure, Putin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Kaddafi, Hitler - were "strong" leaders. Good nothing bad happened during their leadership
You call Putin "strong leader"? That paranoidal grandpa who poops in a suitcase and lives in a bunker? He's afraid of everything, and especially - of russian people
That's "Mr. Biden" to you, because he's your daddy.
Note that the original meaning of "terrible" is more like "terrifying" rather than "bad", so when that translation was made long ago into English, it was more accurate than it seems now.
I do agree, I am not Russian but Serbian but I believe that you are absolutely right!
"terrible" still means terrifying or fearsome in formal English. The tsar's name in English does not need changing.
@@DieFlabbergast True, but the common meaning nowadays is something negative, bad. Similarly, "awful" came from "full of awe", but similarly now is generally used in a negative sense rarher than "awe-inspiring". There seems to be a tendency for the meanings of many words to cheapen or degrade over the centuries.
Kostia! You have been away from motherland for too long and under western media influence. The reason the vast majority of Russians support Putin is that we believe he has our backs and he is objectively one of the best politicians there are. Russia is a huge county with a lot of natural resorces that everyone wants. If we have a weak leader that doesn't have it's people's back our country will be divided into small pices and Russians will have lost all of their natural resourses. Something like what was going on in Africa where western "dimocracies" have plundered every imaginable resourses with no regard for african lives and wellbeing. And we, Russians, are not stupid nor are we barbarians. We are a rapidly developing country that doesn't want to be turned into a bunch of warring tribes. And we see the "democracy" that the west is promoting and frankly we want none of it.
What you are right about is that we do remember our history very well and we had a lot of struggle and suffering but not in recent years. That is what a strong leader that has his people's backs does to a county. Unfortunately to Russians majority of western countries do not have strong leaders and nither do those leades have the wellbeing of their people as the highest priority. When you have weak and greedy leaders in charge of great countries you get world conflit.
His motherland is Israel. Kisin is "Russian" as much as Zelensky: both are jevvish, both are failed clowns, both are cocaine addicts, and both work for MI6/CIA.
just one thing westerners seem to forget : in america (and western europe), the autocrats are in the shadows
8:22 -- Economic prosperity, eh?
Why would they turn on a dude who made average Russian's life bout 4 to 5 times better than it was in 1991?
First off you know Putin didnt come in power until 1999 right? The way you worded that makes me think you don't realize that. And secondly because that increases in stndard of living started to reverse in the 2010s when Putin becamse more authoritarian and clearly with a sane leader they could go back to real growth and return to an increasing standard of living.
He didn't do a goddamn thing to improve economy or infrastracture. What growth we've seen, it was mostly due to liberation of economy and wealth redistribution attracting investors and innovative people, and then insane oil and gas money coming to Russia in 00s, providing a good cascade for cleptocrates to leech from and still manage economy growth. But since 2008 Putin decided to go gathering lands instead of developing own, and in 2012 he used loophole in constitution and rigged elections and started full on authoritarian turn. We still have the same infrastructure we got from USSR spare for internet and some highways. Gasification is rural Russia is nonexistant. The effect of birth stimulation has been gone since 2014 due to sanctions that still affect citizens and plunged ruble down even more that 2008 crisis. Of course majority voter is as stupid as it gets and attributes causality to things that just happened in the same time, like rain and god. But Putin is not a talented politician or manager and inside nice facades Russia has been slowly degrading.
Russian purchasing power declined drastically around 1999, then again around 2015 after the initial sanctions for invading Crimea. You can look it up yourself just search for Ruble value over time and look at the past 25 years.
when they realize most of that was from increased international trade and having reasonable relations with other European nations, and that Putin is squandering decades of economic advancement over his stupid war. but their state media will never portray things this way so it's unlikely that will ever happen.
because now the same dude is making it 10 times worse.
This is really thoughtful interview
The Russian word грозный (grozny) can also be translated as "stern". So Ivan the Terrible can also be referred to as Ivan the Stern
We've been calling him Ivan the Terrible for centuries: we know exactly what it means, and we're not going to change it.
why are you getting emotional as a guy?@@DieFlabbergast
Thoughtful discussion. Loved it
the only force that could topple putin is the army................and putin is doing an excellent job at weakening the russian army.............putin depends on the FSB
- doesn't push degenerate ideologies
- doesn't let NATO bully his country
- as others have pointed out, russians live better lives than they did when he took the office(s)
“Let it be worse, but let it be ours.” Putin is authoritarian, but he’s Russia’s authoritarian. Ivan the Terrible ~ Big Bad John. Not hard to understand.
Russia is the World’s biggest jail.
Democracy has almost never existed. Lots of reasons. It requires a very specific set of historical circumstances, to bring it about. Such as a religion that promotes human dignity, the rule of law, fairness, compassion, equality as worthwhile concepts. These are not human universals, most religions don't emphasize them, they evolved out of Christianity, after a very long time. For many hundreds of years, even Christians didn't believe in them. Christianity evolved morally, but at first it accepted slavery, for instance. Also likely democracy requires general cultural uniformity and sharing of common values and beliefs, which is unlikely in a multi-racial society. Lee Kwan Yew was one of the great men of history. When Singapore was poor, it had several competing ethnicities, vying for power. He understood this: In a capitalist system, some groups outcompete other groups. For instance Jews in America are 1% of the population, but 50% of the richest 25 Americans. This brings about severe wealth and power concentration, inflating jealousy and hatred and rivalry that can rip a society apart. Chinese had a similar pattern in Singapore, they were outcompeting other groups economically, destabilizing Singapore. The genius and fairness of Lee was he understood this, wasn't arrogant about it, he was practical. Through government policy he made sure that all ethnic groups got the basics in life, as capitalism succeeded: reasonable quality housing, medical care, education etc. Pure moral genius combined with economic genius. America hasn't learned his lessons, yet. Unfortunately America has a greedy stupid elite, who are good at making money and amassing wealth, but care very little for the people they govern. The American elite prefer the Klaus Schwab model, of a tiny elite controlling all wealth and power: "You will own nothing, and be happy." The same stupid destructive pattern happened in Germany, before the war, to simplify things, while retaining a bit of truth. Humans are usually stupid, occasionally smart. Hitler was a period of stupid. He was villainized as uniquely evil, which is not true. He was the norm, but with more dangerous weapons. Will humans be able to avoid this stupid pattern repeating?...of greedy stupid elites? I hope so, but it's an uphill battle. Race and ethnic based greed are more common than the things needed to build or maintain a successful democracy...wisdom and fairness: Lee Kwan Yew knew this. He was the most successful and smart leader of holding a multi-ethnic society together. Unfortunately for us, this great man with the most experience successfully holding a multi-racial society together, he was not at all optimistic, about it's future, as a social pattern.
The US founding fathers never wanted democracy. Ours is a "republic". Athenian Democracy many Americans misrepresent and praise was considered near-anarchy/mob-rule. In the classic teaching, the worst form of gov't was democracy and confirmed in the writings of Thucydides, Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle.
While I agree with you on what you said, democracy is not what this country was about or want.
@@thomasc9036 Good comment. I used the word democracy, in the interest of simplicity, as most people don't understand this, to the level you do, on republics vs. democracy.
@@TimBitts649 I am a Korean American. As you said, the Western form of gov't is only possible due to the Christian culture and teachings. Mostly from Protestant Anglosphere influences.
Lee Kwan Yew was a realist and pragmatist. He saw early that Singapore was a multi-ethnic and multi-religious nation. Even though ethnic Chinese were the majority, he purposely chose English as the national language because he knew he needed the West's help to rise the poverty.
Modern Western nations can't understand why a dominant gov't structure is needed in non-Protestant Christian influenced cultures. China, Korea, Singapore, and Japan remember the horrors of Opium addictions during the first and second Opium War. They literally executed anyone suspected of selling drugs to prevent something like from repeating as happening in America. That's not possible in a non-dominant leader gov't structure.
@@thomasc9036 Yeah, different religions lead to the need for different government structures, as you said. Your comment was good, thanks.
The problem is those internal threats do exist, why Ukraine was invaded - they let NATO solders to step foot on land of our common ancestors, they attacked our Soviet people, which weren't agreed to diverse to policies implied by metropolia. People that had strong bond with Russia. Konstantin is a smart man, but he long time haven't been in Russia. Russian people do change like all the rest of the world. As he said don't come to us and teach us how to live. I say we have our own view on world future and facts, as any other independent country's. What he said is true we have all reasons fear and not to trust NATO, they rejected all our offers to build common safe unity, and spread disinformation on our soil, building rusofobic atmosphere in our neighborhood.
It all boils down to the aspect of culture. Culture is a determining factor of style of political leadership in every nation. I believe that democracy is suited for the west, but in places like China and Russia (these two countries especially), democracy has but the faintest chance of functioning. This is why Xi resorted to the coining 'socialism with Chinese characteristics', because he understood that the Imperial times associated with the traditions within brought a sense of unity coupled with a strong leader. And to simply affirm what Konstantin said.. Russia will probably never change because of its bloody history of being overrun multiple times by its enemies. Western culture in certain areas needed to be voluntarily adopted, not necessarily forced. this is why you see a failure of democratic values in African countries, its a cultural issue.
Интересный вопрос.
Bravo. Very intelligent, well-founded arguments.
Konstantin, you talk about the NATO encirclement of Russia and the encroachment of foreign bases along Russia's border as if it's some sort of half-assed conspiracy theory. Do you really imagine Russia's situation on the Black Sea would be more secure if NATO had control of the Sevastopol naval base? If you do, can I assume you believe that the US would welcome Chinese military bases in Mexico or Canada, because it would enhance US security?
well said
spot on, what a dishonest POS Konstantin is
poor russia, such a victim of the big bad nato. the countries around russia asked to join nato because russia is a demented country with demented leaders, who only did harm around it.
@@tecuci76 Well, let's have a look at that. In 1990, when the Soviet Union collapsed, the US promised Russia that if they agreed to the re-unification of Germany, NATO wouldn't move one inch East of the German border. Fast forward to 2022 and something like 17 countries to the East of the German border have been added to NATO. Weird but there it is. Then, in 2008, NATO 'announced' that Ukraine and Georgia 'would' also be joining NATO. Russian protests were ignored even though Russia made it clear that Ukrainian or Georgian entry to NATO would be regarded as an existential threat to the Russian Federation. In 2014 the US and UK fomented a coup in Ukraine and 'replaced' the pro-Russian Government with a pro-EU/NATO government. The new Ukrainian government then launched a civil war against the ethnic Russians in the East of Ukraine. Taking the hint, Russia then re-occupied Crimea. Ukraine and Russia then came to an agreement to end the war against the ethnic-Russian separatists, but Ukraine simply ignored those agreements (the Minsk Accords) and kept waging war against the Donbas, killing something like 14,000 people in the process. NATO did nothing during this eight-year period to encourage their new vassal state to abide by the terms of the agreements, despite the killings. In the meantime, NATO launched a massive effort to build up and train the new Ukrainian Army (even though Ukraine isn't a NATO member) which at the time of the Russian invasion was the second largest army in Europe! So, yeah, I think a case can be made for Russia being a 'victim' of NATO aggression. And frankly, if this monster (corrupt and totally undemocratic as Ukraine actually is) that NATO and people like you have created turns into a thermo-nuclear catastrophe that ends-up destroying the world as we know it; well, you have no one to blame but yourselves.
That's the example I always give to those who only listen to the western narrative. I am pro-peace, but it saddens me that people are too lazy or too scared to look at things in a wider perspective, and then they repeat half-truths like they really knew exactly what's going on...
BTW, I can only see 2 comments, but it shows there are 5....? I wonder what the other 3 were... Happens more and more often on YT...
1:30 Константин, с каких это про смутное время зовут «временем проблем»?
Ну, на английском именно так и называют.
лучше его спросить почему он отсылается к Ивану Грозному, хотя, традиционно, в нашей истории он воспринимается негативно, за исключением отдельных историков. Ну и очевидные проюблемы с переводом слова "Грозный"
@@momala3919 И все таки, Иван Грозный - великий царь.
In the 60s we Americans were afraid of Russians. I love the idea of living under Putin’s rule. No wonder why Russians love and trust Putin. Like Trump; Putin is strong. Took Putin years to turn Russia around, and he did. He protects Russians, and their country; and he doesn’t waver with his values. I love watching him at work.
And sends thousands and thousands of them to their doom in Ukraine.
Guessing this is a bot
Same as canada then.
Tired of hearing about our free speech and democracy here in the west, we never had , we had socialism for the rich and capitalism for the rest….
Just ask him why Taiwan, Japan and Korea work, because freedom is In human nature, over culture.
Japan is an ethnostate, Taiwan is a colony of the US, Korea had a dictator up until the 90s
@@aar0n709Excuses, excuses.
@@AbbeyRoadkill1 are you stupid?
If you say that Russia has its own 'culture' which produces a fondness for strong leaders, then are you guilty of that western arrogance and determinism that you claim to deplore?
Russia wasn’t built as a free nation, for the people and by the people. Russia has survived due to strong leadership. Look at our American death rattler as a leader. He doesn’t lead or protect our country.
Yes.
I don't know. While Putin was running the country the oligarchs stole untold amounts of money while 38% of the commodes in Russia do not have running water. The Russian army lost as many men in one year of the war with Ukraine as the U.S. lost during its decade of involvement in the Vietnam War. I am not as amenable to strong leaders. People decry Neville Chamberlin's capitulation to Hitler, but his actions, or lack of action, bought the British needed time to prepare for the Battle of Britain. Hitler was a strong leader. Look at what it got the German people. Joseph Stalin did modernize Russia, but his military was totally unprepared for the onslaught by the Nazis, and Russia lost 20 million people as a result. Stalin killed millions of Russians himself. Too many of these strong leaders leave untold dead people in their wake.
So?
Putins ok with me.. .
I don't know why people want Putin and Xi overthrown. Revolutions are killing fields. You want to push for reform, not revolutions. The French Revolutions should have taught us that.
bc they are childish.
that's the point, strong Russia and China are threats, China especially since it has a real economy
People? Only CIA and MI6 paid shills like this Kisin. Revolutions & coups are cheaper than wars, CIA/MI6 are behind dozens, even hundreds of revolutions and coups in the last 100years and they always follow the same scenario.
Putin is threatening nuclear war& its totally understandable why ukraians& dissidents in Russia want coups, the ccp has continued its terrors Vs students,buhhdists,falun gong& Uighurs, many Chinese want a couple too. A revolution is a fundamental change from top to bottom which the Bolsheviks & Maoists did, a couple is more of change to a norm, todays normal in most of Eastern Europe is democracy & also in Asia: Taiwan , Japan, the Philippines, etc see various form of parliamentary democracy as normal. Totalitarian states rarely reform, coups done via reformists do vmuch seem to be the only way, the end of the USSR was done almost bloodlessy. Iam part ukrainian, part polish with jewish& Russia relatives thou mainly British & learnt this from my family, university & all my 49 yrs.
Oh dear, oh dear, Konstantin. Your grasp of English isn't as good as I thought. I'm disappointed in you. "Ivan the Terrible" is a perfectly good translation of Иван Грозный. Not only did the word "terrible" (from "terror," obviously) mean "causing terror" (i.e. terrifying) in 16th century English, -- it still does! We still speak of a "terrible storm," a "terrible fate," or a "terrible tragedy." "Terrible" in the sense of being bad or useless is a purely colloquial usage. In formal English, "terrible" still means the same as "terrifying." No educated native English speaker (assuming there are still such creatures around) would misunderstand the meaning of "Ivan the Terrible."
And because of that colloquial usage he explained the true and original meaning of the word. The first sentence you wrote is so condescending, patronising, indeed aggressive (especially given that Russian is K's 1st language), that it clearly shows how many complexes you hide inside. I could develop this thought, but people like you never listen and go straight to "the best form of defence"...
@@dariostarsky8124 angry? triggered? No reason to be hysterical, go kiss Kissin's ar$e some more to calm down.
@@dariostarsky8124 Dear me! It is YOU who didn't listen to the video. Go back and listen again: Kisin "explains" that "Ivan the Terrible is not called Ivan the Terrible in Russian," he is called "Ivan the Fearsome." But that is PRECISELY what "Ivan the Terrible" means in English": as I explained (though I shouldn't have to) "terrible" did mean the same as Грозный back in the 16th century, and it STILL does in formal English. My first sentence was NOT "patronising," it was a statement of the facts. As Ben Shapiro always says: "The facts don't care about your feelings." My tone wasn't patronising, it was disappointed, because I am a great admirer of Mr. Kisin, and because, in any case, he has been in England and the English education system since he was 13: he is NOT a "Russian who speaks English," he is effectively an Englishman whose early life was spent in Russia. His English is far better than that of most native-born people, and probably better than mine, and so he doesn't get a "victimology card" in this case. THAT is why I posted the comment. I have no complexes about language skills, sonny boy (and YOU imply use of ad hominem!): I have spent the past 40 years earning a living as a translator of Japanese to English. It is precisely because I am a translator by profession that silly statements like ""Ivan the Terrible is a bad translation of Иван Грозный" annoy me so much. I did NOT "attack" Kisin, I criticised this one statement of his, because I have heard it too many times, and it is wrong.
How did Lee Kwan Yew deal with the case of Japan, Korea, or Taiwan? I think democracy can fit quite snugly into traditional Chinese culture by way of the Tian Ming, the Mandate of Heaven. That is, when a dynasty declines, it is perfectly okay to overthrow it, because Heaven now wants a new dynasty. The dynasty can never admit this, nor can they build institutions that allow it to happen, and thus the transition is necessarily violent. But, democratic institutions can serve this purpose while keeping society functional.
To me, the lesson of the war in Ukraine - the heartland of Russian culture - is that the retreat of our pundits from the position they held in the 90s was premature. In the 90s, we were assured that both free markets and democracy were unstoppable. As we saw that China refused to budge with democracy, as we saw the Middle East violently rejecting it, and as we saw Russia slide back into dictatorship, we concluded that democracy was an unrealistic expectation, but let's at least keep free trade going. And then we see a nation fight tooth and nail for a thing that we believed it didn't want, for a year now, and with seriously high casualties.
I do not think Russia will ever become democratic - my personal experience working for them is that they adore fearsome and arbitrary leaders, and to be a ruler in Russia is to have no accountability. The Russians I worked for were some combination of alcoholic, pathological liar, and sadist. More importantly, the Russians I worked *with* had no problem with them. I'm not optimistic about the Middle East, and am only marginally optimistic about China, as I think it is possible that Chinese will start to want the forms of government that many overseas Chinese enjoy. However, we should not assume that other countries do not want democracy or are incapable of sustaining it.
The answer is simple fear.
" read Chinese at a first grade level and read that they are going to shut down testing blah blah." Whoaa slow down, hasty generalizations there friend.
Kisin : "we gave them the world cup in Katar."
No, half wrong. Hm, not precise.
The wreckless greedy Fifa Boss Men gave Katar that championship. We, as a democracy, have generated such a huge company like Fifa, we are letting it be, and we are not controlling it. !! As a democracy correctly does not control a company. But Fifa is so big, so unbelievably wealthy, operating in different continents, it can not be controlled. As power corrupts (quote) , it is not surprising that one quarter of the Fifa bosses have court cases against them in their respective home countries ..... if they d ever go there and visit.
Katar is not the problem. Kisin is right bout that. We have to deal with these "international spread out" monsters, Fifa, Olympic Comittee, etc .... which have begun in our culture, in our european home land ... and we have a lot to learn. The Fifa bosses are just human ... greedy and selfish.
Remember : a dictatorship always works. Just shooting opponents always works. It would never allow a Fifa... acting by itsself.
A democracy is always an attempt in a specific day n age, a good try, a new adventure of honest people .... evry day a new test of positive thinking ....
And a democracy will criticize itself. A dictator doesn't.
Prosperous? Have you been to russia?
Yes, yes I have
Compare Russia today to Russia in the early 90s. When communism fell and they lived under "western capitalism". The lives of Russians worsened when the Soviet Union collapsed. They don't associate freedom and prosperity together in Russia
Absolutely. Much better than UK.
yo
I always get the impression that Konstantin's negative stance on Russia is a personal psychological grievance he harbours that he then backs up with fairly lopsided historical 'evidence'. Just because someone's Russian doesn't automatically make them an expert on the country as is oft assumed with Mr Kisin.
listen to more of him. he's incredibly well read, learned and intelligent in his observations.
Kisin is "Russian" as much as Zelensky: both are jevvish, both are failed clowns, both are cocaine addicts, and both work for MI6/CIA. And yeah, they both speak Russian....
Generally speaking, most Westernized Russians are of the same mind. I moved to the U.S when I was 6yo so I didn't experience what it was like in the 90s all the much and I wasn't alive to witness the Soviet Union. I think this is a big reason why I'm much more objective than most of my family members. I don't have a direct comparison to the U.S, I can only go off of what I know from other people's experiences close to me.
Having both experiences raises the potential of having a more biased and radical view because no matter how bad it is in the U.S, it still isn't the 90s or Soviet Union.
Russians like to dance Electric Boogie, Ive seen it.
Some comments in this video are useless, no real logic in them, just a "salat of parts aspects".
Conc. Singapur: if you have a "first man/woman" in charge, who really acts in the interest of his people, of course it works for the people in this moment ... but only in this moment. And what after that? Democracy in combination with modern school education is the best existing political system - human history did proof it for over 5000 years.
Look at China - it will end in the same desaster as we have now in Russia. Most Chinese people have no real free education, they are brainwashed in a certain direction and the desaster for the world is inevitable.
Russia and China together, in addition Iran, N.Korea, Turkmenistan, Aserbaidschan, Syria, Turkey... they will be the frontline of a new cold and hot war between Western and Eastern world.
In Asia only in Japan, S.Korea and Taiwan there is enough free education and democracy, so that these countries are save against dictatorship. All the other countries, incl. India, Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand, even Singapur ... they depend on "by chance events", they do not have a core stability, and it is a real drama in my eyes, the world did not make any real progress in last 30 years, it was wasted time mainly - and is was even possible, that the whole planet would fall into dictatorship systems, when Trump got US president.
Trump is a criminal, he was it most of his life. The same is valid for Russia, ruled by criminals, for Aserbaidschan, ruled by criminals, for Iran, ruled by criminals ... corruption, theft, murder. The real line is the line between states in which law is respected and states, where the law is just a surreal theatre (see Russia).
Terrible means fearsome . . .
Democracy is a rich peoples game
.. that says it !!
That's a jew lol.
Elijah Craig small batch. Nice taste girl.