VIPER V10 TEARDOWN! From Bad To More Bad, To Mostly Bad. Who Needs A Coffee Table?
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My name is Eric and I own and run a full service auto salvage business called Importapart located in the Saint Louis MO area. Part of our model is dismantling and selling parts from rare and niche market engines. If you're interested in buying parts from other engines I've torn down, email us at Importapartsales@gmail.com.
In this video I tear down a (2004?) Dodge Viper V10 Core engine I bought from a viewer of this channel. I was told it had a bad cylinder, and he wasn't wrong! Join me as I tear this down and discover just how "bad" it is.
As always, I like all the feedback, suggestions and even the criticism, I love it all.
Catch you on the next one!
-Eric - Auta a dopravní prostředky
So nice of them to include dipping sauce with the piston nuggets.
Hahaha
jajajaajajajajaaa , dodge flavors
I understand that it tastes like baby seal tears.
Oooooh buddy!
My favorite 😋
Engine teardown reveals:
-exploded piston
-ruined block
-leaky head gaskets
-loose valve seats
-pitting on camshaft
-scored conrod bearings
-crankshaft ruined with pulley bolt seazed
-full sump of water+oil mix
What seller stated:
-maybe one cylinder is bad...maybe
I would go back like... They knew it haha
*ran when parked in craigslist ad
"misfire on one cylinder"
That’s probably all the ECM was able to figure out
If the block is no good, you are left with nothing. What would a new block cost - $10,000.
That missing headbolt and headgasket is an obvious sign someone else did a "peek and shriek" on this engine.
"Peek and shriek" - I must remember this one.
Exactly!
LMFAO
I must be too damn old. What is peek & shriek? Never heard of that term. Been around engines & racing for 60 years +.
@@craigpennington1251 it apparently comes from the medical field: it refers to a surgeon opening someone up, finding out the patient is too far gone, so they close him back up.
That car was once brand new and being delivered to a super happy guy.
And somewhere along the line, a series of really bad decisions were made, and here we are.😔
Bad decisions... Often work together with the phrase, _"Alcohol was involved."_
Temp gauge at 250: This is fine…
if it was an engine from vag several ppl would cry about the manufacturer :D
You've summed up every car & bike I've ever owned 😅😅😅😥😥😥
lol
You're right - some people have no business working on engines. But considering how that engine got that way in the first place, some people have no business owning a high-performance vehicle, either.
Me running my jeep in 15k mile intervals for oil changes and still driving it to 348k miles now
@@cablenowadays6586 uh... thats not a high performance engine lol?
also its probably an older jeep and its probably the 4.0L which literally had decades of R&D by european and american engineers.
Yes, it is a two-way street. Pun intended.
@@Amerikanskis The 4.0L started out as the AMC 232, first introduced in 1964. The French added fuel injection and changed the bore/stroke in the 80's when they owned a large percentage of AMC. 70's AMC 258 cranks drop right into 4.0L blocks, making them 4.5L.
shit happens,if you have a viper generally you drive them HARD....you don't anticipate stuff blowing up
Owner definitely had a mangled cylinder, went to a shop, got an estimate for how much it would be and said "you're tryng to rip me off, I know someone who can do it for a third of that."
"The cylinder with the piston delete" had me rolling.
Shattered piston: "oh no..."
Destroyed crank bolt: "oh no!"
Straight water in the oil pan: "OH NO!!!"
damn, this poor viper engine got the crap kicked out of it
"OH YEAH!!!"
Undamaged rod: "Anyway"
“Chris Hansen’d that piston and told it to take a seat” 😂 😂 😂
haha
Perfect!
After laughing at him saying that, I made sure to come down to the comment section and see if anybody else posted it before me. 😂
Bravo
I had to back it up and listen again to make sure I heard correctly.
The dry humor on this channel is just amazing. I think FCA/Stellantis should consider their next 3.0 Eco Diesel to be made out of just wrist pins, would be much more reliable. They can pay me royalties for that idea later.
Kinda hard to put rings on a pin.
"I hear crunchy stuff".. "lets keep going"....glad to see its not just me when bad things come into the shop, it just kind of makes you wanna "help" it out a little....
i made the cylinder liners for these viper engines (linamar machining in Guelph,ontario)they are separate from the block (pressed in and made of powdered metal)
.it can be removed ( machined out )and replaced as long as the block isn't windowed.(i couldn't tell) i would definitely look into it.
from the video perspective it definitely looks saveable but i cant see close enough
Ditto! it can be saved looks like a truck motor to me.
No, he won't "get crazy" and fix it... maybe he can use it as a coffee table... lol
Damn, I've seen some molested shit working in a salvage yard but that jewel is top notch!
That's what I said... sleeve it.
Well, I live i chile and we sleeve blocks all the time, sometimes we patch holes in them ;)
Very interesting find on that crank pulley bolt. In the thirty years I've been turning wrenches for a living, I've always lived by the mantra of not forcing anything. If something won't "go", there's usually a reason for it. The crank pulley bolt hackery in this particular video reminds me of one particular time at my dealership. My coworker always like to get me to help with installation of tensioner-less belts. One particular such setup was on a Mustang GT with the 5.0 Coyote engine with A/C compressor belt. I was assisting my coworker with reinstalling the belt, while he was holding the belt in the manner needed to get it to realign with the grooves on both pulleys, I was tasked with turning the crank pulley. I remembered it being much tighter to turn the crank than it normally would be. At the point where the belt was about to seat properly was when the crank wouldn't turn any further. As I was about to put more force on the breaker bar to turn it further, I could feel the bolt was about to strip inside the crank, so of course I stopped. And that's when the both of us decided to think about what could possibly cause the crank to be that tight to turn. After some looking around, we both realized, the was on the lift low enough that the rear wheels were touching the, AND the car was left in gear (manual transmission). So..... what was happening, was that I was not only turning the engine over as I spinning the crank with the breaker bar. I was also spinning the rear wheels with it (they were just touching the ground but not with all the weight resting on it so I was able to overcome the resistance of the wheels turning). But by the time we had the belt situated where it was the tightest, the resistance to movement ended up being too much. As soon as we placed the transmission in neutral, we were able to put the belt on the rest of the way completely without further issue. Thankfully, I had the sense to stop, when I could feel the bolt about to turn an strip. Once again, in this profession, if something won't "go", there's a reason for it.
wow,dont know if i would admit to this....
Brilliant answer! My old dad always told us exactly the same..."in engineering never force it as that is not engineering, it's demolition!"
Gotta give someone credit for actually getting another bolt into the nose!
I wonder if this was in a shop and they broke the bolt off, thinking about the cost of tearing down the engine and replacing the crankshaft they elected to attempt a cheap fix. Maybe the tech that did it didn't tell their supervisor what he'd done and fixed it his/herself kinda "under the radar)?
You : "oh turns out to be metal"
Me: "totally amazing"
Dude I freaking love your videos man, comedy is on point!
The reason why the engine was put together with standard bolts was that Chrysler used the 360cid engine as the base of the V10 engine. It was done to cut down development costs. So basically it's a 360 with 2 cylinders added. It was pretty smart at the time.
Always oil the threads on a puller before use. Greatly reduces the force needed to remove the part and cuts wear on the puller.
The force required for the part to slide off would be the same, whether the threads of the puller are oiled or not. I've never oiled my puller in 25 years, and never had an issue.
@@davelowets The force generated by the parts sliding apart would be the same, but the friction in the threaded puller would add less to the total force needed to remove the parts if the threads were oiled.
@@honkie247 The only force that would change is the force needed by your arm, and not by that much.
@@davelowets The torque required is reduced by around 30% with oiled threads.
@@owaind-g678 I ALWAYS use Moly grease on a fastener that needs to be torqued to a specific number. For rod bolts in an engine, I use a stretch guage. For a puller, never used any lube, and never had any issues getting whatever it was I was pulling, off. I like my tools and box clean. You are free to do what you like. I'm simply stating that I've never lubed my pullers, and never had a situation where I couldn't easily turn it, and remove the component.
Those early years of cylinder deactivation. Everyone wanted to get it on it but it was an expensive option. At least this owner got it for free!
😂😂😂
I’ll have to remember that one
They just forgot to tell the engineer designing the system that they wanted reversible cylinder deactivation.
Come for an engine teardown and get a comedy routine as a bonus!
That's What u get when u Mix adam Sandler and a Mechanic 😂
Crank bolt heads can shear off if they are over torqued. Had a friend do that to his 3.0L Mitsubishi V6 motor many years ago. He was drilling & tapped that bolt over a few days...went through three new drill bits. He learnt his less the hard way. Only torque to spec. Never over-torque!
This actually made me really sad. I haven’t seen an engine so thoroughly destroyed and it’s worse to see it on an engine I really like. I’ll never understand how someone lets their equipment and machinery get violated like this
The "take a seat" comment had me laughing pretty hard.
I think that 0W-0 oil was to blame for all this. Those V9 engines are badass
🤣
I just found your channel and have been binge watching for the last few days. It is great to learn bit by bit from your knowledge. It is also great to see what the rods, lifters, rocker arms, valves, pistons, bores, etc look like in different scenarios. Thanks for uploading.
i also found this channel a few days ago and damn... awesome content
About SAE sockets: I had a truck that had the annoying feature of some parts being metric, and some parts being SAE. It wasn't a rebuilt wreck, it came like that from the factory.
The crank bolt situation gives a good insight into where the other issues came from.
Does anyone remember that weird sci-fi series in the 90s, called Viper. The Viper in that could heal itself... cool show to me as a kid. Alas, I see now they can't heal themselves.
Yep, I had the Tyco slot car version! I recall the little UAV/drone thing was awesome, and now it's something a kid can buy on Amazon with chore money.
@@hydrocarbon8272 Aww sweet! I remember we got it here in Australia, it was on before Seaquest or something. Good times.
@@MattExzy right in the nostalgia feels mannn
Yo i remember that show and the arcade game!! The arcade game was a joke
It was flaming red and it turned grey when it would transform. Fucking nostalgia man
Great videos. It's fascinating watching you dismantle these wrecked engines. Thanks for your efforts.
They do say 'dodge' clearly on the product, so at least they come with a warning.
Should have Dodged that purchase.
I thought it was a warning to pedestrians & other cars?
This is gonna be a really cool coffee table.
Inspired by Top Gears one?.
they always gotta be 10-12 cyl blocks and this is perfect way another legend on dodge’s list of many
I enjoy the manner you present: calm with humor thrown in. A pleasure every time i watch you.
I'm rubbish at this sort of thing, but my dad was good at it. This reminds me of me watching my dad keeping his Alfa Romeo Alfetta GTV running with me watching (and failing to understand much of what he was doing). Thanks mate... this kind of stuff reminds me of Sunday afternoons when I was a kid.
RIP V10. You were a great engine once. Someone was very proud to assemble that engine. It deserved better.
If you were willing to put a lot of work into it, it could be used as an in-line 5
Crazy hack job with that crank pulley bolt situation! Thanks for the great video
I wish I could take stuff apart like this every day and do it as a living. It’s always fun finding out what happened to stuff or just to see how the engine was maintained.
Nothing was more enjoyable than the high-speed bolt removals. Pew! Pew! Pew!
Man it would be SO SWEET if everything went back to SAE fasteners!🤣
Who ever worked on that motor needs to throw his tools in a river...a real butcher boy!
Oh yeah: go right ahead and torture the river. What did the river did to you eh?
This engine smells of nitrous injection. All the parts to the system were removed. Then the junk core was sold.
These earlyish Viper motors are known for Head Gasket issues. Say that is exactly what happened here.
Nice video, interesting to watch the engine teardown of the Dodge V10. They look like a fairly solid basic engine, not too complicated. Hope you get your money back, certainly made for a cool video. Cheers from central Australia!
Viper v10. Pickup v10s were a different breed unless it was a viper truck or srt 10.
.... “The Worst Part of Working on Something, Is When Someone Already Has.”.......
..... Statements like this one is one of the reasons I love this channel 👍.... I also value the technical explanation of what some would call damage.... Like the “piston delete “ and the “valve delete “ statements that are actually pulled from existing OEM engines and the way they operate.... 👍👍... Dude I wish I could work with someone like you, because not only would work be a blast, but I can see a lot getting done and time flying by.... I swear we must have had the same shop teacher back in the day 😬👍
love the channel and the format. always fun seeing what causes engines to end up cores
To be a core is supposed to mean that it is reconditionable, not scrap.
Am I the only on that is completely enamored by just how simple this engine is? I could only wish a Nissan VQ was this simple.
funny how brilliant (and insanely,brutally powerful) a single cam in block ,pushrod engine can be.....see the modern LS for reference
@@trillrifaxegrindor4411 oh I completely understand. Just a lover of a Nissan 6 cylinder love the sound of them. But if you wanna get real simple, the Ford flat head.
@@PSWii360onBaSS A Jeep Hurricane 134 makes the Ford Flathead look like an intricate puzzle.
@@PSWii360onBaSS not really, plus running the exhaust all the way from the valley to the outside of the v, *through the block* .....isn't a good way to cool down an engine that already had inherent cooling problems.
And that's why ardun got in the business of making hemi head conversions for them. A effort to get them to last in heavy trucks.
That came from a SRT-10 Ram because of the manifolds on it, the vipers exhaust manifold is tubular and dumps at the center.
"The worst part about working on something is when someone else has."
TOO TRUE
It takes skill and perseverance to be as bad as whoever “worked “on that engine.
Nobody works on that engine, they just "prepare" the engine for a fast sale event...🤪🤪
@@yordanky76 - true, very true.
I was going to say this. I'm very impressed by the determination it took to do that much wrong.
Agreed....MANY YEARS of certified motherfuckery. Likely can get a new C8 with the tears of all whom have been duped by a ½ wasted mofo hammerin the hippy lettuce.
Mah bad.
Appreciate your channel man. lots of good information I've got from you and look forward to my next project worth buying parts for. Keep it up!
Jokes on the internet: "Haha they made it a V9 engine"
Volkswagen Engineer: "Write that down"
Compare this to the audi stripdowns. The audi v6 uses different camchain idler bolts on both idlers. For absolutely NO reason other than to make it complicated. The joke is the mechanics insulted the engineers and the engineers never forgot.
I was gonna say the same lol or a v9.3 at least
I really enjoy watching these videos, keep up the great content.
As a fellow Missourian, Your midwestern sarcasm resonates with me.
nice im from mid mo as well
Love seeing the details of these teardowns. I wish I had grown up knowing engines, but I've learned o work on bike engines!
Your constant sarcasm is worth watching. I could do a Chris Hanson: take a seat and watch you tear down engines all day long.
Wow. I tore down my viper engine at 50000 miles (which is high for these motors) and it looked brand new. The fact this engine is so dirty inside and out makes me wonder how many miles were on it... Very interesting video Eric. Great job as always
180K on mine (Ram SRT) and it looks nowhere near as bad. Not brand new for sure. I could have probably been better with my oil change frequency. But still smooth running (as smooth as that firing order can get) and all of the valve cover paint intact.
Probably was racing it with 130k and a failed head gasket
Connecting Rod, "I am Ironman!" Piston, "See you later, I'm outta here."
yeah, Ironman's planned rivalry with The Aluminum Pounder never did pan out to much... They probably should have consulted with a metallurgist.
The block would actually make a good coffee table
I bought a cracked block viper engine just for that reason.
@@BruceLee-xn3nn you could have just bought a dodge V10 truck engine as the blocks are the same ...
@@unclejoe6811 I think the typical Dodge V10 blocks are cast iron, except for the SRT, and that Viper blocks are aluminum.
Those are generally ugly and you just gave yourself something incredibly heavy and awkward that won't want to move.
@@michaelscott-joynt3215 Yet there are some that do want a unique piece of furniture. I myself took the backseat out of a late 80s Chrysler New Yorker, and am turning that into a couch.
This was an entertaining way to enjoy a cuppa coffee in the morning. Thanks for sharing!
REALLY ENJOY THE TEARDOWNS!
AS A LIFELONG MECHANIC I ALSO FOUND THE NEED TO ANALYZE THE FAILURE, AND NOT JUST CHANGE THE PART!!
SAVES A LOTTA WORK AND COMEBACKS!
I GAINED A REPUTATION IN ALL OF THIS WORKING ON LOCOMOTIVE
ENGINES!
KEEP THEM ROLLING BROTHERS!!👍👍
TURN THE CAPS LOCK OFF, BRO. WE CAN HEAR YOU JUST FINE.
I owned a 2001 Honda S2000, it would be cool if you could find an f20 motor out of something. Keep up the awesome videos!!!
The f20 has polished cylinder liners. Its a very interesting tech if u look into it, but its prone to eating oil rings and burning tones oil
My brother blew up the engine in his 2006 S2000 a few months ago… he money shifted so it wasn’t the cars fault. He tore the engine apart and it was very interesting to see what was found in the oil pan 🤣
I know a guy with a viper v10 in his s2000. . .f20 be damned.
the f20c only came in the s2000 and the f20s in the 90s accord and prelude aren't the same engine
Some later versions of the S2000 had an F22 series engines, but for some reason, they didn't call the car an S2200.
*seller takes the money*
Seller : "thanks, hey... your ass quivering"?
you: "no, why"?
Seller: "cause you just got screwed"
*seller runs off with the money and uses it to ruin another engine*
I always watch videos like this at 2x. You’ll never go back
I appreciate your positive attitude, great video and I don't even wrench myself...
Great video! We got a slow mo, a debrisss and that sweet lubricant. That crank bolt though, mint.
You might get money for the block from an owner that is planning on building a big power TT Viper, they put darton sleeves in them so the damaged bores aren't an issue. Crank bolt hole will clean up fine too.
Believe it or not the valve seat land in the head can be welded & machined to accept a new valve seat & remachined as long as he head isn't cracked & the guide area isn't toast as well.
Depends on the resources & money one wants to spend.
I didn't know Darton made Viper sleeves, but I have seen photos of re-sleeved Viper blocks.
Love the work on the sound on the vids... Great quality.
One of our customers has a boat with two of these engines. It’s really cool to be able to see one torn down.
the peeps you bought this from had it setting outside. and pieced it together so they could sell it to you for more money than its worth
Glad you didn't take a loss but shame on the grubs that sold it as a bad cylinder they had to know there was more wrong. IMHO.
Could‘ve sworn this engine was from a 90‘s military HMMV, because i am in shock & awe
This is my first time watching one of your videos and ill tell you, good job man. i really enjoyed it SUBSCRIBED. And thank you for not using any flashy B.S intro and no music..
Here's a cool coffee table idea. Take one of your slightly used low mileage gems that has a window or 2 punched out and obliterates pistons and do your best to put the pistons back together with JB Weld and other low value parts to assemble a non stuck short block (with windows).
Yes. Put a crank or something on the balancer to turn it over. That would be cool
and maybe attach the crank to the top of the table so you can turn the engine over by turning the table
That block might make for a good meat smoker Eric... 😜😜😜
Build it up with one head blanked off and that side's rods cut off to keep oil pressure and you have a crossplane inline four just to be cheap and wierd.
@@beaterbikechannel2538 slant 5. Lol
What I would have liked to hear is the backstory about the engine itself. How did it come to you as just an engine? Most of the time, engines come with cars, but especially a Viper. The valve covers looked like they have been sitting in the elements for years without a car. the Viper is one of my favorite cars, and I just can't imagine anyone doing this to a Viper.
The pan was holding H2OIL. Thank you for another fine tear-down video.
"I hear crunchy stuff" reminds me of one of my favorite repair maxims: If it jams, force it. If it breaks it needed fixing anyway.
"If you can't fix it with a hammer... you've got an electrical problem."
love these engines - great vid!
That V10 is from a Ram. Thermostat housing and exhaust manifolds and oil pan tell me that. Given it's an 8.3 V10 and came with a manual trans that would make it the earlier SRT-10 Ram.
wow. huge news if true.
I love your just black sarcasm... thanks for the ride along and the time it takes to create, edit and upload these amusing looks into the shop life you lead.
Dude, your channel is killing it!!
Good to see Adam Sandler staying busy in between movies. Man, I could tear down engines for a living. I just can't put them back together.
Would love to see a 2.0 tdi vw engine
Would that be the 2.0 PD TDI in the 2005 and 2006 Passat, or the 2.0 CRD TDI found in later VW models?
He might be able to find a 2.0 PD TDI worth his time, many people gave up on their B5.5 Passat because the engine needed a new cam, cam buckets, and balance shaft module.
@@skylinefever I wanna see the newer common rail diesels, something like a CJAA
Really enjoy your teardowns fella! Good job
Mechanic /stand-up comedian - now, that's something completely different! :) Great video!
Im always amazed when manufactures decide to make cast aluminum oil pans. they aren't any lighter than pressed aluminum or even pressed steel and they are way more prone to getting irreparably damaged.
Structural. Helps stiffen the block.
@@craigquann yea with the amount of crank weight lol it needs all the strength it can get
planned obsolescence.
They have really nice fins…if they have fins. No point in a cast aluminum pan if it isn't finned.
I had a couple of cars that had barrel crankcases. The main bearing caps were integral with the lower blocks. Nevertheless they had cast aluminum pans with really pretty fins.
They will remove a lot of heat from the oil, also.
I would think the block could be sleeved, damage didn't look too severe?
That's what I am wondering 🤔
Super fun to watch! It is like doing the teardown but you don't have to deal with the mess. ;-)
“That sounds crunchy, let’s keep going” is probably my favorite line in the video. I’d say that cylinder has low compression
what about the Triton v10 from ford
Sounds like fun, because some of them had the notorious 3 valve design. However, since those didn't have the VVT system that was annoying on the V8 variant, maybe they weren't so bad...
Except for those stupid spark plugs.
Woohoo! Bonus Episode this week?! Wait - I need a beer!
Ok, good to go! :D
The engine looks huge! More like a big truck diesel than e.g. a LS.
Good to see that you’re still doing well, buddy
Sleeve the block, get somebody who knows what they are doing with a lathe to sort the crank snout, replace the valve seat and that's all fixed then.
was going to say the same, the damage overall seems pretty lite considering a piston went to pieces,
head should be salvageable as well, with a decking and new valve guides and seals
Yup. Fixed far worse working on aftermarket drag bits. Gimme that head, a couple carbides, a TIG welder, and 2 hours. I'll have the crack ground out, filled, and reshaped to match the others. Why are people so afraid to sleeve a block, too? I guess if you take it to an idiot, but then, you could just buy engines from the numbnuts who sold him this one.
@@guerrillaradio9953 Because it would cost more to fix the block, than it would to buy a good used one. I've seen good GTR blocks go for $2500. And it's not wounded to start with.
That is so totally rebuildable.
Ok so some machining and new parts are required. But seriously it's not totally junk.
I'm sure there's a market for reman viper engines.
😆 Youd have more into fixing the block, than it would be to buy a good one. That shit is GARBAGE.
@@davelowets a new cylinder sleeve and bore hone job is pretty cheap
@@indyrock8148 So is a good used block.. Why fuck with garbage?
always good to make written contracts specifically for scenarios like this to get your money back or a portion of it.
its amazing that you could tear that down faster than most people can change their oil. subscribed.
The sheer audacity of that crank boit hack is kind of impressive. Like you said, I'd consider it on a junk Corolla but not a goddamn Viper engine
Oh good. 12 baskets in a case.
And clearly after being treated the way it was, it decided to end its own life to escape the suffering.
28:45 is what I came here to see. Thanks for sharing and keep the good work going.
Ooooo, I hear crunchy stuff, let's keep going!
None of the plugs could be from that engine. It’s possible that they just grabbed crap out of the trash to fill up the holes to keep the gremlins from escaping.
'You've already got one on the other side, what do you need two (headgaskets) for anyways?'
Ahahahaha, take a sub, sir
You have the best job .. I love to inspect engines & trans..
Love the classic pew pew at the end of the cylinder head bolt removal 👌