A Tale of Two Bridges | Living City | The New York Times
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- With thousands of bridges in New York State deemed structurally deficient, there are two choices: repair or rebuild. The 60-year-old Tappan Zee Bridge and the Brooklyn Bridge are the latest examples.
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There’s nothing wrong with building new bridges, but for gods sake‘s, do not touch the Brooklyn Bridge, it truly epitomizes what New York City is. It’s such an incredibly important part of your history, such a beautiful structure, to tear it down would be like tearing down the Empire State building or the Chrysler building, or any of the other numerous landmarks that make Manhattan and New York City what it is. I don’t see why you have to knock something down to build something new, the bridge can be put anywhere. If it’s costing a fortune to maintain these older bridges, and build new stronger bridges with more lanes, decommission the older bridges, at least for cars, but leave them standing for all times so that they can carry pedestrians and cyclists. That is a very achievable and realistic idea that will maintain the integrity in the history of your historic and beautiful city, without compromising your safety in anyway. I’m a Toronto guy, born here in 1968 and I’ve lived here my whole life, but I’ve always admired New York City and in particular Manhattan. I will never forget the first time I finally got around to visiting your city. I actually drove there from Toronto, it’s not that bad of a drive actually, and of all the things that struck me, the Brooklyn Bridge was the first thing that I was captured by. As I crossed it, even though people started honking at me, I just had to slow down a little, and soak in over a century’s worth of history. Two of my biggest passions in life or architecture, specifically skyscrapers, and historical structures, which Manhattan was blessed with many. You simply cannot tear down these beautiful old bridges, they are a direct reminder of your past, present, and future. Somewhere on CZcams there’s a documentary about how the Brooklyn bridge was built. It was nothing short of an engineering miracle. When it was built, the world has never seen anything like it before, and many people said it couldn’t be done, but with the strength and wisdom New Yorkers are so famous for, it was built, along with every other notable landmark your beautiful city contains. Please do not make the same mistake that the politicians in Toronto do, who literally tear down every single historical structure that we have just to put up some god-awful tacky glass and steel super tall condominium or office tower, completely racing any trace of our history, which burns me up inside because while we are a lot smaller and a lot younger, we still have a few centuries of history, which we are now losing to the multi billion dollar developers who could care less about our history, and only care about building as tall as they possibly can on every single piece of land they can find, even if Atlanta contains buildings and structures of extremely historical significance. All they do is preserve the façade of the building, and completely destroyed the rest, that’s not preservation, that’s destroying everything my ancestors works so hard to build. Much like thousands of people in your city, I am definitely a city person, and proud to say I am a six generation Torontonian. My nanny ancestors literally killed them selves working to build the city, and make it what it is today, a booming metropolis that welcomes people from every corner of the world, that is well known on the international stage as one of the most safe, and welcoming cities on earth, exactly as it is in New York City. I actually envy your city so much, just because it has so much more to offer than most other cities, but those old bridges are the very roots of the tree that is your city, if you remove the roots of the tree dies, please don’t make that mistake like we did.
Cheeky Devil you wrote a great speech
chill
Ok
Your comment is too long to not have paragraphs so I stopped reading halfway through. However, I agree with the points raised early on.
They should take cars off the bridge. The cars overcrowd Manhattan. If they take cars off they could add more walking space, bus lanes, and or another way for trains to cross the river.
Ahh! This video was one of the best ones i have seen in a long time! Thanks to the staff and producers for sharing this!
I'm shook by the quality of this video's editing. It's even better than some of these 'productions' other news-channels are putting out as an excuse for a 'video' now in 2018. Love the style and the endcard.
These living city series are great, I hope NYT will keep showing them
smudgerbug NYT means New York Times
He knowes
with the brooklyn bridge i will never take it down. i will build a tunnel some where else and divert traffic there. and use the brooklyn Bridge as park and pedestrian walkway. or like the high land park. the one they made out of a old train line converted it into a park.
melvin arias
Yes, it is really too much of an icon to take it down
Edit: I corrected it. Are you happy now?!
You mean highline?
Mike Someone where did you learn how to spell you freaking bone head?
@Anonymous Doe Sometimes things have to be paid for.
Don’t worry a new bridge will takes 40 years state of paperwork to finish
Every time I am in NY I just love travelling the bridges, they are huge, overwhelming and stunning. My husband like me, but he is a bridge enigneer just adores these bridges, they are special, they make NW, they move everyone to places. Power to NY and its bridges, and for Antonio Masi for being part of this video - your paintings are unbeleivable. Jan Lowe
2016 : not on my recommended
2017 : Still not
2018 : Very very not
2019 : this looks good lemme put it on this guys recommended
the new tappan zee is a really freaking nice bridge to drive over man, I can say that from experience.
Gavin Fryer yea I need to take a drive on that one of these weekends
Yeah love it, I just hate the fact they changed it name to Mario Cuomo 🤮
@@fofocuddlypoop2084 He was an influential governor. Let go of the hate bro.
@@fofocuddlypoop2084 Erasing history, the Tappan Zee of Henry Hudson is The Andrew M. Cuomo bridge. It could always be worse-it could have been the George W. Pataki.
In Florida the stretch of Old Dixie Highway in Riviera Beach is now “The Barack Hussein Obama Highway”
Proud to see the Tri-State getting some love here from the Times. I grew up in Westchester, but I've also lived in Putnam County (also. N.Y.) as well as Burgen and Morris Counties (N.J.) and Fairfield and New Haven Counties (CT). The Tappan Zee Bridge was my entry and exit point for traveling across the eastern parts of the Metropolitan Area to see my friends and family, as well as attend school. As of now (2018), I'm praying that the great state of New York will continue to improve the bridge and actually remain committed to completing it by next month (mid-June).
The new “TZ” bridge is gorgeous and cuts down on the traffic so well.
the tappen zee bridge is really important to me not like what most people say it reminds me of my childhood when i used to go upstate every summery to go to a monticello bungallo it will be sad to see it go
@2:38 lil boy's incredulity....priceless
I walked across the Brooklyn Bridge as part of my 56th birthday celebration. Very memorable
The new bridge is amazing and as the new bridge rises the old bridge goes down. But at least we got something new in our State
"please let this not be that last time" 😂 lol
Really enjoyed. Thank you
Love this channel
They also replaced the Goethals bridge that connects Elizabeth New Jersey and Staten Island. It’s nice and wider. The old bridge had extremely narrow lanes.
Kosciusko bridge that connects Brooklyn and Queens also looks nice and they are building the other side of it now.
Don't forget the amazing project that built new road decks on the Bayonne Bridge 65 feet higher than the original. Turned out to be the quickest, least costly option. And the next big new bridge will be a replacement for the Outerbridge Crossing.
Thanks. Very good and interesting video.
Thank you!
I love my city. It's truly beautiful.
its not your city
Great series
5:55 That's the Ben Franklin Bridge. In Philadelphia.
Chris Harris was wondering why that’s in a video about NYC bridges
No it’s not
That’s right 7 lanes with movable barricades. Blue colour and the docks
Chris Harris I knew that’s wat it was I was sitting there trying to figure out what bridge it was
Omg this adds to my comment. Vox this editor is make you look dumb.
Absolutely needed and for some New York City area purchase the ones that get priority are the road and rail Bridges example 4th Avenue Express Broadway Manhattan Bridge Nassau Street Williamsburg Bridge
I'll miss the original Tappan Zee bridge when she comes down, but I am otherwise thankful that we've got a replacement bridge. I remember back in 2000 having an early-morning nightmare that I was in a car heading westbound on the bridge when a whole segment of the superstructure came loose, collapsed and began to float upstream. Nine years later, I was in a car making that crossing during a torrential downpour and feeling immediate alarm at how it was being buffered back and forth between lanes. For a moment, I really believed my nightmare would come true. Jump ahead to December 2015 when I spotted the construction of the towers of the new bridge from Metro North, and imagine my internal celebration.
Washington A. Roebling was my childhood hero. I once imagined that I could get a degree in engineering at Rensselaer Polytechnic like he did and re-create the Brooklyn Bridge. When I realized that my calling was to be a musician, I also figured out that - there's only one Brooklyn Bridge, and it can't be substituted or replaced like the Tappan Zee Bridge.
ShreadTheWeapon I hope they keep the old one as a walk way or something like that
I think they’re doing that. The new bridge is up now though and looks pretty dope!
Awww man awww *you're tearing me up man!!*
Cable-stayed bridges are beautiful. Tacoma, WA built one in 1997 and it is a recognizable structure in the city. And of course there's a famous cable-stayed bridge in FL
What's the title of background music on this one?
Good topic
So they are finally doing what traffic manager Sam Schwartz told them decades ago. A civilization is its infrastructure.
Brent Hill street smarts!
Love the video. I want the music but I can't find it. Anyone know who the composer is or the name of the song?
+Gabriel Chagas Tried that. Doesn't recognize it.
+DameSqaua9000on Graf was
I do not read the paper! But these webisodes are great!
I will always call it the TAPPAN ZEE BRIDGE!
What's saving the Brooklyn Bridge is that commercial traffic is banned on the bridge. It doesn't endure the abuse brought on by 18 wheelers and double decker buses. As long as it's constantly maintained, it can last 1,000 years.
That's a huge plus, although what's actually prohibited are trucks, buses and all vehicles over 3 tons. Many large SUVs and pickups exceed that weight, but are never ticketed. Maintenance costs would decrease if the entire ban was enforced. nyc.streetsblog.org/2006/08/25/brooklyn-bridges-suv-ban-hidden-in-plain-sight/
The Brooklyn bridge is a historic monument. It was NYC's first suspension bridge
Lets say you did want the Brooklyn Bridge replaced, where would you put it if you don't tear down the existing bridge first.
You can move the entrance ramps in Brooklyn, but not in Manhattan.
Therefore you can't build the new bridge next to the old bridge.,
If you can't stop the traffic for just a few days, where would that traffic go when there is no bridge for a few years...
The same is even truer with the Manhattan bridge..
The trains goes over the bridge.
You can't divert the trains to a different bridge so you can't tear it down and if you built this second bridge next to it how do the trains get to the new bridge..
What can you do.
I think the only choice we have would be to build a tunnel connecting the tunnels on one side too tunnels on the other side for the trains first and then tear down the existing bridge diverting automobile traffic to the other bridges. .
I've thought about this a long time.
I am convinced there can be no other way.
Depending on its design it could be brought in on the water in pieces .
The first half of your comment is exactly what I was thinking too
Check your Manhattan geography. You already have the Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel close by.
Truly 🌹
The U.S infrastructure crisis is basically the plot of Infra, a game that you gusseted it is about failing infrastructure.
WhyBeAre?
can someone from NYC explain what mode of transport at 5:51 next to the bridge ??? It looks like one of those hanging cable cars
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosevelt_Island_Tramway
I need one of that guys paintings
Oh I love the New York Times! You guys rule
It's mid 2017 and it's not open yet....
gayboyzig donald trump has nothing to do with this. can we not politicize random stuff please
Not unusual for a major project to fall behind in completion. Look at the Pulaski Skyway. Major renovation took longer than expected on it.
Well if they are going to rework the bridges then they need to build them bigger and wider and they need to widen there entire highway system up there
That doesn’t always work, it’s fine for an immediate solution but look at Houston a good example as to how widening highways makes traffic worse
Abrahan Cruz yep, that’s right. This is why the metro is more important to upgrade so that more trains can be used. Thus allowing more people to go between Manhattan, New Jersey, queens, Bronx ect.
We need to begin the amount of personal use and ride-sharing vehicles within the city and bring back trolleys/streetcars/trams that run on an actual lightrail track. Buses are NOT fit for NYC and they never have been. Pavement just cannot handle the loads of our streets. When was the last pleasant bus ride you took here? They took our trams away and left us with "temporary" buses after the war yet here we are 60 years later with our roads in tatters and unable to provide so many of our residents access to trains due to tunneling costs(turns out this is actually a function of unions and non centralized healthcare). Today, driving between work and home in our city is prohibitively expensive for the commoners that the city was built by abs relies on. As is housing near your workplace. But take transit and you're an hour late every day.
I love NYC as it is my dream to go
Better wait for DeBlasshole to get out, or travel with a bodyguard.
it sucks I can't wait to leave. save your money, visit somewhere interesting and beautiful.
Oh I hate that bridge I've been across it in a Semi. Those lanes are narrow.
Grand concourse bridge?
Brooklyn bridge is a icon before The Twin Towers
SF spent over $10 billion on a short section of the Bay Bridge and didn't spend one dime to continue the bike lanes to San Francisco along the old suspension section. They are studying adding bike lanes to the tune of hundred million plus....
Need more bridges just in case they are backed up.
As high as realestate is in New York lack of money to fix these shouldn't be a problem.
5:34 there’s a glitch in his hologram
750 million dollars for 10 years. 3 trillion is 30 years of repairs on the old TP. ADD ANOTHER 10 YEARS MAINTENANCE ON THE NEW TP. SAVE THE OLD TP FOR RAIL?
Go structural engineers 💪🏼💪🏼
Another 35w collapse when?
I’m I the only one that admire bridges
You're not alone...oh and add tunnels too.
a bridge over 50 years old has to be replaced? did they maintain the bridge? how much a year to maintain vs a new one that has to be maintained
It was a temporary bridge due to a shortage of material at the time.
@A K Yes to both reasons making replacement the only option. Though no doubt maintenance could've been better, the steel shortage that followed the Korean War reportedly led to less being used, shortening its life expectancy to 50 years. The fact it made it to 62 with only a few chunks of roadway lost is a testament to it's designer Emil Praeger and those that built and maintained it.
It's amazing to see my building at 1:32 standing tall in Brooklyn. That shot was taken at least after 1917. My building wasn't completed until then.I agree we need to preserve the Brooklyn Bridge. I commend Gov. Cuomo for the new Tappan Zee bridge but I won't call it after him. We're suppose to preserve our history. Just because it's new it should continue honoring the given name which is partially Native American (Tappan tribe). Not to lessen the point with a lesser known bridge but we didn't change the kosciuszko bridge name after completion. There are two bridges now to alleviate the traffic, which has been a blessing. Westchester county still has towns that kept their Native American names so the Tappan Zee bridge shouldn't be any different.
You lucky he don't rename the tappan Zee to Fredo Cuomo Bridge...
But Manhattan and Brooklyn bridge are iconic...
“The bridge du jour of the century!” Um, doesn’t du jour mean “of the day”? That makes no sense
du jour also means ' the lastest'.
Yeah new bridges its time
I think in the 1800s travel was hard for everyone...
Tax darling = bridge infrastructure
Get the old tappan zen bridge back
If only all vehicles can travel to both land and water.
ADD NEW BRIDGES
I'm only twenty-five seconds in, but Obaaamaaaaaaaa!!!! We miss you so much!!!!!! 😥😫😥😫😥😫
Edited to add--Has absolutely nothing to do with the video, but I'm changing my last name to "Conybeare", as long as it's pronounced like a bear of Cony Island... 🐻
Obama?! Your joking right? He was the biggest crook of them all! Makes trump look like an angel
Big fan of everlasting recession, huh? "Like with a magic wand?" Crack head
What? How do people abuse bridges?
Boy. Was this ever boring!
Why not just let them make the new bridge for cars, and use the old bridge for a subway or for tourism?
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The 1.6 trillion dollar tax cut no one asked for and nobody needed.... that money could of went a long way. Instead we piled on debt the middle class will have to pay for.
5:27 “it can stand forever”
thats what they said about the twin towers & look what happend
Or, for that matter, the original Penn Station.
:(
This was so 2014
Union Built, Union maintained, Union strong👍🏻 #NYCBT Better, Faster Safer
tearing down the brooklyn bridge should not be an option. its new york
The biggest... thweat.
🇺🇸👍👍👍👍👍💓
*Uneeda*
People are getting too attached to these inanimate objects. A bridge is a bridge. If its deficient, then make a new one...
Wait....this quote "Once the Zee and Brooklyn Bridge projects are finished, the condition of all 789 city bridges will be ranked as fair to very good for the first time in NY history." For pervious mentions in this video I feel like many of the remaining 787 bridges might still pose a risk? I get it hit the highest traffic and most used bridges first, but still.... some feels wrong about that quote. Are you saying that only these two bridges were considered less than fair before? You fix two bridges. Now your lowest bridge gets moved up to fair status....that's not a good fix first off. Idk I'm confused, terrible editorial piece, downvote.
Edit: except the dude with that paintings at the end, beautiful!
Ye bridge 13 year me complete hua
It’s just a bridge bro...
Put toll on every bridge.new York city budget is five biggest among big countries in the world.But mayor and governors are the culprit of this problem.
How are you going to toll the east river bridges? There is no room for toll booths. All the Hudson River bridges are tolled
@@AdamSmith-gs2dv Where are the toll booths on the MTA's Bridges and Tunnels? And the Hudson crossings are owned by the Port Authority which gives nothing towards The City's bridges.
rebuild them, don't build modern bs....
Noooooo
Some of them can't handle the modern traffic that their designs support, otherwise we'd totally just keep repairing/rebuilding them
No some bridges are just to iconic to famous and to beautiful to replace and I’m sorry but the new tappan Zee Bridge is a hideous abominations if that’s the template for all new bridges god help us
Snap! 📷
This is going in my cringe compilation!
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Are we going to talk about that guys ridiculous mustache?
Tbh I find the 59th street bridge way prettier than the Brooklyn bridge
Get the Chinese to build it for 1 billion in one year
Wow, I live in Ohio but this makes me sad for New Yorkers.
why take the lead paint off? oh PC some kid will chew on the bridge
More of a reason to take some money out of that defense budget, amirite?
Y OBAMA TALK DIRTY ABOUT THEM BRidges
Ha Yankee problems
Atleast they can afford a big city like New York
Aww I miss Obama again
Remember having a proper president?
Who obama? Please! You are delusional
Remember when we had a dogeater for President? What was his name, Bark?
Funny how we all went to build, but the generation of men or women dont want to work hard labor, they want to be insignificant artist or socal influencer. So there is you're answer