How Did New York's Trains Get so Bad? | NYT
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- New York City subways have the worst on-time performance of any major rapid transit system in the world. This is the story of how the city ended up in a state of emergency.
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“We never really know where the train is” 😯
i really like this video: informative, interesting, and innovative
That's actually how it works almost everywhere. Tracks are electrically divided up into blocks, which a train occupies. When it moves to the next block, the signalling behind the train changes. The blocks can be made larger or smaller depending on the area, for example from a kilometre or more, down to not much more than the length of the train itself. The speed limit has to change to suit this, of course, and there's *sometimes* a buffer behind. In the cities they tend to run a single block behind, at very slow speeds, and often the driver of the train behind has sight of the train in front. Hope this explains things a little better.
@@uzaiyaro When CBTC is implemented they will be able to resize blocks as needed. But implementing and testing is not going to happen overnight. Also the present wayside block signals will remain in place.
WitchidWitchid where I live, they’re considering eradicating wayside signals altogether. They’re building a new tunnel under the river, providing a much needed third river crossing as the the other two are more or less at capacity.
The point here, is that this new tunnel will be built to the ETCS standard, so no wayside signalling at all. We’ve had ATC since 1988 and ATP for a fair while as well, but these are supplemental systems, there are still wayside signals.
I hope ETCS doesn’t cause many headaches, but the new fleet of trains we have, that have been plagued by problems, are ETCS ready. They’re also driverless ready, apparently, but that’s never gonna happen, I don’t think. It’s almost impossible to completely grade separate the network, and considering there is a freight and intercity network intermixed with the suburban network... yeah, we’re gonna have drivers for a while, thankfully. The other thing with ETCS is that apparently older trains are not going to be retrofitted with it, which I think is a mistake, they’re putting all their eggs into one basket. What’s to say they won’t find some issue with the new fleet later on down the line and you’ve completely kneecapped a whole arseload of the inner city network until that issue is fixed? But hey, I’m not in charge of decisions, and that’s probably a good thing.
Driverless is a gimmick anyway. There’s been proven to be zero upside to it. They tried it in Japan and found that driverless systems actually made things worse, not better.
@@uzaiyaro Driverless is going to keep costs down for long range journeys, although that is some way into the future.
Use this like button as a 'the editor deserves a raise' button.
make the checks out to Liz Deegan, Ora DeKornfeld, Ben Laffin
o hello there You just want likes, don't you?
^^^. It's a wonderful video!
Plot twist, o hello there IS the editor
That isn't going to do anything. If you're begging for like and are using a serious issue to get, them, you need to examine why you aren't liked in the first place then stop using real issues for a little tiny rush of of nothing while people are struggling. Quit begging
TOKYO: Trains are rarely late. The government apologizes if there is even a 2-minute delay.
NYC: We never really know where the train is.
New York is like the Popeye’s of public transit and Tokyo is the Chic-Fil-A of public transit(I hope someone gets this)
@@cfnretro6448 huh? Popeyes are great
DARTH MAUL The food is but the service ain’t
DARTH MAUL God forbid you ask for an extra sauce. I don’t know. I guess I just live in the hood
@@cfnretro6448 I think McDonald's has worse service
It's inexcusable. NYC is the most popular city in the US and has old, run down trains.
Jillian Elise inexcusable
Edit: Lol, now the op comment is changed mine just looks so pointless 😂
Jillian Elise yeah raise taxes on the riders
And a signal system from the 1930s!
*laughs in italian*
Thats what you get for being the most popular city in US
from a european perspective, when I visit the states, I always feel like its time capsual from the past, like literally nothing has been invested in upgrading the outdated buildings and infrastructure.
In my case it's only for business, I certainly wouldn't subjugate myself to that voluntarily.
Yep, this is what happens when the US spends a good portion of our tax dollars policing and rebuilding the rest of the world. At least our illegals are healthy and well fed.
@@billolsen4360 don't ask why Europeans travel abroad, ask why so many Americans don't even own passports and seem downright proud to know nothing about the rest of the world.
According to 'Murica logic:
Spending trillions on pointless wars = glorious freedumz
Spending billions on infrastructure, healthcare, and education = communism.
I want to Italy to visit my extended family I think the exact same thing and thus I want to move to Europe
So the answer is corrupt politicians? Huh, who would have thought ;)
I like your dutch-british profile picture
@Tom Smith just stop
To be honest the people who ride and live in NYC are as much to blame as the gov’t and MTA. Did anyone ever notice how people in Taiwan and Japan do not throw their trash everywhere and actually follow the public transport rules far more than in other countries? That probably makes things more efficient and cheaper to maintain doesn’t it? The problem is the people using the services just as much as the gov’t itself. After all the gov’t is composed of the people.
@Tom Smith actually the cause is the politicians. stop pretending otherwise. it is always those same thieves. the same ones who couldn't keep a peace treaty with the indigenous people. you know who i mean.
@Tom Smith "Better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and prove it." Try it!
Try Asian subways (Tokyo, Seoul, Shanghai, Taipei, etc), all very new, also there’s a automatic glass door between the station and the train to stop trash and ppl from falling over
And the Japanese are very strict to time and almost every train arrived at the minute. New York, is the worst. I could wait another three minutes for that one train and it's just frustrating.
They're doing this in the UK, but the issue is it takes a few days to install them. And you can't close a subway station to install some doors - everyone will hate you. So whenever there's a long-term refurbishment of a platform or a new station they install them but they get left out on all the older lines.
In Asia, it is government's responsibility to protecting citizens from falling tot rail, in Western, it is your own responsibility! So there is no need protecting doors.
Love tw
台北捷運 is clean fast and gets just about everywhere (especially with the yellow line). I moved to Seattle and the one line doesn't even go to my school lol
Pataki: *cuts the budget of the mta*
Subway: *gets worse*
Pataki: *“h u h”*
Pataki has been out.for.a.lomg time. The subways in NYC.have undergone major modernization and renovations since then. New cars, modern signalling, etc.
I think those politicians need to go to Japan, Singapore, China, South Korea, HK, Canada, Germany, etc to see how the train and high speed train work.
Stop dragging Canada into systems efficiency.
There are no really good train systems much less high speed trains here.
The most used subway system.... in Toronto is 25 years behind in terms of infrastructure and planning. 2 years ago it implemented a card paying system, it was still used tokens, tickets and cash/change.
New York subway has the metro card since the mid 1990's. London had electronic tickets/ paper cards in 1987.
Also lots of weird behavior, constantly overcrowd trains and slow downs, and constant emergencies and people throwing them selves on the tracks.
Most major infrastructure projects are usually over time and over budget.
Oh yeah, Canada. The country where passenger and freight trains share the same tracks, and the former must yield to the latter and wait on a siding, meaning a city 2 hours away by car is 4 hours away by train.
True... But that also shows how naive the NY Times is. Fulton St. isn't the problem. In those countries you named - the private subway systems have the equivalent of Fulton St. and that's how they make extra money to run the system. The problem with Fulton St. and the ENTIRE system is that construction costs are WAY TOO HIGH
Canada? I ride the Toronto subway everyday and it's a big pile of garbage. Delays are commonplace, single problems are a daily occurrence. They also operate ancient technology and I should know, I give them IT people. They often ask for skills that haven't been used for 20+ years. The provincial government is trying to take over the system as many feel the city can no longer do it properly.
Always thought people meant Vancouver when lauding Canada's transit
The London Underground is older than New York's Subway and is a great example of a system that has been invested in.
Neil Henderson the mta just needs funding and needs to upgrade their old signal system that isn’t reliable
They need to do a lot more than that. The stations are in a terrible state, the trains too.
Neil Henderson dont forget the card readers.... 🙄 like... we're seriously still swiping cards?....
Neil Henderson no way, man. It's dirty and stinks.
It wasn't that long ago they were using tokens!
They should never cut budgets on public transit
Especially to put it back in the pockets of their homies 👎
Agree. New York just has been unfortunately plagued by politicians on both sides in the last 30 years who just don’t care about the mta
God I'm so grateful to be a Londoner 😭 My sister is obsessed with moving to New York but the more research I do, the more it just seems like a downgrade! From the water to the healthcare to the transit to the cost of living 😖😷
Im from nyc and visited london for the first time in November and my god yalls transit system made me realize how much of a disaster mta is.
NYC water is some of the nicest in the world
The water is actually some of the best in the world. The mta........not so much.
@@roscoebaram681 I doubt that because just yesterday i watched videos about NYC water tanks on top of the buildings. Some people from NYC say that even rats are found inside.
And even the London subway system has it's flaws
They used to be WAYYYYYYYY worse. Anyone seen footage or even lived during the 70s of them back then. Hoo boy.
That’s what I thought
That was only wild art
Devix My mom used to tell me stories of how she could only take the bus by herself and not the train (in the late 70’s and early 80’s) because my grandparents thought that it was too dangerous.
Yep, in the 70s trains were older, hotter, noisier, filled with graffiti vandalism, crime-ridden, etc. The subway system is a virtual paradise today compared to what it was like back in the late 1960's and 1970s.
@@NICKYGUNNO Beautiful times
Every time I see a video like this I’m like “ I should be a politician, if these idiots can get elected why not me “
Anything is possible with hindsight, they're still stupid though
Is your determination to rule others as large as your egomania and sense of entitlement? Are you willing to do anything to get elected, e.g., lie, defraud, betray, conspire with criminals? Do you have no sense of shame or hypocrisy? Can you get the multi-millions to run a campaign? Are you willing to sell yourself and defame your enemies at every opportunity? Are you willing to persecute minorities to win majority votes? Then, go for it.
@DCFunBud
See...this comment suggest one do nothing or at least not try. This is very un-American since when the going gets tough we get going. Good people can win but it requires them trying. And it requires them trying in greater numbers than the bad apples that pervert the system as a whole.Hope, the will for change, and some elbow grease gets things going in the right direction.
Rave Yoda That's not an American ideal. It's a humanist ideal. It's also sadly unrealistic.
@Mr. W
Shoot for the stars; for if you miss, you'll at least be among them.
How long did this video take to make? It's soo good
We don’t know that tho
It’s a corporate channel, they have money to pay professional teams of people to make this.
Depends how the Subways Behaved During the making...
WoW, really? I just left a negative comment saying that this appears to have been made for children.
This video is very annoying to watch. With all the information this could have been a good video. But it is simply annoying!
So i can check google maps and see exactly where my bus is almost down to the second... but the largest subway system in the US has no clue where their trains are 🤦♂️ okay
Yes, they do know. NYT has blown this small fact WAY out of proportion.
not no clue they know the approximate location
I’ve ridden the subway systems of London, Paris, Seoul, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Taipei and Berlin. All of them are clean, efficient, punctual and affordable modes of transport. But New York? It’s meant to be a global city, but the Subway is an absolute JOKE. They need to SERIOUSLY get it together.
What do you expect from a country too proud to switch to SI unit system?
Comparing different cities mass transit systems seems logical on the surface level, but once you look into it deeper you find unique variables...especially in NYC.
Steven Choo they aren’t “too proud.” They tried to change to SI in the 70’s or 80’s, I forget. It didn’t work, and judging a country based on units of measurement doesn’t really make that much sense.
@@ultimatechickenhorsesweat2614 Steven Choo is totally right... How dare a country keep a middle age measurement system ... It says a lot about the country....
I’ve been on Seoul subway before. I completely agree with you, in all areas that you’ve pointed at.
On winter days, bring politicians to the subway. They make lots of hot air.
Oscar Gonzalez ayyyy
Lool
No. Just bring them onto the subways during A RAINSTORM.
XD
bring them in case of drowning. Most of them are AIRHEADS
The editing is so cute and filled with personality! good job editor! :)
thanks
Facts, not pretty pictures please. This is supposed to be a serious situation, not a jelly & ice cream show.
@@kollusion1 why not both you party pooper?
After looking at their condition. I laugh and cry at the same time while sitting in a Mumbai central train...
Lol 😂 so true
Yes but ever tried Mumbai Monorail or Mumbai Metro ?? Much better than nuw yurk
That old subway tech should be in a Museum, not being used.
1234567890q most of them are in good shape. The new tech trains are the ones causing problems
Craig F. Thompson that's the problem it does not work!!!!
DAVID MELLA What's funny is that the old R32s are actually more reliable than many of the newer rolling stock.
It's so sad that they need a transit museum for the MTA
1234567890q “being used.” Passive voice, consider revising: “not *in use.”
New York City subway controls still use 1930s electronics???
well it's works, and believe it or not, it's way more reliable than computers using windows, that crashes and starts "updating" things with you having no control of it.
We're on an island. An island crammed with tons and tons of old industrial works that all can break if even ONE SMALL MISTAKE is made while fixing it.
it doesn't work and it's inefficient because it can not handle modern traffic needs. also, they would not be using a home version of windows to run sensitive systems.
It doesn’t work at all honestly. It’s not accurate. And also it’s not just a problem of signal system, but also scheduling. It’s freaking random and lack of trains which makes ppl to grab the doors bc they don’t want to wait for another 15-20 mins, and holding doors opened make more delays. Im Korean living in NY for almost 6years, and compare to Korean subway system, it is a pure mess here. The trains in Korea arrive on the exact time as scheduled. NOBODY grabs the door bc ppl know that there’s another one coming in like 4mins. It’s srly so stressful to take subway here
Oh lol, about the Windows-thing: the Amsterdam subway service uses A LOT of ticketing machines still running what seems to be an embedded version of XP, which is not exactly a good feeling knowing you are putting your debit card into a card-reader that in one way or another is connected to a computer that is running an OS the government pressed us to stop using years a go.
Even though Embedded Windows can differ on some points from home-versions of Windows (not only software-wise but also hardware-wise), they have been proven to be prone to the exact same vulnerabilities the "regular" windows versions have been targeted with.
My dad used to tell me when he was 12 years old, the city had a very hard time paying for the public transportation; bus, subway, taxi~
Soo in the late 70's, they were all runned down to the ground, used up, and abused, especially the subway cars, as not a lot of money went into maintaining the buses and the trains. The result of that, well... I read some history of the transportation and a brief of my dad's childhood history, and the subway trains and the buses are said to be nothing more than beaten old crumbling steel boxes on rails and tires. They smelled soo bad, and some were missing seats, and it was dangerous, not because of the condition, but creepy people and gangs would hang out in the trains to cause trouble. It was sweltering hot in the summer and it was bone chilling cold in the winter. Some of the buses and the trains had probably been in service for soo long to see the 64 world's fair.
People were soo fed up with the conditions of New York City public transportation, they demanded that their taxes should be put in somewhere useful, like the repairing of the public transit and bus.
In the mid 80's, they struck good big with the repairing of the public transportation, perhaps, upgrading it. The city paid millions after millions on brand new subway cars, imported from Japan in 1983. I think in 1985 was when they made their true debute. They featured carpetting, comfortable seats, maintenance on keeping the trains clean, and brought the luxury of heating in the winter and cooling in the summer to the public. Plus, they retrofitted a handful of the 60's trains as well while some were scrapped or dumped in the oceans. They bought the new buses for the city to use and new taxis as well.
My dad used to tell me stories of how he used to ride on the new ones durring highschool nights with friends before he got his car. He said how the people thought the renovation was "space age".
I've been in the new york city bus stations before, rode on lots of trains. It is not really that bad. Their punctual timing is ok. But if it gets this way again in the 70's, I hope history repeats itself again, and we will have the "space age" feel once again.
The video editing, the motion art, the voice over, the interviews, the sound design and mixing, this is an amazing work.
When you look at other metros around the world, the New York subway is so outdated and dirty.
Well what do you expect. It is over 100 years old.And it runs 24/7/365 without even a coffee break.And it is being modernized. But you don;t take a century old system that has to be online constantly and make it like it was brand spanking new overnight.
NYC subway system best in world.
WitchidWitchid The London Underground is infinitely times better than the New York Subway. Much nicer trains, especially on the Central line, better service, nicer place to be in altogether and on top of that, it’s the oldest subway system in the world yet it feels like everything came out of the 21st century. Contactless payments with debit and credit cards, the Oyster card, so much more. The New York Subway, quite frankly, sucks 110%.
@@metromodernism And the London Underground doesn't run 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year without a break. The NYC transit system does, all lines run all day all night above ground and underground. Work on the system is ongoing and has to be done while tracks are live and trains are running. Rail replacement for example has to be done within the breif interval between trains.. Signalling system being modernized and switched to CBTC Pretty much ALL older trains have been replaced with new rolling stock and brand new state of the art rolling stock is on order and being delivered as we speak. During and after Hurrican Sandy which struck NYC with extreme winds and the bloody Atlantic Ocean filled the underground portions of the subway recovery was remarkably fast considering the amount of damage that was repaired in record time.
These and more are reasons why New York Transit system is best urban train system in world. None better.
WitchidWitchid
Considering you only good point was 24/7 service and the rest was opinionated waffle, the tube also runs majority 24/7 and as a plus, doesn’t use 1930s signalling systems. It’s not perfect, but it’s a dam lot cleaner and faster.
Do some research before you spew your verbal diarrhoea everywhere.
people in NY like "our subway is so good yep" meanwhile in Japan and HK: few to no delays, basically no accidents, efficient, clean, safe
Consider that the NYC system is around 100 years old and operates 24/7 it's pretty amazing that it all works as well as it does. Also the system has improved a great deal over the past couple of decades with new trains, the opening of the 2nd avenue line. At present the system is undergoing signal modernization and even newer cars are being procured. And a lot of the modernization and improvements take quite some time to be implemented as new technology must be installed while the system is in full operation, thus legacy systems and technology must me maintained and kept in full operation while the new tech is installed.
Unsurprisingly the MTA is a pet project for unions while the MTR that services Hong Kong has been privatized for almost 20 years. The MTA is a piggy bank for special interest groups, which the NYS government refuses to hold accountable. The MTR on the other hand is expected to make it's own living by developing commercial real estate along the transit lines.
As a lifelong New Yorker, I can assure you that no one in the entire history of our subway system has ever thought it was good.
Paris and London also are more than 100 years (I think about 120 years old). This mess doesn't exist there.
None of us say the subway is good, dude what are you smoking?? We all hate the subway and the MTA with a burning passion
The editor for this must deserve an award and a HUGE raise because the content is too good and a top tier execution
This should win every award for a mini-doc in the universe!
That signals system is prehistoric.....
robox91 i dont think thats the problem. Just because its Old doesnt mean that it doesnt work. There is more to the story. Its either not being fix properly or straight up neglect. In fact the old signal that relied on air was more reliable then the one there using now
cool2180, the old system wasn't precise enough to allow operation of trains at a closer distance. The slow response time of the signals may also cause problems.
Marvincent Acuña yea to a degree. But it was reliable and workers have mention that when they started puting this system in at the time . I dont think it was that much space gained with the current system in place. I would like to technical explanation of the current system. Before they had control towers at different stops that control different signals in a certain area now. Currently the signals are control in a central location i think its either in downtown manhattan or brooklyn this location thats controls alll the signals in the system. This video doesnt have all the facts together. What ever signal problem thats occuring is either coming from the central command center or the track itself. Its that simple
cool2180 trust me the system is the MAIN problem Everytime I check and there's a delay it's always a signal problem such as the lights are stuck on red or there's no electricity on the track
They should take some money and upgrade it to an autonomous system right away... From the signaling part of the operation and then you can slowly replace line by line as cars and conductors start retiring.
It is an absolute disgrace for any American city to have subpar subways. Travel anywhere in Europe or Asia and the subway systems are probably cleaner, efficient, and 25 - 30 years more advanced. China is building brand new subway lines every year practically. And Japan has one of the most efficient system in the world with even more users.
It’s time to invest in infrastructure and vote out of office any politician caught misspending MTA funds.
That's the fault of people who KEEP voting the same politicians back into office decade after decade...
Not cheaper. London costs 50% more, japan costs more money at each sto, same in thailand. In nyc you pay one fee to travel any distance. Not to mention nyc is the only one with 24/7 service. If they ended at midnight like all other countries they'd be able to fix the trains and have less delays. It's at midnight where other countries do repairs.
Colorful Codes Yeah London is hella expensive. My young person oyster just ran out and oof😂Those prices.
Well NYC subway is 100 years old.......
Colorful Codes I don’t think it’s the only one that works 24/7
The sheer size of that rat!!! 🐀🤯
Honestly my biggest problem with the trains is how unsafe they feel
Good public transportation = rise in revenue
Those politicians are dumb. Sure they might get more power on the short term but this is how History will remember them...
If people don’t forget about their shortcomings anyway - which they usually do.
the difference between a Politician and a Statesman
Public transport should be funded by those that use it. Public roads and sidewalks, are for the common good.
lightdark00 the city needs to take back the subway from the state
THE Problem is riders dont pay more than a small fraction of the cost meaning they don't care sp much about its waste and inefficiencies. ~$160,000/year in compensation
So they cut funding to the MTA and use the money the MTA actually brings in for other projects. Hmmm, sounds like a solid plan for funding the MTA.
The same thing for Amtrack where their profits were used to bail out car companies in 2008
Amtrak has never had profit.
Your wrong! the reason on why you never see Amtrack's profit is because its taken by the US Government to fund anything but public transport. don't forget that Amtrack is a private company with state subsidies for rail lines but that doesnt mean that they cant turn a profit with these subsidies.....
Amtrak is not a private company. But it keeps all of its revenue. It has never made nearly enough money to pay for capital costs. You don't get to claim that it is profitable by ignoring subsidies either. Profit is money left over after expenses, and for Amtrak this has always been negative.
Amtrak has operated at a loss for over 40 years.
And the D train is still under construction every 5 seconds
good
The bond singing guy was great
Lived in Seoul my whole life. Seoul's subway system is only 5 lines less than NY's and has real-time updates about the exact positions of trains on every station. There's also phone apps that tell you exactly when the next train will arrive and it's integrated with 3rd party map apps so you can time your days perfectly. I don't think I've ever experienced a train being late. It would literally be on the news if it was. I'd scream and jump on the tracks if I had to move to NY.
Oh so you mean to tell me that the infrastructure in a city that didn't start seriously industrializing until the 1950s has more modern technology than one of the oldest cities in the US? Interesting
@@RandomCZcams123 lol
@@John-yg2rt then how come London, Paris, and other old cities don't experience these issues?
Jess, because Americans thought cars and highways were the future back in the 50’s and 60’s so rail wasn’t invested in... also the MTA is run by a bunch of idiots although it does seem to be rapidly improving
@@orangeradishneo cus their railways are subsidized
I live in Moscow and this just makes me laugh. The metro is so good here. It's clean, fast, and beautiful. Granted, the entire metro here was built with an unlimited budget. During rush hour trains arrive every 30 seconds. There are new lines being added every year. 14+ million daily riders.
thats the way it should be in major cities in America, but people don't want taxes going to public transit, that's why roads are clogged during rush hour since the public transit systems SUCKS!. I lived in Germany and the bus and train system puts the American system to shame. You also have a lot of graft and corruption in governments, they will siphon off funds from one area and spent it on other programs that people aren't aware of because it gets buried. If it does get uncovered, there is no accountability since politicians don't stay in office very long. Its the good and bad of the US political system.
Is it true that there are/ were packs of stray dogs taking the metro on their own from the suburbs into the city in the morning and back in the evening? Or is that just a myth?
I COME FROM SUN Thank God I will be dead by then...It's going to look like RUNNING MAN. Or the cab scene in HEAVY METAL
Alexander Lee Moscow’s metro stations are absolutely gorgeous with each having a unique motif to them. It’s the same here in Stockholm. Certain European cities really know how to put class and culture into their public transit systems.
Yeah, I think the Moscow Metro is the one thing the Soviets/Russians got right for once.
"4 in Boston? 2 in LA? That's cute"
Jakarta : *Cries in its single Metro line*
But you have krl and soon some lrt lines right
jakarta rely more on overground tho
@@Setetoto yeah but the krl is extremely slow and overcrowded😀
@@rehanpoonawalla7406 Atleast our KRL isn't dirty as NYC Subway, beside train in japan also has Overcrowded problems.
Hah?
I wish that one day the subway is renovated and expanded, there is the potential for a world class transit system but it will cost billions of dollars and is unlikely to ever happen sadly
Ever since I visited Tokyo every other city feels inadequate in comparison
The trains in Switzerland are never late. I mean it, never. It's like the Swiss made an 8th deadly sin: Thou shalt NEVER be late when on a train!
That's a Swiss thing, lol.
I know the feeling! After being japan I can’t believe America has allowed the subway line to be this bad. I’ve heard horror stories from my husband when it came to New York subway lines. While is Tokyo and Osaka it ran so smoothly and was up hours after a darn typhoon hit Osaka. Needless to say New Yorkers got some work ahead of them.
I think the transit system is a bit confusing in Tokyo. I prefer Hong Kong's transit system. When you transfer from one line to another, you just have to walk across a corridor instead of going up or down a level. That makes so much more sense and saves so much time when commuting.
largol33t1
Just curious, does Switzerland have many immigrants? or few?
Pathetic example of cronyism, corruption and waste of public funds.
J Altenburg
Ok. Let's do something about it.
Ike Okereke: everyone is open to suggestions.
J Altenburg
Vote. Run for office.
Craig F. Thompson cause most NYers are stupid
Craig F. Thompson
Because I am not 18 years old. I will though. I hope to become POTUS.
Government, politicians, and unions.
0:22 "Stand clear of the closing doors, please." I'm laughing so hard! The chaos is so poetic!
7:55 I've watched videos of "third world" countries that have updated train systems but the MTA still runs on things from the 1930's??!!
They are installing CBTC to replace old signals, CBTC is on the (L) & (7) lines.
@@michaelmorales1475 The old system will remain in place. CBTC will complement the old system, particularly during rush hours.
@@WitchidWitchid 👌
I am so glad I retired and moved out of NY. Even this report has my blood pressure up, remembering all the aggravation I went through living there from 1965-2010.
So it was not that good during the 90's? They did make some improvements.
i am so glad i moved out of america :)
@@Augfordpdoggie thats the goal
@@Augfordpdoggie I'm also glad you moved out of America -- you seem to be negative about my country. Don't come back. America has its problems, but it is still the country that most people want to come to and most people want to invest in. We are still the best in most people's eyes.
@@cathynewyork7918 hi cathy its my country too...still not coming back.
That Metrocard that was in the video clip from the 90s looks exactly like an expired one that my cousin used a few months ago.
lol it's still the same metrocard, in 2018. 30 years later.
"New York City has the worst train/transit system"
Deutsche Bahn AG: "Allow me to introduce myself"
Totally, was about to say... Aber die Öffis innerhalb vieler Städte sind meist relativ verlässlich.
I visited New York from Australia around 6 years ago - spent 5 days using the subway/train system to go everywhere - I was amazed at the overall efficiency and clarity of it - in comparison to what we deal with down here, it's amazing.
Yeah it would be to you😂
lol you crazy
u still live in Australia
@@ninjapirate123 yep :)
The only bad thing for me about the MTA is the delays
I love the music, didn't see that one coming
Pmjf It originally came from Spongebob :)
Suren Xavier which music
By the way the spongebob song is called Bad Tempi if you need to here more
this is good content. NYT has to push these video essays more. get on vox's level I think this is better produced.
John Azzinaro vox is full of antifia that complain about everything, this was actually enjoyable to watch with every source, not a “expert” that vox always has.
Do you know what Antifa means?
are you profa?
im confused is it on the same level as vox's or is it above them?
vox is propaganda
This video could have been made about London 20 years ago, with it's misery line, temperatures that were worse than legal safety limits for cattle trucks, constant signal failures, derailments and being stuck in tunnels for nearly an hour. Solution: funding.
Both are similar as funding was the issue for the underground and funding is the current issue for the subway. Thankfully, since this video was made, politicians have taken MTA funding more seriously and the service quality has been getting better albeit somewhat slowly
That makes me feel better. I am a New Yorker, and if our subway is like what yours WAS, then I should be optimistic.
The only reason why state and local officials neglect the subway is beacuse they personally dont use it. They have no real invested interest in it. "A subway system that is on time and respects the dignity of millions? Nah, lets bail out a ski resort".
I can smell the funk of 100 years of the subway coming through my laptop.
The production of the video was stunning (kinda Vox-like)
As a younger subscriber to the Times, I would love to see more videos like it!
stunning? excellent, ok.
Not my response. It seem to assume I had the attention span of a toddler. It couldn't go two seconds without changing the visuals. It also fell way short in content. Money issues were discussed without numbers. Yes, less money I thought, but how much less?
I beg to differ. It is far more captivating to have bright, changing visuals, varying narrators, and narration that gives the viewer simple facts than a voice rattling off stats to a static image.
i would def agree if they showed more of those 70s-80s era graffiti covered trains!
Bingo. I agree 100% on Blue Haired. Combo both the old school of journalism i.e straight non disputed fact and new school i.e tons of videos/photos and basic graphics. IMO Emma (the NYT Metro NYC area Transit Reporter and Main Narrator of this video)did a good job of explaining how did the NY MTA get to it's biggest crisis and (crossroads)since around 1981-1982.
this video is extremely well made
5:48 Nice transition
Omg and i thought DC metro was bad i will sit down and shut up now
Oh no, keep complaining... otherwise you'll end up with a similar disservice.
Boi you have no idea... people regularly sue for how bad the system is...
The green line is really bad still
At the least the DC metro stations (at least the ones I were in) are clean AND have air conditioning.
Lol same here
One of the best news report I’ve seen
ijoly One of the most difficult news reports to follow.
watch Vox videos
Rezzie Yildirim I have and they are brilliant (mostly). This isn't.
Yes! I think this was a bit inspired by their videos. Happy to see them effecting journalism!
Wait.. this isn't vox?
OMG I just LOVE this kind of new way to report news, so much fun!!
Can we all just admit how creative and amazing the video editor was?
In delhi and Dubai they have pilot less train and fully automated signalling systems, i am amazed how nyc mta is using such an archaic system.
Dubai subway began operation in 2009
Delhi subway began operation in 2002, still being built
NYC subway began operation in 1904.
When something is really old and really complex and needs to keep running 24/7, it's pretty difficult to make major changes to it
And that's not to mention all the political nonsense
Delhi ?'? Install toilet first !
@@bassemb not when "something is really old".
More like "when a system is severely neglected and exists just to turn a profit"
@@ellastanton4033 Yup that's the "political nonsense" part
Rahul Pandey In Dehli they also have massive slums. Pick your battles.
i dont care about dirtiness, i care about simply it being on time. but all these people saying 'has it always been this bad' have short term memory as new yorkers know that the subway was more dangerous and more dirty before. but i believe it was on time more often.
But do you ever ask the question -- how much do the people paid to clean it make? Yep, $ 150K.
It was definitely more on time before. I came of age in the 90s and early 2000s. I could get from my house in Queens to my high school internship on the UES in 20 minutes. In the summer. During rush hour. Now, if I give myself less than 1 1/2 hours from the same relative neighborhood to midtown I’m late
No way the janitors or the people sweep it make that. I think most people deep down love the 'edginess' of new york and that dirtiness of the subway. However, i dont think anyone likes late trains.
"I think most people deep down love the 'edginess' of new york and that dirtiness of the subway."
keep telling yourself that boi
I'm from Canada, near Toronto - the TTC is probably if not worse, just as bad as the NYC subway in terms of delays. People often try to compare our subway system with NYC's as something we should be striving for (at least, in terms of how it's organized and how many lines there are) so, there's SOME sort of impression the subway system there is/was good.
"I know one thing: anything is better than that 1 train"
Meanwhile in Tokyo the metro company apologizes if there is a 20 second delay.
Still, the most ridiculous thing about NYC subway is the metrocard still using ancient swipe technology. While the rest of the world is using tap 😂😂😂😂
They still used tokens IN THE 90s!
Jack there finally plans to finally go to a "swipe" system of payment by around 2021 at the latest for the NYC subway.
jackhands31
Really? You tap A BUTTON?! SERIOUSLY? Have I been missing out
@@jolo7 no, you tap your transit card. Or you tap your phone with Google, Samsung, or Apple pay. Or if you are one of the like 5 people with a tap to pay card you can use that.
We use it here in Chicago.
@Just an Indian awkward guy showing the ID is slower and leaves more room for people to get on for free. That's why a lot of cities have swipe or tap to enter. The bus driver doesn't have to inspect it, and since they don't it saves time.
You think it's bad now, I remember visiting New York in 1980. The subway cars were scribbled on from head to toe with graffiti, they chugged along slowly, with the lights inside constantly flickering, they smelled awful, and of course, no air conditioning in the middle of summer. It was a horror. The last time I visited New York, things have improved. Newer cars, although the stations are still old. Anyway, it could be worse. I've seen it.
roachtoasties
the bx in the 70s were 100% worse.
Basically like Level 2 in the Videogame FINAL FIGHT
MTA now in 2019: we achieved the 1970's world standard on underground metro, congratulations to us
They did mention how it was a shitshow in the 70s and 80s but by the 90s it had gotten back to world class standard
Our subway system is literally based on old 60’s infrastructure, and you wonder why there’s so many signal delays and other problems. Modern subway systems like the ones seen in Asia and Europe would be great for handling the massive population of our city. Not to forget that as the MTA fare increases, the quality of service stays the same or actually decreases. There’s so much traffic here and the trains can’t even save you, so it’s no wonder why so many people just jump the turnstiles.
That one moment when subways force you to use cars:
It barely got “The Warriors” back to Coney Island.
Politicians, the useless class of the world.
Politician is a very hard job .. Maybe the hardest one on the planet
@@pa7957
Thats only if the politician is an honest, hardworking individual. Pretty much ANYONE can sit at meetings all day, write and give speeches to the public and vote yes or no on votes. The only special skill required is getting elected.
@@SurprisinglyDeep try and see for yourself , easy to to say and good luck !!!
@@pa7957
No seriously, this is a flaw with political systems. Im not saying there are no good politicians. I'm just saying that politicians are not required to know anything or have any actual skills beyond being charismatic enough to win votes.
Even the charisma thing isn't neccessary if its an appointed position.
Issac Newton once became a member of the English Parliament based on his success in science but never actually said anything or contributed to any debates while in office, he just voted yes or no on bills.
@@SurprisinglyDeep the bigger problem is that the system is too corrupt anyway ...
even the subways from China's 3rd tier cities look nicer than New york's
I love this video! It was very informative and has a history of why and how it all happened. This also made me hate all the people who made bad decisions for the subway and it all started by Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. Thank you so much!
As someone who lives near NYC and uses the metro a lot, it makes me so upset on how dirty it is. I know it's not great to compare countries but I'm currently in Seoul and their train system is excellent. They're living in modern days while when I go back to NYC metro, it feels like I'm in the 90s or 80s. There needs to be funding to the metro. And making people pay for it with the fares isn't working because that money goes somewhere else.
This is the kind of new news videos we all love to see! I want to work for the New York Times be apart of creating them myself.
What is the name of this videos producer?
Emma Josephson The NYT is going under. They may not even be around for much longer.
polifatts
Because king trump says so?
Frank Garrett No, because they literally are going under. They just had massive layoffs, and their viewership is down significantly from its peak. It’s not just NYT though. Mainstream media as a whole is dying off.
polifatts
And being replaced by what? Breitfart and FAUX news? God help us all.
5:20 I LOVE THIS SONG! hire this guy to make a new School House Rock type show!
WWWWOOOOOO there! i live in Cape Town and our system is EXPECTED to be at least 45 minutes late every day all-day.
there is no way NYC could match that!
Jamie MacDonald
Приезжай в Москву, здесь всегда по расписанию.
6:59 imagine they would stop between stations and feel how New Yorkers feel
All of the major news channels copied Vox's style because they realize it'll keep your attention better. But this is a little TOO much editing...
I thought the age of quick cuts was over. You know, each piece is three seconds long, and you have to re-focus your eyes continually. I think I have a headache after watching all those cuts. My attention stops while watching quick cuts.
I like this approach. It was very creative, showed to a wider audience, and was more interesting than a more dull, interviews-and-facts based documentary.
eh, i liked it
For a while I thought I was watching Vox
Yeah, this is trying too hard. I love their clips that are fully animated by one artist.
It's so embarrassing to be a New Yorker on this front. I live in South Corona, Queens I love the Subway my Grandpa & I use to ride it all the times. The NYCT has come a long way to be honest. My Apartment is near 63rd Street Rego Park and that station during Rush Hour is A Hellhole. Governor Cuomo & Mayor De Blasio needs to get their acts together to fix the NYCT.
No one's gonna talk about this street musician, and how he is better than most of the big music artists.
thank you!!!
That guy outshone the whole video. He was the only real thing in it. Great voice.
Everything about this content is fantastic. The editing, the journalism, the lot really!
I rode the NY subways & survived!
If I can survive Chicago El & New York subways...... I'm good
Craig F. Thompson shill
2KGrind09 I ride it everyday
*Tokyo Metro laughing behind*
+ Edit (June, 2019): Oh wow! I've never had this many likes and replies on a comment! Thank you all very much!
american transit is a joke compared to European public transit let alone Tokyo LOL
London Underground says hi
BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) Warm Springs/South Fremont line says If New Yorkers laugh at me, I will take them to Balboa Park station and then drive 500 MPH All the way past Future Berryessa Station and crash you all the way onto US-101
Tokyo? Not bad for one of its age. But try Hong Kong, Singapore, Seoul, and especially Taipei's metro systems. Those are how a modern metro system should look and function.
flyingzone
Singapore looks like it's going downhill. Frequent breakdowns, security lapses, faults, and negligence are becoming common on SMRT now.
well researched and funky animated
Omg I'm from NY and I'm sooo glad to be out of there! I'll always love my city but the politics were awful and it could be felt in the subway system. Late trains, dirty trains and worse of all- constant increases in fare rides made things so frustrating. Great piece here. I remember when politics got involved in the MTA because that really did change everything sadly.
The entire system needs a brand new signal system. The modern in cab signal system known as European Train Control would make a world of difference. As that allows for trains every 90 seconds.
Also the stations need major upgrades to make them fully accessible and more bright and airy inside. Platform screen doors along the edge of the platforms would greatly improved the look and safety at stations. Also part of the process to install the platform screen doors could be used to remove the columns that block passenger flow on the platforms. By relocating the columns to become either part of the door structure or to tunnel walls allowing a larger clear space in the station.
Completely walk through trains that allows passengers to move throughout the whole train in airconditioned comfort would help distribute the passenger load better through the whole train.
They're installing CBTC, the (L) & (7) lines have them alteady.
"The modern in cab signal system known as European Train Control would make a world of difference. As that allows for trains every 90 seconds. "
It is implemented and being tested on the L train. If it works out it will eventually be implemented on all lines.
They’re gonna install CBTC on the E, F, M and R between Jackson Heights and Forest Hills soon
@@uptownsanz4465 yeah. They have been doing a lot of work in that section for a while now. Signal related work.
"we never really know where the train is" OMG
That song about issuence bonds was great
Wow living in DC, I feel lucky. If they added some lines across the city rather than just for the suburbs and some longer hours which should happen soon it would be perfect
MTA is so awful, especially compare to other cities like London Underground and Paris Metro
It's not really fair to compare an American city's transit system to a European city's considering that the latter were historically planned and laid out for pedestrian traffic and not vehicular traffic. Of course a city like Paris is going to allocate more funds into public transportation considering how rooted it is in their societal foundation for people to use it.
I don't think that's it Tooty. If you watch the video, it appears clear that the MTA's problems stem from a lack of funds, which stem from (best case) bad choices by the people in charge (or worst case) corrupt officials and a broken short term outlook. The Tube is not with out it's issues, but if you compare how much the government spends on it, I'm sure you will find London and Paris spend significantly more per meter of track.
Not sure if you read my reply correctly, but we're essentially saying the same thing.
Are you joking? Paris metro is one of the dirtiest in Europe. Milan ATM is leagues better.
Paris Metro? Milan ATM? That's cute. Moscow Metro FTW
Great video. Tight editing.
No wonder I appreciated it. I love the Vox channel
Saying this from 2023 almost 2024, I'd say the MTA has recovered. I can get on a train, and it'll go FAST. 7 Ave, Queens Boulevard, and Lexington Avenue as well as Flushing have fast, express service and local service. I love the subway nowadays, and it has definitely improved from 2019.
Wow. So glad of the new Elizabeth Line in London, and even the oldest stations in London seem better. I really hope they improve the subway in New York.
The signal system is the backbone of any transit system and considering that most of the equipment is from the 1950sand and older who knows when they will be back on track. Only way is to invest major money and shut down whole branches at a time. Trurh hurts.
Dirty Ribz listen the old signal system that they had was most reliable than the one they got now. Thats the truth. If you take time to research what how the current system compares to the old one you would understand
Just off transit fares, the MTA grosses appx 17 MILLION DOLLARS PER DAY. That is more than enough to run the system. Corruption and flat out theft is the culprit - not city or state budget cuts.
Yeah, similar with tfl but it is a big transport company, it gets 300 million pounds a month, it is a guess btw, but that is ALOT of money, and it is all from transit fares.
Actually the trains just need a break to repair at midnight like every other efficient subway in the world.
eh.... maybe, but you also have to take into account reduced fares for seniors and subsidized fares for students, and disabled people. not to mention fare skippers, people who use monthly cards instead of paying daily fares and the numbers come down.
And then this is when he notices that the MTA has to run 27 lines and 472 train stations and 5000+ of buses.
You did the math if everyone person (6mil) rides the subway once a day ($2.75) which is roughly $17mil. However, you have to think about all of the sub way riders who ride the subway approximately three or more times a day. On average a typical subway rider takes the train about three times a day. So after the new calculations are made, MTA actually makes approx $66-67mil daily. Where does the money go, is the real question.
Does anyone else keep re watching this video because of how well put together it is?
If there really is: 'a light at the end of tunnel'; be aware it could be an approaching train.
I was just in NYC for 4 days earlier this month and the subway was great. Everything was on time and orderly. Went all the way from the Bronx to Coney Island to Times Square and the upper West Side by Harlem. It was fantastic. Got the $32 MetroCard pass for me and my GF. It was a wonderful experience. Maybe I just got lucky?
Yeah you got lucky.
It makes me feel so lucky for the London Tube
yeah, if you were around in the 70s, and then look at the London Tube and the Overground today, the improvement is mind boggling
A 24/7365 service is useless in europe (cities are lived by day and not by night) and it's harmful to infrastructure (little time to do major maintainace works).
However London does operate (on a limited number of lines, and on the weekend only) a night service (called "Night Tube") with reduced frequencies.
Express services are also useless (it's a compact city, riding times suburbs-centre are shorther than New York's while still carrying a similar relative amount of people).
Increasing the diameter of the deep-level tube lines is ridiculously expensive and useless. steps are being taken to allow longer trains (wich is a less stupid and more suitable way of increasing capacity).
Foward wiews (intended as a glass partition between the cab and the passenger saloon) might be appreciated but they're not necessary. (and there are a lot of cab-ride videos on youtube).
New York's transit system is unique. What applies to it is probably not suited to other transit systems. (that will however still be more efficient and reliable than New York's).
What i meant by "cities are lived by day and not by night" is that all major works are done by day and not by night. Yes, there is nightlife but in general you won't find anyone around at 2/3 Am (except for the weekend). This is because in europe we have a culture of regularly doing basic things at certain times (sleeping, eating, working...), so there is little to no one around at night. It's not that nothing gets done in europe, we just do it in the morning. Faster. Better.
The 3.10m diameter of the deep-level tube lines allows for a 2.62m wide and 2.87m high trains (with passenger room height of 2.87 - 0.69 = 2.18m) compared with an IRT R62 wich has a passenger room height of 2.51m (just 33 cm higher).
If this was a "serious fault" they certainly won't have built 7 different lines using these standards over a 120 year span!
(deep level tube lines are the Bakerloo, Central, Jubilee, Northern, Piccadilly, Victoria and Waterloo & City).
Anyway there is not a big difference in (passenger room) height even compared to the 2500mm of the almost standard of many subway trains in europe, here represented by my city's most notable subway train: the 8000 series for the line 3 (1990).
www.exponsor.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/metro-milano.jpg
I still don't understand what do you mean by "foward wiew".
That might be:
-The driver's front window. Wich obiviusly is there.
-A transparent partition between the passenger room and the driver's cab.
-A so-called "rail fan window" like those on the R32 and R40 trains.
If it's the rail fan windw, that will be technically impssible, because all of the trains in europe (not just london) have a full-cab as compared with the R32 and R40 wich have a "cubicle-cab" that occupies only a third of the car front.
In london the passengers is able to travel all the network but the fare depends by the distance traveled. The higher the zone number, the cheaper the fare gets, however in zone one, with the highest fares the ticket price will be just 1/2 pounds.
Furthemore, unlike New York, where the subway is practically the one and only urban rail service, the underground in london is complemented by a vast and extensive network of urban and commuter railways (and i'm not talking about 4 coaches pulled by a diesel loco on a single track, i'm talking about electric multiple units in 12 and 8-car sets running at 120 Km/H on electrified double and even quadruple track).
This will be further complemented with Crossrail, an underground trunk line connected to the national railway network reaching the major stations in london, and will carry suburban lines from the east and west right into the city center.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossrail
Here in Milan we already have something similar, it's known as the "passante".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Passante_railway
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Never mentioned anywhere a 16-hour schedule.
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There is a window on the cab door on many subway trains here (actually in my country, it's a law requirement), but in most cases they're obscured by the drivers and/or maintainance staff, for various reasons.
It's disappointing, but this is how it is.
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By "urban rail service" i meant a railway line that traverses the city and operates with high frequencies, in a manner similar to a subway service.
LIRR, Metro-North, PATH and NJT are commuter railways, but they terminate at certain stations (Penn and Central Terminal).
In other words, by "urban railway" i mean a system similar to our Passante, Paris's RER, Vienna's Schnellbahn or London's Crossrail.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_S-Bahn
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Passante_railway
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9seau_Express_R%C3%A9gional
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Let me get that just straight.
New York is a special city, with special needs. What applies to it may not apply or worse, be harmful, to other cities.
What you fail to acknowledge is that there are other ways to do things beyond the "New York way of doing things".
This is because not evryone in the world shares the same ways of doing things, ideas, city planning, city shape and conformation, laws, regulations, population density, economic system, political system, culture and needs.
All matters that are important in the planning, construction and operation of any kind of pubblic utility service. Not just rapid transit.
In other words city differs from country to country (and maybe even by region to region), so standardized designs are useful only inside a same country.
Let me make an example
In the Soviet Union and other Warsaw Pact countires, rapid transit lines (Metro) were all built with a similar shape, with three lines each intersecting the other two, forming a triangle in the city center.
This is because the cities all had a similar structure, wich was carefully planned in advance.
examples are: Moscow (1935), St.Petersburg (1955), Kiev (1970, Ukraine), Krakiv (1975, Ukraine), Tashkent (1977, Uzbekistan) and Prague (1973, Czech Repubblic).
There were some variants, due to different geographical conditions, but most of the 20+ different networks in operation in the late 80s were built that way.
This is one of the most generic possible desings for subway networks, and still there are some areas where it won't apply (Baku, Samara, Nizy-Novgrod, to stay in the former USSR).
There is no such thing as a "social curew" or a prison-like schedule.
It's just that the only workplaces open by night are those of the emergency services (Hospitals, Fire Stations, Pubblic Security...), nightclubs and pubs (only on weekends), a very few selected supermarkets wich operate with minimal staff and fast foods such as McDonalds and Burger King (wich is no surprise given that they are american).
Consequently, wich so few people around at night, keeping open a rapid transit system is tremendously expensive, so municipal transportation bureaus tend to use shuttle busses that make the same route, at a fraction of the cost.
Also, it's not that a city chooses to operate 24/7 rather than having air condition.
Pubblic Transportation Bureaus know what they are required to do, what they dont' need, what they need and how to acheive it.
If the city it's compact, an express service would be a waste of money.
If the city tend to have more daylife than nightlife, a 24/7 service would be a waste of money.
If the city it's in the artic it would rather choose heating over air con,
meanwhile if the city is in the middle of the desert, they would rather choose air con over heating.
Remember when the mta bus was 2.25???
Now it's 2.75.
The production value of this is remarkably good! Great short documentary, well produced.