The REAL Solution to Red Bulls 2nd Driver Problem
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- 🏁 Who should occupy the coveted 2nd driver seat for the 2025 Formula 1 season? In this video, we dissect the team's options, weigh the pros and cons, and explore why replacing Sergio Perez with Daniel Ricciardo might not be the best move for the team.
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⏱ Timestamps
00:00 Intro
00:36 Red Bulls Problem
03:12 Sainz vs Ricciardo
08:02 Why Choose Sainz
11:14 Verstappen & Sainz
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🔍 We'll delve into the strengths and weaknesses of potential candidates for Red Bull's 2nd driver seat, including Daniel Ricciardo and Carlos Sainz. From their track record to their compatibility with the team's dynamic, no stone will be left unturned as we evaluate the contenders.
🤔 While Ricciardo brings experience and skill to the table, we'll discuss why his return to Red Bull Racing may not be the optimal choice. Factors such as team chemistry, performance consistency, and adaptability will be examined to shed light on the potential challenges of this move.
💡 With a strong track record and a promising future ahead, we'll make the case for why Carlos Sainz could be the ideal candidate to partner with Max Verstappen at Red Bull Racing in 2025. From his impressive performances to his synergy with the team's objectives, Sainz emerges as a compelling choice for the seat.
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Considering the date I expected the suggestion to be to clone Max.
If Red bull could clone Max there would be 4 verstappens on the grid
If Checo is lo loose the seat, Sainz is the best option by far. But I highly doubt Checo is going to lose the seat because he is all that Red Bull wants right know, a point finisher that doesn’t challenge Max and brings big sponsors with him.
Checo needs to have a good 2024 though. Because 2023 was a bit of a nightmare season for him, he should have been nowhere close to Hamilton in the standings
Sainz definitely deserves the Red Bull seat considering his recent performances and not to forget that he was a Red Bull junior while also being Max’s first ever teammate. Other than him Alonso would be a chad move 💀(ignore my delusion). No other driver really deserves a Red Bull seat as of now although Liam is still an option.
Alonso to Red Bull would be a baller move but I’m not sure they would want a 40 odd year old
@@NotApplicableF1 u have a point but still u can’t forget the fact that it’s Alonso he still has that skill within him and can bring improvements in the team finding errors etc like what he has been doing here in Aston Martin
yuki could be a shout if these great performances as of recent become a recurring trend (and perez flops). Yuki has been doing rlly good but knowing him he can throw all this momentum away in an instant.
For Yuki to get the seat he would probably have to be getting consistent points for VCARB, including top 5s and podiums. It’s possible and I would love to see Yuki in a top team but I don’t think it’s likely
@@Bananananananannananananna could be but after a long time and he might not be the best choice considering his on track personality which could damage the team’s chemistry.
I'm a bit worried when it comes to the car. Carlos was closest to Charles when the Ferrari wasn't as pointy, and the RB20 is probably even pointier than the new Ferrari is now.
Carlos is certainly one of the better driver on the grid, but given the pressure and curse connected to that second seat... it'd be a real shame to see someone like Sainz "wasted".
That is a very good point, the red bull is definitely a very very pointy car. But I would back him to still get more from it than Perez
@@NotApplicableF1 I think that him having the Aston Martin Honda developed around him would be golden. He is first driver material for sure, and it would make perfect sense. I feel redbull will have some pains when it comes to the new engine and Sainz is on precious time. Aston Martin also ticks all his boxes, a shot at the title (could work with Honda and the rumoured Aramco controlling stake plans), and stability, with a 4 year contract probably being quite likely.
Financially it makes sense too. Both Perez and Sainz have sponsorships attached to them so by replacing Sainz with Perez, you maintain a similar sponsorship investment in the team.
I think Sainz is a amazing driver but personally I don’t think when he leaves he wants to be a #2 driver considering how he’s been performing and winning races I think he wants to be a #1 on his new team.
Where does he go to be that #1 though? I think if he goes to be a #1 further down the grid he will end up being stuck with a terrible car
@@NotApplicableF1 Yeah, it's better to be #2 driver in fast car than be #1 in slow car
I’m still pretty new to F1, but Sainz to Red Bull sounds like the most reasonable choice from my limited experience. With what I understand, it also seems like he isn’t entrenched into either side of the current Red Bull civil war that’s brewing, so maybe that could be a plus point for him too?
There is a little bit of history between max and Carlos’s dads from there toro rosso days. But I’d hope they’re over that now considering both their sons are adults now
Totally agree, Sainz isn't flashy but he gets the results. When the car suits he shades Charles, and the reverse is true. If you measure their wins and points after 3+ seasons together it's extremely close, they just do the job in different ways. It will be the same at RedBull with Max, who will be the quicker driver, but Carlos has a way of raising his game, a little like Lauda used to go about things. The contract will add a nice symmetry to the career of the boy who started as a RedBu junior. Forget the crap about the fathers, both drivers are grownups now.
sainz deserve all the best
He is so underrated
Having trouble seeing Carlos/Fernando/Alex/Pierre wanting to be number 2, subject to team orders in a team/car built around Max. Can't see RB taking Yuki or Estaban due to temperament. Unless Danny Riccardo finds a Honey Badger in a time machine he won't be the man
They're not going to destroy Lawson by putting him with Max. Hulk is nearing that end of his career & probably not a big step up on Checo. I think RB are in a bit of a bind if they want to replace Checo.
They could just end up keeping Perez as long as he has a good season
This was a really well put-together video, James! And I completely agree with all of your points, Sainz should undoubtedly be the most sought-after driver for Red Bull next season.
Thanks so much Clare! I hope that you’re doing well. The return of sainz would be a great full circle story
@@NotApplicableF1 I think if a team had to make a decision right this second, sainz would be the clear choice....BUT it would be most logical to wait till the end of the season to see how every driver from every team has done so they can make a rational and reasonable choice. Don't you think that's reasonable?
I don't know why sergio perez gets the disapproval of fans, he is a solid driver holding his own with so much pressure on him
I mean he is literally 2nd in 2023 F1 standings! What more do you need from the "2nd" driver
The performance gap is a worry though, and the inconsistency. Some days he just goes missing. I've been watching old races and some days he goes unnoticed, struggling to pick up a few points.
Sergio Perez is a great driver. But he had a shocking 2023 that was carried by a solid first 6 or 7 races from a points perspective. There were too many races where he was scrapping with the teams he should be nowhere close to
@@NotApplicableF1 yeah but the fact remains that he held 2nd position in standing and that is worth a lot to a team who owes their constructor cup to Perez, unlike many I doubt red bull would let Perez go
I think Carlos in Red Bull would be the perfect option for Red Bull but not necessarily for Carlos. He'd be clear number 2, there's no doubt, and I'm not sure he'd want to be a number 2 after a decade of pretty good performances in the sport. I think this whole thing depends on what Carlos thinks he can achieve in the sport and what he'd be happy with. If it's "only" a few wins and podiums, then sure, Red Bull may be the perfect place, but If he thinks he can win a WDC, he needs to take a gamble with [insert whichever team you prefer].
The problem with going elsewhere is it’s a step down and a real gamble. At red bull he definitely gets a handful of wins. Anywhere else he may never even end up on the podium again.
@@NotApplicableF1 That is true. But then there's the other side, what If it really works out? He may be a champion, which he'll, most likely, never be in Red Bull. But anyway, he's in a bit of a tricky situation.
great analysis, enjoyed both form of your content
I doubt it will happen, but I'd love to see Ollie Bearman get in there
He’s on his way to Haas
Is it just me or there is something wrong about the shutter speed of the video ? The motion blur seems a little bit off. But love your videos man, keep it up. Watching you from 50 k sub. And the infinite craft live was lit . Best of luck.
Great video.. but it doesnt really go into "why should Sainz do it".
You mention unfinished business but i dont really see that. And i doubt he would take a 2nd driver role (again).
From Sainzs perspective any other move is a step down the grid. I know he keeps getting linked to Audi but for me that’s career suicide
@NotApplicableF1 yeah on both! Betting on Audi is fine but driving for Stake a year makes your carreer (well) done
@@NotApplicableF1 Another good reason for Red Bull is if he is really going to Audi he can do a quick 1 year stint while some other rookie drivers get tested in VCARB, Haas, or Sauber, which gives Red Bull more time to observe long term options
Red Bull need to take a gamble and put Lawson in the seat. Yes i mean the red bull seat for those who's heads have just fallen off. They have no other drivers that have shown they are good enough to consistently get results in the toro rosso outfit, we know perez has a limit and its nowhere near Max plus hes not getting younger. Just because they rushed in Gasly and Albon doesn't mean Lawson doesn't deserve the chance.
I think it’s too soon for Lawson. They tried that with Gasly and Albon before as you said and both have gone in to be great elsewhere when given time to grow. Lawson needs a season of two at RB first.
I reckon Aston is the best option for Carlos , a team on the up , red bull is the best car atm moment but it’s maxs team
Daniel Ricardo stoped sainz from going into red bull then replaced him in renault and finally taking his McLaren seat
Now sainz gets his red bull seat
Ricciardo honestly had a really good campaign in 2023 considering the sheer races he had and the injury he was carrying, and in Ricciardo fashion he dropped his stock the next year struggling with confidence, as a die hard Ricciardo fan I hope he finds his groove once again ❤
I don't think Carlos Sainz is the answer because Marko knew of Sainz's raw pace and tactical brilliance back in 2015 but had to let him go to prioritize Verstappen and capitalize on the growing rookie pool. It's a bitter sweet relationship I believe and considering Carlos usually takes a season or two to get used to a car's philosophy as we saw in 2022, I don't think him and Marko have the same expectations... career suicide as well considering just how pointy that car is and how no drivers outside Max and Ricciardo could synergize with it.
Imminently reasonable. But I think the problem will always be Max and his ultra-competitive attitude. And then there's the issue between the fathers.
I have no doubt Carlos can extract the peak performance from the RB21 next year.
But does RBR really want the drama?
I think both drivers are old enough to tell there dads to just stay out of it now.
Why not gasly or albon?
As I said in your poll... just ditch the second car, we saw last year that they still will get both those titles. /j
It’s annoying that this is true 😂 max is just something else right now
Just bring Sainz on board.
Perks:
> Competitive Redbull team
> Possible Chaotic team dynamics
> Improved Max with competitive Sainz
> Boring F1 race becomes a fun filled surprise session
I’d say it would be a battle between the honey badger, the smooth operator, and Liam Lawson for the next Red Bull seat. I feel like Yuki would have to prove more even though he did good so far into the 2024 season, it just doesn’t feel right for me. I feel like Yuki would be a maybe in the mix of drivers
You missed two points
1. Alonso is the best driver available in 2025, though he is not moving to RB for sure
2. You forgot the mention the beef between Max and Sainz Dads .
But Sainz is getting the RB seat in 2025 totally agree with that
Nah Alonsos age counts against him being the best available driver. But I do agree the dad situation could be a sticking point. Hopefully they’re over it 😅
If anything the Jos factor carries ZERO weight with Horner, I don't need to explain do I? Carlos Sr is a clever but diplomatic man, Jos is an antagonist from everything I can evaluate. I wouldn't put it past Christian using the situation to get up Verstappen Sr's nose.
@@NotApplicableF1carlos’ dad would be fine but jos wont. Jos is a psycho.
Sure, but would Sainz want to be the 2nd driver at RBR, where he would have to default to Max, especially when it comes to wins because RBR would not want their drivers splitting wins. If Mercedes goes for Alonso, he could slip into the 1st driver seat at Aston.
But is he really going to win races at Aston Martin anytime soon? There’s no guarantee that will happen, that’s why Alonso would be willing to leave
@@NotApplicableF1 true, but I guess it just depends on what Sainz values more...being the #1 driver on a midfield car, that will probably get better in 2026 when Honda starts supplying Aston or the #2 driver in the best car that will prioritize all wins to Max...plus will be a question mark come 2026 after Honda leaves.
@@bl4ckst0ne There have been races where Max had performance issues where a more effective Checo should have taken wins (since Monaco 2022). Carlos knows how to exploit certain circumstances. Also he wasn't afraid to trade a number 1 seat at a rising McLaren where he almost won 2020 Italian GP on merit, for a seat against an extremely quick teammate that everyone said would destroy him.
The main issue is that we have to keep Max happy. He doesn't want to win, he HAS TO WIN DAMMIT!!
This isn't unique just to him, Michael Schumacher was the same, as was Fernando Alonso. So it is not in Red Bull's best interest to have a Number Two who can challenge him. That was why Daniel Ricciardo left Red Bull. He saw the way the wind was blowing and it wasn't in his direction. Devon Butler could take Perez's seat and he would still have to deal with the same issues
You forget to take into account the politics. If Horner takes control of the team, Alonso would be the favourite. If Redbull settles down Perez or Sainz makes sense
Honestly, depends on who runs the show ,if it's horner ,DR or a cutie patootie who won't trouble max,if it's helmut ,a fierce one like Alonso,Sainz etc. Pierre is not getting that's for sure
it would be only fair....
you take my seat in the second best car, I'll go to the best car then
It would really show Ferrari what they’re missing
Great video in a vacuum. But it's also always all about politics; Camp Verstappen vs. Camp Sainz - their dads do not get along well: supposedly. Therefore all other points becoming kinda irrelevant. Still great comprehension of the past, present and imaginary future.🎉
I think the whole dad situation shouldn’t affect them anymore. They’re both old enough to stick up for themselves and their dads should be able to let their adult sons speak for themselves
I will be honest. Just bring Latifi in as 2nd red bull driver. Only one plan. Crash or Retire when needed bringing out a SC. Keep him updated about the race and he makes the decision when to retire
Why didn’t they accept the free PUs
They were already running on the renault engines when the move happened
Carlos to Red Bull ans Lawson to get Daniel's seat
Checo should retain the seat
Ok, lets just think, at the end of the 2020 season, what if stroll retired?
the real solution to rb second seat problem is get rid of the second seat, it's more economical and energy efficient and max's gonna win constructors anyways
Such a good video,i fully agre with you,Sainz is the best option for the red bull seat indeed
Thanks mate. I do have to admit I’m slightly biased as I still love sainz from when he was at McL
@@NotApplicableF1 Me too, thanks for the great videos.
Sure, but would Sainz want to be the 2nd driver
I think he would be fine being 2nd to max for now. There’s no other team that guarantees him wins and if Audi comes along and kills it he could always move there later
He wasn't afraid of Charles, I know, Max is a different proposition but Carlos backs himself.
@@visionproductionsnz7828 RBR is Max's team. He will be given team orders to let Max pass just like Checo has in the times that he's been ahead.
He no longer owns his own jet.
bred
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If Sainz come to Redbull he will replace Max not Sergio
That is a hot take! 🔥
That could happen because their has been rumours of verstappen moving to Mercedes
Perez perfect number 2. Extend his contract very easy
If he keeps up the good drives for sure. But I have a worry that he won’t
@@NotApplicableF1given the comparisons you saw between Perez and Sainz joining the team (if Sainz went for it) I would also suggest it isn't his best option in case he finds himself in the same situation Perez has been over the last year or so.
Think you sniffing glue mate.... hw is carlos better than Fernando?
Long term he is a much better investment. Alonso doesn’t have that long left in him surely
@@NotApplicableF1 Fair point but he catagorically isnt better, thats what you said
yuki tsunoda
I think the best thing to do is wait until the end of the season to see how EVERYONE performs. Who agrees?
The problem with that is drivers will want to have an idea of there future. It’s a huge risk for them to wait that long
@@NotApplicableF1 well either way I think 3 races is way too early to judge yet. I think waiting until at least the mid season break to see what happens ye?
Ricciardo is performing JUST as expected. At least to neutral viewers like me. Maybe not to the likes as Horner. But that guy still believes in fairy tales.
estos ingleses ya cagan el palo queriendo sacar a checo de redbull ablen dw en ingles que no gano una sola carrera el canafiense que si no fuera por papi no estati en f1 a pero todos los ingleses quieren quitat a checo
first
How old are you, 12?
@@Jejkingthat’s too high he must be lower than that
Also no one cares
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Closely contested at TR he says. Hahahahahaha, no it wasn't, at all. Max had three times the amount of points that Sainz had in their rookie season. Couple that to the fact that Sainz had way more experience than Max did in open-seaters and it's quite obvious why they chose to promote Max and not Sainz. Unfinished business? Only if Sainz wants more of a beating, in which case he should definitely step into the meatgrinder that is Max+RB. Only a couple of seasons and Sainz is the next piece of damaged goods Max drives out of the team. No, Sainz would be better off going to merc, beating georgieboy there is a far more realistic ask of him. He can go play team leader there, Max has that position at RB.
Most "fans" tend to underestimate Carlos, and your example of points doesn't well the whole story. If you're interested in looking through the qualifying record of the two it's extremely close Carlos edged Max in 8 of the 19 rounds. Renault reliability was patchy accounting for much of the difference between the two. Team bosses have him on their shopping list, don't worry. He has a harder character than emo types like Pierre, Alex and Checo. Granted wins will be scarce at RedBull against Max whoever is his teammate.
@@visionproductionsnz7828 Yeah, because qualifying really is what makes you champion, you should go tell Leclerc that. Max simply beat him in TR and if he wants more of that, he should definitely try to go to RB. I wouldn´t be surprised if merc takes him, georgieboy is not a career breaker like Max is.
Driver problem??????????????? if you think Checo is a bad driver, yo have a big mental problem.
If Sainz wants to be the number one driver, then red bull isn't the place to go. Verstappen is their man.
It sucks ferrari is getting rid of him so they can add the insufferable whiner for a year or two.