Descent: Legends of the Dark Review - A New Kind of Dungeon Crawler
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Great review! I'm also Minnesotan, and the Cohen brothers' Fargo is going to haunt us until the end of our days. I swear that we don't all talk like that. The state isn't a desolate icescape either!
I'm from Minnesota too, and, yeah, we actually do talk like that.
Stop telling people it is nice here - don’t want it getting too crowded.
I guess my main gripe with this game is that its release is the final nail in the coffin for 2nd ed, and now I won't be able to get any of the remaining sets I was unable to get before. That, and I liked being the overlord player.
Yes, impossible to find stuff for 2e now :(
Maybe I'm weird, but I kind of love the art. This looks really cool!
Hey, we love the art too! All about less homogenous art in board games.
Fully agree!
But literally no one can possibly love the tile art surely…
The art has certainly grown on me. I like it now and I used to really dislike it.
@@nizmotube Tile say is fine. At least it's not cartoony crap.
I got the Aeon Flux reference. I am officially old.
Oh man, I want it, but I just can't justify the price with my limited gaming time, Frosthaven already on its way to my door, and Oath singing its siren song of "weird cool game" from the other room.
You can get the rule book and the app for free. Pencil and paper to write down character stats (found off of pics and CZcams views) and you can play it for free.
@@furmeinvader3475 A PnP version would be funny
I've missed Elaine! She's a great compliment to Efka and should be in every video hehe Great job ya'll!
0:52 can we just appreciate the fact that Elaine perfectly said Minnesota in a Minnesotan accent? Beautiful.
I’ve spent a week in Minnesota to visit my cousins and yes, the accent is spot on!
Uffda, you betcha she did.
Re. Gloomhaven being stuck with a character and having 17 scenarios until retirement - you're able to add a new character to the party of any unlocked class levelled up to the prosperity level and play with them instead and return to your original character as and when you choose.
in Brazil, this game costs R$1399,00, which is about 270 dollars, but our minimum wage is R$1100. I think this is a hard buy at this price here
In the US its $175 and minimum wage is at 7.25
You have to work 14 hours to get this game in Brazil, but in the US you have to work 24 hours with minimum wage.
So they are actually considered cheaper in Brazil.
@@because9911 in Brazil, our minimum wage is monthly, so no. You have to work 160 hours+ with minimum wage to buy this game
@@Pheryus oh i get it now sorry about that!
@@because9911 I wish that was true. As the other commenter said, that´s more than a month's work for those with minimum wage here
Thanks for the review; it’s clearly deeper and more comprehensive than other reviews out there right now. What do you think of the new expansion?
the game looks really fun, and i didn't have any of the hang-ups other folks seemed to have with this game... except the price-to-scenarios ratio. maybe that's an unfair metric by which to judge games (especially considering this one comes with a lot of fancy looking terrain stuffs), but it's one that has served me and my wallet fairly well.
just a few comparisons to other games using their msrp:
shadows of brimstone: US$120, 12 scenarios
zombicide: $100, 10 scenarios
dungeon degenerates: $80, 20 scenarios
pandemic legacy: $50, 12 scenarios
gloomhaven: $140, 90+ scenarios
jaws of the lion: $50, 24 scenarios
middara: $170, tons of scenarios
descent 2: $60, ~30 (i think?) scenarios
(i think all those prices are correct, or at least close)
and then there's descent LotD: $175, 16 scenarios. oof even at a certain online retailer, it's still US$140. that's a lot of money for not a lot of missions. even if they're quite varied and fun and lovely, the price doesn't make sense compared to many of the (very high quality) competition, and even its own predecessor, unless you *really* want a lot of cardboard terrain. obviously this is all just my opinion, and i'm certainly not saying other folks can't think D: LotD is a good deal. (i hope they do!)
i think you guys gave it a fair review and definitely made me want to play it... but only if someone else is buying lol.
thanks for the vid, cheers!
@walkerbetweenworld i too can attest to Asmodee's shoddy customer service. bought MoM2e recently and my copy didn't have one of the investigator miniatures, nor the 1st edition character pack. Asmodee/FFG told me to kick rocks. the company makes great games, but more and more it seems all they want to do is milk their customers for money, not foster a lasting relationship. definitely a shame.
Helpful review especially the bit where you briefly mention it being not-terrible to play with Younger Gamers. Cheers.
I LOVE this game! We have been having a blast and are playing tonight!
Seeing how much of the game is handled by a machine - story elements, resource gathering, crafting, combat resolution, levelling up, proper rules reference - I think it's fair to ask the question when does a boardgame stop being a boardgame and become a videogame with a physical map... ? I don't think the review answered that with any points other than a flat "No", which is disappointing.
If the app rolled dice and tracked enemy movement, would any physical stuff be still needed?
To stretch it a bit further, would abandoning the bit where you move a piece of plastic over soem cardboard and instead giving each player a controller not lead to even more gameplay possibilities? Especially given that the cost of this is triple of something like Divinity Original SIn 2, which is an excellent 2-player dungeon crawler.
Really disappointed they don't address the price. For real, this isn't just a small detail. This is probably the most expensive retail boardgame FFG has ever released. For a channel that always was involved in social commentary, the analysis on how or why we're at this price point is severaly lacking. Review copy provided free of charge by the publisher says it all I guess.
@@blackdeath099 I'm fairly certain they mention the price a half a dozen times. Maybe more? You'll have to decide for yourself if it's "worth it"... All they can do is give their impressions and acknowledge it's various characteristics. As with all games, some will believe the price is too high. The number of hours of enjoyment could be in the hundreds for certain groups, whereas others might become bored after less than two.
@walkerbetweenworld I didn't see a "gloss over." The price was mentioned several times. The viewer and or consumer must determine the value of the game for themselves. Would you have felt better off if they made an absolute statement on value, knowing full well that the value is different for different audiences? I'm not sure that is what I want as a viewer.
I prefer what I got. An explanation of what to expect and the enjoyment they got from the game. With that, I am capable of making a decision on the value the game has to me. You are also capable.
@walkerbetweenworld the first question you want answered is "is it worth it"? Then they give you a summary of the game, components and rules and such, along with the actual price of the game. You want them to say, "it is worth IT" or "it is not worth IT" to which I would ask several questions.
What type of gamer are you?
Do you enjoy other games of this genre?
Is this an art style you prefer?
Is this game based on a subject in which you had previous interest?
How much disposable income do you have?
And on and on. I could think of 100 more questions that might help someone determine if it's "worth it" to them. As a reviewer, there's no way they can know your circumstances well enough to know if you'll find it to be "worth it".
If there are physical components you need to interact with to play, it's a tabletop/board game. If there aren't any, it's a computer game.
Great review! I really like how you two roll :) I have been waiting to see what the reviewers had to say on this game - your review is probably the best one I've seen so far - balanced, fair, and informative. Its price point in New Zealand is $320 - $350 which is a consideration but not a barrier - I pledged for the HeroQuest reprint which is a similar price - but I'm buying nostalgia with HeroQuest (I also have an OG copy of the game) as well as expansions and extras. I have been watching this game with interest - from FFG playthroughs, to comments on Facebook - its been interesting seeing how people are reacting to it. I enjoy Descent 2e and would love to see reprints of that - purely to complete my collection. I think FFG have tried something different and I think that's great - but I don't think I'm going to pick this game up - I need new socks too. Thanks again for a great review
Thank you for the well crafted review.
I waited for reviews for after the games released. Too many prior release "reviews" put the game down with much of the criticism you mentioned about the app feeling like a game in itself.
I am interested in the game and you have helped hyped that up a bit.
This... is surprising - but I really appreciate that you guys tackled this one!
Also, Elaine emoting over Efka's closing filled my heart.
Nice to see Elaine!
May have missed it in your video but other than the app comparison between this and LOTR Journeys how would you compare the overall experience, equal, better?
You can always watch our review of LOTR Journeys!
I love to discover a new game (potential buy) with all the humor you include in your videos. Really enjoyed it, great job ! Cheers from France
very good review, now waiting for next podcast!
Considering I just picked this up with all the promo stuff it came with and the core game for 150... The price tag for what you usually get isn't even that bad at this point at like 130.
Excited to play this soon!!
Review bombing and "Rating it a 10/1 to balance the 1s/10s" has been around for a while so I highly doubt it has anything to do with who the designer is and "angry men."
The discussions I've seen on forums have mostly centered around the price and the concerns of whether or not this will be a finished product per se or just an intro to more hihg price boxes in the future.
Thanks for the review. It calmed me down a bit. I didn't realize it had 16 scenarios :) Can't wait to get my copy :)
There seems to have been an agenda on the part of the early negative reviews. Most commenters on CZcams videos have not played the game and have no idea about the positive features and gameplay. I was surprised to see Dice Tower slam the game so vehemently. I love the gameplay and the 3D terrain and the story. Terrinoth isn’t dead yet.
I live right by FFG in Minnesota. Thank you for mentioning us... and doing our accent. 😁
Elaine I greatly admire your commitment to the nap bit. A real trouper.
…Elaine…El-aine? Hello? I think she’s a sleep 😴
Absolutely lovely artwork. Stylized, modern and expressive.
Am I crazy to bring up Egon Schiele?
@@gillcaz That's a good call!
The 2D character design is really good, very expressive, as are the minis, but the 3D terrain ... well ... not so much. I don't want to call it ugly, because that would be exagerated, but it's not good.
Cool review guys! One thing was not clear to me regarding the dificulty levels, do you think it was worth scalling up the dificulty, or just ended up being a slog, artificial and not worth to do so?
I think if you're used to dungeon crawlers you should start at Heroic and see how you feel.
Great review! I guess my final concern is FFG’s history of not putting much additional content for their app-based games, but this looks like a game for me.
I love Journeys in Middle Earth but because it's Middle Earth, so the theme helps me overcome some of the clunkyness. However, as you've said the App for this is an improvement on what's come before I can see myself picking this up. Thanks as always for a great review. Also I stayed for the end of the video, and I'm glad I did!
Here in Sweden if you look at exchange rates, it costs 206 US dollars. So it's cheap in the USA lucky bastards.
Always interested in these kinds of games but didn't fit my playgroups well.
We tabled this for the first time yesterday. I picked it up secondhand for about 30% of MSRP but a scathing review from SUSD made it seem like a total bore to play to it just sat on my shelf for the last 6 months. I saw your video yesterday and we decided to give it a go. We had a fantastic time. No -it's not gloomhaven, and as someone who was utterly disappointed by gloomhaven that's fantastic. It's honestly a lot closer to what I hoped Gloomhaven would be - albeit through one quest. It's not a heavy game, but played with the right mindset there are definitely interesting tactical decisions to be made (at least on heroic difficulty - we may bump to Warfare). Given that SUSD complained heavily about the move- hit twice pattern - I'm guessing they wouldn't care much for games like Zombicide either.
The writing is simultaneously competent and terrible in the funniest way - insert Vaerix jumping into a conversation 5 minutes too late. If you want a serious dark tale with award winning novel writing, you won't find it here, but if you want to come up with ridiculous voices for each of the characters and take turns trying to voice act them all, you can have an amazingly funny time. The skill checks combine with the narrative and gear collection to really give a pretty authentic D&D-light sort of feel to everything that scratches the itch while regulating DM duties to an app so the players can focus on the game.
Despite its flaws, the app is a brilliant addition. I understand some people may have reservations but the way it handles book keeping and prevents unnecessary components like health markers is a very VERY welcome addition. I've started to loathe component overload in games, and Descent is very streamlined in that regard. It could be better if they tracked character placement in the app as well as status, but I can forgive that.
It might not crack my top 10, but it will definitely be getting more plays.
I hope that those that take the dive and try this game enjoy it as much as I have.
Great review! Thanks for addressing the bgg reviews 😉
Where is the part two to Arkham if you don’t mind me asking? Are you saving it for October? In the previous video you mentioned you had played all of it and I’m eager to see the follow up. Arkham has been a wonderful experience for us but I’m holding off purchasing anything else in case it goes downhill.
Hi I just wanted to say love your videos and that they really help with my anxiety. Thanks for all the hard work you do, all the best and hope your doing well.
What happens if we lose a scenario ? Do the game branch into another encounter or do we have to play the scenario again ?
Supposedly it changes the campaign in some way moving forward. Haven’t experienced a failed quest yet, though.
I prefer my board games to be 100% analog with just physical components. I have nothing against the app integration if the Publisher can support it forever. Also, I spend 10+ hours a day working in front of a computer, so when I play board games I want to disconnect.
My group had a break from Gloomheaven for a couple of months because some people were away, then when we returned to it no one could remember the rules properly, and It took us long to learn it even the first time, and even then we could not agree on some rules ... so we just shelved it in frustration and never played it again.... and sadly never finished it ... so I welcome the app ...
yes, like Elaine, I was eyeing a dungeon crawling adventure for my kids, with tropey characters, but interesting. The app handling a lot of the upkeep helps me engage w my kid during gameplay (accounting adventure indeed!). And I really do like changing characters between missions; that's one of the things I disliked about gloomhaven.... Thanks! In the EU, I hear its late august... This game, Iberian gauge, and carcassone 20th is all my gaming budget for 2021...
Nobody prevents you from switching characters in Gloomhaven ...
"Changes in the party makeup are fine, not only for characters, but players as well".
We played an character either until we retired him or the player get bored with it and simply created a new one.
I'm curious, how old are your kids and did they enjoy the game? 😊
Ive played the first mission so far and really like it. Already feels like an improvement on the Descent 2e, Star Wars, and Journeys in Middle Earth apps. Excited to play kore
i'm so surprised how good this game is and how well the app works! Actually the best app-boardgame!!!
My main curiosity, it seems much of the action happens on the app. How does that work with multiple players. Do you all have to crowd around one part of the table to read cut scenes and for every combat action? Do you pass the app and then one person looks at/interacts with it while everyone else waits to find out what happened? Ive never played mansions of madness or journeys in middle earth for context. Feels like I’d only want to play this solo but maybe I’m overestimating the importance of looking at the iPad?
Here my two cents. I play with a group of four people, and I’m fortunate to have a large TV hanging on the wall by my game table where we cast the app. I’m the only person in the group that interacts with the app, everyone else just plays and can see what’s going on via the TV. I will also add, that I feel that the players don’t even really need to see what is going on, you could just tell them. You really could put the app behind a GM screen and play it in the fashion of a table top RPG where the GM controls the game using the app and everyone else can experience the game without any screen interaction at all.
Thanks for the review. Re: Fantasy Flight Games. Oh come on, really? Heralding a new age of gameplay for our collections? It's a bit much guys. Big fan of Imperial Assault and classic descent sounds pretty similar to the systems you laid out. The digital terrain system as explained with trees, seems like a good way to reuse assets for different scenarios, in a way that would be less elegant and efficient with separate cards. Not sold on needing a smart device to run it tho. Love they have a great undo button. Points for that.
So if I already own Imperial Assault and Gloomhaven, does this game offer a different enough experience and I should look into it? I never played the original Descent and just know based on reviews and hearsay that "it is like Imperial Assault but fantasy instead of Star Wars".
It's definitely different than either of those, but if it's the kind of different that's right for you is something you have to figure out for yourself. We hope our video helps with that.
@@NoPunIncluded Thanks for the reply. I think I'll hold off from buying for now given the issues with difficulty you mention at the end (it is a big pricetag, although I certainly spent more on Imperial Assault expansions).
Have you in the past tried the Imperial Assault app, or only the "offline version"? My main worry is that IA+app already does something similar albeit worse, but not EUR160 worse.
From my own perspective, I'd say IA and Gloomhaven have you covered unless something in the review leaps out and makes you say "I want that!".
@@NoPunIncluded That’s very non-comital 🙃
Spend way too much time looking at an app. Especially if there is more than one person it becomes tedious reading all the text. Solo is better but then there is setup and pack away time, Umm might go play a video game.
LOVE the ending, that made me laugh. Felt like a lo-fi video, with a cute surprise.
I recall the other pre-release hate for this was because it was app-driven. I see a lot of resistance to apps in board games.
I think some of it in this case is because it looks like this could be a game you play on tablet, it really does not need all the cardboard parts at all as the app does all the work other than a few dice rolls (which it clearly could do).
About time, a sensible and well structured review. Well done 🤙
I was literally folding the laundry while watching this, so the last part felt too real, ha!
Right. I was a bit worried about the part where you say that the game is a bit perhaps to easy. Well now. 13 episodes in. I understand the joke. Well played.
It’s practically impossible on anything above normal. :/
What I keep wanting to see addressed is my suspicion that the board game half is superfluous.
That looks to be a problem with any app-driven game sadly
No joke, I finished washing out my sink right before I watched this. Loved the review, and very excited to play it!
I haven't played the game, but if it's even half as fun as this video, it's a win. :p
It's nice when the algorithm actually recommends something good for me.
Oof, the argument in the beginning about the art and its reception... was quite rough eh.
Hey! When is Arkham Horror The Card Game Part 2 coming out?!!? Great video!
In your podcast you guys said the original Descent wasn't that great. I think tastes are going to vary wildly here, and it's more than just app hesitancy or price.
Don’t get me wrong, the original descent was good, but compared to more modern dungeon crawlers like gloomhaven it just feels a bit dated. I’ve played both this game and descent 2nd edition and I feel that they’re so different that it’s honestly pretty hard to compare them. That being said, I’d way rather play this game. Also, if you look at the VAST majority of negative reviews on BGG, you’ll find that it pretty much just comes down to app hesitancy and price (from people who have not played or own the game). If it were really taste, I think you’d be hearing less gushing from people who have actually played it.
@@lilpear4333 See, Id argue that both 2nd edition and this are a trend further away from a good dungeon crawl. I was hoping this one would move further away from what 2nd edition did. Instead they kept all the bad stuff and hamfisted in the app.
I hope one day they will revisit the original, find out what made it great and then innovate. Instead they keep rehashing bad systems into more streamlined bad systems
Fantastic stuff. Would love to play but, as with many games, price tag is a bit too steep for me to punt. Thanks NPI 👍
..these cardboard items (trees desks doors) are the shit! Wish more board games would do that than go for expensive plastic set pieces...
I actually think the game itself looks fun, but all that terrain stuff and multiple levels is just too fiddly for me for a game I’ll play solo.
It’s a lot of money (for me at least) for a feature that I just am not into.
I’m hoping the will do an app based adventure for the Marvel license, I think that would be cool. I think app games are pretty great for solo.
But is it really that fiddly?
@@Raddekopp yes, for him.
Sounds like a great solo game. Using the app as a group to manage equipment and skills sounds terrible.
I assume you played it solo or with 2 people max?
We played all of it two player.
@@NoPunIncluded thanks for answer. Do you think playing it with 4 would change your opinion?
So, they took Descent 2nd Edition's Road to Legend app and fleshed it out fully? Something which turned 2nd edition Descent from being a horrible snoozefest into an enjoyable romp?
Hooray. I am glad I have this arriving in about 2 weeks time.
I was considering it but the price is very high...and I also don't like only app based games
But man it does look sexy
I like the art style, just a bit more color and less darkness. Imo makes it less geecky and more mainstream. Is this better than the second edition with app?
I won’t lie, I felt like ffg used past games as a way to learn how to refine their apps for this game. That won’t stop me from enjoying journeys in middle earth though.
I wasted a lot of time reading and watching reviews for journeys in middle earth the last few weeks. People seem to either love it or hate it with a passion...
@@Sh0cklyz if you like lord of the rings and have friends that enjoy board games you’ll have a good time with it
@@dustinchilds2378 I'm worried about the time limit in missions...
@@Sh0cklyz you can play on adventure mode and it’s not even an issue, though the game is way too easy on that mode. But in normal mode it’s not as bad as it seems. If you do lose to the time limit it’s a good excuse to play again anyway.
@@dustinchilds2378 thanks for your replies. Maybe I'll give it a shot :) i want that lotr game 😂
I was impatient to see this one. I didn't plan to buy this one at all before I heard you two talking about it on your podcast. I played my first game and really enjoyed it. Thanks!
Thoroughly enjoyed this review. Even if I never end up getting/playing the game, watching this was time well spent 😊
I get what you are saying about prejudging a game yet this is a problem on BGG all games encounter which causes the initial rating to be off (in either direction).The Witcher Old World has over 200 reviews and is eighteen months away. Heck Arydia has been in KS less than a week and it already has almost 40 reviews. Then to later dismiss all the invested fans concerns to an *ism is down right silly.
I don’t care what anyone says, the character art and design is amazing. Touch of Hades style.
jep, i don't know why people hate on it, it's awesome.
I was really not digging it at first, now I can't get enough. Can't wait for my copy to ship. :)
I think it will be cool if they eventually tie in 2nd edition with this too. They did it with Mansions of madness.
Don't ever change FFG. Fight the status quo.
Surprised you didnt mention "uses app" as chief amongst the complaints.
@@erikpeters7072 oh I have and I own Journeys. I love it. But without fail everytime an app game comess out a bunch of people complain that it uses apps. While they can just not play them.
But my big question is this - How does Descent: LOTD justify its price tag? Gloomhaven does it through having tonnes of stuff in the box and a campaign that takes hundreds of hours to get through (not including the random scenario generator.) Descent: LOTD seems of offer a fraction of that, and its more expensive. Just why is this one more than double the cost of Descent: JITD?
Based on this interview… Descent is more interesting and less boring…
I was actually cleaning out my sink while watching the video. Turns out you can do both at the same time. Mind = blown
Jokes on you! I cleaned out my sink over the weekend.
Never played a descent game and bought this. Heard nothing but negatives since. Thanks to this review I'm looking forward to playing it again.
This is the best game review I've watched. Bloody well done.
I am so glad I skimmed to the end. "MOMMY WHAT ARE YOU DOIIIIING???!!!"
This may be wlone of the best board game reviews I have ever watched! Smart and engaging throughout! Thank you!
Thanks for this review. Sounds like they fixed a lot of the issues I had with JiME. But they didn't fix the one issue that isn't their fault and that they have no control over - I just get overwhelmed with the types of decisions that exist in Dungeon crawls (e.g., should I spend an action to look at another tree...). As a solo player trying to manage several characters, that can be overwhelming and cause mental overload and anguish. But otherwise, it seems like a really great game that doesn't deserve a lot of the negative anticipatory criticism that it has been receiving.
And that’s the power of journalism
Jeeze that art. Also app based make sme think it's going to be dead in a few years. I am interested in more Descent.
Now I've got the game, I think I'm aware of which mission has the mechanisms which make little sense... involving runes and a Necromancer...?
totally!
@@NoPunIncluded Thought so! It's been the only 'dud' so far which is a shame as the overall side quest *idea* was interesting. Hopefully it gets fixed/ patched by FFG in an update... as weird a thing as that is to say about boardgames.
Best post-credits scene ever.
Wonderful vid! And my sink could use a good cleaning…😬🤣 and I will buy this game!
The B roll for this video makes the game look like a video game
It looks cool for sure and don’t really care here or there for the app - but for $180 I can’t see buying it to basically pay for the development of said app and with 3D printing options out there and how phenomenal it’s become, cardboard paper terrain seems like a beginning tier in a Kickstarter project rather than an all-in idea.
Good review 👍 👏 👌
Re why it is getting some hate, Ifeel this game has several barriers to entry. It's art style is not universally popular, it is expensive and it has an app which it seems to lean on heavily. Rating it without playing it is bonkers. Im not a fan of app based games but they are here and can be fun to play
Be sure to watch for my Kickstarter so I can buy this game. Coming soon! Oh, and great review by the way! Thanks!
The expose joke. Scathing.
Honestly I was surprised by this one after other recent reviews. I just can't see myself dealing with this one, even if it would be right up my alley otherwise. A $150 paperweight one day isn't appealing to me either.
I clean my sink every week, thank you very much.
Thanks, this game was a bit confusing to run through with my sons
This is a very, very good review not just because I needed a little confirmation bias after watching Tom Vassals Dice tower review but because its super thorough. I bought this game without even hesitating because I love dungeon crawlers, fantasy flight and app driven games. I like games essentially. But when I heard this was mansions of madness meets journeys in middle earth with a much more developed app I was pretty much "Yes please". I haven't played the game yet its still sitting on my shelf but my wife and I are very stoked after watching your review and washing away that Dice Tower review taste ie; tell me what i want to hear. Thank you. I am little discouraged by that bit surrounding the rules at the end. It's all small potatoes to me I look forward to playing thanks again for the review. PS: I like the art alot I dont get the haters at all on that.
I am too heavily invested in Shadows of Brimstone to buy into another dungeon crawler.
If "Fantasy Flight Games" continues to develop its story based implementation then eventually you get "Fighting Fantasy" books with advanced rules. Ild rather pay for the full book and get more story than piece meal pay for it's individual chapters.
so i fail to see where the pricepoint comes from, its a bloody expensive for...3d terrain?..
I'm sure they paid a hefty price to get the app designed and built, so that would be part of the price as well. Along with the MUCH better minis included
@@NYColts18 that's nice, but the gameplay has to be on par with gloomhaven to justify that price and it just doesn't seem that way
@@abnercliff9624 Gloomhaven is so massive to introduce though and so much clatter with cards. And like she said "they are adding crafts" etc with Gloomhaven and when tried this game with the app, the thought of having all that on cards on the table instead is not a nice thought. So i think gameplay here will be better than Gloomhaven.
@@abnercliff9624 gameplay on par with Gloomhaven is subjective. I own this, and GH. To me, GH is too massive, too big, so I never even pull it out. Descent, on the other hand, I've played multiple times already. So, I feel I'm getting a much better ROI with Descent, even at the higher price.
Not sure whether this is a board games or video games review
This was charming, made me smile and chuckle. ☺️
As a Minnesotan I resent this review! :)
But politely, right?
Go walk around the skywalk 😋
Skyway, but I appreciate your enthusiasm.
@@alexlupella7089 Oh no I was living a lie for years thinking it was called different. But its still a really cool idea and impressed me more than the mall of america
That’s the correct feeling. Walking around downtown without touching the street is far superior to the big shoppy building.
i love gloomhaven and too many bones. so i should buy descent :D
I think it's the same quality of game as the other two, but it's not necessarily for the same audiences. I encourage you to make your purchasing decisions based on whether it sounds like it's a game for you.
@@NoPunIncluded yeah, its a game for me. buy, play through, sell. i love it :D
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I honestly though all this time that the hate bombing on BGG was because they were forcing an app on a game that previously didn't needed it.
Is the sexist hate on the game like... a thing? I'm on reddit and BGG a couple hours a day and i honestly haven't even seen that thing mentioned.
It's even the first time i even know that the designer is a woman.
You know, people aren't exactly overt about this stuff. Nobody says "I hate this game because I hate women!" No one would pay attention. Therefore it would be ridiculous to assume that everyone who dislikes the look of this game (I say look because so far so few people played it), dislikes it for nasty reasons.
But, you have to look at the disproportional amount of ire and anger at a game that seems cool and fun? Like, what's up? No one stated reason holds up because there's literally hundreds of examples in the past of these things not being issues.
@@NoPunIncluded The internet is full of anonymous sexism/racism so i don't discard the possibility. Let's not forget the incredibly stupid Frosthaven controversy.
And i know we've seen that hate in a lot of other products. We don't need to go that far, Masters of the Universe was universally hated for that exact same reason.
What i'm trying to say is that maybe for me it was more obvious in those other examples (Masters of the universe, Star Wars, etc), but i don't discard that could be a reason, even though i think that the implementation of an obligatory app on a game that didn't have one it's one of the main reasons.
I don't get the hate for the art, though. Looks amazing.
LOTR: Journeys (which is definitely a precursor to this game) is not playable without the app and is ranked #91 game of all time on BGG. Go figure.
@@NoPunIncluded Also apparently Destinies has been well received? The difference (i think) it's that Descent already had a huge fanbase.
I don't think it's a 'PEOPLE HATE APPS ON GAMES', it's more of a 'I WANT THE SAME THING' (not saying that's a good mentality).
If they made another Arcadia Quest with an obligatory app i guess the fanbase would be very vocal.
Maybe not, IDK. I don't care about apps in games, i liked Mansions of Madness, but I know i would be very pissed if the third edition of Age of Steam needed an app to be functional, giving an example of a game i consider myself a fan.
@@crushingit5128 I dunno, to me it feels pretty low brow that a bunch of guys are being very offended that they were told off for bombarding a game with negative scores. Like, who are you defending here? Overall, we made one innocuous wink and to be all up in arms about it says a lot about the response.
I think the App that plays the game was meant for Solo play…. Cause I can’t recommend using it alongside this board game when your playing with friends.