Relaunching The Gemini 12 Part 3
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- On the second shoot in Red Rock Canyon , Paul and the crew spend a day setting up the Gemini 12 crash. Despite their careful planning, the logistics of the desert location fight back and it's touch and go whether the filming will proceed after the Gemini 12 replica is almost destroyed.
Okay, I'm going to sound a little childish here, but this is probably the coolest fan video ever made!!! Kudos to all of you for your hard work and dedication, and for everything you put into this just to give us original LIS fans a huge thrill! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!
Thanks for the kind words. Keep it childish and it will keep you young!
Photography being one of my passions, I was transfixed. The original early shows were a visual landmark for early tv, that demanded pure craftsmanship on tight budgets and schedules.
@@robvangessel3766 Irwin Allen was lucky to have the talents of Howard Lydecker available for his special effects.
@@gemini12channel58 And bolstered by music from John Williams.
@@gemini12channel58 When LIS or Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea episodes were good from any writing standpoint, it was in spite of Irwin Allen not because of. Just wanted to get that in there.
WHAT A THRILL!
10:14 takes me back to that excitement of watching the original scene as a kid💯
Huge respect to you guys for your dedication to completing this amazing project❤🔥
If you liked that footage, then JUST WAIT until you see the "Effects Reel" Glen and I are currently working on!!
WOW! I am blown away by this three part video! My deepest THANKS!! Frankly I have never seen such precision, devotion and dedication to a mission (control) such as this one. My absolute credit to you all !! Needless to say I am a huge Lost In Space fan since I was a kid. To add some perspective, my silver Jeep Commander is named "Chariot" :) Boy did I thoroughly enjoy this, I will Subscribe and pass to my friends who will also be thrilled to bits. Blessings to each and every one of you! Cheers, Mark, Australia
Thanks, Mark. The Australian fans have always been some of the biggest LIS supporters.
This is truly fantastic.The original crash sequence stands up very well to this day and your footage is a great salute to the original crew. You did studio quality work without a studio budget. The multi camera approach was super!
You guys are absolute legends! I can't even begin to explain how thrilling that was between the tears and the chills - awesome! Pure genius to put a camera inside the model. Way better than I'd hoped or expected. Just beautiful! Thank you!
Thanks for the kind words, Brian. We made this for fans like you.
@@gemini12channel58 Guys...you already know that I love your work, your professionalism and dedication. The Lydecker brothers and L.B. Abbott would have been happy to see what you accomplished. BTW, is there any chance you can digitally paint out the wires? That would be awesome because your footage would even be better than the original!
@@tripsadelica Yes, we could easily use digital tools to remove the wires but that would give us an unfair advantage over Mr. Lydecker. Thank you for the comments.
Just. Plain. Brilliant. I can't thank you guys enough for expending your time and energy to create this remarkable trilogy! It's breathtaking to see the Gemini XII fly again. Bravo!
Haselius you too should be acclaimed for your wonderful work modernizing the design of the Jupiter Two for the 21st century.
From your newly designed Space Pod launch pad to the Chariot ramp and the ultra cool elevator ramp for the Robot, your designs were truly inspirational. I still keep one of your designs as my screensaver with no intention to change it ever.
All 3 parts are absolutely amazing. I admire your dedication, professionalism and enthusiasm in this. It looked like a very fun, educational and exhausting experience. But what beautiful results. It Looks Outstanding! Congratulations and Thank You, to All Of You Involved, for continuing to make "Lost in Space" fans as Excited and Youthfully Enthusiastic as we were the first time we saw the ship crash land.
BRAVO GENTLEMEN!
Aw shucks Mark, --- I'm still not sure whether or not you liked it or not! (Just kidding) Many thanks. Glen and I are making progress on the "Effects Reel". If you liked these 3, then..........
@@paullubliner6221 I can't wait! Even your preview reels for each part were intense! So glad I saw this today. It made me feel like a kid again...with chills up the neck and all! I don't know how I missed this 8 months ago!?
@@marklafrance8141 Sorry for the delay but please realize the Covid lock-downs and my own extreme laziness are both factors here.
@@marklafrance8141 I felt the same as you! Just watching this brought back many memories of growing up in the 1960s. We were so lucky!
Watching the last shot with the silhouette of the ship gave me goose bumps. The side, wide angle shots were amazing. The gopro interior shots were really cool. Thanks guys for all your hard work. CGI can never replace real life.
Right, seeing that ship glide along, casting its shadow was stunning!
Knowing Mike Myers through his page it made me smile seeing his contributions to the effort. I applaude everyone involved. Watching all four videos was a great experience
MARK Myers John! And sincere thanks!!
Guys this was utterly captivating. Like so many of us I was enchanted by Lost in Space as a child and I cant tell you how many times I drew and painted this scene. It is still on my bucket list to visit the Trona Pinnacles but if it doesn't happen in this life time I've at least experienced it through your passionate adventure. On that first run down the wires I welled up with tears. Thank you.
Rob...I appreciate your sentiments. As we made the documentary the thought of pleasing the fans was what we hoped would result.
I, and many others, THANK YOU SO MUCH for all the work, blood, sweat, and tears that you put into this!!! This may have been your own “labor of love”, but speaking for myself, (and assuming for many other fans), this was so cool, and gives an even greater appreciation for the effort put into the original!!
Aw shucks Geezer....
Lost in Space is a big part of my childhood memories. I still like the season 1 episodes and sometimes still daydream of the Jupiter 2. Thank you for all your work in producing this.
you are most welcome, and........ there's MORE to come.
Cant wait Paul!!.....
FANTASTIC!! I'm 12 years old again. GREAT idea using the Go-Pro for the point of view shot. GREAT JOB GENTLEMEN!!!
To me 8:27 was the "money shot" on the original. Seeing the ship coming out of the smoke/fog was so realistic I never forgot it. Still has that effect on me.
Oh my goodness!! That was awesome!!! Looked just like it did 55 years ago!! Thank you for posting this amazing recreation of those iconic scenes and going through all the crazy efforts to make it happen!! Really amazing work and great job!!!
Thank you for everything you have done from saving and restoring the Gemini 12 and now the recreation of the original crash scene from the pilot. I like many of people commenting watched the show as a kid in the 60’s.
You're very welcome Steve.
A great video recreation of my favorite shot of the series. I first saw it in the series previews and it had me hooked.
Wow you guys did it! Recreating a famous shot from the series. Now a Fourth video is needed showing all shots recorded. :)
Cant wait ...... !!
This is a great tribute to the show! Your dedication & hard work in recreating a great filming moment paid off. I've never been a fan of the series, more of a Star Trek fan myself, but I can appreciate the love & commitment of it's many fans. The models & full-scale props (like the ship, the chariot & robot) are of special interest to me. That kind of forward thinking made the shows of that era more believable. Congratulations on your filming, you've earned a nap.
Lol a nap. THAT was not permitted on location!
---Both Glen and I are personally in agreement with your prioritizations as listed above.
Oh thank you, thank you! I visited LA from Australia in 2013 but no rental car company would let me drive to the canyon as I wanted to do as a die-hard LIS fan. This video series has just been superb and brought back many childhood memories and wishes. I salute you all. You have made an old guy very happy this day...thank you from the bottom of my heart!
Oh, I say you should have driven out there anyway, can you believe we've come to have so many freaking rules!?
@@donaldstanfield8862 Yes...rules abound, unfortunately. I was worried that had I driven out there and had an accident then the insurance company would have said, "Bye, bye!"
Thank you for this delightful series. Love what you did. Appreciate all your hard work.
I went out to Red Rock Park today and visited this site. It was great fun to see (and climb around on) this xenomorphic landscape.
I’ll share the delight and pure enthusiasm that others seem to feel watching this. What a fantastic and unexpected gift this CZcams series has become at this stage in life. The very first time I saw the Jupiter fly over those rocks I was five years old. I cannot thank you enough for what you have done and that you are sharing it with the world. I think the complete thrill of seeing the landscape from inside the model really drove home how iconic the original was, because no such type of shot in 1965 could have been done as you mentioned. I am a kid again!!
Fantastic project! Really enjoyed seeing how the original Gemini shots were created! Thanks for sharing the fun and fantasy of Irwin Allen's timeless work!
Certainly the work that Lydecker and the L.B. Abbot team did 50 years ago is worthy of admiration. But it is even more commendable that you and your collaborators have achieved this reconstruction, with sheer effort and without anyone to finance it. Wow! this is magnificent!
Thank you, Daniel. Paul and I are glad to hear feedback from fans of LOST IN SPACE like you.
Damn that was awesome - wish I had been there with you broz - I had seen Davids vid years earlier and glad he got the chance to participate in this historic recreation... and you beat Covid by a week to boot. Awesome stuff!
This was absolutely fascinating, and truly, a labor of love...Your persistance and attention to minute details are breathtaking...I remember watching LIS as a child...You all are testament to the fact that "If you do something, do it right"...Your re-creation belongs in the Smithsonian for technical and and non-technical resourcefulness....Thank you all soooooo much for returning me back to my childhood, though it be only a short time....BRAVO!!!
Ray, thank you very much for your thoughts. This effort of ours does give the uninitiated an idea as to the level of work involved in creating "Practical Special Effects" where miniatures are effectively used. If you closely examine the moving shadows the ship creates over the rock outcroppings, you'll realize images as these are usually avoided with CGI effects. They'd simply be cost prohibitive. That said, Glen and I are still at work on a complete "Effects Reel". It will incorporate some of the scenes seen here and much, much more. I am confident you'll be quite pleased.
This is such a cool project. Thank you for taking this on. What a classic recreation
Thanks, Christopher!
awesome, thanks for all the work you guys went thru, it was perfect
Thank You All for this recreation - it was a real enjoyment I still enjoy this series and own the dvds, it was a wonderful Series.
Thank you for your very kind words Bernie.
Glen and I are hard at work at and on that promised "Effects Reel" and I must immodestly say, ---it's shaping up very, VERY well! I do believe most fans will to be "wowed" and truly pleased with what we're coming up with.
Last week as you recall, we left Paul, Glen & Adam in the desert working to replicate the famous Gemini 12 crash scene. Unaware that even now unforeseen forces were attempting to curtail their recreational recreation...... Bravo!!! Bravo!!! It's like I'm a little kid all over again!!!!
That is brilliant, Johnnie. Wish I'd thought of it myself when editing Part 3. Thank you for the kind comments.
@@gemini12channel58 Cool, thank you! Love your videos.
Just brilliant, as good as it was all those years ago. No computer graphics, no enhanced effects, just brilliant photography and a genuine, fantastic model. That’s as real as it gets.👍.
I do like the Netflix series, but nothing they’ve done recreates the excitement of that ship and it’s design....it is the traditional “flying saucer” as was noted in “Visit to a hostile planet”
Amazing!! Such a great tribute to LIS and the Lydeckers! Thanks to all of you for all your hard work, can't wait to see the finished video.
Absolutely brilliant! The 8yo child within the 62yo man got a thrill to see that footage recreated! Well done to all!
Thank you Marc.
---Glen and I are just now getting back onto that "Effects Reel" mentioned in these videos as only a few weeks ago I provided him with a fully functional and absolutely to-scale, teeny-weeny "Gemini 12" filming miniature (similar to what's seen at the end of "Part 1" in this series.) This is to be used for medium and long shots "WAY Out there in 'Outer Space'," (meaning his garage and driveway!)
This really brought a smile to my face. I was amazed to learn that all those different shots of the ship over the planet were from the same setup only with different camera angles.
It really was an incredible location and there are still more views that were never used, such as from behind the descending ship.
@@paullubliner6221 I'd like to see those too! Maybe for a part 4.
I wish I could have been there to watch you do this. LIS was my favorite show as a kid, and the crash scene was the highlight of the entire series. I used to count down the days until I could watch this scene over again. I would never miss this episode. Thanks for doing such an excellent job. I really admire how you put the GO-PRO inside the model.
Thanks for that John. Please do realize, with this 3 part video, in effect you are right there with us!
The ship itself is a very light weight, ultra-strong carbon fiber/epoxy exact duplicate of the original miniature that I'd restored several years ago. (See: "Restoring the Gemini 12" if you haven't as yet.)
Just as with the original filmed miniature, the ship is a thin shell and quite open inside. Glen simply located the standard GoPro camera mount with double stick adhesive already applied, to the floor of the interior, right behind the center window and then operated it remotely by using his smart phone. As there is absolutely no cell service in Red Rock Canyon, it was a bit touch and go but as always, Glen came through and recorded the video you see here.
55 years, and I still love Lost In Space.
There is nothing I could say that hasn't already been said. ....but I'll try. Thank you for your dedication. hard work and talent bringing the Ol Space camper back to life. Your new footage was breathtaking, absolutely wonderful.
Andy...your words are appreciated. Thanks!
Now THIS is "Reality TV"! Loved the alternate shots. I wish these could be intercut into the original pilot! Thank you for all the effort you put into this, it was spellbinding.
Glen and I are still working on an "Effects Reel" (slowed due to well, ....you know!) If you liked this video, I'm reasonably sure that you'll love that.
Can't wait! I'll be up watching! Central time!
Gentlemen and Lady, Thanks and congratulations on this excellent relaunching of the Gemini 12. You did an outstanding job and the relaunch looked exactly as the television original minus the smoke and visible wires. As a child, I was a real fan of Lost in Space, and fortunately; I never grew up! :-)
Thank you very much for that Ken! You will have to wait in a little longer as Glen and I are preparing an "Effects Reel" of the R.R.C. footage that Glen shot, (smoke included!) ...as well as drone footage he took at the Trona Pinnacles and much, MUCH more!
I'm sure it will be phenomenal...cant wait!!
Who didn't tear up at the money shot - takes one back to being a pre-teen scifi fan. Well done gentlemen!! Thanks Paul!
Thank you for the kind words, Bill.
Thank you Bill.
This has got to be the coolest thing EVER. My feelings echo all the comments on here. BRAVO to all who were involved in bringing back an iconic scene from our youth. Just love it all!!!!!
Thanks for the kind words!
@@gemini12channel58 you are welcomed! So deserved!
That looked amazing. The amount of effort for a few seconds of footage is unbelievable but totally worth it. Congratulations.
I enjoyed your restoration video and these three very much, but I got chills and choked up when I saw your final recreation footage. I didn't expect that. Thanks so much for all of this.
Thank you Ben. Also, there's more to come on that recreation footage.
I don't even know where to begin with my praise! An absolutely stunning achievement, you managed to recreate the way the future used to be. Very clearly a lot of time, resources, effort, and deep personal care went into this whole effort. When I recover from the sheer awe I am experiencing having watched this, I will add more coherent commentary. Meantime a very big THANK YOU, for this amazing effort and result!
Thank you, Paul. Much appreciated!
Well, uh, um, Thank You ...... BUT, ----We're not done.
Bravo, I admire your efforts to recreate this classic scene!
AMAZING. I ALWAYS THOUGHT THE CRASH SCENE WAS ONE OF THE BEST SCENES OF THE SERIES. GREAT JOB GUYS.
Just wait........
Thanks so much for all the hard work that made up these videos, and the restoration of the model. When I was very young, my mother wouldn’t allow me to watch the show. I think she assumed it would give me nightmares. When I was in my early 20’s, I had the unexpected shock of meeting Bill Mumy. I worked for his brother in law for a nu,ver of years, and was unaware of their connection until Bill visited where I worked. He was always very kind to me, I think in part because I didn’t pester him about “what was it like” stories. One visit he asked if I still watched the show. I told him since I didn’t have cable, I sadly hadnt seen it in a number of years. He asked what my favorite episode was, “Visit to a Hostile Planet”. I liked it because it shows a full mock-up of the ship, resting on its landing gear in outside lighting. A few months after his question, a package arrived at my house. Inside was an 8x10 autographed photo, and a VHS tape he dubbed for me which included my favorite episode, his favorite episode, and the pilot. The sticker on the tape was in his handwriting as well. After I moved on and switched to a new job, we lost contact. I still have his phone number, and address in an old day planner. I’ll always be a fan of the show, and always be grateful that I got to meet, and know my childhood hero. It was always a surreal thing for me whenever he came into town, walked into our business, and he’d say “hey John, it’s good to see you again”. I once told my mother about all of this, and her blocking me seeing LIS, of course she had no memory of what it was or why I couldn’t watch it. Again, thanks for this. Does anyone know what happened to the full sized version that was shot in a parking lot?
Thanks for the review and memories of Bill Mumy. He's quite a guy! To answer your question about the full-size mockup...it survived for a short while after the series ended. A large section was cut into the lower hull that allowed a small car to emerge for the pilot presentation of MAN FROM THE 25th CENTURY. After that, weather was taking its toll and Fox dismantled the ship.
@@gemini12channel58 thanks for the info. I always wondered whatever happened to it, because I’m sure it couldn’t have been cheap. Another pinch myself moment involving Bill was once when he was in town, he was kind enough to offer me an afternoon with him. He was in town for a comic book convention. He shocked me by asking if I could join him for the day on Sunday. He wanted me to come to the Ritz Carlton where he was staying, join him for lunch, then travel with him in the limousine the convention was sending for him. He said I could hang out checking out vendors, watch while he gave out autographs, then listen to the talk he gave. I was very flattered, and really wanted to go, but my employer said “no” since I was scheduled to work a party that day. He was also a bit jealous of Bill and his sister, and really didn’t want me to be too chummy with them. It would have been a dream come true for me, but wasn’t meant to happen I guess. Having contact with him a few times a year was enough, and the fact that he told me if I was ever in LA, to call them and we’d have dinner. Just an all around nice guy.
I have just found this wonderful video, thank you all for such a professional production. It still amazes me when a group of talented people combine their skills and knowledge to give us this fantastic insight on a show I still love.
GLAD you liked it!
I am speechless, thankful and touched that you guys put such painstaking care into this television event that I (as you all) held so dear throughout the decades! God Bless You and thank you ! Incredible , thoughtful and perfect!
Aw shucks!
Omg, this is superb and gave me goose bumps! I was the bigest fan of this show ans I still am. I have my own Jupiter 2 working model I built!
Loved Part 3. Thanks for sharing!
I dig what you did here.You passion and commitment to detail is inspiring to witness. Well done men.
Thank you!
I find my inner nerd reawakened. Perhaps this will get me more motivated to actually build my Polar Lights1998 J2 Model. I painted the outside shell and stopped for various reasons. Everything is still in the box so all I need to do is continue where I left off. Nothing like the dedication you fellows have. It was thrilling to watch!
So fantastic to see this again! You guys are absolutely amazing and thank you so much for sharing the story of this extraordinary re-creation!
Wow... that final shot where the Gemini was coming down past the tip of that rock with the Sun behind it was identical to the original show when I first saw it! It's amazing how Paul and his incredible crew of technicians were able to duplicate it so perfectly!
"THEY?" WHO, is "they"?
@@paullubliner6221 You and all your buddies.. I usually don't post comments directly to the uploader.. You don't know if it's a 3rd party upload, or if the original creator is even going to see it. Mine are always directed at the gang that's in here and all commenting together.. Sorry. You know, for a video from 3 years ago you jumped on that comment real quick..lol
@@John_Michael2000 "Buddies", BUDDIES"??? I don't have no stinking Buddies!
@@John_Michael2000 "You know, for a video from 3 years ago you jumped on that comment real quick.." THAT's because Glen and I are still working on the effects reel.
@@paullubliner6221 Easy there Gold Hat..
Great job, thanks.
I figured you had all the proper permits but I was still waiting for a ranger to show up and say “what the heck are you guys doing” 😂
Actually, at 7:00am, Ranger McLaughlan watched us unload all of the equipment at the site's parking lot.
These videos have been so much fun to watch. Congratulations on a successful flight!
I got goosebumps when your edit started to roll with sound fx. You guys are crazy, in a good way!
This was the best I remember being a small boy and watching LIS first run on a tv I had in my room.
This is a nostalgic trip through the past of the late 70s and early 80s when I was making my science fiction Epics. Very few of which survive to the present day. I wish I had actually managed to con the film studies instructor at the community college into letting our class stage a Space Opera..
Major Kudos to you for a great documentary about this shoot. I was in 6th grade when LiS began.
OMG!!! Great job. Watching this made me feel like kid..hehehe. Love it. Kudos to you and your crew.
Great job guys.. Wow incredible work. I say thank you from a longtime LIS fan.. ME and everyone who enjoys Lost in Space.
Wow ! Simply incredible. Many,many thanks to everyone involved with the project. Your dedication and passion for the project,really shows through.
And TALENT AND EXPERTISE!!!!!
OMG! That recreation looked so damn good! It gave me goosebumps and had me smiling like a kid, again!
Thanks very much for writing that! I can say with absolute assurance, that you'll really get some real goosebumps when you see the finished effects reel!
Oh, my god that had the hair on my head stand up. It was an out standing piece of work. Congrats to all that worked on it.
Thanks! We are fans who did this for fans.
Really. You should have seen it happen from the perspective of the top Lydecker rig!
WOW Amazing. Thank you doing all of this for ALL the FANS.
Thanks for the 'thumbs up.'
I just discovered this channel and have completely enjoyed watching your hard work… Congratulations guys!
Much appreciated!
You all did an excellent job.
This was simply wonderful. I loved the various shots if the ship flying through the canyon. It just looked perfect. Thank you for your efforts and sharing the results. They've made me very happy 😊
Peter...thank you for your kind words.
@@gemini12channel58 Much appreciated!
That was so awesome I was hoping that this would be done by someone you guys hit the nail on the head I got goosebumps just watching this recreation! Thank you so much for your time and prep work on this video! Nicely done!
Thanks, Tim!
I must also give kudos for all your hard work and dedication to reproducing this memorable scene! I remember watching the original footage and this is just too cool! Interesting to note is the glow produced by the fusion drive. Fission, used in atomic bombs, cracks the nucleus and produces heavy radiation, thus requiring shielding. But fusion only strips away the electrons, thus providing clean power without the heavy shielding. UFO's use a magnetic drive powered by a small fusion reactor in their base that produces a magnetic field, or bubble around the crafts to manipulate gravity. They no longer think in terms of speed, but in warping time. Thus, the glow. A little info from Bob Lasar from Skunkworks.
The inscrutable "Bob Laser", oh yeah ...him. Totally believable, (ahem).
@@paullubliner6221 Feds smeared his name and erased him from records since he told us what he learned. And he isn't the only one with that info. They've been back engineering them since 1947. Each guy didn't know what the other was working on.
Amazing work guys!...brought back some fond memories!
Thank you so much Mr Lubliner and partners for all efforts to presents this to us , normal fans lol... Guys are over the top. Regards from Brazil.
Thank you as well!
Couldn’t stop smiling ,can’t thank you enough !
What a miracle you got this done before the lockdown!
Those shots brought goosebumps, how eerie it looks passing over that alien landscape!
Thank goodness Adam was able to catch and save the ship, what a heart-stopping moment!
The results are stunning!
Unbelievable job on the restoration of the ship, as well, will it go to a museum where it will be properly looked after?
Thanks for the kind words. The ship created for "Relaunching" remains in Paul's possession for another video he is planning. The original Gemini 12 from "Restoring the Gemini 12" is in Andre's private collection. No plans yet for a public display.
Well done job guys! The GoPro really added to the overall realism!
That was Glen's solution to the Park Authorities legally preventing us from using a fly-along drone for really new and exciting footage.
Incredible gentlemen! Thank you so much for your dedication, hard work and effort! It was incredible to see the Gemini fly again! Gave me tingles! Thank you!
Absolutely awesome and without a doubt the most amazing and inspiring work l have ever seen .That scene was etched into my mind back in the day and still looks incredible today . Thanks guys
Appreciate the kind words, Wayne.
Thank you and you are most welcome!
Amazing and enjoyable. Thanks so much for sharing your recreation with us.
It ain't ovah until its ovah! Maw is in da woiks!
I AGREE. Great scenes that can be used in the Lost in Space classic episodes! Pure Magic!
We aren't done just yet!
Fantastic work and amazing results! I've always admired the model work in the original LIS - and what you've shown here is just how truly difficult it is to get those great, iconic FX shots. I especially enjoyed hearing about all the setbacks along the way, and how you were able to overcome each one. Bravo! As a followup, perhaps consider designing a similar recreation of the Flying Sub from VTTBOTS. I believe the Lydecker Bros were involved with many of those FX shots as well. Please carry on, and thanks for keeping the Gemini 12 alive!
Thanks, mxbishop. I like the idea of the Flying Sub re-creation.
That would require someone who has molds of the 18" and 36" original FS1 wooden patterns to make castings from those molds! (Ahem....)
The new FX generation has no idea the time, effort, and sometimes hardships faced by the FX people of the past... Outstanding job!
Actually... most do understand and truly realize the efforts that were made with the limited technology of the time. I'd say MOST FX people today and in the recent past have been in love with SFX since before Lost in Space... and sincerely appreciate how these FX were accomplished.
I don't think it's fair to phrase it quite that way. Even if they don't go about the special effects the same way, that doesn't mean they don't take a lot of time, effort, and hardships themselves. Look at the work done on the Marvel films and how much of it was not greenscreen. Look at the work it takes to make a convincing CGI model. It's not easy to do, and takes a different way of thinking about solving the problem.
@@davidwilliams2649 David, I am sorry but "AKA Arthur" in an objective reality is correct. Most people have no idea how special effects are or were done, ...nor do they care. They only wish to be entertained. Only a few are sincerely interested in learning the techniques. One is limited to personally speaking for one's self only, and that does appear to be the case with your comment.
@@millenniumf1138 For a few days I have been debating whether or not to respond to your comment above. I now feel it does need to be addressed.
Regarding your response to "AKA Arthur's" comment:
"I don't think it's fair...."? I would say he's correct as I have long worked with both disciplines or approaches, while it is clear you are becoming a bit defensive by and with the viewing of this video.
It seems you in some way feel you've been personally slighted by Arthur's comment regarding CGI. You really shouldn't feel that way, you truly do not have a "dog in his fight". You're attempting to defend what in reality is indefensible. It is after all the final results that matter.
I have much experience with both computer generated rendering/imaging and 3D programing and actual museum level quality model-making. For reasons you seem to be unaware of, the latter hand-made way is far more difficult than the case with simple CGI. But as seen with this good resolution video (and especially so with what's to come) the results of this method are easily seen as "superior".
As a good example of this superior "resolution", or simply detail for lack of a better descriptive, kindly view in this video 6:35-6:38. The intricacies of the natural sandstone rock outcroppings of Red Rock Canyon, both behind the ship and to the right of Adam, very much do in reality make this scene appear to depict a "Giant" (Adam) grasping a real "Flying Saucer". The cost of depicting such imagery with exceedingly intricate rock details as here, had been done with CGI, the costs of such work are simply put, financially impossible. Further, the shadows cast by the use of our miniature over such rock detail is part of what makes our Red Rock Canyon scene so visually impactful. Have you any concept of the how and actual "why" it would be financially impossible to generate accurate shadows passing over this terrain using a computer generated surfaced rock structure as this? To attempt to do so is quite hopeless as "time is money".
The genuinely BEST way to do this sort of thing in CAD is to first procure a "perfect" physical model of what you are depicting and then 3D scanning it, just as I've done with the original Gemini 12 and many other items and then rendering all as a set of "computer files". This ship's profile or cross section (provided you have in your possession the cross section contour) was rendered as a mathematical "Function". One very simply revolves this function about the vertical or "Z Axis" and ---POOF! You have your ship's outer hull, perfectly (with no asymmetry!) rendered in CAD. Simplicity itself, yes.
BUT that's not so easy with the outright "generation" in CAD of subjects comprised of compound curves. Please note the "Seaview" seen in the background of Part 2 of this video trilogy (Part 2 at 5:17) and a while thereafter. This miniature is a fiberglass/epoxy casting I made from the original wood and plaster four foot Seaview approval model/pattern I'd earlier restored that was originally created for the 1961 feature film "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea". This then is a real and original Seaview. It's an epoxy/fiberglass casting that I'd made after I had first fully restored the badly damaged wood and plaster original piece. This series of castings was then finished to a museum-quality standard; with all of the glaring asymmetry corrected to "Camera Side", with an accurate and orthographic laying out of the front observation nose windows, and the overall even fit of the deck to the hull, a blending of the engine nacelle fronts and a smooooth finish that is evident in this video. No lumps, no bumps. Now, I'd like you to try to accurately generate this subject in CAD ...but without any scanned references! It simply cannot be done. What you'd end up with is exactly what's available out there with all the many model kits of this subject that are considerably less than accurate (perhaps to a "caricature" level) and to my mind, considerably less than what I personally find "satisfying".
In feature films, entirely Computer Generated Imaging, or "CGI" for generating "Special Effects" imagery, are genuinely little more than computer cartooning. There's an inherent lack of visual detail, inaccurate form and contour as all must be simplified to render as a set of CAD files as demonstrated by the "Seaview" example above. Without a scanned, accurate master pattern, to include such accurate shapes and detail would be cost prohibitive, even during the "Studio Era's Epic Film" budgets.
----As a result, most if not all cartoon characters (and space ships!) are first hand-sculpted and then scanned into the computer for feature length CGI animation for this very reason.
And then there's that other give-away of CGI: that of a lack of plausible INERTIA. This interpretation of the laws of physics is too often not understood by studio animators as well as the directors and is all too often outright ignored with much CGI "special effects". Conversely, by "Overcranking" of the camera during miniature effects recording, this inertia occurs naturally when the playback speed is sufficiently s l o w e d to the correct scale.
In summation, this visual shortfall of CGI "models" and their poor resolution when coupled with the all too often appearance of: "...With the Mass of Styrofoam" as seen with such depictions throughout many feature films is now wearing thin with audiences. For example, those very Marvel Comic Films you specifically mentioned, truth be told, they outright bore me and it now appears many others as well as much of the movie going audience garnering a ticket sales or streaming subscriptions are down resulting in an increase of "Box Office failure". That's in part also due to the lack of any substantial story line with a total dependence on this "Jimmy Neutron" type of animation.
Lastly, regarding your comment of a "Different Way Of Thinking" ---that is how ALL sculptors visualize and think. Bona-Fide model-makers as well, because, THEY HAVE TO! It would appear that it is you who isn't used to this. THAT is where most if not all "CGI-only" people are at a distinct disadvantage and I'd say why you're feeling defensive here.
Over the decades, I've had to teach a good number of guys who up to that point had only worked in CAD, exactly HOW to see in their"Minds Eye" three dimensionally and therefore become able to create realistic appearing surface contours and forms, rendered as "IGES" (old spelling) files by using NURBS (Non Uniform Rationalized Baseline Splines) and more importantly, with a minimum of effort. I was and am personally paying out of pocket for this work so believe me here, I can talk!
---With the above 45 years of my own 3D injection mold plastic tool design, starting way back in the Pantograph Milling Machine era of the mid-1970's and right up to the latest in CAD/CNC programs, and even more years of sculpting, your comment is somewhat limited in scope.
Leave it suffice to say, the current trend in feature film effects is a (welcomed) return to well made "Practical Miniatures" (those which actually operate as here with a spinning radar and Fusion Core) which are then not simply scanned, but video recorded in 4K (exactly as we have done here) or even in 8K, with further manipulation in the computer using programs such as "Adobe 'After Effects'," in order to achieve the desired results. An only manipulated, computer-model is no longer "Good Enough" as audiences have become more sophisticated over time.
And this is precisely where Glen and I are now are. We're well into doing just this later approach for the (elsewhere) mentioned follow-up "Effects Reel" of this his and my Red Rock Canyon shoot as well as much as yet unseen footage we are now titling: "The Journey of the Gemini 12", which will be, "coming soon".
@@paullubliner6221 First, I wanted to apologize for not leaving a positive comment before about your work here. Not only did you guys pull off an incredible shot that looked beautiful on screen, but you replicated something from the 60's on modern cameras that showed how real the shots could look! Honestly, if I had the means that you guys had and friends willing or capable of helping me out with it, I'd love to tackle something like this, maybe using a homemade Dykstraflex camera to film a Star Wars-style dogfight. I did watch Lost in Space when I was really young, but my real passion is Star Wars, so something like that would be more my speed.
I also didn't mean to leave the impression that I was advocating for completely replacing physical miniatures and props with CGI ones. Seriously, one of the biggest mistakes of the 90's was the push to replace model and prop shops with computer rooms full of people who study animation but not how physical props behave. Nobody can tell me the creature effects from that decade look good, and many of the starship scenes that were all CGI looked awful, and continue to look bad even in recent films. So many useless, eye-candy CGI stuff from the 90's is so hard to look at. Take the stuff from the unfortunate Lost in Space remake in 1999, a film I am *entirely* certain you despise as much as I do. The awful CGI used to make the collapsible spacesuits, the creature effects, and the unconvincing scenery shots would have doomed that movie even if the story and acting had been good.
My point in that comment is that CGI artists are often given too little credit for the *good* work they do. You're obviously not one of the people who don't appreciate it, because you not only have more experience in the industry than I've been alive, but you can "walk the walk". I mean, clearly looking at the effects you created on a shoestring budget to get the Gemini 12 crash sequence made tells me that you have plenty of clout to talk about this subject knowledgeably, even without the informative and interesting response you gave above.
I wasn't really directing what I said at you. I was addressing the lack of credit given to people who accomplish really good effects by using CGI and blending it with physical props. In fact, as much as it's derided for its CGI (and to be fair, the CGI creature effects were... lacking...), the Star Wars prequel trilogy had some of the best physical miniature work I've ever seen. The shot of the Republic Cruiser pulling into the hangar in Episode I is one of my favorite modern physical shots, even if the explosion in the later scene was out of scale and should have been a composite of a real explosion instead of a miniature effect like the original trilogy. Another example would be the Iron Man armor. A lot of the shots done with the actor had him wearing several pieces of the armor but with CGI between them, and the work done there to blend the two was very well done. Some of the shots were not convincing (mainly the flight ones), but the ones that I assumed were a full costume surprised me when I learned how little of the costume actually existed.
In hindsight, it might not have been the intention of AKA Arthur's comment to rob proper credit to good CGI. If so, I'll apologize to him as well.
However, as I said, the use of CGI-only is a huge mistake. Back to the Star Wars Prequels, the worst effects shots were when they did all-digital models for the fighters and starships in Episode III. The best, and only, way that CGI can be done is when you blend it with and use it to enhance existing physical miniatures. Purely CGI shots will never convince an audience like physical models can. I think my favorite vindication of this was when I showed Star Trek: The Next Generation HD to my ex girlfriend who watched the part in the intro where the Enterprise is cruising under the camera and asked, "How does it look so real?!" and I explained that it was a physical model, no CGI whatsoever. Made me proud as a model maker, honestly! And yeah, I'm a model maker, which let me tell you, I really appreciate the work you did to make a replica of the Gemini 12! Most of my work is all weathered to hell because I personally enjoy that look (my uncle ran a junkyard, so it is a weirdly nostalgic thing), but I appreciate the work you did to make your replica look amazing. The metalizing on the hull is a thing of beauty, and really gives it a great look, plus the actual motorized lighting effect on the fusion core is stunning!
I'm also 100% with you on how wonderful it is that in Hollywood, there is a trend toward going back to physical props and miniatures! Like, one of the most recent examples in my mind is the movie Moon, which used exclusively physical miniatures, and it looks spectacular, especially on Bluray. You just can't replicate the weight, the specularity, and the presence of a real model in a shot using a computer. Maybe old films and TV shows weren't as convincing as they could be if they had the benefit of modern technology, but you have to hand it to the guys who made Lost in Space and other old sci-fi shows in that they really knew their stuff and could make effects that if cleaned up and given the 4K treatment would look perfect just as shot.
So yeah, that's really it. IMO, give CGI artists proper credit when they do good work, but never underestimate how important real physical models are. Again, I'm sorry I was misunderstood, and I hope my position is more clear now.
Absolutely outstanding, guys!!! Love it!!!
Absolute Brilliance 💛✨👍
great job !!!! looks just like the original shoot !!!!!!
We tried.
Yes it like being 12 years old. An watching Lost in Space for first time.
The future fan will enjoy your film shot as well.
MORE TO COME!
@@paullubliner6221 I would love to come out and watch you guys work. Have you ever thought of trying to film the actual landing when they crash? Maybe some sand and/or small (fake) trees they would take out as they hit paydirt? Just some ideas. I've often thought of doing something like this, rigging up crash landings in different places in my area. One would be a landing in the snow. Just travel around the country looking for good places to set up and film multiple crash landings lol. This is how I would like to spend my retirement.
The end was well worth the means . Kudos to all of you.
Again thank you. But Hari, you haven't seen the "Ends" just yet. Glen and I have resumed work (after a very long hiatus!) on that effects reel we're doing.
Absolutely amazing work on this once in a lifetime project....Kudos to the entire crew!
Much appreciated!
I'm back again. Each time I watch, the more impressed I am.
I just wish I was there to help.
We wanted to have more help but the forest service limited our group to six. Even if we weren't capped in people numbers, the other problem was scheduling....we didn't know until the day before if all the equipment would be ready, Most of our friends have jobs or other business and couldn't break away at the last minute.
@@BIG-eg2pt Wow, incredible how you managed to pull it off, under such circumstances. You know watching this, I'm amazed that they let in with any equipment at all, let alone the permission to undertake the minor construction necessary to stage the whole thing - even though you all (like me) would've have treated the place like a sacred site, singularly focused on not doing any damage. I'm so impressed with the entire project. Utterly fascinating to watch over and over again.
@@BrianBellia I'm still aching!
@@paullubliner6221 Lol ... I can imagine. I'm about the same age as you guys, and I'm in absolute awe. The end result was definitely worth it, Paul. Bravo, mate! 👍
Excellent presentation. About the only thing I could wish for would be side-by-side display of the original and recreated footage of the whole sequence.
That's an interesting idea!
I legit got chills watching the finished collage of successful passes. Amazing work, gentlemen! Guess I’m going to have to pull out that Moebius Jupiter 2 and get to work now.
BUT. BUT..... THIS is the Gemini 12... and not the Jupiter II and it is BETTER LOOKING! (Wink).
Alright, Alright (prostrating self on knees in forgiveness), I will never again use the incorrect nomenclature.🤣 I erred due to the momentary giddiness achieved upon viewing your miraculous recreation of what is arguably one of the most iconic and thrilling moments of this series. So...it’s YOUR fault!
@@markpr73 Well you COULD try to get your hands on a nice replica GEMINI 12 if you're gonna blame me! (lol!)
Yes, I could. And it could also come out looking as manky as some of the other kits I’ve desecrated in the past. No, sir, I am quite content to marvel from the sidelines at your obvious and significant talents in this arena.
@@markpr73 OR obtain an already built up version, (ahem!):
www.therpf.com/forums/threads/relaunching-the-gemini-12-from-lost-in-space-part-1.333308/page-2#post-5128757
Shame they wouldn't allow a smoke effect.
Maybe you could've used vaping paraphernalia, or something like that. They seem to generate an incredible amount of smoke-like material.
But I'm just musing here - I must have watched all three episodes of this series at least five times now. Spectacular effort, guys, seriously! Hope you're all doing well.
Your comments are much appreciated. Please share the video with other LIS fans too.
This is awesome! Thank you for all your hard work. It's spectacular!
Thank you very much for saying all of that, but aren't you being just a wee-bit "over the top" with your comment?
@@paullubliner6221 Not at all. I truly appreciate all the work you put in on doing this. Well done!
Brilliant! Well done, all.
What a great series ..Thanks for sharing 👍👍 👀
Superb. Well done guys!
Such a great job guys!! Thank you!!!