What If Abaddon Failed To Kill The Clone Of Horus? - 40K Theories
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- What could have happened if the Warmaster's clone had slain the Despoiler in combat?
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The assault on Terra being known as "the Cthonian failure" is one of the best 40k burns I've heard in a while. Actually made me go 'ooooh' IRL lol.
Well, when one faces against Dorn, the Khan and Sanguinius and their boyz respectively, chances are slim at best.
I'm surprised that Fabius Bile apparently never grew himself a groovy new primarch body to replace his own failing one.
Perhaps soul transfer isn't exactly safe for dear old Fabius...
@@Archon3960 Soul transfer doesn't seem mad-sciency enough for him; I figured he'd just sew the old head onto the new body and call it a day...
" Fabius, this is an intervention. You need to stop dabbling into Haemonculi stuff... "
@@Archon3960 he doesn't believe in daemons or Chaos Gods, so would he even believe in souls? If he doesn't, then what does he think the Emperor has been eating?
@@domvasta Even though Fabius is very scientific, I think even he would be ready to acknowledge that souls have power. How else would you explain Psykers and the Warp?
There is also the possibility of the Horus clone regaining its memories when slaying abbadon, and realize to its horror what his original had done. This could even potentially mean that it would become hostile to the chaos gods and all the fallen astartes. A Horus that was no longer the pawn of the chaos gods would indeed be a really bad thing for the gods.
Imagine being a traitor astartes and Horus just starts tearing you guys up and killing everyone he can lmao
So same thing Corvos is doing? Badass
Pretty likely as that's what happened to Fulgrim
Honestly that sounds awesome and GW should have done it.
I would point you all to "The Lupercalian Redemption" on ffnet. Pretty much exactly this. It's pretty good and has an ongoing sequel.
It should be noted that the perfect clone of Fulgrim absolutely hated what his legion had become, and had all the memories of the original Fulgrim, even rebelling against the Imperium, which the clone deeply, deeply regretted.
shows just how much chaos corruption can change someones mind completely
even that of a primarch
@@hallo-mt5tx it would be interesting to think what would happen if fulgrim returns as a good guy. how will old row boat girlyman take it, or the iron hands. i can see the iron hands heads exploding.
@@cyberash3000 i could see him being more understandable as he was there when it all happened and generally being more aware of the bigger picture
i dont think anyone else but others that were present at the horus heresy era could understand that
the mindset was just so different back then
everyone else would probably just think that he is flawed genetically or simply a heretic
yeah and the iron hands would never ever understand that
that would be max level heresy for them
@@hallo-mt5tx like i say the emo ironhands would run to their rooms shouting "i hate you all" to cry lol
@@cyberash3000 Well he's currently a part of Trazyn the Infinite's prized collection so I don't see that happening anytime soon.
He did fail, now Horus' clone guises himself as Abaddon. That's why his kit is so big.
and Horus clone is in fact Alpharius
@@ericboutet5315 and Alpharius is in fact Omegon ...
@@em4rtzz and Omegon is infact Outsider
@@greasyclown and the Outsider is in fact The Emperor!
@@bryanskscion2229 and the Emperor is in fact Tzeenech
If Horus won:
Horus Heresy 2: Electric Boogaloo.
Imperium of Man: Ah shit, here we go again.
Audiobooks available now... x)
The Dropsite Boogaloo part 1 now on audible
I mean, the dude fails at everything else, one more failure won't really hurt his reputation that much.
True
When the plan is to fail, isn’t that success?
Abaddon should go for a goal smaller then ending the Imperium
@@Headhunter1234256 "14th Black Crusade to do list: Keep arms attache...DAMN IT!"
I like the idea that because time in the warp is fucked the black legion and abbadon just go in to the warp for a bit restock and get back in the fight as if no time passes but in reality a long time has passed the crusade never really ends.
Well, don't forget that Horus had to be corrupted by Chaos. He was manipulated, poisoned, infected, slowly stripped of his reason and sanity before having whole chunks of his personality mystically removed. The creature that lead the Heresy to Terra was only in the loosest sense Horus. In any real sense it was simply what was left, hollowed out to be a vessel of power for the Chaos pantheon.
Using the Clone of Fulgrim as a reference, he knew what his corrupted original did and was disgusted at his actions. Whose to say the Horus Clone, who by all accounts was only just awoken, wouldn't have the same memories? If so he would remember killing his beloved brother Sanguinus as well as all the other horrors committed. What then?
He becomes Horus Lupacou, warmaster of the imperium again? Breaks Fabius Bile and Abbadon the wuss in little pieces, flies a ship to Terra and blows his own brains out when he sees what the other him did to his father and brothers.
@@brianjohnson5272 Horus Lupacou, yes
I have to say, I _love_ Stellar Elite's performance as Abaddon ! He really captures that feeling of brutality without being cartoonishly evil like Failbaddon in BFGA.
I thought the point of the Aeldari plot against Fabius Bile was to put a non Slaanesh worshipper in command of the Emperor's Children, thus taking a valuable weapon out of the hands of She Who Thirsts.
Arguably it could be a multitude of factors. With the Harlequins you can never truly know for certain.
@@40KTheories but it does make sense, for a variety of reasons
@@trevorberryhill2398 It does, but I don't really see it working. I don't see Lucius listening to anyone, except maybe Fulgrim. Fabius is also not fixated on the same goals as the rest of the Emperor's Children, so I can't see that working for long. Then again, the Eldar might not know all of that.
Imagine if clone Horus had killed Abbadon, Fabius would have access to the blood of Sanguineous and the Emperor from the Talon and who knows what he could have done with that...
Also "II am not your son" I have always wondered if that was a rejection of the clone or a rejection of Horus entirely, personally I think he rejected Horus completely as a failure.
Abbi has said "Horus was weak"
I personally think he hates his father.
Which is hilarious considering Horus did in a fraction of the time what it has taken Abaddon 10K years to do and he managed to do so while fighting a much more advanced, well organized and stronger Imperium. Abaddon has to be completely unself aware to not see how wrong he is about Horus and who is the real weakling between them.
@@wiseguy01 well Horus have 9 full traitor legion with their primarch and all the dark Mechanicum in the heresy
a classic 30k tragedy was made in memory of this event "the clone and the clown"
Please dont ever stop making videos! I am officially addicted to your content. Great as always and very decisive look into the 40k universe and its endless possibilities!
In regards to the Cabal, I'll quote Eldrad from the final Beast War novel. "They played us all to their own ends..." They never intended to do anything but benefit themselves. The whole Horus Wins Chaos is destroyed prophecy was always a bunch of Hokum from those bastards. They just wanted to play humanity against itself to weaken it.
What if Abaddon failed to Kill the Clone of Horus?
Then he wouldn't be the most expensive and ornately painted single model in my Black Legion army.
*Fabius Bile upon being asked to rule the traitor legions:* _You want me to do what?! DO I LOOK LIKE A RULER TO YOU!?_
Crazy old man rebeling the law and nature! [MUST WATCH]
Chaos Astartes: no you don’t look like a yellow stick with measures on it
Dammit Jim, I'm a Doctor not a Warmaster!
I think that the Fulgrim Clone actually had Fulgrim's soul, that the "Daemon Primarch" was in fact the Greater Daemon of Slannesh that ascended while still possessing Fulgrim's body. As for the Horus Clone, since Horus' soul was destroyed, a perfect Clone of Horus could only come to be a form of him with perhaps a shard of his soul and identity. I think though, at the end, Horus was repentant but the Emperor had to purge all his humanity to prevent Horus declining again and then becoming a Daemon Prince.
I've got another what if for you. What if Fabius Bile cloned the Emperor?
I guess it will be the original child the emperor's mom was going to have since the emperor is technicaly a mix of ancient psyker souls
Then Big E would transfer his soul to that body, and rebuild the Imperium back to what it was during the Great Crusade. Also, Bile would suffer for all eternity for being so stupid.
@@maverickwildwolf3871 Wouldn't that be a bitch.
He tries to clone a God, he gets a turkish baby instead.
@@RyoKasai25
'Emp' clone: "Görk dörk, deny the Armenian Genocide I must"
Although the Emperor would be more like a Greek or a Hittite than a Turk, due to being born in the year 10,000 BC or so
I wanna see a Chaos Emperor ( and, no, not the Chaos God of Order. More like a Chaos version of the Emperor ). That'd be something :D
11:15 I like how that voice was done!
13:06 Sounds like Custodisis voice, if he were a giant space frog
Easy, both his arms fall off and he reinacts the Black Knight scene from Monty Python
I need to rewatch that scene now...
‘‘Tis but a scratch
A SCRATCH?????
*”THE BLACK LEGION ALWAYS TRIUMPHS! HAVE AT YOU!”*
Abbadon fail at something? What? Never!
If Failbaddon did not kill Horus's clone, he would be a true failure.
The idea of Chaos madness ending with humanity like a plague that kills its victims too quick to spread further is interesting, but surely such a harvest of souls would offset the balance between the materials and the Warp forces beyound repair. Might end them up with a few new gods as well.
This is definitely one of if not my favorite episode. Tons of very convincing agendas all at play, awesome quotes, and the terrifying reality that was avoided regarding humanity's extinction. Great job!
What if the emperor sent someone else to bring Magnus back to Terra? You know not his most hated rival in Russ, but perhaps Vulkan?
viewernewest or even Jhan
It would largely depends on who he sent since Horus didn't want Magnus reaching Terra.
This is your best work yet. Very original and thought inspiring. Thanks :)
'The Flesh Market!!!' LMAO! I can just see Biles ship like some crappy nightclub crossed with a battleship.
Sees title. "what the hell, and why is it in my recommendations I never looked up any Warhammer 40k stuff"
this is interesting. thank you for this one.
Killing the clones of Horus must have been the wrong thing to do because he accomplished it so swiftly
Horus did nothing wrong.
But seriously, I think a reborn Horus would make for interesting times... certainly he'd be free of the corruption on his predecessor's soul, which means there'd be an *actual loyalist Primarch* in the Eye (as soon as he recovered his full memory). I get the feeling the Traitor Legions would be a lot weaker in the future if that were the case.
You do know that has already happened right? If not google about Fulgrim's clone.
@PraetorGix Loyalist or Traitor Fulgrim, he's still a peacock. He ain't doing shit. Loyalist Horus would definitely be able to convince Magnus ( and potentially Lorgar and Omegon as well ) to turn back to the Imperial side ( or at least to renounce the way of Chaos )
@@CryingZombie666 I see Omegon as the Alpha Legion are supposedly secretly loyalist. Magnus lost the good part of his soul. Lorgar is shattered beyond belief. Mortarion would be interesting as Horus (the original) trusted him the most during the heresy.
@@henrikhans467 Fuck GW's canon. I like both Magnus and Lorgar and they deserve redemption, damn it.
@@CryingZombie666 I agree poor Magnus. I partially hope Mortarion gets some as well. During the Heresy he was the go to guy for Horus and along with Dorn, Lorgar, Fulgrim and Sanginius (who was the closest to Horus) he was very close to him. He didn't want to be apart of Nurgle that was Typhus and Mortarion didn't want to see his men suffering.
I personally think this is one of those hypotheticals that has too many moving parts for anyone to properly speculate on and I'm sure the whole reason why they had the Horus clone be a thing was to give Failbaddon the Armless a win to make his win/loss ratio slightly less sad
Abbadon did fail to kill the clone of Horus. His 10 Chaos Space Marines shot the crap out of the clone with a crap ton of bolter fire.
He impaled it, then shot it himself. So, he actually succeeded :)
@@40KTheories Impaling a Primarch is not the same as killing it
@Zovereign: As I said, he impaled the clone, then shot it. The clone died from that.
Here's the full passage from 'Talon of Horus'
All five of Abaddon’s claws rammed so deeply into Horus’s chest that they burst from his back. The scythes pushed out the stunted remains of Telemachon’s swords, sending the broken blades clattering against the floor.
Dark redness spread across what was left of the white fur cloak draped in tatters across Horus’s shoulders. A genetic god’s blood rained down over me. I felt like laughing without knowing why. Shock, perhaps. Shock and naked relief.
The storm bolter on the Talon’s back kicked three times, burying six bolts inside Horus’s exposed chest and neck. They blasted him apart from within, adding viscera to the blood slopping across those of us left prone.
And that was how they stood, as gold flared in the eyes of one and life faded from the eyes of the other. Horus’s knees buckled but Abaddon would not let him fall. Horus’s mouth worked but no sound came forth. If his last words found any voice, Abaddon was the only one to hear it.
I was fortunate that day. Not just because I survived a battle with a demigod that should never have been fought, but because I heard Abaddon’s last words to his father. With a slow, smooth withdrawal, he pulled the Talon clear of his father’s body, and the moment before Horus fell - the moment before the light finally went out in the primarch’s eyes - Abaddon whispered five soft words.
‘I am not your son.’
@@40KTheories You would think that they wouldn't argue with one of the most well-researched 40K channels on CZcams
@@doomguy19931
I know right
That Slaan voice is amazing
@40K Theories
What if Guilliman met the clone of Fulgrim?
Omg yeeeeeees
I think that’ll be the plot of the third Dark Imperium novel.
Al P.H. Arius hopefully would be awesome
He would try to kill him with fire, no matter how amicable Fulgrim tries to be. He doesn't even want to use perfectly fine geneseed for the Primaris project just because it has a connection to the traitor primarchs, his mind is absolutely made in that matter and he would make no exceptions.
Great video as always 40k Theories.
*Sees title*
THERE WAS A CLONE OF HORUS!?
It's good to see that there still are some fans who are serious and respectful enough to not bring their own views into a lore/alternate lore video. GOOD FOR YOU! :D
Just an hour before my birthday! Excellent work, good sir!
Happy birthday, good sir!
@@danielgarza1209 why thank you!
Since your post was about an hour ago, then I wish you a happy birthday :)
@@40KTheories 🎉
Clone horus arrives on terra
Everyone panic
The emperor suddenly rises from his seat
THE EMPEROR SUDDENLY RISES FROM HIS SEAT!
Abbadon is such a failure, he fails at failing and does a double negative roll to kill the most menacing individual to exist in W40K
You'd think he suceeded, but he actually failed at his own failure to kill the clone of Horus
Actually his crusades were a sucess as they prevented the closing of the eye of terror
Hey, even a broken clock is right two times per day.
He is nearly as big a failure as the Primarchs ......... nearly!
But then Sigismund would disagree .......... if he could!
Why are you still subscribed to PJW, Sargon, It'saGundam and MauLer?
Good deep dive on the lore, cool!
that was a fucking incredible slann voice
I dunno why you didn't carry on with your train of thought of Horus having his weapon broke an getting his memories back because he surely would of taken up the title of warmaster if this was to have happened he would no doubt fold the back legion into the sons of Horus.
Horus has a clone? ........man there’s so much lore in this universe
*Had ;)
Though there is a pristine and unused, mint in box Fulgrim clone in Trazyn tesseracts. Imagine the possibilities...
if hes anythng like the last Fulgrim clone it could be good for the imperium.
@@murdamomurda9018 definitely, he was arguably one of the least evil, and more noble primarchs before the Laeran campaign, I wonder what would have happened if the Ultramarines or White scars had been sent there instead of the 3rd legion 🤔
pretty sure something similar to the Fulgrim clone would happen. it would just freak the hell out of everyone because they know that he is fake yet the clone is calling them by name and recounting stories that they lived through.
Good work As Always, Battle Brother!!!, Keep them coming 😀!!!,If He Failed to kill The Clone of Horus, That's Could have a Great Inpact For Chaos Scum and Imperium !!, and Maybe Just Maybe Weakened the Chaos ..... Good Theory 😎 !!!.
so, the "I am not your son" tagline. did DnD & G R R martin write it first for Tyrion Lannister, or does the...archive of this circa 30K lore predate that?
G R R R R R R R martin didn't write anything FIRST, and couldn't write a good ending even if he borrowed it from Tolkien !
Short answer, we couldn’t use the term Failbadon... at best it would save him his reputation
With 1K likes and only 7 dislikes I think you are doing it right! Great video!
Horus was a queen, with a high possibility of betrayal, chaos decided to ax the queen in the most effective way they could. They took a king with a queen. Imperium fights on, but their power was cut dramatically short.
The chaos gods would never allow Horus to return to the game though, even if its a cheap copy, copy's can attract the fragments of his soul, that are hinted to be scattered within their realms.
Besides they can't let someone who actually can do his job live, they need Abaddon the Harmless to keep running around smashing his head for more of their fun times.
Plot twist: Abaddon is in fact experiencing an alternate version of what could have been. It won't be long now, until he is snapped out of it and turned into a chaos spawn.
It was my understanding the Horus Clone only had his Mace but no armor.
He most definitely had the armour as well
That Slaan voice was really good what the heck
He would finally get people to stop calling him Fabulous Bob.
I reckon Horus woulda gone all good and tried to return to the Imperium or at least go on a Crusade of redemption.
Funny how chaos is always babbling on about worshipping a corpse emperor when the black legion literally worshipped a corpse
The Sons of Horus, The Black Legion wasn't a thing yet
Bile could have at least attempted to keep the cloned Horus from siding with chaos to at least deny them such a powerful pawn. they most likely would try to kill him at that point though, which means Bile at least would have the option of chucking him at Terra and hoping the Emperor would do something about that (which i'm sure he would. i mean, a Horus that hadn't actually done a bunch of shit but knew about it all so he could avoid doing it again while also having another Primarch at his side to do stuff? too good to pass up imo). even if the clone was stuck in the deepest dungeons of Terra, it would still be ridiculously difficult to get to him. also, i'm pretty sure the Eldar only say humanity has to die to get rid of chaos because they're butthurt about making things worse and the fact that the Imperium in the crown force of the galaxy at the moment
ooh, i have a theory for you to do, inspired by this video
are the eldar trying to prevent humanities evolution?
both the emperor and fabius want to create a new human species, one better than the primarchs, or even the emperor. what you said in this video made me think that the eldar want to prevent fabius from doing so.
here's the theory: did the eldar take steps to ensure that the emperors "great work" would fail?
we already know that as petty as they are now, the still seek to return to the position of the galaxies dominant species
I think the most interestng possibility was left by the wayside here: The clone of Lupercal with his memories restored, would turn out like the clone of Fulgrim with his memories restored, and would in fact, be loyalist even if never accepted by the Imperium, cleared of the corruption of the warp and seek to lead his sons to redemption as Fulgrim tried to do before Bile sold him off for pack of cigarettes. Can you imagine the sheer amount of FUCK that would do for everyone involved?
The only thing Failbadon could do successfully.
Simple answer:40k might've have been blessed with a decent villain
"Kill, Maim, Burn"....... Kharn the betrayer
Enough said !
The basic premises rule this out.
1- the clone was not Horus, Horus' soul was annihilated. Just because you reconstruct the physical bits does not mean that a person is still there, ask Mary Shelley.
2-The powers of Chaos had bet on Horus and lost. We know that Fabius had constructed a clone of Horus. If your point is correct, who is the say that Abaddon was not the tool of the powers of chaos when he destroyed the clone?
3-Fulgrim's soul was not annihilated. As a result, the circumstances have to be treated differently. The clone of Fulgrim was not only physically viable, but arguably had full drums Soul, or at least a mimeograph of such a soul. Fulgrim was a sensitive sort when he was originally brought up on Chemos. Fabius did not alienate him or abuse him. There may have been legitimate affection.
4-The idea that the Eldar end game with Fabius was simply to keep him busy and not attack them is pretty sadly myopic. The Eldar are never that one-dimensional. There is a lot more to the game they're playing.
Besides, they led Fabius right to a large group of Eldar.
*Supposedly annihilated.
There were still remnants of the original Horus's soul within the Realm of Chaos still performing labours for the Chaos Gods even just prior to the Siege of Terra (as shown in HH: Slaves to Darkness. I even did a video on that topic a while back if you're interested :3 )
Secondly there is nothing to disprove the possibility that the clone developed it's own soul, since in 40K souls are created by some unknown biological process (hence why those with the Pariah Gene lack souls). But all in all, the subject of Clones and souls its a topic worthy of a video in its own right.
In addition, while Fulgrim's soul may not have been annihilated, It was still claimed by Slaanesh when he ascended to Daemonhood
@@40KTheoriesYeah, I read Slaves to Darkness, it was slow and a lot of retcon.
The souls and clone issue in 40k is a great issue for a video! Good call sir!
I think that Fulgrim's situation is still murky. The daemon possession situation with Leaer Blade leaves that uncertain. Fulgrim may be a real litmus test for soul/clone issues in the books to come!
I think that you have really revealed a great bit of video-fodder!
Abaddon could have had a daddy to give him the huggos and kissies he truly wants and needs. That poor arm-less lad needs some affection to make up for his failings.
can you do a genetic heritage of the crimson slaughter
I plan to do a video on the Crimson Slaughter/Crimson Sabres in future, don't worry.
they are my favorite minor Chaos warbands
What's that chanting song in the background?
Given abaddons track record, not only did he fail- but now there's a second horus clone somehow (two horus clones, not counting abby himself lmfaooooo), and he's accidentally wiped his own memory of the event
I just paused the video and noticed that the two spinning bits in the background are out of sync and now I can't stop noting it
I'll admit, this one has me scratching my head a bit. Mostly because, if I have it right, Horus' soul was completely dusted and destroyed by the Emperor in their final showdown. Now granted there's rumors (and even the possibility) that pieces and fragments of it still drift in the Warp. But for all intents and purposes the original Horus is dead and gone, not even able to ascend to demonhood.
So what, exactly, would his clone be in the context of the Warp? What kind of psychic presence would it have? Taking the premise at face value and he defeats Abbadon, would it grow it's own mind and spirit or would it serve as a kind of psychic flypaper to the remains of the original's spirit who could then use it to partially reconstitute itself? Either way would it then look on results of the Heresy, the destruction and devastation wrought in its name, and smile with pride, seeking to pick up where it left off or rather recognize just how it had been played and make an attempt at redemption? The re-emergence of Horus, even a knock off, would be a powerful weapon and propaganda tool for the Forces of Chaos. But it could be an equally powerful one for the Imperium as the prodigal son of the Emperor returns to the fold.
Assuming the clone actually is able to have it's own will and mind or was able to get a least a enough of the old Horus back I would actually speculate it would turn its back on both Chaos (who caused it's original downfall) and the Imperium (which has degraded into the antitheses of the Emperor's dream for humanity) and strike out on it's own. Given its power and connections to the past (for good and ill) I could indeed see it attracting both loyalist and traitor legion alike to it's side, inspiring the former and redeeming the later, building up a kind of cult of reason dedicated to the Emperor's original intents, creating a kind of Reverse Heresy.
That's my thought anyway.
Well think of it this way, the Pariah Gene inhibits the development of a soul. This would imply that a soul is generated through some biological process.
@@40KTheories Which I think comes around to my initial question I guess: Is the clone of Horus just a biological automaton or does it have the ability to develop a mind and soul of its own?
What is the old one retuned?
Would he comando the tyranids more directly, rally all ork kind or unit all factions to fight chaos and necrons.
Wait a second, a slann in 40k like a living old one in 40k
A slan was a race made by the old ones in there image and are more of there lap dogs than anything else but kinda yeah
I think Horus still lives, divided into 4 still trying to finish the labors chaos originally gave him. Maybe eventually Horus will seek to reunite himself and his soul weakened will join the Ultramarines in fighting against Chaos. With shards of Magnus floating around I could see a similar fight with the infested demons in his body to purify himself from chaos as the exorcist chapter does to resist chaos. It would allow for a redemption story and maybe with Magnus returning he can let the Emperor rest.
I managed to comment early on a videos life yay
Recently got into warhammer, my uncle gave me all his old stuff, and I found a mint condition (new in box) Cato Sicarius metal mini from his 93 run I think. (The wolverine model), should I add it to my ultramarine army or something else?
Sell it, there are people willing to pay insane amounts of money for such trinkets.
OK i like this version of hte neverborn speech better. Less weeezy/drooling and far easier to understand while getting across 'oh shit. DAEMON'
Is it weird I think Fabius is one of the coolest personalities in WH40K?
Dude is just like "Yo cmon, leave me alone I jus wanna do science..." And everyone that's evil is like "Damnit, he's too useful to kill..."
Has anyone else thought that Horus' clone may be a pre-Heresy version? What if the untainted clone reverted to his former, more noble self and ran amok throughout the Eye or made it back to the Imperium as Father's son? After all, the clone hesitated in felling Abbadon and that's not the tainted Warmaster's style (murder, mass murder etc came easily to him). Would Horus take his father's place finally?....
If Horus won/survived, he would gather the traitors unto him and guide them to a mission now worth fulfilling. Instead of pursuing hatred and rage against the Imperium of Man, the Traitors would seek to build a new Imperium built more honestly upon the Emperors True dream and vision for mankind. This would create a massive schism among the chaos Marines as less hardcore and "only" Renegade chapters would be most likely to heed the Horus clone's call. Horus' clone could in fact have the Fulgrim Clone at his side in this endeavor. I can easily imagine lop-sided wars against the IoM at first, but some chapters already teetering toward Chaos would find Horus's "Rebel Empire" a very easy pill to take.
Before too long the Horus and Fulgrim clones would change their names to avoid the negative connotations and deflect some of the ire of their original Daemon Primarchs. The IoM Sees no difference, but the Rebel Empire garners much support some even from the IoM itself. But the fact that the Rebel Empire is founded by the clone of the arch-traitor and a fell Primarch brother, plus so many chaotic and renegade Astartes... Even if the IoM at least unofficially wants peace with them, officially they have to pursue their annihilation.
Video idea: Would Argel Tal have stayed loyal to the Word Bearers if he had survived the Horus Heresy
I love that the Emperor's Children don't give a fuck and war with everyone after the heresy, shame they are so depleted and dispersed in the the 41st milenium, I would actually get into the hoby if they released a 40k Eidolon model, been thinking about maybe converting the 30k one 🤔 .
Horus Clone housing the Loyal Shard of Magnus (the only reason why punny Abbadon won was because the Horus Clone lacked a Primach soul) and the perfect clone of Fulgrim becoming loyalists could be awesome.
R.I.P. Thagus Daravek
Fucking HORUS?!
Brian Slack FUCKING HORUS!
Sanguinius on vacation FUCKING HORUS?!
Well there was the plan to give all legions back their primarch not just Horus so it is more likely to me once all the others were cloned their Daemonic versions would take notice as this would be seen as some parody of them and who knows maybe lorgar would actually do something other than writing fapfiction
Another scenario is Horus defeats but does not kill Abaddon, potentially leaving a loyalist Horus gathering armies to battle Abaddon's Chaos forces.
Oh dang.
Hey Lord inquisitor are you and Fioura still Doing that Warp Warfare？
Then the Imperium would be screwed.
Going into this I'm guessing not much; its just that Horus would be at the head of the Black Legion instead.
Are 40k Slann and Fantasy/AoS Slann really the same kind of entities. Or is it just an approximation when using that picture?
Within the novel 'Old Earth', Gahet (the Slann mentioned in this video) is given a more in depth description where he is stated to a be a bloated, reptilian creature that resided within a great pyramid with a psychic potency so great that even Eldrad Ulthraan struggled to overcome them.
So I would say so.
@@40KTheories Quite strange that they don't seem to come up as much. One would think they'd be good for fighting Chaos, if they are anything like their Fantasy counterpart.
It might be due to how small their numbers up in the modern era.
n00b question but can anyone explain what the hell that stupid thing on Abaddon's head is? Maybe it needs it's own 40k theory?
we would have someone actually competent to fight.
More than likely.
In fairness to Abaddon, he did beat the ever-loving crap out of Marneus Calgar, even though Calgar had been upgraded into a Primaris Marine, and managed to kill Eldrad Ulthraan (though the latter did get retconned)
Also don't forget Sigismund.
So if Horus ever wins , HE might have destroyed the Evil Warp Gods by short circuiting it with so much powerful Primarch emotions. This in turn would have been a better alternative that is in alignment with the Emperor's crusade to destroy Kaos.
but I don't think Big E would sacrifice all of humanity to achieve this.
So Chaos thrives on the power of human emotions so it would follow that if there were no humans chaos would lose it's power. So with that logic surely Chaos would want humanity to become ascendant as the two things fates, Chaos and humanity are linked. I don't know why Chaos and it's gods are humanity's enemies at all.
what book covers abbadon fighting the clone of horus ?
Talon of Horus
There was no body. He was obliterated utterly.
No he wasn’t, a body was left.
This was shown in both the novel Talon of Horus and the original short story detailing the final duel between the emperor and Horus in the realm of chaos books
Abbadon got lucky, had Horus (clone) been fresh, he'd have eaten Abbadon for lunch.
I love the lore but any tips on starting to play the game?
What army do you like?
@@nightkids29 honestly I'm not sure. I've seen a lot of lore videos and have favorites but I assume they might be under or overpowered for one reason or another. Like are tyranids or anything other than space marines good?
@@zachary3367 SM is getting a new codex. By the way, do you like SM and what chapter do you like?
I am having trouble understanding the “in character” quotes. The sounds are a bit to fuzzy for my ears to discern what is being said.