What if Ferrus Manus Survived the Isstvan Drop Site Massacre? | Warhammer 40k Lore
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Ferrus Manus' death was one of the most dramatic and pivotal moments of the entire setting, so what would happen if he instead survived?
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The major change would be that Guilliman would never have been wounded by Fulgrim and put in stasis for 10,000 years. He'd potentially rule as regent right ip to 40K, keeping the Imperium ticking over and preventing the degradation of society and technology
Well yeah, but i think the narrative needed all the primarchs gone, then returned one by one
Damn, that's some pretty far thinking. Well done.
It wouldnt have gotten that far. If Ferrus survived, the Iron Tenth would have smashed the traitor legions long before they could even make it to Terra.
The Iron Tenth was the biggest and most powerful legion during the great crusade.
@@warthog_almighty how do you figure?
@@michaelhowell2326 cause the Iron Hands are my favorite legion and im biased.
His soul survived though. All of the primarchs are still alive in either a physical form, a warp bound soul or daemon prince. All accept Horus who had his soul destroyed utterly.
Yes and no. He has echoes on the warp. The reason it's the warp itself so there is a chance of Horus becoming the rumored 5th chaos god. If they wish to go to that route!
@@Directo13😂
@@therealistintheboot8822 Hey man! What can I say. that's the rumors on the watering hole!
@@Directo13 I mean.... yeah but that's speculation at this point. A 5th chaos god has been a rumour since 2nd edition.
Ngl, it sounds like a fun idea but personally I find changing how chaos works suddenly just won't make sense.
There are eight points on the chaos star.
Four for the gods and four for the daemon primarchs of each god. Each daemon primarch has given his body to each god, thus becoming a host for a daemon. There souls remain intact. This also explains why the EoM tells Gman that Mortarion is still redeemable whilst Gman is fighting him.
Horus differed from the four daemon primarchs because he gained the blessing of all four gods in exchange for his soul being corrupted. He maintained control of his body and didn't become a god or get his body taken by a daemon. Hence why the EoM destroyed his soul outright.
But yeah.... it's kinda possible for him to ascend to a god if his soul isn't totally destroyed but imagine what sacrifice he would need to make in order to become a god out right. It would be along the lines of another god getting killed by him. (perhaps he would have become a god if he had killed the EoM and lived?)
@@Directo13 5th chaos god is 100% gonna be Vashtorr imo, makes way more sense
Ferrus manus and iron hands get shafted so hard lorewise. Favorite legion and hope they get some new lore between them and admech.
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Yeah and no bionics upgrade sprue for cool models...
A factor you left out is the khan’s presence during the siege of terra, with no fulgrim the khan stays put there’s an extra primarch teleporting onto the vengeful spirit, potentially evening the odds for sanguinius and ensuring his survival
It would essentially become beyblade and Tasmanian devil vs power armoured lucifer
Ferrus the Manus my favourite primarch. I really hope they bring him back as a spooky legion of the damned ghost.
Out of interest, what makes him your favourite?
Favorite? Hmmmmmm..... how-..... imperfect of an opinion you harbor. >=]
I get it, Ferrus and Perturabo were the first Primarch books I bought about 5-6 years ago... the true "Tough Love/Genius Artificer" Primarchs...
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That would be stupid writing.
Getting a video about how each of the pre heresy primarchs would have reacted to being in Guillimans situation of the first to re awaken would be pretty cool ngl. Seeing how they rule their own empire would be great.
Pre heresy Lorgar be like
You are a man of commitment, determination, and sheer freaking will, and I know that as long as you keep posting this under every video, hope will live on in the hearts of man. o7.
@@RorikH that's all I ask for in life 🫡
What an empty life you have.
@@trimeerious4349 We're rooting for you. The voice of the people!
The Gorgon must comeback. The iron hands deserve justice.
Would be so cool to see Ferrus Manus and his Morlocks as Legion of the damned fighting alongside the modern Avernii and butchering the newly arrived Fulgrim and his hedonites.
@Jan Müller I will speak it into the universe and I hope it does its thing.
I hope for Ferrus(as a lesion of the damnd ghost rider) and clonegrim with the iron hands (and maybe the sons of the pheonx chapter) Vs Demon fulgrim and the sapphire King.
There needs to be a battle against their dark reflections.
And again, justice for the Iron Hands.
@@2saisaiAs it should be
@@2saisaiwith ancient Rylanor as a chapter master of the legion of the damned.
I kinda like the idea of Fulgrim getting a redemption arc, realizing how fucked his legion had become, and rejoining the loyalists, being the only Primarch to no longer have a legion to call his own. Maybe becoming like a ronin, walking the galaxy to atone for his sins and killing chaos wherever it comes up. That sounds like a really good plotline.
I think adding various types of renegade and chaos marines that are or are trying to redeem themselves would also mix well with that idea. Maybe only around a quarter or half a chapter size tho
Legionless Fulgrim could lead the blackshields as he would be a blackshielded primarch. The image of once haughty and horribly insecure egoist still wearing his purple and gleaming gold only with the addition of a small black shield emblem attached as a mark of humbled repentance, fighting with the abandon of a shame wracked penitent would be quite a turn but not impossible and one hell of an arc
@@gideonmele1556 I need this fanfiction
There’s a clone of Fulgrim who Fabius Bile produced. This clone was said to retain the memories of Fulgrim to a certain degree, and was loyal to the Emperor. We could see two Fulgrims existing.
@@anomalousproductions3747 He's cool, but I like the alternate history. Ferrus lives, Fulgrim isn't possessed, and he eventually works to redeem himself as his corrupted legion hunts down their genefather.
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Well, if Flugum was dead, then Guilliman wouldn't lose a fight against him. And he wouldn't be put in Stasis. And then the Imperium would probably not fall as far. So, it's probably a pretty big difference.
Who's Flugum? The second or eleventh primarch?
@@rayhanmustakim7073 it's the weird 11th primarch that's partially bald and hates both perty and rogal for gething legos and megablocks while he got stuck with lousy clays😆
10:35 I think this prevents Guiliman from being shanked with that chaos knife from Fulgrim though and he never goes into stasis.
Yeah basically this means Abby wouldn't make it out of the black crusades alive. Also the war of the beast would either never happen or go way better for the imperium if they have big bobby g instead of the shitty high lords
@@670HP-Package-NOW Probably just no reason to go that far in the vid though since it’s meant to focus on Ferus and Fulgrim rather than extending it to the 40k setting just being a ‘What if G-Man didn’t get shanked and put in stasis’
you forgot about the fact that the reason the big blue man was in a coma was due to snek fulgrim. if he is dead then g-man would not enter a coma making the imperium more stable i think
I’m glad someone else picked that one up.
I agree that it would have prevented his coma for a while at the very least, but 10 thousand years is a long time and G man loves charging dudes stronger than him. Personally I think he'd get knocked out at some point, but it'd prolly take longer yeah
Imagine if after Istvan Ferrus and Vulkan go full blacksmith and work together to make a ton of relic weapons and artifacts before the payback.
If you read one of the few Iron Hands 40k novels/novella’s, specifically Medusan Wings, it’s shown that the Iron Hands have a pretty good understanding of Ferrus Manus.
They have learned from his life and death. They understand that his geneseed causes them to become hot-headed and emotional, and they keep each other’s emotions in check, using Ferrus’ death as an example.
It’s really neat to see them learn and grow from their primarchs death.
If only we could get actual fucking novels about them, Raven Guard, White Scars and Salamanders, that’d be awesome.
There’s a ton of things they could explore with their legions.
Don't you mean - "They understand their geneseed can cause them to become not-headed!" . >XD
The Iron Hands are also super-messed up though. They believe their Astartes bodies are "weak," so replace their entire bodies - unlike the Mecanicus, which aims for a perfect balance of human and machine. Ferrus wanted to put a stop to his legion using so many cybernetics, especially because Ferrus' metal arms were fundamentally biological, not "robot arms" like his legion believed. Unfortunately he died before he could stop them.
@@Jagonath they definitely are the legion that is the closest to the AdMech, in not just fundamentals, but they trade tech back and forth between them, and Iron Hand tech marines are highly regarded within the legion for their study on Mars.
It’s why they are likely my favorite legion, AdMech are what got me into 40k.
@@Jagonath Not ALL Iron Hands are like that, though. Most of those that were truly machine-worshippers fell to Chaos in the Gaudinian Heresy. Iron Father Feirros and current Chapter Master elect Kardan Stronos are well-balanced, for example.
Yeah a lot of legions are grossly overlooked. Raven Guard (according to ADB) have lots of novels but I'm not so convinced. White Scars have a couple good ones but all Horus Heresy era. I have yet to read a good Salamanders book and some are so poorly written I laughed out loud reading them.
It really is too bad Ferrus was first to die and is gone. After someone made the comparison between Ferrus and Fulgrim as Guts and Griffith from Berserk and I can't unsee it. The way you describe him on this skirmishing campaign against Fulgrim and the Emperor's Children reminiscent of the Conviction Arc and beyond of Muira-sensei's magnum opus. Two pairs of once best friends betrayed and disgraced... it truly is a shame we didn't get this awesome storyline
I want to see if Fabius Bile could make a "Primaris style Primearch", like how powerful can your get with no warp spirits inside.
Not worth the resources. As is apparent with the clones he already made. One headshot and they are gone. No special soul no special plot armor.
It's not that Iron Hands were able to escape, it's that Ferrus raged ahead with a fraction of his legion. Most of the Isstvan survivors were ships that showed up as or after the trap was sprung
As a small boon to the loyalists during the Siege: the Khan wouldn't have ridden out to protect Terra from the Emperors Children as he did in canon.
And yeah, having Legion of the Damned Ferrus appear to kick Daemon Fulgrims teeth in would be wild.
One of my pipeline fever dreams is that Ferrus Manus returns as the Legion of the damned's "Primarch", reborn into realspace out of his pure and still existing drive for vengeance. Feels fitting and a nice convenient "loophole" to return Ferrus to the setting.
Ferrus is so cool, he truly is the Warhammer 40k 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Majorkill you need to make a sort of pseudo part two to this about Guilliman never getting stabbed and put into stasis
Fulgrim dying like this doesn't change the Heresy much but it would have huge ripples for the post Heresy setting. Imagine an Imperium that had Guilliman to lead it from the very start all the way up to the present day. The whole thing would look like Ultramar at this point. OP
One thing I think would be worth noting is that the Iron Hands wouldn't have the same obsession with replacing everything with cybernetics as in canon they recognised that it was Ferrus' anger that got the better of him so they try and expunge all emotion. In this instance they'd probably cybernetics more as pragmatism than dogma.
Thank you so much. This hypothetical is vastly more satisfying and respectful to the lore of Ferrus and the Metal Bois. I'm not even upset that he still dies, because it's *way* more impactful.
Its funny and probably will NEVER happen since the author left, but i want to see the Loyalist Fulgrim to return next.
Loyalist Clone Fulgrim:Oh hey G man, how have you been? Let me explain.
G man: confused scared rage screaming
Lion: on guard and ready
Corvus materialises in deamon form: confused silence
Loyalist Fulgrim (and everyone else in the room) What in Fathers name is that?
honestly i think that would be equal parts hilarious and fucking scary if corvus materialized in his crow demon form finding clonegrim and just being fucking shocked, while both guiliman and the lion stand in awe as both a crow demon and a perfect fulgrim clone appear in the same room at once with all 4 primarchs trying to understand what is going on.
@@sovietunion7643 G man to the Lion. Brother i think were in the wrong timeline.
I don't know, ferrus was physicaly a beast, the few books we have of him show him in his lowest moments, but in lore he was supossed to be one of the strongest primarchs and better generals, i think that depending on the case he would travel to medusa to rearm, but later he could initiate a crusade to bring togheter the loyals and counterattack, analyzing the situation, ferrus is hot headed but the point is that his cold mind focus his rage to use it as a weapon, we must remember that by the point where he was in the fulgrim novel he was already wiser and self-aware but fulgrim's betrayal broke his character development, he just has unlimited potential, he could do anything, we NEED more books of him
Ferris would’ve followed the same road as Corvus corax and would’ve become a warp entity hunting the traitors on his own crusade of vengeance
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Jeez sorry man I hope your recovery will be a speedy one I can only imagine what happend
Hope you get well, Brother.
I haven't even started the video yet but thank you for doing this subject!
Such an awesome Primarch that could have had a lot more awesome stories.
The pain only gets worse the bigger my Iron Hands army gets..
So hear me out, what if they bring Ferrus back to life.. as a dreadnought Primarch, and he goes toe to toe with Perty who is a demonic Dreadnought Primarch
"You're weak Peterturbo!"
Hey Majorkill, I think you should do a full video on Ferrus. It might not do as well as the other primarch videos, but Ferrus definitely deserves it. In fact, your video might help give him more exposure among the fanbase, which again, he deserves.
i love the idea of primarch tier gear handmade by ferrus manus for his morlocks. that would have been awsome lore and models for 30k and 40k iron hands
The Morlocs were all terminators. The Iron Hands had the most terminators due to their ties with the Mechanicum. Also they got them first and worked on improving the designs.
Maybe the iron hands would finally get some love. I think ferrus by far as one of the best primarch back stories and his devotion to the Emperor could easily make him a fan favorite.
For starters the iron hands may finally get some cool lore and unique models.
I have made it very clear that I want to see less space marines. But how come the iron hands, one of the original legions, the one with the most grimdark and sci-fi aspects in a grimdark sci-fi setting, who's basically the space marine admech, is the one that gets stiffed on the lore. I know they don't get stiffed on the tabletop, there paint scheme is awesome and easy to work with, and I know there's a demand for better lore for them. So why does GW stiff them?
@@arcahmwinters70 Then embrace it. Make a story about an iron hands space marine who actually cares about civilians and does every thing in his power to protect them while still working within a system that discourages such a mind set.
Or show what it takes for a civilian to finally earn the respect of the iron hands. Have a planet like Armageddon that's constantly being attacked, saved, rebuilt, and attacked again. Have the iron hands see how resilient the population is.
Or make the iron hands the bad guy of a story, there's plenty of examples where the imperials are attacking other imperials for whatever reason. Show how powerful, oppressive, and heartless the impirium can be, but at the same time how the people within it can still somehow eak out a win.
There's no such thing as a bad premise, just bad writing, and the ironhands are getting nothing written about them.
Edit. I accidentally typed iron warriors a couple of times, but that's another idea. Have the two iron space marines fight and show how painfully similar they are. How easy it is to turn traitor. Or actually show the good in the iron hands by comparison.
A scenario that always interested me is how things would have gone if the Emperor hadn't allowed Horus to beat him to a pulp and just destroyed his soul after he saw him kill our glorious hawk-boy Sanguinius. How would a non-vegetable Emperor deal with the fall-out of the Horus heresy, the destruction of the webway, the disappearance of the loyalist primarchs, the 13th black crusade, etc. I would watch the *shit* out of a video like that !
In my opinion the fanfiction Imperium Ascendant gives an amazing alternate version of Ferrus Manus and of his legion.
I know that you did some videos on fanfictions and I would say that you would probably love this one too!
It is an alternate history where the Primarchs were never taken away from the Emperor prior to the Great Crusade thanks to the intervention of the God-Emperor of Mankind of the 41st millenium.
The author has his headcanon on the nature of Chaos, the Emperor and the War in Heaven that are so well made in my humble opinion that are now my point of view on this amazing narrative too.
I hope that you can give it a try and make a video about it if you like it!
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I'm happy that a lot of people, including MajorKill, is giving Iron hands the attention they deserve.
Can you do a video on what would have happened if the imperium didn’t become ultra religious and xenophobic after the emperor’s‘’ascension’’
The emperor would probably be severely weakened in the warp, and with more xeno allies and vassels, the imperium would be a better position in real space, but forced to deal with worse warp storms and other chaos fuckery
Well we know from the age of strife what would happen. The Xenos would have betrayed and butchered, enslaved or eaten a huge number of humans and carved out mini empires for themselves.
This is not Stat Trek. Different species do not, outside of very rare exceptions, hold hands and become friends. Humanities xenophobia is extremely justified.
@@pentacosttb2565 I think he means maybe a little less xenophobic
@@pentacosttb2565There are plenty of different animal species that get on with or at least tolerate each other, and several that actually help each other out with beneficial relationships.
@@xTheZapper we are not animals we are assholes and so are all the xenos.
I want ferrus and fulgrim to come back for round 2
I want to see what would have happened if the Beast had conquered Terra or the high lords surrendered to them
You can't really surrender to orks they'll just kill you anyway if the beast conquered terra the setting would end as there's not much else that would cause them any trouble
@@muffinfinfin9322 true the orks would just form a big empire then go ham against the Necrons and Tyranids. They'd probably wipe out or enslave the T'au as well
All I want in this life is to see a returned Ferrus Manus, wherein the living metal portions of his arms had kept a nanomachine network memory of the entirety of his body, as it was merged with Ferrus long ago. I imagine his head being slowly reconstructed in a dull, silvery sort of sheen. His memories would be intact, right up until the point his head was severed. Initially the body would be soulless until Ferrus's soul comes screaming out of the warp and slams back into his reanimated body, with the living metal head being somewhat incapable of fully handling the legion of the damned style soul that inhabits it. So it is constantly having to repair itself from the sheer warp fury that still emanates from Ferrus, which could cause an eerie green flame effect that occasionally licks up the side of his head.
Even just a drawing of that would be good enough. I don't care if I sound silly. It would be the most badass shit ever, and seeing a contemptuous tarnished silver headed Ferrus with his visage wreathed in ghostly green flame slowly squeeze the head off of his traitorous brother Fulgrim, his eyes all Total Recall, and his snake tongue hanging out is a dream I wish would come to reality, but will never happen unless I knew the writers. Oh well.
Plot twist: The Void Dragon is able to utilize Ferrus's new head to act as a conduit in to either partially, or fully control him, and attempts to use Ferrus to free itself from the labyrinth under Mars. Needless to elaborate, heavy shenanigans ensue.
Ferrus could come back as a vessel for a C’Tan, seeing how Medusa had heavy ties to the Necrons. We have many primarchs being vessels for the Chaos/immaterial Gods, it would be cool to see Ferrus as a vessel for the Order/material Gods. They could put him right next to the Eye of terror where he is in a perpetual fight with Chaos forces(in order to power the C’Tan). They could have the Iron Tenth fight their way across the galaxy in order to retrieve him. Have his reanimated form be completely comprised of Necrodemis, similar to Silver Surfer from Marvel.
@@warthog_almighty That is 100% dope, and I'm with that, but I'm curious about what you mean by "they could put him there". Who is they? Is Ferrus just completely C'Tan controlled, or is he more just kinda a compromised element that is loyal, or trying to be loyal still, but kinda suffers from a "I've got the C'Tan bipolar problem, and no meds, so just let me do what I can as my mind is subject to sudden onset destroyer cult madness at any ol time"?
Regardless, I feel the same way, and as an addendum I've always been a fan of Necron/Imperium tag team parties vs whoever, as in my mind they sorta operate on that similar Order-based perspective, even if in the end they are still opposing kingdoms.
I think it would be neat to see one of the named Necron overlords do the imperium a solid by "exorcising" the C'Tan from a possessed Ferrus, but of course only on the grounds that the Necrons absolutely cannot be having C'tan walking around, and fucking shit up again.
Funny conclusion, Ferrus, with the aide of a Necron overlord manages to override the C'tan in his brain, and then uses it to further power his body, like the Silent King powers his pimp throne. Food for thought.
I think there is also the chance this changes Dorn's fate, and Fabius Bile's. For Fabius, without Fulgrim getting possessed and thus pushing Fabius to look for arcane means to extend his life, Fabius dies sometime during or after the Heresy as he only had 1 Terran Year left in his lifespan at the time of the massacre. That was his own words and thoughts even with his biological tinkerings to himself. There would also be less Noise Marines and other weird mutant Marines that Fabius had a hand in running around, meaning that the Terminators of Manus would have less issues, even with the outnumbering. This could mean Manus has a chance at living (less Noise Marines means less enhanced Marines that can even take on Termies, which would allow Manus to escape with his troops. This is a bit more farfetched though...) but even if he doesn't, that changes the future of the Chaos Marines because it is through Bile that they have "stability" in their gene seed stock. Without him, they have to rely more on Chaos blessings, and we all know how that goes.
For Dorn, it could mean he survives the 1st Black Crusade. This is more butterfly effect than Bile, but it all stems from his anger and hatred towards Perty, and Perty's reciprocated feelings. So for the Traitor Primarchs, the only one not entirely Chaotic at the Siege was Perty. Everyone else was either a Chaos-Aide drinker or locked in a baby cage to use as a nuke. Without Fulgrim you have... Mortarion, Perty, Angron in the baby cage, a severely damaged (and newly chaotic) Magnus, and Horus. Without Fulgrim and his troops, you lose the extra coverage they give, and the fear that if you as say, Sanguinius or Khan leave the safety of the Fortress you have to fight a skilled Duelist. This forces Horus to HAVE to use Perty as siegemaster, or he leaves. I think he leaves faster if he isn't given this distinction and that power to lead, because his troops become the bulk that take the line for the lacking Children. If he is given this distinction and is allowed to fight properly, Dorn and he are fully dueling in their area of expertise, siege craft. I think the Loyalists still win (with a higher survivor count too) but it doesn't have the same emotional baggage for those two. Dorn was insulted by Perty's lack of siege attacks, and just wanton throwing of bodies at the wall, though we all know that Perty only did that cause Horus is a moron. Will Dorn still chase the Traitors? Definitely. Will he still attack the Eternal Fortress? Definitely. Will he think of it as a thing he has to do alone? I doubt it. He attacked it alone as it became the duel they needed to have. He doesn't have to do that this time around. He can wait for Girly Man and crush it easily. This means he has more to work with when the 1st Black Crusade happens, and he isn't mentally crippled from the ass kicking he got at the Eternal Fortress.
We would see a battle of Iron between Iron Hands and Iron Warriors
Finally, I've been wanting this video for ages
Fulgrim did appear once to Guillemin after he returned. When it was discovered the planetary governor of Macragge was a Slanneshi worship. Who put the Crown of Glories on Guillimen's head to tempt him.
I like to imagine ferris was a pure ball of death in that final fight like the emperor's children that went against him where just massacred
Actually really agree with this, I think regardless what happened on Istvan they would have been destined to face again, fulgrim for his vanitiy feerius for his anger and not being blind sided as much I think they'd definitely fight to a stale mate and feris would die, would have been alot more meaningful and interesting lore wise and to iron hand fans but then istvaan wouldn't have had the same impact. But really like these sort of videos that make you think
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Love what if lore stuff! Top notch content.
Your videos really helped me to make my own chapter fit the world way better
a majorkill post on my birthday? stars are aligning
I hope he is the next primarch to return with his head in a glass jar futurama style.
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You tryna tell us something Majorkill?
this is trippy I was wondering this when watching a previous video
We all know that last what if isnt a question. Cheers mate on almost getting to 500k.
I'm finishing up Fulgrim now so the timing on this vid is awesome
Love you Majorkill best 40k youtuber
Thank you, that was important for me!
I actually have an idea for an alternate timeline where Ferrus Manus kills Fulgrim during the Drop Site Massacre and manages to escape in the confusion. The rest of the Heresy plays out more or less as it did in the cannon, with the Imperium possibly in a slightly stronger position due to the Emperor's Children falling apart earlier, but in the aftermath a surviving Ferrus Manus is able to tip the balance of power among the remaining loyalist Primarchs and sides with Dorn against Guilliman. As a result, the evolution and development of the Imperium is sent down a very different trajectory that favours heavier centralisation and organisation instead of the more hands off decentralised space feudalism and, instead of becoming the HRE in Space, the Imperium becomes Space China.
Cool video majorkill
I like how the ads time perfectly after you say let's get into it xD
Your insight into Ferrus's potential impact on the Heresy storyline is intriguing in some way. However, am curious as to how this will impact other post-heresy stories. In particular, Fulgrim's potential involvement in the lore post-Heresy (encounters with Guilliman, Clonegrim, Rylanor...)
Noman has a series called heart of iron and it’s about a marauded iron warrior. It’s pretty good.
The flesh is weak! BUT DEEDS ENDURE!
I just finished Fulgrim, I needed this
How about a lore on the 5 segmentums and which key battles/events took place in each segmentum during and after the heresy
i fucking love Ferrus Manus.......... rip best boy
Another interesting concept would be Rylanor not knowing about Fulgrim's death and only attracting Magnus' attention with his beacon, potentially involving a conversation between the two
Please do a video on all the living saints
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I wonder what would’ve happened to Guilliman as fulgrim wouldn’t be around to poison him and put him into stasis
To touch on the khorne sanguinius artwork(the full picture is awesome, as is the loyalist part), the other 3 dedicated to major gods are as follows: leman russ to tzeentch, jaghatai khan to nurgle and ferrus manus to slaanesh (all 3 choices are bit confusing, to me at least), not sure who would be first heretic(my guess vulkan or corax, bcs the're demon princes there, and remaining primarchs (lion, guilliman and rogal dorn don't look as chaosy).
The Iron Hands are the epitome of 40k irony as Ferrus never wanted his sons to reject their flesh and humanity, but because of his blind rage they strive to be more machine than man. Just as a man that wanted the imperial "truth" to be a rejection of religion and an embracement of science is now worshipped as a god.
"What if I enjoy being pegged?" Made me spit out my coffee.
So, interesting point about if Fulgrim was killed by Ferrus at any point: what would that have freed up Dorne to be able to do during the Siege of Terra? Would he have been able to dedicate more time to shoring up his defenses? Would it mean he would have been able to accompany Big E and Sanguinius into the fight against Horus? Seems like that could have led to some BIG changes.
Damn I was only half-listening and the "what if i enjoy getting pegged" had my eyes actually watering.
Ferrus being brought back as a soul possessing a living metal body. Like a imperial C’tan shard
One of the main what ifs I like to think about is what if the traitors and loyalists were flipped. With Horus, Magnus, Angron, Mortarion, Fulgrim, Lorgar, Perturabo, and Curze now being the good boi loyalists and Ferrus, Sanguinius, the Lion, Jaghatai Khan, Leman Russ, Rogal Dorn, Roboute Guilliman, Vulkan, and Corvus Corax now the heretic and chaotic traitors. With this being such a big change there's much to think about like how each one of the new traitors would fall, who would live or die, and how everything will turn out in the aftermath.
With regards to the speculation about Fulgrim taking longer to be possessed in the Laer blade, that would've had an effect on Molech as well. Without Fulgrim ascending when he did, Horus would mostly likely not have a means to corrupt House Devine and taking down the imperator titan that was defending Molech would've been more difficult if it was backed up by a bunch of imperial knights. If Horus failed at Molech, then he would not have been empowered by Chaos like he was.
yea mate the smile when he said "what if i enjoy getting pegged?" was probably a fat clue😂
Angel Exterminatus is possibly my favourite 40k novel. I hate the imperium but Sharrowkin is an absolute badass and one of my favourite characters in the entire 40k universe.
Horus would have been most displeased
Horus gambit failed even with all that DID go right. If anything more went wrong he would have just lost quicker
Horus failed because the lore needed it to happen.
@Chuck that and he tried to wage a entire galactic spanning war in only like 7 years
Only just now getting into the Iron Hands, so this video came at a good time
I love the idea of the Keys of Hel for the Iron Hands. An Iron Hands survivor of the Istvan massacre was using some dark age tech to bring back zombie Iron Hands.
A ferrus survival combined with a fulgrim redemption arch would have been sooooo good. Instead of samguinius dying to horus it could have been fulgrim in an attempt to redeem himself after years of being untrusted by his brothers during the siege of terra.
I'm hoping you could make a video featuring elite squads in each faction and how they fare
Totally not a Warhammer comment but just wanted to give you a shoutout MajorKill for popping up in my Australia Post training Video for AP way 26. A lot of people thought you were a young Ian Thorpe but I knew the truth 😜 keep up the good work legend
I still want Manus to come back as a Necron experiment, like how dope would it be if he came back but at a preator or whatever the blanks turned into necrons are called. I still think an Iron Hands necron fusion army in canon would shake everything up and be awesome, especially if somehow it cemented a really rocky relationship between the Imperium and The Necrons.
I would LOVE for that lore to have been the case. Ferrus is my favourite primarch next to Perty
Can't imagine the White Scars having less things to shoot at during the seige being bad for the loyalist cause.
You know who did survive the massacre and possibly deserves a video? Cassius Vaughn, the “Twice Dead”. First Lord Commander of the Salamanders, eventually turned into a unique Dreadnought, then named as an avatar of the omnissiah. Seems pretty cool.
I have accidentally conditioned myself to eat Subway when watching Majorkill. Now every time I eat that stuff I wanna watch and vice versa, interesting how the human mind works.
I mean… do you enjoy getting pegged, Mr Kill?
I'd still like to propose what would happen if Magus never broke the webway. If he knew Horus would turn traitor and would instead head towards Terra in a hurry, he'd be a much bigger threat to Horus and be a target for the Chaos legions.
With the webway not broken, the Emperor and his Custodes would also be far more free to fight and partake in the heresy, not having to deal with the unleashed daemons and the broken golden throne... bad times for the traitors
Well now you're just teasing the Iron Hands with this hahaha
Another unforseen side effect would be that rylanor would be on istvaan waiting for no reason because fulgrim would already be dead, which is really sad to think about.
I, Cato Sicarius, former captain of the Ultramarines 2nd Company and current commander of the Victrix Honour Guard, Master of the Watch, Knight Champion of Macragge, Grand Duke of Talassar and High Suzerain of Ultramar, declare that I, Cato Sicarius, should receive the honour of having a dedicated video detailing my many victories.
"They are not my hands. This fact is forgotten by my brothers -- inexplicably, it has always seemed to me. The hands are strong, to be sure, and have created great things for us all, but they are not mine. And that counts for something. They forget that the silver on my arms comes from a beast that I vanquished. It is the mark of a great evil that I ended, and yet it persists within me... I would struggle to remove it now... I will not remove the silver from my flesh because I have learned to depend on it. The fault is with my mind. I rely on the augmentation given to me by my metal gauntlets, so much so that the flesh beneath them is now little more than a distant memory... A day will come when I will strip it from me, lest I lose the power to master myself forever. Already my Legion's warriors replace their shield hands with metal in my honour, and so they too are learning to doubt the natural strength of their bodies. They must be weaned off this practice before it becomes a mania for them. Hatred of what is natural, of what is human, is the first and greatest of the corruptions. So I record it here: when the time comes, I will strip my hands of their unnatural silver. I will instruct my Legion to recant their distrust of the flesh. I will turn them away from the gifts of the machine and bid them relearn the mysteries of flesh, bone and blood. When my father's Crusade is over, this shall be my sacred task. When the fighting is done, I shall cure my Legion and myself. For if fighting is all there is, if we may never pause to reflect on what such devotion to strength is doing to us, then our compulsion will only grow."
"You are all my sons, and the fires of the forge burn as hot in your hearts as they do in mine. Chain them, master them, and you shall wield a deadly weapon. But allow them to rule you, and you shall be lost."
"They worship the strength of the machine and see the flesh as weak. They look down upon humans are flawed and ignorant, and kill their own emotions so that they will be more efficient warriors. All this, they do because they believe their weakness resulted in the death of their Primarch. If only he could see them now, his suffering would please the Dark Gods even more than his death at his brother's hand did ..."
From an Eldar Oracle on the Iron Hands.
I think that the Iron Hands would be better off without all that technological-cybernetic transhumanism from which their own Primarch had tried in every way to defend them.
Many of them have fallen to Chaos (Slaanesh-Nurgle) because of that!
They would look like simple but tough blacksmiths-warriors, exactly as Ferrus Manus wished.
Even better: they become just like the Sons of Antaeus!
But if they really insist, they do transform their arms to make them metallic, in imitation of their father, but through the volcanic mud of their homeworld.
(Ferrus Manus unites the clans of Medusa, which once united become one strong clan with the name of Ironhand Clan, in his honor and with his symbol)
The Iron Hands learn to tame and command the great Bulls of Medusa (spiked beasts).
A Battle Cry that is no longer "The Flesh is Weak!" but rather "Deeds Endure!".
Remember when I said that the Iron Hans become like the Sons of Antaeus?
Well Ferrus Manus strengthens his geneseed, with his sons becoming unbeatable just like the Sons of Antaeus.
In a word, perfect!
(To also defend them from their blind obsession)