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  • @BellTunnel
    @BellTunnel Před 4 lety +176

    Approximately 1,400 were made; today, only 2,000 exist!

    • @BCTGuitarPlayer
      @BCTGuitarPlayer Před 4 lety +1

      BELL TUNNEL: don’t you mean 2000 made; 1400 exist?

    • @beano2266
      @beano2266 Před 4 lety

      There are fake bursts out there, such as retopped 50’s goldtops and other les pauls.

    • @BlindTom61
      @BlindTom61 Před 2 lety +1

      @@BCTGuitarPlayer Duh dude...

  • @JakobSeidl
    @JakobSeidl Před 4 lety +44

    Yeah I think Joe has more than 1400

    • @littleredguitars2
      @littleredguitars2 Před 4 lety +2

      he mentioned on IG recently that he has 13.

    • @charlesbolton8471
      @charlesbolton8471 Před 4 lety +4

      60s Addict I sincerely think it’s on Joe’s “Bucket List” to be able to say that he has owned everyone that Gibson made.

    • @DMSProduktions
      @DMSProduktions Před 4 lety +1

      @@charlesbolton8471 I bet Hammet won't sell him Greenie! ;oP

    • @charlesbolton8471
      @charlesbolton8471 Před 4 lety +2

      DMSProduktions You’re probably right about that, but Joe is 15 years younger so in all likelihood he will out live Kirk. Joe will also have to bring a lot of money to the table when Jimmy Page dies, and then there’s Billy Gibbons to consider.

    • @DMSProduktions
      @DMSProduktions Před 4 lety +2

      @@charlesbolton8471 True! He WOULD bid for them for sure! But at least with JB, you know those instruments will get PLAYED!

  • @innocentoctave
    @innocentoctave Před 4 lety +50

    As an explanation of why a 'Burst is so expensive, 'it just is' isn't good enough. The real answer is the same as for any collectible: wealthy potential buyers competing over a small number of desirable status objects. I wonder how many of these instruments are now owned by people who don't even play, but have bought them as investments, or for bragging rights?

    • @buckodonnghaile4309
      @buckodonnghaile4309 Před 4 lety +6

      The question is what will they be worth in 30 years when the next generation of wealthy collectors come along? The 60s and 70s are getting farther away in the rear view mirror and will the next generation care about their grandparents guitar gods or the mystique of their instruments? If they don't I wouldn't blame them. it's hard to feel nostalgic for a time decades before your birth.

    • @yetanotherbassdude
      @yetanotherbassdude Před 4 lety +5

      @@buckodonnghaile4309tell that to any owner of a Stradivarius violin. While I agree that the crazy prices of a lot of vintage gear may not last, there's something that's just too iconic about the original Bursts that sets them apart. I just wish Burst owners could take a leaf out of the Strad owners playbook and start lending out their original instruments to musicians deemed worthy so that they can be heard in public again. There will come a time when all 1,000 or so examples will be in the hands of collectors, and if they just stay in glass cabinets, we're all worse off.

    • @strat0871
      @strat0871 Před 4 lety +1

      Same for old Ferrari's that never go out of the garage..Just speculation, ok, rarity and sought over raises the prices, but now it's really toooo much.

    • @shaft9000
      @shaft9000 Před 4 lety +1

      "it just is" = "you suckers aren't supposed to understand economics/markets"

    • @Wargasm644
      @Wargasm644 Před 4 lety +2

      I’ve got 1300 of them. Never played one. Just stroke my beard and laugh.

  • @dandyroll7610
    @dandyroll7610 Před rokem +2

    I bought my 2004 Les Paul Standard probably very influenced by all those big names that have had that guitar in their hands. My record collection was suspiciously full of photos of that artifact. I have to say that it is a wonderful instrument. I took out the burstbuckers that I had brought and simply put in two 57 classic. It's a perfect sunburst guitar. In looks and sound. He will go with me to the end.

  • @markmarsh27
    @markmarsh27 Před 4 lety +5

    My Custom Shop '59 Burst Reissue was expensive as hell, but I've amortized it -- the 9000 times I've played it have only cost me a dollar each. .... fair enough

    • @largecoke4087
      @largecoke4087 Před 2 lety

      I bought a 2nd hand one in brand new condition for less than 3900. Which comes to 44ish cents per session (for 9000 sessions).
      Except if I ever decide to sell it, which I won't, I can sell it for 3900 once again. So it can be free of any costs. In which case it's a profit because I get/gain all the hours of playing for free, and then I sell it for the same price I bought it for.

  • @NSalonen
    @NSalonen Před 4 lety +98

    Joe Bonamassa owns them all anyway.

    • @rustyjohnson8431
      @rustyjohnson8431 Před 4 lety

      Shots fired haha

    • @littleredguitars2
      @littleredguitars2 Před 4 lety +4

      he recently said on IG that he has 13 at the moment.

    • @matth2868
      @matth2868 Před 4 lety +2

      @@littleredguitars2 59s or just bursts?

    • @shaft9000
      @shaft9000 Před 4 lety +6

      All that 'magic' and I'm still trying to think of one great (original) JoeBo song...having trouble. Help me out here, guys.

    • @matth2868
      @matth2868 Před 4 lety +3

      @@shaft9000 he's better with Black Country Communion. So many roads is a pretty cool tune and the one that turned me on to him. I've seen him live and it wasn't anything to write home about. Guy's a monster player but I find his songs less than inspiring. When he's with BCC, he's much more interesting to watch.

  • @modestoney1577
    @modestoney1577 Před 4 lety +11

    i love my 900€ Edwards Jimmy Page Les Paul. And i don´t need a safe or bodyguards for it.

  • @JIMJAMSC
    @JIMJAMSC Před 4 lety +2

    I was 17 when Van Halen 1 dropped in 78 which was a momentous day in itself. But the really incredible thing was my guitar pal Joey wanted to sell his Gibson his father gave him. It was "nerdy" and old fashion". I ended up buying a Explorer and he got a SG. I later found out that LP was a 58 or 59 and his dad sold it for $1500. He wanted 2 grand but it needed new strings and the case was scratched up.

    • @darwinsaye
      @darwinsaye Před rokem

      That was a realistic and fair price for a 50s Les Paul back then. $250,000 for one today is Not.

  • @Nickpaflas
    @Nickpaflas Před 4 lety +17

    High demand, low supply

    • @aquilarossa5191
      @aquilarossa5191 Před 4 lety

      More than that. If it was just supply and demand the 58 Burst would fetch the highest price because there is less of them. It doesn't. Commodity fetishism seems to be at play in this one.

    • @BoozyBeggar
      @BoozyBeggar Před 4 lety

      Communists can't into economics.

    • @Nickpaflas
      @Nickpaflas Před 4 lety

      @@aquilarossa5191 Point well made.

  • @BoozyBeggar
    @BoozyBeggar Před 4 lety +2

    I have a 2004 USA made PRS McCarty, a 2014 Korean SE245, a 2019 Chinese Epiphone Les Paul Plus Top, and a 2016 Jackson Indonesian Soloist. They're all great. Some needed a bit of adjustments here and there, but I really can't tell you that the McCarty objectively sounds better than the others. I do prefer its tone a little over the Epi, but that's just taste in pickups near as I can tell, and I wouldn't change the ProBuckers in the Epi to a set of old McCartys, because then I'd lose the PB tones.
    There's never been a better time to buy a more affordable guitar than right now, and next year it'll be the same. They'll probably start bringing rosewood back to the lower end fretboards, too, since CITES removed it from endangered.

  • @davedger
    @davedger Před 4 lety +2

    I love these videos with Joe. We really need for the Coffee Talk with Joe videos to make a comeback.

  • @khkartc
    @khkartc Před rokem +1

    The real intrigue is how many bursts might still be out there in closets or garages. One would think at least a few more of them are extant, but, like Stradivarius violins, the passage of time renders it increasingly unlikely.

  • @shaft9000
    @shaft9000 Před 4 lety +5

    *pre-Norlin* should be in the title, as Gibson has been making bursts every year since the late '60s.

    • @shaft9000
      @shaft9000 Před 4 lety +6

      oh, and NONE of the classic records of the 60s and 70s were made by insisting on 40+ yr old instruments to get the best sound. On the contrary, top players customarily had a luthier build them a new instrument. They disn't say "you luthiers working today are all worthless to me because ancient instruments are always better".
      The topper is that Gibson may well have been long gone since the late-80s, if it weren't for Slash's popularity. A guy that didn't even use a real Gibson (let alone a burst, lol!) on AFD. It was a mid-;80s copy.
      The ruse is very real. It's (almost) entirely market speculator/investor fluff.
      It is fueled by crap like this: "those bursts' wood is SUPER SPECIAL and won't ever return" - meanwhile advances in biotech is making it possible to engineer the structure of wood to grow however they want it to, in any density and figuring, and in a multitude of forms. Sounds weird, but In the near future we will be able to "grow a guitar" or "grow a table" without having to go through the trouble of assembling/cutting/gluing any of the wood.

    • @jerrymorganjr
      @jerrymorganjr Před 4 lety +2

      They didn't spray the sunburst finish in 68 or 69 on Les Paul's though. The sunburst finishes go way way way back at Gibson though.

    • @Avalanche1368
      @Avalanche1368 Před 4 lety +1

      Gibson didn't start making Les Paul Standards again with the cherry burst finish until the1980's. They did Les Paul Customs in a burst finish in the late 1960's bt inexplicably, they never manufactured what folks really wanted until the 80's and even then they weren't great copies like they do today.. they did gold tops with P90's, LP's with mini humbuckers, but they ignored the standard with a burst finish.....No one can figure out why..

  • @jackploch597
    @jackploch597 Před 4 lety +5

    Make a video on dumbles!

  • @punkmusicmetal
    @punkmusicmetal Před 4 lety +4

    Thanks for making this video. Jokes about Joe Bonamassa aside, this is a great piece of history. Great for us Gibson nerds. Do more videos like this!

  • @gkol69
    @gkol69 Před 4 lety +8

    “Value has a value only if its value is valued.”
    -Bryan Dyson (Coca Cola CEO, 1986-1991)
    The value of an item is determined by how much people are willing to pay for it.

    • @johnhickey2128
      @johnhickey2128 Před 4 lety +1

      This is very true and should be kept in mind.

    • @tonyscreations7904
      @tonyscreations7904 Před 4 lety +2

      very true , but i think this guitar breaks that rule and by the mid 90;s took flight of it own no matter what it going to go up and up

    • @gkol69
      @gkol69 Před 4 lety +1

      @@tonyscreations7904 The rule means that everything is worth what people are willing to pay for it. If they don't it doesn't worth it and the price goes down.

    • @johnhickey2128
      @johnhickey2128 Před 4 lety +2

      @@gkol69 Yes, in all fairness a beautiful guitar is priceless to someone who really wants it. I personally regret selling quite a few wonderful guitars in the past. Thinking back I really miss them. Thanks so much!

  • @ViddyWellBrother
    @ViddyWellBrother Před 4 lety +4

    Nice video, but what about all of the other fascinating bits of information - i.e, all bursts began as Cherry Sunburst and then faded or darkened (depending on many variables) to create at least 8 different, unintentional but welcome finishes (Honeyburst, Lemonburst, Tobacco, Bourbon, etc), before the red pigment was finally stabilised in 1960. And, what about mentioning why the 'Burst was introduced in the first place (to make them more desirable), and why the model was actually discontinued in 1960 (because sales were still declining). All of these bits of history are part of the incredible story of what has become one of the most coveted, most expensive, and most desirable electric guitars in the world.

    • @Megarobotsquadron
      @Megarobotsquadron Před 4 lety +1

      This is definitely a major part of the magic.
      We also need to stress the fact that after 1960, they didn't make them until the late 60's. I know he said that, but it needs to be said again

    • @ViddyWellBrother
      @ViddyWellBrother Před 4 lety +1

      @@Megarobotsquadron Yes, they didn't restart production of the Les Paul - the model we all know and love as the Les Paul, not to be confused with the Les Paul/SG - until 1968. But due to changes in design and production methods they were never quite the same. Yet another reason the '58-'60 originals are so sought after.

    • @Megarobotsquadron
      @Megarobotsquadron Před 4 lety

      @@ViddyWellBrother when did they start the two piece laminated mahogany bodies? I k ow that many of the 70's bodies were like that

    • @malcolmhardwick4258
      @malcolmhardwick4258 Před 4 lety +1

      And the goldtops that became bursts ☺

  • @Pandamasque
    @Pandamasque Před 4 lety +3

    The 250 GTO of guitars.

  • @thezosokid
    @thezosokid Před 4 lety +2

    This by far the most interesting math problem I ever encountered.

  • @OspreyEye
    @OspreyEye Před 4 lety +1

    I think Reverb should make a similar video about the Pussy Melter distortion pedal from the band Steel Panther. It would be a good way for them to apologize to Glenn Fricker for them being such petty little jerks and pulling out of a fundraiser for dying animals because he was there. I might consider buying off reverb again as well.

  • @jamesortiz5388
    @jamesortiz5388 Před 4 lety +1

    Thanks Reverb!

  • @_RLP
    @_RLP Před 4 lety

    Cool video. Would've enjoyed it even more if it were longer, with a little more depth, but still very cool. Do more like these: pre-cbs strats and Teles, dumbles, klons, 80s tubescreamers etc...

  • @satinwhip
    @satinwhip Před 4 lety +2

    A lot of goldtops were stripped and refinished sunburst.

    • @emilxert
      @emilxert Před 4 lety +1

      satinwhip proof?

    • @ryanboshell6124
      @ryanboshell6124 Před 4 lety

      satinwhip nope.

    • @iMadrid11
      @iMadrid11 Před 4 lety +1

      Goldtops came in plain maple top. It doesn’t have that 2 figured book matched flame maple top veneer. So stripping a goldtop into a sunburst will not recreate the same paint finish.

    • @dumbdickler670
      @dumbdickler670 Před 4 lety

      @@iMadrid11 doesn't matter, people still did it. Ever hear of a '59 conversion?

  • @TheRnB69
    @TheRnB69 Před 4 lety +3

    Ancient aliens guy 😂😂

  • @jerrymorganjr
    @jerrymorganjr Před 4 lety +1

    I'm buying one soon.

  • @gregwilson2721
    @gregwilson2721 Před 3 lety

    as for value, do the math, everyone that has bought a burst since 1970 and later resold it make a good sized profit. people will still be saying they arent worth the money when these guitars are selling for a million five. and later 5 million. i watched them go from 10k in 1990 for an all original flametop to 350k now 31 years later. someone do the math for me for a value 31 years from now?

  • @louiscox8533
    @louiscox8533 Před 4 lety +1

    The video I’ve been waiting for

  • @gryzew
    @gryzew Před 4 lety +2

    I think doing a video on them and not mentioning that almost every part of the whole is not possible to reproduce today is crazy. You can't get Brazilian rosewood, they can't get a set of PAFs replicas to pass a blind sound test, even the bridge and tailpiece are made with different metals and sound different when replaced on same guitar. And there's all the potentiometers, capacitors, wood glues, nut nylon, wire alloy etc. etc. The moment a replica is commonly available that looks, sounds and feels as the real deal when compared side by side, the Burst bubble pops.

  • @HumbertoNalves
    @HumbertoNalves Před 4 lety +1

    Great

  • @bldlightpainting
    @bldlightpainting Před 3 lety +2

    As collectible and generally wonderful pieces of art these musical instruments are, price always comes down to what you are willing to pay for it, and obviously there are people with a much higher figure in their bank account then their IQ score, so yeah, they will pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a guitar that only originally sold for a few hundred or so.

  • @jayyy1041
    @jayyy1041 Před 4 lety

    Does anyone know if there are any differences at all between a tobacco burst and a sunburst other than cosmetics?

  • @BCTGuitarPlayer
    @BCTGuitarPlayer Před 4 lety

    Les Paul told Gibson get my name off of that thing, which of course is the SG.

  • @SDPickups
    @SDPickups Před 4 lety +2

    Except the tops were NOT "hand carved." Gibson used a large carving machine that used a physical 3D carving template. They were automatically carved this way, THEN hand sanded and finished.

  • @jlat420
    @jlat420 Před rokem

    I have a Gibson 400c burst looking to sell

  • @glenkepic3208
    @glenkepic3208 Před 4 lety

    Crazy to think Joe Walsh gave (sold ?) a burst to Jimmy Page.

  • @aarondavis4341
    @aarondavis4341 Před 4 lety

    Wasn't the SG the Gibson version of the strat?

  • @TheTubeDude
    @TheTubeDude Před 4 lety +2

    It's all hype. But that's ok.

  • @jltrem
    @jltrem Před 3 lety

    You didn't say there was going to be math.

  • @michaelr.4878
    @michaelr.4878 Před 7 měsíci

    Don't tell anyone.. but I have 10 of these. I keep them in my helicopter.

  • @joshofofw945
    @joshofofw945 Před 4 lety

    Many legendary guitar player used these but those are shaved neck to make it thin .

  • @theincrediblebulk1971
    @theincrediblebulk1971 Před 4 lety

    1722

  • @andrescolasanti
    @andrescolasanti Před 4 lety

    is this Les Paul a "real burst"?

  • @BlueberryStinkFinger62
    @BlueberryStinkFinger62 Před 4 lety +1

    And dont forget the shitty quality and weak headstocks and constant repairs that's a Gibson

  • @DBCisco
    @DBCisco Před 4 lety +1

    Gibson only made 'burst' LPs between 1958 and 1960 ? WTF ?

    • @dansands6363
      @dansands6363 Před 4 lety +2

      The original ones. These are what the video is all about. After that, the Les Paul in a sunburst finish didn't come back until 1968. And these guitars are nowhere near the same as an original 58-60 burst.

    • @DBCisco
      @DBCisco Před 4 lety

      @@dansands6363 Define "Original" is that like "Play Authentic" ? The "Original Les Paul"was invented by Appleton in the 40s and Gibson stole it.

    • @davidburke2132
      @davidburke2132 Před 4 lety

      DB Cisco I see someone has been reading fairy stories again. 😜 Interesting take on the Les Paul origins though... most people who have a conspiracy theory think that Les Paul developed it all himself or that it was made by Epiphone. Nice to see that someone has picked up on a single cutaway guitar which was conceived before the Gibson Les Paul and whist it is clearly different in shape and construction to the Gibson Les Paul you’ve put two and two together and got approximately a million.
      The honest truth is that Gibson didn’t believe in the concept of a solid body electric guitar and it’s why they laughed both Appleton and Les Paul out of the room when they brought their ideas to them. However, when Fender started having success with the Esquire and Telecaster Gibson realised it wasn’t such a stupid idea after all, realised they needed to compete and developed their own solid body, consulting to some extent (to exactly what extent depends on whose story you believe) with Les Paul himself.

    • @tonyscreations7904
      @tonyscreations7904 Před 4 lety

      @@davidburke2132 les paul should be credited with the 335 not the paul , the log was a semi hollow the solid body was a dog bone given to les paul

    • @davidburke2132
      @davidburke2132 Před 4 lety

      tonys creations To some extent I agree, but to give Les Paul credit for the genius design that is the ES-335 would constitute a big show of disrespect to Ted McCarty who, I my view, was the true genius of Gibson in this era and widely credited with the design of the ES-335 along with overseeing the introduction of guitars like the Les Paul, Flying V, Explorer, SG, etc.

  • @ICACJ
    @ICACJ Před 4 lety +2

    kwik maffs.

    • @harshlands
      @harshlands Před 4 lety

      You gonna do any of the newer hitman content, man? NYC or the Maldeves one thats comin' out..

  • @thebreakfastmenu
    @thebreakfastmenu Před 4 lety +1

    You guys should do a video on the Appleton APP guitar.
    The first true inventor of the Les Paul that Gibson stole the idea from. He was local and it frustrates me that so few people know about him even where I live.

  • @oak1931
    @oak1931 Před 4 lety +6

    40 seconds of children maths was unnecessary to explain

  • @fostexfan160
    @fostexfan160 Před 4 lety

    The next thing to be faked in this category must surely be the lost daybooks from the Gibson factory?

  • @pjkpjk4709
    @pjkpjk4709 Před 4 lety +1

    Hey Man, don't know if you were aware but there was a ghost that looked exactly like you behind you writing what you said on the white board. Pretty freaky stuff...

  • @Dad-Gad
    @Dad-Gad Před 4 lety

    Mahogany body , mahogany neck , long tenon , 8k alnico 2 pickups , 50s wiring , Sperzel locking tuners , Gotoh bridge , Faber tailpiece . $$$$$$$$ .... ? No it's a modded Harley Benton that can eat most Gibson's for breakfast . Total cost £250 . Do it yourself and build from the body up 👍

    • @LfunkeyA
      @LfunkeyA Před 4 lety

      dunno, still prefer a good deal on a reissue

  • @racso121
    @racso121 Před 4 lety

    The sausage is in your hands my friend! just find a decent equipment :)

  • @toomanywaystofall
    @toomanywaystofall Před 4 lety +2

    The guitar is what it is - not too many produced - supply and demand - who plays or played them resulting in popularity of said band - the aesthetic value (beauty in the eyes of the beholder) - price gouging? - precedence setting by who paid what especially those owners with celebrity status - it goes on and on - bottom line it's a popular model of guitar from a company that has been in the guitar making business a long time - as far as who plays them? the joe blow amassa's out there are just people too, big deal - they can make a shoe stink like anyone else. What about it Gibson - a round of bursts for everyone!

  • @stevejohnston2715
    @stevejohnston2715 Před rokem

    That's funny, a Gen Z guitar player trying to explain math...don't hurt yourself.

  • @TheRichie213
    @TheRichie213 Před 3 lety

    None of them are worth the money they sell for.

  • @kimseniorb
    @kimseniorb Před 4 lety +3

    Who gives a crap

  • @prsplayer210
    @prsplayer210 Před 4 lety +3

    they cost so much not because of how good they re, but the snake oil rubes have bought into

    • @shaft9000
      @shaft9000 Před 4 lety +4

      oh, oh, oh...but...but..."the wood they were made from was ****super-special**** and no trees can ever sound as good as those trees did ever agaaaaaaain"

  • @JammyGit
    @JammyGit Před 4 lety +1

    Even though I love guitars, I wouldn't buy a burst even if I had the money. If I did theoretically have about half a million quid I COULD buy myself a very nice home indeed and still have enough money left over to buy myself a top quality guitar that would play better than any Gibson Les Paul, burst or not.
    I already own a Gibson Les Paul anyway, so with half a million to my name and the fact that I live a fairly modest lifestyle, I reckon I could live on half a million for the rest of my life and never want for anything.
    So at the end of the day, if I did have half a million and I weighed up my options....burst or house or a lifetime of security.....then for me, only a fool or a multi millionaire would pay that much for a burst.
    Besides, my dream guitar is a Gretsch Penguin anyway, in Cadillac Green, and with the gold hardware. I'd take one of those over any modern production guitar. 👍

  • @KilaKrumpira
    @KilaKrumpira Před 4 lety

    I find the host repulsive. I just do.

  • @freq9939
    @freq9939 Před 4 lety

    Yeah but they're boring and expensive. I respect anyone who played them amazingly and had amazing tone but it's been done. Find something else that's inspiring

  • @svtman93
    @svtman93 Před 4 lety

    First!