How to fight Tigers - Tactics & Weaknesses
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- How did the Soviets and Western Allies deal with Panzer VI Tiger? There were different approaches like tactics, but also exploiting weaknesses or limiting the combat effectiveness of the Tiger. This video explains various methods used, their effectiveness and in many cases refers directly primary sources.
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Wilbeck, Christopher W.: Sledgehammers. Strengths and Flaws of Tiger Tank Battalions in World War II. The Aberjona Press: Bedford, PA, USA, 2004.
War Department: Intelligence Bulletin Vol. III, No. 05, Washington D.C., USA, January 1945
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Camo-Reference from Tank Encyclopedia, Illustrations by David Bocquelet
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Thank you for this video. My school district had a problem with school buses being ambushed by Tigers on the highways. Now every school bus is equipped with 4 Bren Machine Guns and 1 17 pounder anti tank gun to deal with them. Havent had a tiger problem since.
Pocket drones for air cover?
Concealed carry LMG?
As a battalion S-2 safety officer, I recommend your district to change the 17pounder to a 152mm gun or ATGM launcher.
Wrong,being kv2
Its amazing that they still survived 17 Pounder & 152 MM Gun's ?
It’s really admirable that you made a whole new video rather than just an annotation.
Well, they were removed long ago, annotations that is.
But yeah, he could have just made a pinned comment and left it at that, but a lot of people won't check that stuff, so it's good that he re-did the video a bit x)
@@LinucNerd Wait, they've removed annotations? Why?
@@mcglynn20 I don't know, CZcams just decided to remove them... I think it was around may the 1st 2018.
It takes a brave man (or woman) to admit his mistakes. It takes a dedicated man to remove (potentially) 100s of hours of work because it's wrong and not only that but put *even* more work uploading a corrected version up.
People sometimes say that you should never apologise, never show weakness, those are people with no integrity. Don't trust those people, this guy has integrity he can be trusted.
Thats some proper german way of doing things! Straight up admireable!
"What is the best way to deal with the Tiger."
Have a superior economy, wartime production and complete air support.
The problem was that even if every Tiger destroyed 15 Shermans that wasn't really a win. The US could build more than 15 Shermans for every Tiger. Shermans were rolling off assembly lines in auto factories and Tigers were hand made.
A lot of the Shermans simply had the crew killed. The shells would go straight through. They'd patch the holes and paint over the blood and send it back out.
@@Arigator2 Alot of shermans simpled had the crew killed? What? I don't understand this statement. The sherman had one of if not the highest crew survival rates of the war
@@chadjustice8560 - That is a silly statement. Most Shermans never even saw a German tank. It's like saying that German fighter pilots were superior because they shot down more planes each. Of course they did most American pilots couldn't even find a German plane.
@@Arigator2 You do know the Americans were not the only ones to us the sherman right? As a whole it has the highest because the British and Russians used it so the Sherman's saw plenty of enemy amour.
@@Arigator2
That's wrong, the survival rate for Sherman crewmen was higher than any other combat job in the ETO, it was higher than Infantry and even aircrews, the fact is most of the time a Sherman got knocked out the crew or at least most of them survived, and those are percentages not overall numbers.
Good tutorial, but you're like 76 years late.
Ene gene but you never know
It’s the thought that counts
Maybe usefull when time traveling is a thing.
Useful in World of Tanks though.
@@foxdavion6865 war thunder is better
Bruh instructions unclear, was eaten
The real secrete to defeating these kitties was the Mark 2 Spray Bottle equipped with a canister of liquid H20.
Secrete
Brilliant. And effective.
Kv2
“Sherman runs away from the tiger, and then grabs his new bottle labeled 17-pounder. He ambushes the cat with the bottle and drives it off, away from his food.”
EndlesNights I don’t get it
Soviet strategy was basically
"If hitting it isn't working... *THEN HIT IT HARDER!"*
When in doubt, throw more troops at it!
The hand of comrade Stalin will strike your enemy, no worries
@@axelmilan4292 In this case, more heavy artillery shells
SirMan McDude load a flamethrower with vodka
If 76mm doesn't work use 85m. if that doesn't work use 122mm if that doesn't work use 152mm if that doesn't work just wait for it to break down.
Dakka?
I see, you are a man of culture aswell.
is there such a thing as enough dakka?
@@certaindeath7776 Never, moar dakka
How to defeat a TIGER:
1) Grab a pocket laser light.
2) Turn it on in front of the Tiger.
3) Move it in a zig-zag path towards the Anti-Tank gun hidden in the forest, it would be tempting to move it towards your Comrade Commissair, it is NOT recomended but a posibility if you are in for a good laugh.
4) Watch the kitten reach the Valhala for being distracted by a red dot in the grass.
That's true, except there was T-60 light tank instead of red dot and it was a real wartime episode.
You have just confirmed that you are my favorite CZcams historian! Correcting your first video on the subject shows a great deal of ethical responsibility that is often lacking in the historical community. Kudos to you, as a much older gentleman, I am proud to be a patreon supporter. Keep up the great content!
John Schnarr Since you like this guy, look up “The History Guy” on YT. You won’t be disappointed.
Years ago I read an autobiography of a NZ tank crewman of his experiences in Italy. He recalled that his unit did not use AP or HE against Tigers but used smoke, preferably the US round rather than the British one. His preference for US smoke rounds was that the smoke produced was thicker and stayed at ground level longer than the British round His story was the smoke would get inside and choke the crew. Side effects were to point out the Tigers position to everyone and make it a bullet magnet.
@John Cornell
Have you heard of the term 'mission kill'? That is, you prevent the enemy from conducting the mission they want. Any way I wasn't there, I am only relating an entry in a book written by a guy who was.
"if you run into tiger in your way to school..." a man can wish. a man can wish...
I had to settle for just an old Krupp 7.7cm from WW1 outside my old school....but it was awsome.
@big ian Pfft, all you need is an Achilles
Just here for the algorithm, and out of respect for the way you corrected your mistake.
thank you, there is also at least 1 minute more new information in there.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized yeah, just noticed :D thanks for the reminder tho! You are doing great work!
As if there was not enough cat videos on the internet!
MOAR CATS!!!!
Germany was prohibited from making tanks, so they disguised them as zoo purchases. "We're not building tanks. We're buying cuddly cats to make petting zoos."
Of course, sufficient one armed children were also produced to complete the ruse.
That's for sure!
"What should you do if you come across a Tiger in the jungle?"
"Wipe it off and apologise".
hahaha classic!
Yes Matt is right . Great Tactic .
i dont get it
Sooo...the general Orkish tactic of MORE DAKKA is not that ineffective after all?
well I have bad news for you guardsman, there is never enough dakka...
Ou, 'umies! AIz tell ya wuz da Prubluumme uf MOAR DAKKA iz: ya seez -- wez orkz ar da biggesz, baddiesz, tuffiez fingz in da wurldz, boot, aven en Ork haz onle sa much dakka hez kan carri, sez? Onze da dakka hez haz runz ut, whaz da en Ork gotta use? MOOOAAAARR CHOOOOPA! WAAAAGGGHHH!!!!!!
Iff it wuzzn't effektiv, why dah 'ell wud we not want more dakka, ye git?! WAAAAAAAGH!
r/unexpectedwarhammer
Oi! I'Z TRYN' TA SLEEP YA GIT!!! I'LL KRUMP YA GITS LIKE SNOTLING!
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Military History Visualized, the British obtained the OKH instruction “the Tiger can no longer prance around the Battlefield etc” June 1944 during Normandy. Is Guderian late to events? See David Fletcher book Tiger: The Tiger Tank a British View. 1986, page 201. A coup would be to get either of the two David’s to take you through the information detailed in the book, on the War time Analysis of Tiger on video. Fantastic book if you can find an original. The Italian Campaign ORS report Who killed Tiger, is worth a read, you would find it interesting given this video.
Hello Military History Visualised. Do you take video requests? A topic I would find interesting would be declining powers. A video tackling the reasons why these nations lost their influence over the years would be pretty neat. Some examples would be Austria and the Spanish Empire.
Did you say the Tiger carried s mines on it?!
Karl Hans yes they had S Mine dispensers. Alfred Rubbel has a good explanation of there use.
@@DC9622 Is it not the OKW you mean?
Your clear dedication to fixing previous errors, noting errors in primary and secondary sources, and giving clear credit and thanks to those who have helped you find and document these errors should be applauded. In the age that we live in, where talk is cheap, and anyone can say anything with little to no evidence or sources to back up his claims, this dedication to documenting and sourcing clear and concise information that will last is noble and should be praised.
Deja Vu, I've just seen this video before 🎵
Higher on the street
And I know it's my time to go
Calling you, and the search is a myster
y standing on my feet
honestly, were the same. i feel like ive been in this place before
As always, your attention to detail is impressive. And nice call-out to the commentators who left constructive and well-informed feedback.
This would have been useful.
76 YEARS AGO
as the video said, the British could stop them in Tunisia
Lord Inter So it’s the fault of the British they didn’t watch the video.
I must say I admire you for the thoroughnes and precision of your videos. I think you keep adhering to the highest standards possible. Thumbs up!
Catnip is also very effective
The idea is to destroy it, not tickle it.
scott left r/woooosh
David Render suggested in his book 'Tank Action' that when at close range with German heavy armour, the Sherman 75s in his unit would use HE ammo. With the idea that you could either disable the tracks, or damage periscopes/sights etc and force the tank to withdrawer.
There was also 1 encounter, where a Sherman got off 10 rounds of AP at a Tiger at less than 100 yards. They all failed to penetrate, but the smoke from the shells around the tiger from the tracer propellant, made the Tiger crew believe the tank was on fire and they bailed. Leaving behind a perfectly working Tiger tank with 8th Armoured Brigade.
the german crew must be having an epic bruh moment when they were captured and saw their tank being repaired on their way to being POWs LMFAO
the 76 could go straight through the front even with out hvap look at the m4a3e8
Unlucky considering the Sherman 75mm at 100 meters can penetrate the front of the Tiger with its ap shell.
@@QueenTheCossackTongued No, it can't.
David Render, Tank action has an example of Sherman doing just that, firing 10 or 12 AP shells at glacis of Tiger and no penetration. (as explained above)
Mailed Fist, by John Foley has an example of a Churchill 75mm (same ammo as sherman) firing 3 shots at the front of a Tiger, and failing to penetrate.
Don't get fooled by allied pentration tests, they were fired against allied armour plate, significantly softer than German face hardened armour. So penetration during those tests, doesn't translate exactly to real life performance in the field.
@@mrflibble9783
75mm L/40 (M3/M6) firing M61 versus FHA with a muzzle velocity of 618 m/s (2,030 ft/s) had 102mms of penetration at 100meters.
Here to support your correction. Well done on making a fully corrected video (for future visitors). Respect.
I nevet gotto watch the video before the correction. This was well done and informative.
love the effort put into this video :) great job
1:57 Never pet a wild tiger, kids.
2:46 Now you see why petting zoos are banned in Russia.
12:30 In such a situation you're likely being ambushed, ergo, screwed.
Tigers fur is like a brillo pad, not soft at all....this was a live tiger...i don't know what skinned and treated fur is like thankfully.
War Thunder Tactic:
*SHOOT AT ANY PLACE*
P.D.R world of tanks tactics: can't pen can't pen aaaannnnnd can't pen
@@tomi9562 meanwhile at tier 3
Panzer 3: hello there
Adam Kowalski yeah IN GAME but if it was reality you wouldnt even have chance to aim when tiger already shot your crew and tank
@@tomi9562 no the m4 had a stabilizer the gun could be ready to fire before any german and it was 2 to 1 for shermans to kill a tiger as it was the first one to shoot who would win
that flat front plate is looks so juicy to an 85mm zis-5
As the Chieftain said: "The less likely something is to destroy a tank, the more effective it is against tanks!"
Thank you, this will come in handy. I can't wait to test out these strategies.
Great video.
Always a joy to watch
Thank you for this video. My schoolmate was recently killed by a Tiger II while walking to class. We have been mourning this great loss by killing every Tiger we see, the Is and the Cats too
sorry for your loss, it is people like him why I make these videos.
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized😂❤
Thank you so much, man. Now I can destroy that stupid Tiger tank my school bully always drive.
Thank you for the reupload!
Another outstanding video and presentation.
Glad you enjoyed it
Nice Vid! Could you make one about the IS-2?
5:54 There is never enough DAKKA. I love the 40 K reference by the way.
Excellent as always.
These videos are so clear and well narrated
Thanks you never know when your gonna run into a tiger tank but when I do I'll definently be prepared now thank you for this valuable information whew
Yup, 2400 yards does make a lot more sense than 2000 yards. Cheers!
are you the same MaxRavenclaw from r/DerSchiesser?
Yes, I have the same reddit username. Hopefully you're part of the group who understands DerSchiesser is a joke sub. I've had people accuse me of a lot of stuff for modding DerSchiesser, because they couldn't be asked to even read the description of the sub.
@@MaxRavenclaw Yeah I know its memes, its one of my favorite subreddits actually. Its an honor to run into you in the wild sir. o7
Cheers, mate!
ANOTHER EXCELLENT VIDEO!
always great video
Loved the 40k reference
Just here because of the algorithm
The Al Gore Ithm knows all. It sees all.
That'd be "4score years and 10".
Great work.
Very well done, thank you!
I remember hearing an old tanker say his favorite tactic for dealing with a Tiger was to call in an air strike.
What would be the ideal plane to take out a 🐅 Tiger?
Not the heaviest, the minimum that could be sent to do the job and do it well.
@@casbot71 Lot's of Allied aircraft were tasked with air to mud missions but I think the most effective was the P-37 Thunderbolt
@@JamesSavik p47 thunderbolt with 500lbs bombs or 5 inch rockets.
Also the Soviet sturmovick(spelling?) Was pretty good at it. If desperate do what the USA did in the bocage country. Fly b24 and b17s wingtip to wing tip and carpet bomb the whole area for miles.
I read a book where the German tankers talked about how terrifying it was when they saw 70 ton tiger 2s flip over from the explosions.
There was a Major who was a forward observer for artillery in a little observation aircraft. He decided to join in the fun, and had 6 or eight 2.75" bazookas mounted on his wing struts, with controls to fire them from the pilots seat. Don't know how many armored vehicles he took out, but he had the nickname of Bazooka Charlie. As hull and turret armor upper surfaces were much thinner, it should have been quite effective if he scored a hit.
@@828enigma6 I believe he had zero kills- no matter what anyone claims. A bazooka's max effective range was 110 meters.
The gun that won the war xD can still remember the lindybeige video in which he was making up some really weird infantry tactics. I was like wtf is he telling during the whole video. really like how you are open up to critique and just focus on delivering the most accurate historical contend on youtube i found so far
Thank You! Very well done! Oohraah!
Lol I love these videos. Informative, historically accurate, yet charmingly witty. Great energy, great channel. Stay outstanding sir! 🤘😉
How to defeat a tiger:
Step 1. Deploy cucumber
Step 2. Watch the kitty freak out
Done, there you have it! 😎
In regards to the tracks and copula(and similar weak points) I know the soviets kept the PTRS and PTRD in service till the end of the war, are there any records of confirmed hits on tigers using those weapons? That might explain the "striking frequency" with which the copula was hit/damaged.
the PTRS and PTRD cannot penetrate the cupola
those can damage it but not penetrate it
the PTRS/D were good at penetrating Panther's 40mm side armor plates , flat on at close ranges
the tiger's 50mm(pretty sure it's 50) rounded cupola cannot be pierced
however , the vision spots( not a native english speaker, sorry) made of glass could be harmed
Good information
Thanks
Excellent!
Very good vid
Can you pls make a vid about Kv-2?
I would rather want to see what the Russians were thinking about the t-34, and the kv-1
1:54 that's one hell of a tiger
Thank you man
Still useful
Something to note about the graph at 1:00, if the situation doesn't look too bad for the T-34, remember that German penetration criteria assumes the impact occurs at 30° side angle. Without it the T-34 could probably be destroyed from the front at over 1500m.
Rommel. You magnificent bastard I read your book!
Actually it was a book on Forrest's tactics that they both read.
I love how you spell miau! In America, we spell it meow, or mew for their shorter vocalizations.
Unless I got wooshed lol
It's also miau in lithuanian.
Thanks, now I know what to do next time.
very nice
Angle? *[Laughs in SU-152]*
Effective range? *laughs in Obj. 263*
Who would win? War Thunder boi in the comment section or MHV's sources?
Hitting the cupola isn't really that hard dude, especially in a range under 500 meters. Yet I think it's not as effective as shooting other weak points of the Tiger. For me shooting the cupola only kills commander most of the times, if I'm lucky the turret crew is dead. But there are more effective possibilities like trapshooting the turret ring or shooting the gun mantlet. And lastly, War Thunders physics engine is good but not real life comparable so there will always be some kind of discrepancy, in one patch a T-34 will hit cupola and kill the whole turret, in another one, it will hardly do anything.
wait ... am I arguing with a filthy World of Tanks casual who needs gold ammo to reliably pen Tiger in his T-34 85 and zooms across the battlefield with 60 km/h? ughhhh
John Lucas fuck WOT Jewish gold ammo
War thunder boi is much more experienced...
@@mr.waffentrager4400 not really...
@@urbanmech8064 yes war thunder boi is more experienced about stats but not much about history ....but interest about history comes with time
The biggest threat to the Tiger was their small numbers. 1350 built compared to 50k of Sherman and T34. Even with large K/D ratios, it was not a sufficient super weapon to make up for the sheer volume discrepancy. Great videos!
I would say their biggest disavantage was lack of air support,US simply bombarbed places with tigers instead of fighting with their tanks,super wasteful but they could afford and saved many lives.
The 100 mm gun (the D-10S) was developed for the SU-100 tank destroyer. Also, the long barreled 122 mm A-19 gun was also mounted on the IS tanks (IS-2 and IS-3) and was designated D25-T.
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Fine video - Tiger 1's perfectly respectable speed is often ignored too. Worth noting that where the Wermacht encountered superior armour at a point such as KV1 and Matilda2 their solutions were similar to those the allies settled on.
Wow, this is incredibly detailed! Great work here friend. Have you played Panzer?
Didn't see thumbnail was expecting tips on fighting animals
For the algorithm!!!!!
Arrogant and clever.... you'll get far!
This will come handy
Hi, thanks for another great, if somehow similar video :)
Do you know what the germans were referring to when they talk about the 9.2cm AA/AT gun? The British had a 94mm and the Americans a 90mm, but these weren't used as AT until right at the end of the war (and the british one hardly if at all)
Were the germans suffering from poor intelligence on enemy AT or was there just an error in nomenclature that stuck?
Just fire HE shells at it.
The inner mechanisms Will l break from the shockwave eventually.
Eventually
not really, you need alot of shots to disable the tank you would probably be shot by the tiger
Now, are you sure a 76mm he would send enough shock to disable a drivetrain or gun through 100mm of armor?
Shaloam Nenja • 12 years ago you wouldn’t need to, the 76 amp could penetrate the 100mm of armor
Tiger: Nobody can defeat me!!!
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Only 9? The average Tiger's kill ratio was 10 to 1.
@@cynderfan2233 here you are
@@cynderfan2233 soviet anti-tank rifle destroy tiger caterpillar ring.
german waste on repair more tome, then russian on making new tank.
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Well done sir. JS1 and JS2 were seriously underrated. Hans Ulrich Rudel lost a leg going back to check out the first JS1 he ever encountered. Anti-aircrft fire, almost certainly not from a tank.
Training and preparation are important. The crew has to be trained to work as a team. The sights for the main gun have to be where the round will hit. Fifty years ago I used a split image rangefinder and there was a trick to consistently be on target. You could turn the adjusting wheel until the images lined up but there was some play before you noticed the images separating. That could cause a miss. The trick we used was to range up from the lower end until the images lined up.
War Thunder Veterans: Allow us to introduce ourselves.
heres a question, what calibre weapon does an aircraft need to threaten a tiger? or any other panzer?
Has to hit first, which was virtually impossible.
I would say it depends on where you hit it. To my mind the soviet 23mm on IL2's would be quite effective against the rear deck of the hull. But something in the 37-50mm range would be needed for hits to the sides and rear.
The Molins modified QF 6-pounder (57mm) proved very effective.
No, worked quite well against lightly and unarmored vehicles. The amount of tanks actually destroyed by aircraft during WW2 was negligible.
In one of my books regarding the Spitfire at war (wish I could find it again) there is an interesting anecdote. Late in the war somewhere in France a Spitfire pilot saw a German tank retreating at speed along a metalled road. Despite thinking it fairly futile he let it have the benefit of his 20mm and 303 load, then went home. Later advancing British troops encountered a burnt out German tank covered in French graffiti the main sentiment of which being "nice one R A F!". Subsequent investigation and examination seemed to indicate that some of the 20mm rounds had ricocheted off the road surface into the underbelly of the tank with its thinner armour. If correct, it seems luck can be as important as calibre.
Thank you for this. This will surely help on War Thunder
¡En verdad fue muy interesante, gracias por el vidéo, saludos desde la Ciudad de México!
"If you run into tigers on your way to school, you know what to do."
"YEAH, LEMME JUST WHIP OUT MY ANTI-TANK RIFLE AND MOLOTOV, HM??"
Internet commenters on WoT/WT: Cupola sniping is unrealistic!
Red Army AT Gunners: *Laughs in bolshevik*
Speaking (formerly) professionally, it *is* unrealistic. These days. In ww2? Perhaps, but only if you have a death wish. While he quoted sunshine commenting on the high rates of damage to cupolas that tells you nothing about the rate at which they were targeted because the cupola is more susceptible to damage. Fire 100 rounds at a target and get, say, 50 hits. Of those a random number hit the cupola ah be cause important damage. The r rest hit elsewhere and do nothing. Which hits are you going to note the most? I can guarantee it will be the damaging hits. Maybe they're aiming for the weak point. Maybe they aren't. You can't tell until you count all hits over time. Given the quality of Russian training in ww2 I doubt that telling them to aim for X small point (when it was such a small percentage shot) was a winning strategy. A winning strategy is telling them to hold fire until within damaging range, aim to hit, get as many gifts on target as fast as possible, and btw these are some weak points if you feel up to it.
@@iatsd Dude, can you stop treating the Russians in a Patton-style view? No my friend, they were no significantly less trained than any other 18 year old dude coming out of an American school and joining infantry. Tank commanders actually got more training than the germans as far as I remember.
And for gunners: If there was something Russians were good at, that thing was artillery. They had some amazing artillery schools and weapons to go with them. So no, aiming for a weakspot is not out of the ordinary, And I should point out something else: HOW YOU ENGAGE. Like on those 'where to fire' leaflets delievered to the Red Army soldiers and Western Allies as well, you usually have the angle of firing as well. Commanders cupola is a point you can aim for if you were the 'bait' of the fire pocket [in the battle of Kursk, soviet anti-tank units developed a tactic, where they would be split into 2 or 3, one being placed in front of the direction the enemy is expected to arrive. They would be the bait, firing from a position as strong as possible. On the side of the position, you would have the other AT guns. Now, if the Tiger does not take the bait and still is out of the fire pocket(aka the side is not exposed) those could also aim for the cupola. ]
An anti-material / sniper rifles have long barrels and pretty large caliber. I _wonder,_ does this description have something in common with artillery?
@@nottoday3817
Well...
best pilot of allies - Kozhedub
best sniper of allies - Pavlichenko
best gunner of allies - Nuzurbaev
And etc.
They had not only best artillery.
What he left out when he mentioned Otto Carius being nearly killed when his cupola was hit, was that on the early "Tigers" the hatch opened upward, making it a easy target, as well as a flag to the soviet gunners that hatch was open. They would fire HE at the raised hatch cover, and and the cover would cause the blast to deflect downward into the tank. The later tigers had had a different cupola design, and the hatch slid sideways rather than pivoting upwards.
8:24 Nice Lindybeige shot.
I think long time ago, I read in the Tiger Fibel, that they ought to retreat from heavy artillery bombardment. So call in a strong barrage of 15 cm artillery?
I was expecting like, an actual tiger. With claws. That bites. The animal.
The 17 pounder works on both.
Here for the Al Gore Rhythm
thank for sharing your time and thought for us. your video so helpful for me specially for player of wot and wt this is so important. to kill a beast every game.
Yay I can watch it now
*laughs in an M3 Stuart*
have fun trying to get that turret to keep up with me
Tiger: have fun trying to penetrate me
That's not an issue when you are spotted and fired upon from 1000 yards out
Imagine being a wot player
Thom E. How many rounds do you think it’s going to take to hit a moving target at that range?
Laughs in M-22 not only outmaneuvering them, but being so small that it just cannot be targeted when it is too close.
Have fun being killed by a child
It's easy, wait for Gaijin to nerf and upteir to fight tanks 30-40 years more advanced..
Oh wait this is real life never mind.
So true... my poor Tiger H1....
@@felixh9363 get good.
In WT, tigers fight against vehicles with similar standoff distances VS tiger.
However tiger could angle.
@@thebravegallade731 Except all of the maps require you be in close quarters comparatively, enemies have stabilisers, high velocity guns, and Heat FS that negates distance meaning by time you see them, stop moving, range the shot, and fire they have killed you 6x over.
I gave up on Germany at 6.7 and played the Russian tree and realised just how easy warthunder can be it's honestly like switching on hacks. I go from 1-2 kill games average to 5-8 kill games.
Anyone who claims there is no bias is completely deluded.
@@TwoPlusTwoEqualsFive32 lmao back when the tiger was low BR and the only dangerous tank it could've engaged was the T-44, it was op as fuck back in the day.
don't expect to become otto carius when you unlock the tiger, many vehicles face the same problems and they have to deal with it, you Germans arent special and dont need any special treatment.
Thanks, I was having trouble trying to take over berlin with all those pesky tigers.
Faust and beterman talked of this Russian tactic on their books
And tha ks for the great videos.
Lol, just saw “the MG that won the war...” reference at 8:23. Very funny!
Wonder if Lindybeige has seen this?!
Nice keepitup
Im using these informations for world of tanks