4L60 Transmission, No 3rd Or 4th Gear, Disassembly And How To Diagnose The Problem
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2024
- This video is for you to diagnose the problem with your 4L60 transmission when 3rd or 4th gear won't engage, we show the parts that typically are bad when you can't get 3rd or 4th to work in your transmission.
4L60
4L60E
Won't shift to 3rd or 4th
Slipping in 3rd or 4th gear
Disassembling a 4L60 transmission
How very informative sir this is my next project. Wife's suburban. Thanks keep these videos coming. Be blessed
I guess it would be safe to say, if you are slipping from 2nd to 3rd, change out the shift solenoids... This is a GREAT video guys. I would hire you as well ! Keep them trucks on the road ! Nice job !!!
Thanks for watching! Glad you liked the video!
I swapped them out. Still same
@@mikehill8580
May have a clutch problem! We recommend that you get a rebuild kit and get it rebuilt.
Yeah same, replaced shift solenoids and still the same issue
I don't think changing solenoid is going to help this one. That pan was nasty been doing transmission work 35 to 40 years. That's probably one of the worst pan I ever seen
Good basic video, did anyone else notice that they did not remove the pump until they finally removed the housing bolts ? Good piece of info that this video is missing is that you MUST get a Torx Plus t50 socket for those housing bolts. It’s a must. A regular t50 will not do.
I stopped watching at the point when this jackass started trying to remove the pump without removing the bell housing
You could've used two small slide hammers to get the pump out. There's two treaded holes in the pump housing to screw the slide hammers into. Great video!
Thanks for watching and thanks for the information! Glad you liked the video!
Maybe taking off the bellhousing first will make it easier to come off!!!
Not on 4L60/60E,350 and 400 are threaded.
Ok thank you. The guy who rebuilt it says it's good and didnt see nothing wrong with it. I thank you for getting back with me
Hmm, maybe he overlooked something, idk, like I said, it's hard to tell you what's wrong with it without seeing it, hope my video is some kind of help to you!
Those little springs that your didn't have is probably why your clutches are done. Those little springs keep the plate from engaging the clutches when they are free and not being used. Any old rebuilder will never remove those if they want the transmission to last. If you are looking for a firmer shift than do it in the Accumulators in the valve body and drilling larger holes in the valve body plate where the check ball valves are.
I DID A TURBO 400 ON MY PONTIAC AND ADDED ONE EXTRA DISC PLATE, NO WABBLING AND IT SHIFTED HARD BUT NEVER BROKE AGAIN.
Thanks for the information!
EXACTLY CORRECT.
I'm70yrs old and probably done more than 100 of these 4L60E, 4L65E and 700r4.
Those little Springs keep the Frictions from rubbing while in other gears...THEY ARE DESIGNED TO KEEP THE FRICTIONS APART AND FROM RUBBING!!!
HINT: If the manufacturer designers have parts in there then it's in there for a reason. Don't try out guessing them and end up ruining something...That's not to say there are other performance upgrades but don't just leave something like these little springs out.
If your trans doesn't have them then they are so cheep to buy at about any trans supply store and worth their weight in GOLD and then some.
JUST A FYI for any home builder.
@@1018Video they are definitely correct. It's a weak solution the factory did because the 4l60e has a clutch release issues. It's also very important to use the correct transmission fluid. Some fluids like type F have friction modifiers and type 3 has anti friction additives.
Shake the snout nd a proper pry bar qwugke n pry comes out faster u won’t hurt it
Y'all should strongly consider the oil leaks along the way from the oil sump all the way to the devices that actually apply 3rd/4th. This transmission is known for having several (leaks) that end up adding up as one big pressure loss; then burnt 🔥 brand new clutches. 🤔
1 input shaft sealing rings
2 check ball/capsules
3 worn valve body bores/valves
Yeah these transmissions are horrible, there's so many things that could be (and probably are) bad. Safest thing to do would be just replace the whole thing with one with a warranty.
Bro somebody taught you very well, keep up the good work, nice informative video, stay blessed!
Thanks for watching and thanks for the support!
I’m a little OCD I just wish they’d clean up around their workbench it’s killing me
Worked as auto mechanic for 50ish years. You'd be amazed how few shops have a bench, much less one that ISN'T completely covered with junk. Drove me nuts.
7:32 into the video, that's the 1-2 accumulator. I'm sure you knew that, probable just got it mixed up during filming. Thanks for the video.
Yeah that was a longgg day lol. Thanks for watching!
I have got to say awesome job!I almost pissed myself laughing because I know the struggle lmao it couldn't come out like some easier ones for filming purposes 😂
This reporter finally got to tell t
He truth
What lol.
I rebuild a lot of transmissions and that pump will slide out a lot easier if you remove the bell housing 1rst
We was trying to avoid removing that lol.
I read the comments and you said it worked fine afterwards, but after lots of reading and vids, I've learned a # of things can cause this same issue. Cracked input drum, loose shaft at input drum, bad check ball in input drum, bad check ball in case , etc etc. Mine has burned up 3-4 clutch so bad they look like a rainbow. I'm hoping the issue is the same thing you found here.
The inside of a transmission is pretty complex, there's many problems that could cause many things to happen, we always recommend a full rebuild. I believe a full rebuild kit for these transmissions is around 500-dollars.
a sticking check ball is common for causing those clutches to cook! (one of the 7 will stick, causing the sun gear to do so at well, burning the clutches.
Great video. Next time try taking the bell housing off and the pump will come right off
Glad you liked the video! Thanks for watching and thanks for the info!
My truck is not shifting in 3rd or over drive after the Transmission guys rebuild my Trans and than rebuilt one of there’s and put in my truck. Seems like the rpm’s have to be way at 4,000 rms for it to shift and also the Transmission Fluid Hot light comes on.
Wow, that's why I do my own work. I don't care how long or dirty I get. It gets fixed
Professional at work...wow!
Hi, did you rebuild the whole transmission or just replace the clutch pack? My truck has a worn 2-4 band and 2-4 clutch pack and im looking to get it shifting again as cheap as possible. Did you end up rebuilding the whole thing or just send it with the new clutches?
I really hope people wanting to fix their 4L60/E units do not use this as a guide for how to do transmission work is just so painful to watch. Should only be used for basic info
It works though.
@@wwpotransmissionsmore4231 You should put up a video
@@obudoken facts
@@1018Video U stated this was a costumers trans then started beating the pump with a hammer not good work ethics imho ps a great tool to use for lip seals is a tool box drawer removal tool thats what i used when i was building food for thought it takes time to build the tools and knowledge for transmission building I r&rd for 7 years before starting to build. U have aptitude go with it. good vid.
@@dennisbarney869
This Tahoe is still driving around to this day, the customer actually talks to us regularly.
Thank you for sharing all of your knowledge you ever need any electronic advice I am an electronic technician and an electrician
Thank you for watching!
my 2001 Suburban 4x4 just today started not wanting to upshift, no SES, no codes that I can see. I've already had intermittent service 4WD, and was going to get to that, unfortunately today when I went to go see neighbor it was in 4Low, and after the offroad portion ended of my run ended and I got to pavement I noticed high rpm's, drove to Post Office trying to Isolate symptoms other than the transfer case not shifting, it was DRAMATICALLY HANGING IN GEAR BETWEEN SHIFTS, and would only upshift after coasting, but mostly hanging in 1st too long and 2nd too long, not sure if it was getting into 3rd and4th at all, kind of hard when in 4Lo. Any clues as to where I should start?
Take bell housing off and it will come right out you will need to remove bellhousing to install pump seal
Nice video... i have a question my trans cooler line came out of the radiator dumped abunch of fluid while driving .. replaced the connecter and filled the transmission back up and wont shift into 3rd just revs.. shifted manually and no third ... would you think its the clutches?
This is my problem
Are you in Miami ?
Always pray forward towards pump not towards case, you will damage case at valve body vanes Incase.
Yes.
Where are y'all located at? Looks like y'all know what you are doing. I would hire you to rebuild mine . I have a 2000 silverado with a 4.3L
We're in southern Florida.
They don't know what they are doing! They are just guessing. When you know what you are doing, you know the purpose of every valve in the transmission, no matter what make or model.
Well, if this gentleman knows what he's doing and how to fix the problem, then so be it. People learn how to do a lot of things in life by watching others do it. Then you practice what you learn until you get really good at it. Not everything requires college or ASE certification. Being a mechanic isn't hard, but it's not easy either....either way you just have to be willing to put in the work that it takes to fix a vehicle, whether your ASE certified, or not
There is an either check ball that will cause the trans to fail if it is not in the fluid valley under the valve body it is close to where the plug goes you don't see it cut it is under the fluid you use a magnet to remove it. Seeing as you think it has been rebuilt whoever rebuilt it might have put silicone round the pump body they should pop out fairly easy otherwise or really tight seal...I used a big pry bar and MI e came out real easy barely had to pry it
Thanks for the information! Sounds like you've messed with these transmissions a time or two.
@@1018Video still learning myself getting ready to do a fully built 4l60e with super servo beast sunshell lot of sonnax valve body upgrades shift kit wish I could get the sonnax smart drum but a that is just over a grand by itself so it would be a full stage 3 upgrade will be turboi g my 06 yukonxl 4x4 plan o. Doi g the 4l80e conversion soon just need the 1 I am building g to hold till then trans in the truck lost 3rd and 4th but not sure 2 weeks ago the trans was fine didn't slip then all of a sudden during g a snow storm I no longer had those gears gonna try shift solenoids first while I build the trans but not sure
@@MegaWolfman76
I've got a friend who recently had transmission problems and they couldn't figure out what was going on, after replacing 2 transmissions he found out his computer was bad! Now it drives and shifts fine.
hey man wondering if you could help me out I have a 2011 Silverado with 4l60e I have first and second gear doesn’t catch 3rd or 4th. What could he the issues I was thinking about replacing the shift solenoids and the torque converter solenoid
There are a lot of issues that could cause this to happen, I'd start with the cheaper stuff if I were you, which it sounds like that's what you plan to do. If that doesn't fix your problem you can pick up one of these transmissions pretty cheap with a warranty if you do some searching around online. Thanks for watching!
My silverado has it were as soon as you hit 25 mph the rpm goes up. Feels like I'm in neutral. Reverse is fine. When u start it and are in park rev is slight high. When shift to drive or reverse rpm is normal. Then if you shift to neutral rpm really goes up.
Have you got it diagnosed mine out of nowhere driving to work I no longer have 3rd and 4 th gear going to get it scanned now
Yeah there's a few issues that would cause stuff like that to happen, it's hard to diagnose things without seeing them in person.
Got a 98 gmc jimmy(s10) blazer no overdrive and 4th. 3rd works if you keep your foot steady on the gas pedal and ease off till it shifts. 2nd gear is strong 1st is sluggish. Reverse works great. Shift solenoid b is bad but other issues I believe also. This will be my first 4l60e 4x4 transmission rebuild
Be careful and take your time! Thanks for watching!
Is the 93-94 4l60e with the single piece cast case/bell housing the same? My brother in law fried his 3rd gear and had. Shitty slipping 4th gear. We got a pick n pull replacement with similar issue. Pick an pull won't shift into 3rd or 4th his old would shift and bounce Rev limit cause there was nothing left of 3rd ( unfortunately he also cracked the case on old one)
How would I go by knowing who I want to rebuild my transmission cuz you you said got to be careful who rebuild your transmission and I want to make sure the person we do my transmission right
Try to use a place who has a good history with these transmissions, see if they have a warranty.
Take bell housing off first. For pump removal.
U really just something else man you wedged the pump hitting it with a hammer lol
Worked when we were done, lol.
@@1018Video Im sure it can and might but is not a quality job this is what I refer to as a pacta patca job
@@wwpotransmissionsmore4231
This is a "do it in your garage with minimal tools" video, lol.
What trouble codes show up to get to the point where rebuilding is necessary? I got shift solenoid codes, I replaced 4 solenoid and still got trouble codes for solenoid.
Do I have to remove all that stuff to remove the pump and get to the shell?
Where do you stay at man?? I have the same one I need help with that slips the same
my reverse is out on my 04 suburban but have all other gears but they are feeling held back
any help would be amazing
Gear on the back of your Sun shell broke anywhere near Central Missouri I have the part and the rebuild kit
"Sudden" loss for reverse only on 4L60/E is just a broke shell at rear sun gear.
@@andoblacksmith4262 thank you for the feed back it ended up being my reverse gear the bearing that allows fluid to get to the reverse gear was completely jammed and ended up cause the gear to just give out over time had the whole trans rebuild and drive like a champ ounce again. then maybe a month later a cab driver rammed it into the rear bumper while my wife was working and it was parked but all is good and thank you for the assistance.
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@@GlassmaN-GaminG how much did it cost you? 2003 suburban 185k Texas
a pair of the cheap walmart extra large c-clamps work great to compress the spring cages.... FYI...
I have a 04 Yukon with the 4l60e awd 5.3 my 3rd and 4th went out I think because I had a leak from the gasket were my trans and transfer case meet and my pump went out is that a typical issue with them it was running fine and then went out would you recommend changing the pump because it wines when it's gets into a higher rpm when in second and if I put it in 3 or 4th from a high sped after second itl downshift or swap it out for a used one or rebuild
We always recommend a full rebuild when something like that happens, because metal pieces can be spread through your transmission and that can cause other things to fail later on. Plus if the transmission is already out it would be better to get everything done now instead of having to pull the transmission back out again later.
INSTALLING THE PISTONS WITHOUT CLEANING THE PART IT GOES INTO ??? YOU SHOWED SOME METAL FROM THE GASKET, DID YOU CHECK THERE WAS NO PIECES LOOSE THAT COULD GRIND LATER ON AND RUIN THE CLUTCHES ? GOOD EXPLANATION VIDEO BUT PLEASE CLEAN PARTS BEFORE YOU INSTALL NEW ONES !!!
Eh, it works, lol.
yes, it all should havel been cleaned thoroughly
Why am I watching this? I will never take a transmission apart.
Well I appreciate the view!
Only because your skills are amazing and it looks so interesting but too high tech for me. But you make it look so easy. Lol! Ok keep up the good work.
@@acool5924
Thanks!
Remove the bellhousin before removing the pump. It will slide right out with out banging or prying on pump.
Thanks for the info!
What year 4l60 is this? My check valve balls are a little different
3-4 actuator? Hahah bro that's a 1-2 accumulator
A paint lid remover tool works real well on that servo ring seal.
Thanks for the information!
I work on my vehicle and pretty much have success..however the 4l60e scares me..way too many parts to deal with.
Thinking I have the same problem. 07 silverado won't shift into 3rd or 4th gear. Would a rebuild kit from autozone have everything I need or do I need to try and find the pistons somewhere aswell?
What you end up doing?
@@armandoanaya3140 trans rebuild wasn't worth it I just got a rebuilt one from AutoZone. It was 1700 ffs lol
I have a 4 year 60 transmission in my GMC my first deal with pool then, if I change my gear shifter to lower gear then it will start to pull in the second and third gear what's my
It's hard to diagnose something without seeing it in person.
Mines wouldn't shift out 2nd would that be my 3/4 clutch
There are several things that could cause that issue, it is hard to diagnose something like that without seeing it in person.
Have you got any videos of how well it shifted once reinstalled in vehicle? Before and after videos are awesome if when not faked. Lol
Yes! It's on my channel not too long after this video.
Sir the car transmission is making whinning noise, and delays in shifting. I checked for the fuel level is Ok, I checked for the oil still fresh not burned, I checked for any leaks no any leaks, I open the pan, but there were no any metal shavings on the magnets no any particles on the fluid, I decided to change the transmission filter, I checked and open the valve body no any clogs on the passages, I removed all solenoids I tested them all, and one was not working, I changed it with new one, I put back everything I test drive the vehicle no more whinning noise at all and shifting gears smoothly, but after two days as i drive reaching speed of 100 mph, the whinning noise started again, and the car struggles to exceed speed of 100mph, the RPM goes high and the speed is not achieved, what can be the problem, and what can be done sir? Kindly help with ideas.
It's hard to diagnose things like that without seeing the vehicle in person. Maybe you got a faulty solenoid? That can happen. You fixed the solenoid problem and it worked before so it has to be something to do with that I would guess.
You all need to learn which accumulator is which. How to use the proper tools for the job. And a whole lot more. Good luck.
Still works fine to this day, no issues. This video is more for the average person who doesn't have a bunch of fancy tools.
This comment is for the camera guy or girl who knows nowadays no offense. Anyway stop now this guy has no business showing people how to build a transmission just for the simple Fact that he did not so much clean one part of that before throwing it back together. Shit you didn't even know it the clutches was new or the old ones because I heard you ask. I mean good God man he could have at bare minimum thrown a $3.00 can of brake clean in that drum to get the burnt fluid and grit out. Not cleaning parts and inspection is pure laziness and I you can't at least try to do the very best you can just don't do it and especially showing people the wrong way. Sorry for the negativity but I spoke the truth.
1. I'm a guy, lol.
2. Thanks for the view and the comment.
3. Sorry you didn't like the video, this transmission worked perfectly fine and still works to this day actually.
4. This video is for people trying to get their transmission working with the bare minimum tools in their garage or on their carport. Cleaning that stuff out would've done absolutely nothing but waste time, obviously, cause the transmission is still perfect today. Some people believe these transmissions are things you have to be super careful with, if you look at it too hard it'll break, that's not the case. It's fine.
YOU ARE DEFINITELY CORRECT. IT'S LIKE A DOCTOR DOING SURGERY AND REPLACING A KNEE CAP WITHOUT STERILIZING IT !
totally agree...
I'm with u on this
You got lucky if it actually did work. Nobody but a professional should be doing this it's a fuckin headache to work on something some jackass who didn't know what they were doing touched it. Transmissions you need special tools for a reason. If you can't afford to have yours built by a professional go buy one from the junkyard out of a wrecked vehicle
Only have reverse, no forward at all. Any thoughts? Thanks
It's hard to diagnose stuff like that without seeing it in person.
Sir would you say 1800 to 1850 is a decent price to pay to have a transmission 2011 LT rebuilt for that amount of money
Are they pulling the transmission out themselves?
Lucky the case didn't Crack, removing the bell housing on these eases pump removal
Yo thanks for this vid!
Thanks for watching!
None of these idiots commenting told you you're replacing the wrong piston for 3-4
Somehow it worked when we were done lol.
So what is that from dogging it out cause my son's transmission seems to have the same issue no 3rd or 4th
Not necessarily, just not a very good transmission in general.
Have you ever dealt with monster transmission
@@markmulder4434
I know some people who have.
@@markmulder4434 I got a quote from them yesterday $3k+ for them to rebuild my 4l60e
How different is the 4l60E compared to this one? Or are they pretty much identical
They're basically the same, the "E" on the end of 4L60E just means that it is electronically controlled instead of vacuum controlled.
The 4l60 or 7004r is not vacuum controlled, but a throttle cable
The actuator feed limit valve and the tcc regulator valve needs reamed out and replaced with oversize valves. You'll be pulling it back out in a couple of weeks.
Still working fine years later.
Would this be the same for a 4l70e transmission??
I'm not sure, I would think so but I'd do some research if I were you though.
Clean up your area dude . wtf and never leave those load springs out .
How about using a front pump puller?
Not everyone has one of those.
Do you know what to do to have stronger transmission ?
Depends on how much you want to spend. And it depends on how strong you want it.
how much you charge mann
I have never pulled a pump with the bell housing on before.....interesting lol
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the pump comes right out with no problem with the bell housing on. have done it a few times.
Lmao that was the forward piston. Dude didn’t even take out 3/4 piston or change little green o ring underneath. Hell I should make u tube videos.
It worked.
😂
You aren't worried about the ATF covering your hands?
Nahh it washes off lol.
I'm just waiting for him to crack that case
my 08 Trail Blazer doesn't have 3rd, but on the highway 4th worked until I tried to accelerate hard, (because 3rd is gone). Would that be the clutch pack or the shift solenoid?
It's hard to diagnose things like that without seeing it in person, I'd hate to tell you something and it be the wrong information.
3rd and 4th use the exact same clutch pack. The only difference between 3rd and 4th is the band engages when it goes into 4th.
Oh man, I could've rebuilt it myself, shop is charging $1100.00 to rebuild
It's a band nut and you do not need to remove it first to get the band out
mine goes 1-2 tries to go into 3rd then straight back into 2nd where it stays until you slow down enough to go back into first
There's a few things that could be, a shift-solenoid or clutch problems. It's hard to diagnose stuff like that without seeing the vehicle in person.
Maybe use a socket to get snap ring on
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I suspect the water got in from being either in a ditch or boat ramp.
Something huh lol.
How much do shops usually charge to replace the 3-4 clutch pack on a 4l60e? And do you know a website that sells the 3-4 clutch pack?? Some guy quoted me $350 for the labor
It really depends on where you go to get the work done. We always recommend a full rebuild if you're going to be in the transmission already anyway, it would not be fun if you just fixed the exact issue and something else broke right after that.
Only $350? Was that one of the chimps from the AAMCO transmission commercial?
@@1018Video how much would be the average cost for a full rebuild at s shop? 2003 suburban 185k miles, texas
Don't know if you will see this but I'm have one that needs rebuilt are you interested
We don't really mess with transmissions anymore, we kinda just build our own stuff now.
@@1018Video oh ok y'all seem like y'all know what y'all are doing and tall are good at it keep up the good work
@@amandakitterman6521
We appreciate it! Thanks for watching my video!
So how do u put the clutch back together.. straight ignored a very critical question. Wtf 😂
My slipped a couple times thin 3an 4 went out all the way till I manually shifted it it wood shift thin it all stopped besides 1an2 an reverse works just not 3 an4 what wood I get to be a cheap fix till tax time you think
We drove a truck around with just 1st and 2nd gear for a month or two till we could get it fixed.
My 3rd and 4th work sometimes and don't sometimes like it doesn't shift sometimes
Sounds like it could be a shift-solenoid possibly but it's hard to diagnose stuff without seeing it in person.
Do yourself a big favor and buy more tools other than a hammer and screwdriver. You can’t be beating on vane pumps like that, you’re sure to crack something. Put the hammer down! Next time pull the bell housing off before you destroy a pump. I’m not going to sit here and point out everything you did wrong, I’m sure that over time you will get better at it. A couple more things, you might invest in a garbage can and a way to capture fluid that doesn’t involve oil dry. That was one dirty video!
So my 1990 k2500 slips in OD and drive at higher speeds when i give it throttle. I can get up to speed in drive. But getting up to 60, in OD is almost impossible. i also can't slow the truck down by down shifting. It just coast now. I have a 700r4 i believe. Would that be a rebuild or is it easier to fix?
It's always best to just get a rebuild kit and rebuild it.
It's not a snap ring, it's just a clip. I've been building transmissions for 40 years. That thing is burnt up.
Yep.
What causes u to loose over drive
Could be a lot of different things.
Is it not like a 700 r4. Where you can stand it up on its ass and pull its guts out without dropping the valve body.
True!
clean your parts and use new fluid when you reassemal
MENTIONED IT BEFORE !
Yes!
Or take off bell housing
Lol.
A sledge, a screwdriver, and vice grips. I wouldn’t trust that guy to build a sandwich.
🤣
Where you located
Florida.
BUZZ THAT BELL OFF
Cost to do this job
Depends on if you do it yourself or if you take it to someone, and it depends on how much someone charges per hour of labor and everything.
😳🤨🤢 not a bushing it's a thrust washer
How many gears does that tyranny have ?
Suppose to have 4 lol.
Bruh, your garage is dirty af
Js lol
You know, they say some of the best mechanics have dirty shops.
You didnt replace the 3-4 clutch piston just forward and over run.
We did only what the customer wanted.
Sometimes is not what the customer wanted... u need to diagnose and figure out what the problem is... if u always go to "just what the customer wanted" i would think that he lives with you already cuz not all customer know what the hell goes in the transmission other than fluid and a filter
Where's your shop located?
Near Little Rock Arkansas.
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