Lumix S9: Stripped-down, Full-frame
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- čas přidán 21. 05. 2024
- First impressions of the Lumix S9, an affordable full-frame daily carry camera
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Random old Asian man just hanging out is so on brand. Lmao.
Isn't that Richard Wong, also a prolific CZcams reviewer?
@@AnandaSimnot sure if joking but that isn’t Richard Wong
Burst out laughing at 2:58 😂
Bro! 🤣
So funny 😂
Would love more collabs with the guy at 3:00
10/10 samee 😂
Would've loved to hear more from him ha ha.
I love that dude.
2:57 I watched that like 10 times and I can’t stop laughing
looks like a piece of crap. Worst thing panasonic has ever made.
It sounds like the Lumix re-structure is finally paying off. Hopefully Sigma will update the fp line if this is successful, too. With Blackmagic on board as well, L-mount is finally really compelling, and becoming truly diverse. My dream is that Fuji will license the HVF to Lumix.
Great video👍🏻 glad you haven’t received any of the “hate” the most of us have gotten probably because your audience makes more sense for this camera. But this camera rocks for travel🔥
Yeah I think some people are hoping for drama that just isn't there
Probably because most CZcamsrs are shilling this camera like it’s the best new tech ever released…
I dont know why some expect this to have flagship specs. This is a bargain and has more features than the ZVE1.
These YT guys are almost always in their studios doing talking heads as well. Which means, their cameras are in a tripod, with studio lights, and using external recorders and mics. So the grip, evf, hotshoe, shutter, and recording limits are all useless to them. And yet they complain more than the intended market.
What they are doing with the LUTs is terrific. Now Apple should do that as well (maybe in their new Final Cut camera), so you can go back and forth in one video right on the phone.
Beautiful footage! Balanced coverage on the build as well.
Love your reviews!! Was great to meet you and Ania.
Great video Tyler and awesome meeting again in Japan 👊🏿
For the price, I think the S9 is a great choice. The features it doesn’t have are not deal breakers to me. Thanks for sharing your experience.
If it's just about price and you don't need pdaf for video, I honestly can't recommend you the original S5 enough. It's just around 800€ used and mostly the same as the S5ii
My thought before hearing the actual price was $1250. I can understand no viewfinder, but no flash capability on top of that?
Don't get me wrong, if it goes on sale I am picking one up in green if they make it available body only or with s truly compact at lens.
If this was 900 dollars I'd buy it instantly because my S5ii with the 24-105 and microphone is too heavy and bulky to do run and gun style vlogging. I've always wanted something smaller and lighter, but at this price range and the recording time limit is an issue. I really wanted this!! Hopeful for S9ii
The video and photo quality is incredible. This seems best for entry level, vlogging folks that definitely want something MUCH better than a smartphone.
Man, the footage from Nara looks amazing! I might have to check that place out next time I’m out there. Solid video as always bro!
If it’s got the stalman stamp of approval it’s fine by me
Strongly agree that the small lens is a problem considering this as a compact system. A 26mm f4 AF pancake-ish lens would be very appealing (f2.8 would be even better of course!)
The fact they "botched" the lenses part is truly sad... I can't wrap my head around why they didn't just focus an making one compact prime with 2.8....
I was legit shocked that the pancake was f/8
You made the best lut, thank you so much!
Great seeing you in Japan! You guys gotta come visit my little country on one of your international adventures 😊
You too, and thanks for the LR tips!
Nara is really lovely. Been there twice and it is always very charming. About S9, I feel this is more for casual shooter rather than for a more serious individuals.
Kinda beat Fuji at their own game with custom LUTs on device. Oof. Smart.
Truly customizable jpegs that you can place as presets is exactly what I have been waiting for. If this comes on sale and they get truly compact lenses available I'm in for a green one.
Imo price should be $1200-1300. Available pancake or near pancakes in 24-28 mm, 35mm, 45mm around $300-500.
all the YT drama aside, thanks for covering the camera and I’m glad to see you made it to Japan this time! Panasonic took such a hard left turn with this LUT/simulation feature set since the S5II and I’m here for it
idk if I missed this on your podcast or YT, but did you drop your C70? I think you mentioned still using your R5 for professional work? just curious, as I shoot and enjoy both Lumix and Canon systems
Thanks! Yeah im all over the place right now, C70 for my talking heads in studio, S5II for B-roll and travel photos, R5 for photo work, and Q3 for fun.
If Lumix can fill out their lineup I am tempted to switch, but also heard rumors that Canon is about to blow us all away
We’ll see
@@stalman thanks for the clarification ! I heard your experience on the podcast with the Q3 recently, it sounds like a fun body but out of my budget for now 😄
yes I’m really anxious to see Canon land something cool, especially with the Cinema line getting so stale. But I’d also love to see Panasonic land a major S/S1H upgrade …. 🤷🏻♂️ 🤞🏼
It's not an asia trip without an oldman standing next to you. It's the Law!🤣
Probably would go for it if it was weather sealed. I've got an S5 Mark i and a Fuji X pro 2/pancake set up. I Was "hoping" to replace the Xpro 2 to have a compact daily with my L mount EcoSystem.
30 seconds in, had a very familiar vibe...you're in osaka!!!!!
You mentioned the features the S9 didn’t have such as a mechanical shutter, no hot shoe and no flash built in but the one other missing thing was weather sealing.
When the S9 was hinted at in the rumours, it perked up my ears as I would love a compact full frame camera… the Sony option has a tiny EVF so it’s not on my list.
But when I saw the specs, and more importantly what it didn’t have I lost interest immediately.
So I find myself back looking at either buying the X100VI or the Q3, both of which are almost impossible to get here in Scotland right now.
It’s sad they made the decision to leave out what most would say is an essential for any camera… EVF, weather sealing, mechanical shutter and some kind of flash too… 🏴
I wish Lumix had been confident enough to make a proper Q3 competitor
I guess camera companies must be having a hard time these days with most people using phones instead. But good looking cameras are always fun to collect lol.
2:58 nah this is too funny
The S9 is the same price as the S5ii. In some sits more. How is it budget camera?
I'm wondering, since the real time lut feature is available on the s5ii, but not with it's integrated button. Can we essentially do the same thing on that bigger camera? As far as capabilities and the results of the images coming out?
Also do you think the lumix lab app will be compatible with the s5 ii regarding luts?
Pros for S9 vs S5ii: 258g lighter than S5ii, Smaller body, $300 cheaper than S5ii, LUT mayhem if you're into that, Cold shoe
Pros for S5ii vs S9: EVF, Mechanical shutter, Dual card slots, Headphone jack, True unlimited recording with a fan, Way more buttons and customization in the body, Proxy recording, 14bit Raw files, Better grip, Weather sealed body, Hot shoe for flash photography and XLR adapter
ooof yeah the weather-sealing is my biggest problem with the S9. I still use my S5 mark i and that thing has toughed out heavy rain, basically drenched in water with no problem at all. I can't see myself ever going non weather sealed.
Id love to see a beauty mode/ smooth skin mode in this camera since it seems to be mainly for social media and content creation
Beautiful footage, love full frame. However, I would not buy a camera workout a viewfinder! In bright sunlight a rear screen is hard to work with.
What is your definition of budget??
When the strangers are just as friendly and curious as the deer... 😂 Panasonic is definitely going hard to grab market share. Love the innovation and bang for the buck.
Nobody is mentioning about the screen brightness on summer sunny days, since there is no EWF. Will I be able to shoot any picture with confidence ?
Yeah it drives me crazy not having an EVF. I still get the shots but u can’t double check them
It has the same screen as the S5II which goes up around 1000nits plus. It's really usable. I'm not an EVF shooter, and I use my S5II on bright sunny days shooting weddings with no issue. Sometimes I manually force it to the highest setting, because the auto setting sometimes leaves it a bit too dark for my taste.
I would think that a better comparison would be this camera vs. The Sony A7C2. Both full frame. Both compact.
Next time I’m getting you in my video danggit.
What lens were you using when filming with the monitor
I was wondering why you didn't mention the video limitations and just flash a message about them in the screen. I guess is to avoid not being invited the next trip 😊
I’m pretty the Panasonic team can read as well as you can
Any info on when the app will be available?
I want them to take LUTs to m4/3, and the pocket lineup too, all the Lumix cameras 🥰
A family member just today told me the plan to buy an older m43 Lumix, I wish they had a newer option
@@stalman I Wouldn't blame that person weather just want to learn or have something to have fun that doesn't cost a lot and plenty of capabilities and one of the easiest for the user interfaces since ages. I hope that family member of your have a good time with it!
hi, not a camera for me, but i thought yours was a very good and balanced review.
I'm torn between the fujifilm XS-20 and this one, I just want a camera to take jpgs on family trips without thinking too much about it, I'm guessing because of the full frame sensor, this camera would be better for moving subjects or night photography
If there’s a lens that seems like a good fit on the Lumix, you’ve got more maximum quality potential from it. But the Fuji shooting experience will be more enjoyable.
If you guys sell it Im all in.
I have s5 of course i wanted to update to s5II solely for the AF (from garbage to usable)
As I was expecting a s1h II or something like that I was waiting.
But a s9 could fit me, I rarely shot more than 15 min footage.
I also shoot an olympic champion and when Im with him he wants to have the file really fast (so back to hotel to unload+ short edit and send him back)
I could see a really good use of s9 in this scenario. wether its photo or video sometimes I retouch some but he still just post some raw photos. So if at least I could have a lut on it etc that would be already cool for a fast share
Perfect b camera for s5 owner
@@renzheng 200-400$ less it would have been perfect. Lets wait 1year then its prize will be interesting.
P.S. They're not auto-focus, but the two lenses which I've had in mind for my Leica TL2 are these M-mount Voigtlaender lenses: 28mmF2.8 at 106g; and the 35mmF1.5 at 188g. The M-L adaptors weigh between 75-100g depending if you get a close-focus mechanism.
It cant be true that they removed any sign of a viewfinder for the size. Other example exist of small fullframe cameras
i was constantly hoping the guy would reappear throughout the review
Are these integration apps and features coming to the other Panasonic cameras?
It has been confirmed that they are coming to the G9 ii and the S5ii and X
3:00 Ojisan! Stop it please! Hahahaha
So what lens suit for now？
Which Sigma lenses would you recommend for this camera?
I would basically use Sigma when the Lumix lenses isn't small enough, so the 17mm, 24mm and maybe 35mm seem great. But I haven't used them outside a store yet
There was no Fuji X100iv. Why not comparing it to the vi instead? ;)
2:57 "we've been trying to contact you concerning your car's extended warranty "
I am very curious how easy it is to use the punch in zoom for manual focus, Because like my sigma FPL I would assume that this would be great with some fast manual focus lenses. Esp the very affordable stuff coming out of china. TTArtisans 50 F2 or Pergear 35 F1.4 would probably both be great. If I worked in a camera shop I would have plenty of those on hand to demo with the camera to potential customers that have never been able to play with Bokeh before.
On my normal AF Lumix lenses, the punch in is great. But the weird thing is that the MF 23mm lens wouldn’t do it automatically, I had to tap a button
I ordered that TTArtisan so I’ll find out soon
@@stalman I have to tap a button on my Sigma FPL as well, in the settings you can decide whether it’s a Picture in Picture or a full screen push in. The sigma also has a touch screen allowing you to quickly select where in the frame you want to punch in, how do you select this on the LUMIX? If you have other L mount cameras, I love my 7artisans 50 F1.05 but it’s larger and more expensive, much less of an impulse buy than the 50 f2. I recently picked up the monster TTArtisans 90 f1.25 with lots of compromise to deliver extremely dreamy bokeh filled portraits. Also my solution to LED banding is just to set the shutter speed to 1/60 and the ISO to Auto for indoor shooting.
@@stalmanI want to say that there is an override in the S5 to force the punch in on MF? been awhile since I set that up
What camera are you using to film this vlog though?
Almost everything is shot on the S9, except a couple on the S5II
So their LUT feature is essentially a Conversion LUT + a Stylistic LUT in one go?!
❤️
I can be or you can stack two luts, a transform and a style
Such video limits in 2024. OMG, Panasonic, what are you doin'?
Is this really a budget option for 1500?
A photo-centric design for a Video* Creator's Camera....with a short video recording limit. 😅
I feel like that record limit is their biggest problem
Will MP4 Lite & Lumix Lab be coming to the S5iiX?
Lumix Lab for sure, they didn’t say about MP4 lite but probably
@@stalman Thx for the quick response :)
Do you sell the Under NDA hat??
random 3 minute guy is my favorite new character
2:58 is gold hahaha
Bro at 3:00 was a vibe 🤣🤣🤣
If you get a plug-in battery would it go beyond 15 minutes for video?
It doesn't have a good cooling system, so that 15 minute limit is cause it'd overheat otherwise.
3:09 15 minute record limit? 😮💨
This thing is trash.
Does it have in body focus bracketing/stacking for macro?
Yes it does, same as the S5II
@@stalman
That's great.
Thanks 😊
Osaka looking good!
sorry, make that Kyoto.
both 😍
Both! Good eye 😉
@@stalman I noticed you Monitor on top in one short clip. Need your insight on something.
So I have multiple S5 II for Professional Event Work… could I slap on one of my Atomos Ninja V for those moments I need a long form safety shot. So I can use this as a hybrid ?
@@moneyboys2010 That actually wasn't my camera, it as someone else in the group but Panasonic did say external recorders won't have a record time limit
Lacks EVF :( ..... my GX85 have... i Love GX85... Mix and compact camera and good quality image for photos and vídeos.. The S9 is incredible but lack EVF.
“Smaller than an X without a lens” is like describing “Ford’s new F-150 is lighter than the same size Chevy if you don’t fit an engine”.
😂
they cut off all the base line to be at least good enough for a main cam..
So you download the image to your phone and then upload?
Why not just shoot on your phone?
How long before an app alows 1 touch LUT application on your phone, and then the S9 becomes useless.
Kino just launched for 1 touch lut on the phone
But if full frame cameras also look very different than phone
After seeing so many negative videos about the camera it was good to see this.
If I had to decide I'd take Canon R8 + RF28 f2.8
This justified the need to pick up the RF28 f2.8 for my Canon R8. Seriously!
I don’t blame you. If canon made a range finder shaped camera I’d go for it
Nice color you chose.
“Hello” 😂😂😂
It looks a lot like the XE-4
Too stripped down for me to consider. Will wait for future lumix L mount bodies to consider
ummmmmm no flash photography too bad...i think lumix should just release a handycam style much more comfortable to hold if they are serious about photography in this
We need a real pancake lens with AF and F2.8...
Exactly. This 23mm was a letdown
All I wanted is an S5ii without the EVF. This was too simplified imo.
Like just having a b camera for talking head stuff. Not having to worry about the 15min record limit.
Also no mechanical shutter. Doesn't make sense.
Yeah same here, a little too simplified
A camera with a LUT button? Sign me up!
i think it’s so smart, for anyone who wants to move away from spending all their time editing after the fact, after all the years of social media training us to over process it’s gonna be an adjustment but how freeing 🥹
Lumix created a lens cap with a small hunk of glass on the front… can you put filters on the lens? Nope…
You can’t even put a lens cap on it
Just a random wholesome Hello 3:00 😊
❤
no mic jack is a deal breaker.
It has a mic jack, what it's missing is a headphone jack
Hello 🙂
if not 40 mp at least 33 mp
1,500 a budget camera? 😭 somebody buy it for me since it’s soooo on a budget
8:32 the deer probably doesn’t understand you…. Given that they all speak Japanese obviously 😂
I know 🥹
they speak the universal language of love 🥹
NO FLASH?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?
They could beat Fujifilm at the in camera colors grading, but then ruined the camera...no evf no mechanic.....why? The price should have been higher and have all those features....with love i would have payed 1800 for the camera...or s5xii price....So it looks Canon will learn from these mistakes from fuji, panasonic and nikon and sony and get it right
Bro skip the shooting in public, at least in japan. No need to turn asia into usa where you cannot walk a block without walking into someone’s video. Just enjoy the video, shoot samples and voice over later.
“Cinematic Colors”
Bro it’s 4:2:0 lol
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Why would I want to transfer full-frame quality to my phone to put on instagram? I don't understand.
Those record limits must be a joke 🥲
Won't replace my fuji x100S until it gets an evf or Ovf.
2:58 He must be from China
Hello 😂