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@UrbanCaffeine It's a railroad, not a subway.
Every 30 minutes? This really is the forgotten borough
matches up with the ferry schedule
@@stevenroshni1228I mean they can still run more trains and still keep the ones that line up with the ferries. Would def help for traversing the island itself
The Saint George station has four tracks and four trains per hour termination during overnight hours the Sir has a train every ten minutes during rush hours and they go express in the non peak direction
Ya, it’s every 30 mins because it’s not a subway. It’s a railway
Express buses are more useful 😊
When I visited Staten Island during my six days in NYC in July 2022, the fact that SIR didn’t have fare gates at its station completely threw me. I actually missed a train back to St George from the southern terminus of Tottenville, after walking there from New York’s southernmost point, because I was looking for were I was supposed to tap my OMNY card. Ended up having to ask a Conductor or someone where the tap point was, only to have him inform me that it was at the exit of St George.
A very nice video. I'm happy that you made it to Staten Island. Would you believe that in the 1970's before the city's fiscal crisis, the Staten Island Ferry ran boats at every 20 minutes during the day times and early evenings, and that ferries every 30 minutes was the midnight schedule - when the island had fewer folks than it does now. The SIR and transit buses generally followed the same schedule as the ferries to better make connections. After the city's fiscal crisis and for about the next 35+ years the 30-minute and 60-minute wait time was the essence of traveling by transit and ferries on Staten Island. Most young folks today simply can not imagine having to wait an hour (60-minutes) for a ferry to reach Staten Island on the weekends or late nights. That's one reason why plenty of Staten Islander's drive to where ever they need to go. The station that you had visited, "Old Town" - is near the S53 and S79 MTA public transit buses that cross the VNZ Bridge. Many Staten Islander's also use MTA Express Buses to travel between Manhattan and Staten Island. Recently the NYC Ferry opened a terminal near the Staten Island Ferry, and the Empire Outlet Mall (that you had visited) which quickly travels from Staten Island, to nearby the World Trade Center, and the West 39th Street Pier, at $4 per ride. I'm glad that you enjoyed yourself while visiting Staten Island.
Well, the reason the line is like a subway, is that at one time they were seriously considering attaching the SIR to the "proper" New York Subway (specifically the BMT 4th Avenue Line in Brooklyn), they were contemplating a tunnel. To prepare for this, it was electrified to the same standards as the subway (shrouded 3rd rail at 600 volts), in the 1920s, even though it was originally owned by the Baltimore and Ohio, and by this point was under the PRR umbrella (would then be merged with Chesepeake and Ohio, and only in 1971 did the MTA take over the line, with the proviso that C & O could still run freight service. Also, the line used the ancient "ME-1" subway cars from electrification until 1973, almost 50 years!)
It used to have branches (some partially exist still, for freight use). Like the line that exists, the North Shore and South Beach branches were also electrified. Both were ended in 1953 (remember, this is before the MTA took over), due to low ridership, made worse by direct competition with city-owned buses. There was also a spur to what was the biggest orphanage in New York State, Mount Loretto. Until 1939, every third Sunday there'd be a chartered train between St. George and Mount Loretto for relatives and visitors (after that they switched to buses). It was hauled by a steam locomotive, as this branch wasn't electrified. Freight service ended in the late 1950s, and that branch was ripped in the early 60s. Part of the North Shore line was BRIEFLY resurrected between 2001 and 2010 for the Ballpark station (which ALSO required paying on entering and exiting)
Until the 90's, this line had conductors collecting fares and checking tickets onboard like was previously the norm on many commuter trains. When they changed the rules, they only put turnstiles at St George, but Tompkinsville also got them because it was found that people were getting on and off there and walking to and from the ferry terminal to cheat the system.
Until 2007, this line used colored signals inherited from B & O, now it uses cab signaling and automatic train control. This line is SORT of under the FRA, but has a bunch of waivers, that allow it to run more like a subway line than, say, PATH does.
Also, you flubbed at 7:33, it's Staten Island, you accidentally said Roosevelt.
There was also a second attempt in the 1930s with the IND second system to connect the Ft Hamilton branch, todays F line with Staten Island . In Brooklyn the infrastructure was built, express tracks the entire line route to feed into Staten Island.
There once was a project to connect Staten Island to the rest of the subway via an actual tunnel and I think it actually started construction but was abandoned
I think it waa supposed to connect into Brooklyn, right? One could argue for an expansion to connect into New Jersey as well from Tottenville.
There's actually 150 ft of tunnel already excavated under Owl's Head Park in Bay Ridge
The view over the water of Perth Amboy from Tottenville (Last stop of the SIR) it’s breathtaking. Loving every single of your videos. Thank you for what you do.
Incorrect. You’re talking about Tottenville. Fort Totten is in Queens
@@metro-sn you’re fully right.
Perth Amboy, and the NJ Transit line with direct service to Penn Station, is sooo tantalizingly close to Tottenville. If they’d tunnel under the Arthur Kill less than a mile, the SIR could connect with NJT and SI could have almost direct rail to Manhattan. One can dream!
If you're in the mood for good pizza 🍕 Check out Lee's Tavern at the Dongan Hills station across the street from the station. BTW The Staten Island Railway has 6 stations for wheelchair passengers. (1) Arthur Kill (2) Dongan Hills (3) Great Kills (4) New Dorp (5) St. George (6) Tottenville
I’ve been on the Staten Island Railway so many times and it’s fascinating how the train line stops in each station of the neighborhoods of Staten Island but have to wait every 30 minutes for a train. Fun fact that 2 stations you have to pay the Staten Island fare at St George and Tompkinsville. The rest of the line is free. Nassau and Atlantic stations were eliminated and added Arthur Kill in between stations. There was a North Shore line that ran pass Richmond Terrace by the Container Terminal by the Goethals Bridge. Existing tracks are still there to see in parts of the Island. There are a few accessible stations in Staten Island including St George,Dongan Hills, New Dorp, Great Kills,Arthur Kill and Tottenville.
Part of the North Shore was briefly resurrected between 2001 and 2010 for the short-lived Ballpark station. And during its existence, that station also had turnstiles. There was also a South Beach branch, closed at the same time as the North Shore, but the tracks were torn up sooner, and you never hear about it (every so often there's talk about resurrecting the North Shore, either as rapid transit, as light rail, or as a busway)
0:54 no, there are buses over the Verrazano Narrows Bridge that connect the SIR to the subway at Bay Ridge in Brooklyn.
Finally someone addressed it... Are they more pain in the ass to use than a ferry? Like if you need to go to Brooklyn or Queens, will it be more convenient to take the bus?
@@Psevdonim123i think the bus is more convenient if you go to south-western brooklyn/queens. if the destination is closer to manhattan, then ferry+subway is better
@@lolicon4 the SIR-bus option will be completely free tho, if you manage to change from bus to subway in two hours
Towards the end you called it the Roosevelt Island subway!! 🤣 Love your videos tho!
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If you listen she heavily talks about Manhattan a lot. I think she only said Brooklyn Queens and the Bronx once. 🤣😂😂 so it makes sense she would make the mistake and say Roosevelt Island. 🤣🤣😂😂
@@silverskyscraper1179Thea doesn't realize that the Staten Island Railway isn't a subway. It's a railroad.
The Staten Island Rapid Transit (SIRT) was originally operated by the B&O railroad (Baltimore & Ohio). When my father was a boy, the family took the ferry from Perth Amboy to the Tottenville station and the SI ferry, and then the subway to see relatives in the Bronx. The ride takes about 40 minutes from one end to the other.
Apparently the Mango Mango on SI is the best one in the city. I went there the day I decided to explore the SI subway and it was pretty nice. Bigger than other Mango Mangos I've been to. The bathroom had every kind of product you could imagine (feminine hygiene, cologne, mouth wash with little cups, floss, hair gel etc).
“So that’s the Roosevelt Island Subway” 😂 I had to laugh. Girl you are urbanized as hell! Great video
I've never been on the SIR or really on Staten Island in general, but after watching ActionKid's video and your video. It makes me want to see what it's like. The train stations there look like they have a similar vibe to the train stations in South Brooklyn with the greenery.
Thank you for your Vlogmas series! Although it`s only the second video, I already find that the idea to show different facets of NYC almost in real time is really useful for the outsiders and future tourists like me to understand the flow of the city nowadays (in another words, how the city works and what to expect from it right now). Also, it`s always a pleasure to look at the New York preparing for winter holidays. :)
P.S. The fact you have never used the Staten Island subway for me was funny a little bit, as I was almost going to answer "Oh, me too!", when you said in the video, that it was your first time on the local metro. The stereotype in my head, that every new-yorker knows the city like their five fingers, was totally ruined. x)
Staten Island is quite the nice borough 😊 needs more recognition! The borough of parks!
Props to SIR crews who keep the trains and stations so clean. ROW is pretty spotless by NYC standards as well.
Great video but you mentioned Rosevelt Island at the end. ;-)
I never used the subway in Staten Island...just never really had a reason to because I usually always take the ferry there and take a bus from the ferry terminal! My favorite thing to do in Staten Island Is Eat At Colonade Diner Which Is Like On My Top 5 favorite diners to eat at...highly recommend it! I also like to explore the abandoned hospital there as well when I go down that way! Very interesting video! Happy Holidays Beautiful Lady😘😘😘xox
Thanks for doing this video! We have lived in Hell's Kitchen for 10 years, only been to Staten Island a few times, and never been on the SI subway. Interesting and informative!!
The railway has interesting hostory:
Cornelius Vanderbuilt (before being a railway tycoon) was a shipping tycoon and had moopoly on the ferries betwene Staten Island and Manhattan. He built a railway to bring people to the ferry terminal.
Later, the rail line was bought by Baltimore and Ohio and was connected to mainland, allowing the B&O to bring passengers to New York via staten island and the ferries (before the hudson tunnels were built, many railroaads served NJ with ferry connection to NY).
The video has Geoff Marshall vibe, it's really nice, you should do more videos like that
I'm enjoying this series.
I've never been to New York - the state or the city. (I'm in Seattle.) Yes, I am guilty of once thinking that all of New York looks like Manhattan. Also, fun fact, I once had a hard time finding Staten Island on a map, because I didn't realize how large the place is.
As you probably know the NCY Ferry System goes from the city to Staten Island . It goes from Midtown West, then stops at Battery Park City and on to St. George near the Empire Outlets. One can enter or exit the ferry at. Battery Park. Here's a tip - if you plan to take a round trip , buy two tickets when you start because they do not sell round trip tickets . The time schedule is set up in a manner that when you end the trip, the ride back starts about 5 to 10 later where you need to have that new ticket at $4.00. All the various routes around the city offer great views of the city. The boats are have heat/AC in the lower cabins and an open upper deck . Coffee, soda and snacks are available as well as rest rooms. There are routes that up the east side of the city with stops in Brooklyn as well as trips as far out as Rockaway Beach. The hours are from early morning thru the later evening.
I was born and raised in Brooklyn. I got married lived on Staten Island for 18 years! I’ve never ridden or wanted to ride the SIR. I drive and I only took the ferry for about 4 years when I worked in Manhattan near Battery Park. I later worked near Penn Station, across from Madison Square Garden and that’s when I discovered and loved traveling by express bus. I lived on the other side of the island where there are only buses. I could go on but I’ll leave it at that! I’m retired now and relocated to another state! So so happy. I watch other CZcams videos of vloggers exploring NYC and the 5 boroughs. I enjoyed your video and thank you 😊
Nobody calls it a subway except you. SIR stands for Staten Island Railway because the stops are all above ground. There was nobody else at the Old Town station you were at because you were there at off peak hours. You probably just got off the train. Which is like after 9am. During off peak hours you get one train every half hour if there are no delays. At late night one train every hour. During rush hour in the mornings, noon time, and evenings you get a train every 10-15 minutes and they are crowded. Some of them run express and skip stations.
Right by the Tompkinsville stop ( first stop after St George ) there is a cool brewery Flagship Brewery
LOLOLOL not me doing random research about this during my ride home on NJT this morning, coming home and finding this posted. Too funny!
Although I'm from New Jersey I find all of your videos very entertaining and informative keep up the good work you're the best.
Great Video, I'm digging the vlogmas series!
You can take S53 or S79 into Bay Ride and connect with the (R) train at 86th Street
Thanks for the new series , Thea ... 12 days of you , will certainly make this holiday season so much better ... Please be safe , in the belly of the beast... p.s. Love the shades ...
I’ve never been to NYC but I find it strange that 30 minute service is considered terrible. It’s considered anywhere from good to okay everywhere I’ve lived!
There is another ferry service that connects Manhattan to Staten Island but is not free and it runs during the weekdays only.
Great video and editing. I hardly have ever been to, I mean I never have been to Staten Island either. 😅 Both informative and interesting.
I’m used to waiting 6 hours at Union Station, Chicago. The wait there would feel too short, especially without a Chick-fi-le.
At Old Town there are squirrels where in Manhattan there would be rats...
Great video, i definitely have wanted to explore this line so thanks for the video. I live in Philly, specifically near two regional rail lines that are contained within the city, with some stops that feel a lot like Old Town. It is so funny how relative things are because i would KILL for 30 minute frequencies on these two lines since they are very well connected with Center City but have one hour frequencies AT BEST (Philly subways tend to be 6-20 min frequencies though, which is still weak compared to nyc)
During my more recent visit to NYC I decided to take the ferry to Staten Island because I had never been there before. My plan was to be there all day, taking the subway where I could and just see what there was to see. But it was rainy, and when I got there on the ferry it was raining hard, so I waited at that outlet mall for about two hours. It just kept raining and wasn't going to let up any time soon, so I went back to the ferry, and unfortunately never saw any more of the island. Maybe some day I'll try again.
More people lives in staten island than in the city of new Orleans. I think they deserve better
small note about the ferry: it runs additional service during rush hour (every 15 minutes if i remember right). the SIR actually has express service during rush hour, too, but runs differently from your normal express subway. During the morning rush hour, express trains are headed towards the ferry terminal, and skip every stop after new dorp. During evening rush hour, for express service, all stations are skipped up until great kills. Express trains also run at the same time as the local trains, which still run every 30 min
yep. A sort of uniqne scheduling solution, the express leaves the ferry right before the local and rushes ahead
My friend it's called the Staten Island Railway, not the "Staten Island Subway."
You can also called the Staten Island Railway by its earlier name The Staten Island Rapid Transit.
During my week’s visit to New York, I stayed at the Harbour House Hotel, a ten minute walk from Clifton station. There is a great view of New York from the esplanade and it’s next to Alice Austen House.
Not 10 minutes is forever 😂 girl in Philly I feel like that's excellent
To be honest I’ve been on the Staten Island rail at a lot and I don’t mind the longer wait for that lol
I don’t know why, but I enjoy being out there :)
Lol, your funny. But just a couple of things I want to mention to you. It’s technically not a part of the New York City Transit (subway). It’s the Staten Island railway, the 4th and tiniest rail system behind the behemoth NYC Transit, Long Island RR and Metro-North commuter RR. And all four of the MTA’s rail systems are “ heavy rail“.
And that word “Subway” is used by N.J. Transit for that outside street “light rail” trolley system too. So I guess you can call it a subway also. But all in all good work. ✔️
The best train stops to get off are: New Dorp, Great Kills, Eltingville and Huguenot.
I was born in Brooklyn but grew up in Eltingville from 1959-1973 Great Kills and New Dorp were my two other favorite stations as well
Always had an affinity for Huguenot. Still feels like small town USA, with the mom-and-pop stores, delis, public library, and a few churches within walking distance of the train station.
@edwardp3502 I still remember the Library in Great Kills from walking distance from the train station. My favorite store in Great Kills during the 60's was the 5 and dime store.
I lived my entire life until three years ago and I have no ridden the S/I subway. It's a shame that they can't increase ridership but it seems as if the land usage around the stations isn't transit oriented at all. It would also be helpful if they connected it to Brooklyn.
the ferry is not the only way to connect to the city we have many express buses and also you can drive to the city crossing the Verrazano bridge . our borough is pretty and quiet, you can smell peace here . thanks
5:29 😂
I’ve only taken the SI train a few times, it’s only busy at rush hour and all other times feels sketchy as hell lol. I think the outlet mall at the ferry is bankrupt now. That terminal has been such a hot mess since the wheel contract miserably fell through.
Maybe you should ride the NJ Transit on the west side of the Hudson River. See how it compares to MNRR, LIRR, and SIR.
Those old trains are the R44 SIR cars or ME-2s the R44MLs or NYCT R44s or just the Subway R44s retired 13 years ago in 2010 after only 39 years of service they retired pre-maturely but the SIR R44s are still strong after over 50 years since 1973 same with the R46 since those are 48 years old
That Old Town stop looks like it's in the middle of a leafy green suburb and not in the fifth borough. And isn't the north shore next to Bayonne more developed? So how come it gets only busses?
There was a North Shore branch that closed in 1953. The city, in its infinite wisdom, undercut the B&O operated SIRT branch by lowering the fare on competing bus lines, forcing the North Shore line to close as riders opted for the cheaper (and slower) buses. Manufacturing and shipbuilding companies closing in Port Richmond and Mariners Harbor when WW2 ended didn’t help ridership any.
Do you ever see the Sir r211 testing
Remember this is the Staten Island Railway. It’s actually a railroad.
And ten mins is long and the train are old? The Far Rockaway A train would like a word with you
LOL your first mistake was thinking the Staten Island Railway was a subway to begin with 😂 but I definitely live for these vlogs
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Most people take express buses from SI to the city
5:35 That is heavy rail. Light rail means trolleys and trams.
7:34 Roosevelt Island subway
7:34 Roosevelt Island subway?
I stayed on Staten Island 3 days and did not even know about its subway. 😤
I tried so hard to find something unique to do when I was there but other than take the SIR (which I couldn’t do because I was accompanying my sister at the time and we were on a schedule) and the mall, there wasn’t much of anything else to do or go. NYC really needs to work on making SI feel less isolated from the other boroughs
I last visited NYC as a tourist in 2019 and taking the Staten Island ferry was all part of the experience. It was meant to be a round trip, but the outlets development had just opened, so we ventured a little bit inland.
What are your interests? There is a lovely botanical garden and cultural center about 10 minutes from the ferry, if you head to lighthouse point immediately to your left when you exit the terminal, there is the Lighthouse museum which has all kinds of exhibits about NYC Maritime History. If take the 51 bus line up to Fort Wadsworth, there are normally tons of events there during the summer months and is one of the best places to watch 4th of July fireworks one the Island. Another good spot around that area is the Alice Austen Museum, a house museum dedicated to a pioneering queer photographer who lived on the island. Not too far from Alice Austen is legitimately one of the best Sri Lankan resteraunts in NYC, as well as an astounding Sri Lankan museum right across the street. The past few years, there have been multiple organizations hosting free movies and concerts on a weekly basis at multiple locations near the ferry. And if you wanted to go further inland, Staten Island's beaches are some of the best kept secrets in the city, there are tons of large parks and nature preserves, the Island is home to the oldest continually inhabited free black settlements in the country, there is an entire colonial town setup in the middle of the island with Historic Richmondtown, a much healthier and diverse food scene than people would expect, etc...
Unfortunately, it's tough to find the info about everything everyone is doing consolidated in one place and it helps immensely to have someone familiar with the cultural scene on the island to guide you. And I can't say for certain that the things we have here would be to your taste. But there is a fair bit more on this rock than people give it credit for, and I'm certain we can find something you'd like here.
The Staten Island Railway is actually a commuter railroad
It’s a rapid transit railway. Uses slightly modified NYC subway cars, has no conductors taking tickets, makes stops every mile or so. Definitely not a commuter railroad.
so the SIR seems more like it operates on a NJ Transit schedule
I think that the Staten Island Railway is run as a separate company from the NYC Subway?So in a way it's like PATH when is a subway/metro not one of those things?
Nope they are owned by the same company
The SIR is under the NYC Transit umbrella as a sort of junior member. The line was rebuilt and electrified to BMT subway standards in 1925 with similar rolling stock to connect with a planned subway connection to Brooklyn that was never built.
Wasn't Rodney Dangerfield's character in Easy Money living in SI?
It definitely was
They need to runn trains back to 10 mins Headways
5:29 what street is that?🤨
Bendover Street 😂
You didn't know the name of the SIR, the Staten Island Railway not the SIS, Staten Island Subway. Maybe you should've learn about this since you live in Brooklyn.
NO!!!!! This is the Staten Island RAILWAY!!!!!!!!
I’m not sure if she’s joking when she says she couldn’t figure out how to get to the opposite platform at Old Town. Just like the city subway, you take the stairs and cross under or over the tracks (in this case, under).
But she had to cross the street. In other words, she had to leave the system. The saving grace is that with no turnstiles to worry about, it's nearly as good as having a bridge or tunnel.
For native Staten Islanders, it must be annoying as heck to keep seeing it called the "Staten Island Subway". It's a railway through and through, with only one small portion just outside St. George even being underground.
those of us city folks refer to all portions of new york city subway as the subway even the above ground parts. staten island railway is runs just like the subway
SIRT in NOT a subway. The entire route is at ground level. It operates under FRA rules and guidelines for employees and equipment. The R44 and soon the R211S are designed with a commuter RR car type cab operation. This was inherited from the previous parent operator B&O RR and was grandfathered much like the PATH was from the PRR.
Who is Thea's accompanying cinematographer? (Credit where credit is due.)
Good video, but I cringed every time you called it the Staten Island subway. I've only ridden it once, but I have always heard it referred to as the Staten Island Railway (as the maps show).
stations are pretty empty as the trains are infrequent and there is very low density developments such as single family units surrounding the stations. if they had much more mixed use developments, dense structures, and frequent trains, ridership would be a lot higher
Depends on what time of day you ride. Can get pretty full during weekday rush hours and when high schools let out.
It should be part of jersey
It’s a matter of being in control of the bay. Fundamental piece of NYC development.
Staten Island really needs a rail connection to New Jersey (maybe the hudson bergen light rail or the PATH)
Well, good luck to the USCG and the states of New York and New Jersey.
If you want to know Staten Island trains are old r and n trains
Nope. They were built for the Staten Island Rapid Transit in 1973.
It's not a subway it's a Railway.
subways are underground
why are they charging people to exit? its kinda expensive isn't it? to pay twice to travel
She's paying for her return trip back to The St George station. That's how they collect your fare. She got back on the train from the Old Town station for free, but it you take your return trip back to next to two last stop on the line you paid for your return trip that way
Since 90% of riders enter and exit the SIR at St. George and Tompkinsville, they only charge riders at those two stops. It would cost the MTA more to install and maintain turnstiles, MetroCard machines and fencing at the other stations than they would ever capture from fares. Many riders at the other stops also take buses to reach their station, so the MTA still captures a big chunk of the fares when riders use the bus/train combo.
In a lot of ways, Staten Island is more related to New Jersey than to the rest of New York City.
It's not a subway ..... its staten island rail road ....and trains that outside above the street it's call elevated train ....train that in the tunnel it's call subway
Staten Island Railway* not a subway.
Why do you call it a subway?
SIRT is a different operating authority from TA ... and guess what the "R" stands for?
It’s actually not a subway it’s a railway
Why do you say Staten Island Subway it isn't a subway
(SIR) Staten Island Railway
Its a railway because it doesn't have any underground stations and it was built by the (B&O) Baltimore and Ohio Railroad for rapid transit service, though it was converted to IND/BMT standards as both companies wanted to extend out to Staten Island with the BMT 59th street tunnel connection on 4th Ave or Bay ridge 95th street extension and the IND Fort Hamilton extension off the IND culver line.
The SIR uses R44 the sister subway car to the R46, Staten Island is the only place to fine the r44s which were given because they were the few subways cars that were FRA certified. They replaced the SIRT ME-1 cars built by Standard Steel car company.
probably because the R44 tested on the LIRR Main line between Jamaica and Woodside hitting the world subway car speed record of 87 mph.
As a Londoner, does anyone actually call it a 'Subway'? Because, well... it's not even called a Subway...
Not on Staten Island, though it’s very similar to elevated or below-grade subway lines in the other 4 boroughs of NYC.
@@edwardp3502 I thought as much. Thanks
Why do you insist on calling it a “subway”? It is a railroad.
Because it's part of the NYC subway system ( railroad underground ) which is mostly underground. Perhaps 95 % of it ? The subway also has a few above ground tracks in other places.
Anyone support light rail and streetcars on staten Island? Car dependency sucks and buses are inefficient.
The main streets on SI are tight and twisty, most dating from the late 1700s-early 1800s. Never mind the hills. Streetcars just not practical.
@@edwardp3502 Why not put streetcars on stroads such as Hylan Blvd? Staten Island can't be fully car dependency forever. Streetcars and Trams will return in the future.
@@durece100 Hylan Blvd parallels the Staten Island Railway for much of its length so it would be very redundant. And the S79 Limited bus already serves a similar function as a tram would. Factoring in weather issues and crowded traffic, a tram would be slower than the bus. Nobody wants to take a 30 minute tram ride to go grocery shopping when they can do better in 10 minutes with a car.
@@edwardp3502 You're misleading. First of all, it's S79 Select Bus Service. Second, Staten Island Railway has a low frequency, it take 20 to 30.minutes, and sometimes it's skip stops, other times runs local all stations, and third, the S79 sbs and Staten Island Ferry are too slow to go through brooklyn or Manhattan.
@@edwardp3502 Nobody wants to drive a car. Stop being a car centric freak!
First of all, it's literally called the Staten Island RAILWAY, not subway