Excessively bad misinformation about excess mortality
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*The ToryGraph and The Daily Fail.
You weren't this critical when these papers were pushing the covid vaccine, were you?
I actually read the study when I saw the first signals in social media and it took me about five minutes to realise what garbage it was. I simply cannot understand how this thing got published in BMJ.
Me too. You don't have to be an expert to see how dodgy the study was
" I simply cannot understand how this thing got published in BMJ."
Maybe influence from Vinay Prasad?
@@aimeemilne7534 If only people could have seen how incredibly dodgy the "vaccine" "studies" were.
In an in depth science video on Plant Chompers CZcams channel a BMJ article on nutrition making bogus claims is discussed. The idea is speculated that the BMJ publishes controversy from time to time just to boost circulation. Losing respect for money, a risky and rather dirty strategy.
It's not in the main BMJ journal, but one of its "daughters". It is still relatively new, and they clearly do not have the best administrative personnel. Their "editorial board" is filled with mistakes. Just as an examples, apparently there is a University of Washington in Iran. No, there isn't.
Just a reminded to everyone that the people who write the headline for the story are not the same people who write the actual story. Indeed, “Headline Writers” are famously often at odds with “Story Writers”. Headline Writers are trying to get people to reads a story, so often write them to sensationalize stories.
For my beloved mRNA dice-rolling nutjobs.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36055877/
Combined, there was a 16 % higher risk of serious adverse events in mRNA vaccine recipients: risk difference 13.2 (95 % CI -3.2 to 29.6); risk ratio 1.16 (95 % CI 0.97 to 1.39).
This comes down to 1 out of 800 people suffering serious adverse effects after the mRNA shots... and the study took only short term effects into account.
More detail and arguments:
czcams.com/video/GoP33N4Qw8Q/video.html
Follow the science... 🙈🙊🙉
Dear me, Keith. Indeed you're right but then why don't you read the meat to see how far removed the substance actually is from that headline?
So it's like saying safe and effective when you didn't even read the report. You just want people to take the poison
I think you may be suffering from cognitive dissonance Keith
@@peterdowney1492 It was not my intent to suggest that the disparity in content and headline was correct but merely to highlight why this often happens. It is a particular problem in science comms which I was not aware of until a number of years ago.
In New Zealand, it seemed like there were fewer deaths than expected at first, but this wasn’t the whole story.
Before COVID-19, New Zealand’s population was growing, like adding more cookies to your jar every day. When the borders closed, the population stopped growing as much, so the number of deaths needed to be adjusted to reflect this change.
When we take this into account, we find that New Zealand actually had slightly more deaths than expected, not fewer. So, New Zealand’s situation is not so different from other places once we consider how the changing population size affected the numbers.
No it didn't. When our borders closed we had a massive surge in population, as citizens fled C19 in other countries.
At least 250,000 people moved home 2020 - 2023.
The journalism is just awful, most of these media outlets facing immense competition from places like social media so they pretty much rely on clickbait articles to traffic engagement to earn revenue.
Yeah BMJ has been shilling for pharma the whole time. That is not journalism.
@@SaviorMoney-777 A huge about of the clinical trial related BS was courtesy of a paper from Peter Doshi at the BMJ. He had the right to question access to the data, but his nonsense fuelled so much fear mongering from those cashing in on anti-vax sentiment
And none of the employees/journalists for these media companies know wtf they are talking about when it comes to most scientific topics. They read the title of a journal paper and write a story about it, or even worse, they read a story from someone else that does this, and then write their own story on it.
I agree, journalists are clickbait artists not journalists anymore. Jon Stewart has an excellent commentary on it.
@@razerginn Was bound to happen with the internet and basic capitalism. We need government funded media, but then people would whine and say it was "state media", and "lying for the government". But private funding inherently causes this, you view profit over all else. Accuracy and facts fall to the wayside and only clicks and views matter.
Unfortunately, you should not be surprised BMJ published this.
Two words: Vinay Prasad
Let me guess ...they're right wing or something 🙄
Your ilk is so predictable
@@hugh-jasole And so what is predictable about a huge arsehole?
Thanks, I figured that there was probably nothing to this. It's pretty funny to me when the same people who say to distrust the media and experts are suddenly citing the media and experts.
OWID isn't "the media and experts".
We do not suddenly trust the Media just because they make a show of pretending to report the news, but we do rejoice after 4 years of continuous crying out to loved ones to avoid these jabs at all costs that finally the media is catching up so that even people as dumbed down as you will get the message. Sadly some of you won't get it until about 30 years down the line which is about the length of time it takes for medial scandals to properly come to light.
This paper has been raised in the comments section of the latest Back to the Science video.
I will plug this video on that channel and also urge people to watch the latest BTTS video debunking some of the lies RFK Jn told on a recent Brian Tyler Cohen interview,
Finally thank you very much for this excellent video.
czcams.com/video/90da74nHeFg/video.html
"Debunking" is in the eye of the pharma cuck.
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@@neilthompson8668 CZcams doesn't allow links being posted. Or so they tell me.
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@@boomiron It usually allows links to CZcams videos but not always. The ways of the gods of youtube are unfathomable to mere mortals like us. I can see the link I posted can't you?
My man, love these videos, keep fighting that good fight
"The good fight" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@SaviorMoney-777 yup unlike you who posts lies and bs . When will you start caring about your integrity and also grow a few brain cells so don’t become a laughing stock here as you normally do with your ignorant posts .
@@SaviorMoney-777the classic lack of anything actually intelligent to contribute so let’s use emojis instead reply 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😉
@@markhammerschmidt5315 Would you prefer I wrote "lol?"
@@SaviorMoney-777 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Thanks for making this. I saw an article featuring the headlines you mentioned and knew immediately they had to be filled with B.S. and was hoping for an expert analysis of the primary source. You're fast! I'll make sure to refer my friends to your vid for the explanation.
Damage control. 😉
coping intensifies 😂
LOL 🤡
This vid is a flawed take.
I don't think it's an issue of not reading. I think it's a case of ot understanding the data.
I've yet to meet someone who regrets not taking the injections.
No need to. Just put "regrets not taking the injections" into the CZcams search bar and press enter.
@@Muritaipet it returned zero results
@@gungagalunga9040 LOL. Now that's an interesting attempt to deny reality. Did you really think anyone would believe that?
How many dead people have you spoken to?
@@MuritaipetOP is 🦇💩 crazy 🤪
But Joe Rogan said…..and his friends said…..
LOL
They said what the doctors and scientists told them, rocket surgeon.
@@SaviorMoney-777keep on telling yourself that eh. Joe Rogan 😂😂😂😂😂
@@SaviorMoney-777
"[Joe Rogan and friends] said what the doctors and scientists told them"
@@markhammerschmidt5315 I don't have to tell myself anything. I've seen hundreds of doctors and scientists speak on this topic for years now.
no cambell's soup nonsense.
Where is Dr. Griffins weekly discussion? You tube?
On 'This Week in Virology' on You tTube. I'll give the link to his latest below.
czcams.com/video/JZevshwnIkg/video.html
man when did you cut your hair? ;-;
And have a shower
@@kdr4716Is that stench emanating from your comment the smell of rotting 🧠 ?
Hey dear, don't shoot the messenger, because you don't like the message.
Are you going to attack John Campbell next, for going bald?
Or RFK for his tinny voice?
Didn't think so.
@@emmajones8590 I wasn't attacking him? Just pointing out that he had a hair cut? I liked his afro. Also I'm not your dear.
@@theevillemon I think emmajones was responding to kdr.
Thank you for this! Just discussing this study with my husband!
I am less concerned about excess deaths than I am about excess idiocy in the world.
Sometimes they are the same thing
@@spacetoast7783 True.
ah, the darwin principle. only if we could make it 100% 🙂
I'm 100% not concerned, zero covid-19 infection(s) and zero covid injections and Zero regret.
@@capesterr1 the real issue is not covid. it was just a small warning. if we do not learn from covid, we will not deal well with a real virulent pandemic.
Thank you!
Thanks 👍
3:47 I've tried to explain over and over that you cannot assess the Q of whether vax AEs are cbehind excess mort w/o comparing vaxxed and unvaxxed in some way
They just can't get it
excess (unexpected) deaths = total deaths - expected deaths
Expected deaths are the baseline, previously calculated as the average number of deaths in previous years (usually 5 years).
Rearranging,
total deaths = excess (unexpected) deaths + expected deaths
The problem is that when someone dies the cause of death can be determined, but not whether the death was expected or not.
We can estimate the expected number of deaths, cannot identify the individual who will die. The best that can be done is to look at total deaths and see if there is a change in the background incidence.
Technically, total deaths is an individual level metric, and the excess and expected deaths are population level metrics.
@@christopherrobinson7541 You don't say! We anti-vaxxers can't understand things like that. That's hard, you see.
@@fredneecher1746 That is why are an anti-vaxxer, do not understand and are wrong.
Darwin.
You may want to review the various Western health agencies' criteria for meeting the term and making the stat column, "unvaxxed". Here's a hint: Most of them labeled as such *weren't* at the time of becoming a stat.
I’ve yet to see an anti-vaxxer explain New Zealand.
How to lie with statistics. It's how pharma has always done it.
Thats why they use homeopathy, reiki and crystals in the intensive care units isn't it?? 🤣
Or Australia.
@@SaviorMoney-777 No, that's how anti-vaxxers do it.
Australia’s hospitals were on the brink of collapse after they forced vaccinated their entire population and opened after locking down for several years.
An interesting review of the BMJ's excess mortality article and the concerns raised by those who question the safety and effectiveness CV19 injectable drugs. Perhaps you could look into the most recent study by Denis Rancourt?
"Perhaps you could look into the most recent study by Denis Rancourt?"
That's a short look, then - it relies on the claim, already shown to be false numerous times, that COVID does not cause deaths in any significant number.
Thanks Dan - great stuff.
The Venn Diagram of “anti-vaxxers” and “reading” does not have much overlap.
Reading pharma funded "studies?" 😉
@@SaviorMoney-777 Go do a Pub-med search and see how many are pharma funded. It's a good idea to check to see if what you believe is actually true....
or thinking
@@SaviorMoney-777sitting on the toilet scrolling on your phone is not valid research I’m sad to say
@@SaviorMoney-777 Of course, because no big money is behind the other side. Is as if you think no one has an interest in Privatizing our entire healthcare system or stopping Single Payer or something.
Jasper are you talking about JC and the Falun Gong.
Dr Wilson are there other global databases on ACM that we can examine besides the 'Our World In Data' database?
Yes. You can go to the individual countries stats producers, and read the same thing there.
@@Muritaipet For the UK the ONS change their model to take into account population growth. They retrospectively re-ran the previous data to ensure a good fit for previous years. This was included in the report that announced the new methodology Feb 2024. Using this approach the anomaly of the excess deaths continuing to grow was not apparent.
Using the old ONS model it did show a continuing increase in excess deaths.
I think that the problem is that the OWID/HMD/WMD model does not fully reflect changes in population.
@@christopherrobinson7541 I'd suggest there is a major flaw, rather than just "a problem." None of the aggregates are based on an accurate age stratification of the populations in question. We have a serious statistical anomaly in many countries, the baby boom from 1945 - 1963. Who are now aged 60 - 80.
For the analysis to be highly accurate, it would need to include a year by year estimate for each age, and statistics on the medical condition of each age. Most countries don't accurately know these numbers.
@@Muritaipet The new methodology used by the UK ONS to estimate excess deaths uses a bottom-up approach, that uses trends for each age group and location. A good description is included in the ONS report (Feb 2024) which introduced the new method. This approach fully takes into account population change, such as an aging population, guest workers and immigration.
The old ONS method overestimated the excess deaths by 7 - 8% and the similar OECD model was worse because it used and earlier date range. These models also showed a steading increase in excess deaths with time. Which is why I think that the main problem with the article is that the model upon which it is based is does not fully take into account population change.
The OECD produced a Working Paper No 163, which explored ideas for an improved model to estimate excess deaths, which is very similar to that now used by the ONS. The old model has been discontinued and has not been updated since April 2024. It was expected that the new model would be approved by the OECD member countries by the end of May, but this had obviously been delayed; I suspect because some of the countries cannot provide the required data with sufficient granularity.
Hence I shall ignore the BMJ article, Campbell and Bridgen an continue to use the data provided by the ONS.
I got the same "lazy" impression from the paper. They just regurgitated easy-to-find data and tossed 100 references into the mix. Nothing original. John Campbell, of course, entitles his video "Proof."
Scambell - who knows that xs mortality was greatly reduced in 2023 - failed to mention this.
"and tossed 100 references into the mix."
Several of those being quite questionable and suggesting the authors got their information from a small fringe bubble, rather than from a comprehensive reading of the literature. Citing Schmeling et al and none of the THREE(!!!) comments that showed major flaws...that's just bad.
@@Marco-it2mr Many of the citations are not correctly linked, some go to the wrong source and others are broken, which suggests that it has been poorly edited.
@@christopherrobinson7541 Gee, what a surprise...
@@Marco-it2mr For this paper perhaps Fahrenheit 451 would be the prefered option.
Right on target Doc! Thank you for doing this.
3:48 - Dude the research paper you listed in 3:48 only looked at 1-42 days after vaccination.....do you believe this is sufficient 😅
So how long do you think is sufficient? Just interested.
well $cience sez that nothing bad can ever happen ‘down the line’, & all the party faithful seem quite content with that, sooooo ..... 😂
@samsmith962 I dnt have all the answers mate I just hope you're right and I'm wrong. I do however think it'll be in all our interests if longer term studies are also provided
@@Blufella222 "I do however think it'll be in all our interests if longer term studies are also provided"
So you aren't a scientist, you have no expertise, you're just blathering an opinion without anything useful to back you up?
@@Blufella222 so how long is long term. It’s been 3 years now sense the vaccine roll out, and so far has been positive . If you wish to wait another 10 years
That’s up to you, your decision so let others make their own decision with out recriminations.
I saw the headline in the Telegraph and saw that the study was published in the BMJ. I also saw that our favourite anti vaxxer Campbell has gleefully released a video about it. I am glad that Dr Wilson has throughly debunked it.
Funny how all them antivaxers are still here though..
Alot of vaxx zealots are not..
It's not debunked though.. lol
It's literally making rounds around the world.. tell yourself whatever to feel better about your decision.. but reality doesn't care
Kazuhiro Haraguchi - Japanese Minister Apologizes During Massive Protest In Japan
‘tHoRoUgHLy dEBuNkEd iT’
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@@lw1zfog I feel bad that your two brain cells are fighting for 3rd place.
RIP STEVE ALBINI
another hate fuelled waXxEr bites the dust, ho hum.
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Hank Aaron one of the first.
@@thedevilsadvocate5210I knew my comment would flush out some morons
@@thedevilsadvocate5210gee i sure wonder why he died, couldnt have been that he was an old fart huh?
@@nickg1134
Sure not the fact he took the experimental jab that had nothing to do with it.
I actually read this article today and my immediate reaction was "this sounds like bullshit, and i don't have time to dig into it but i hope Dr Wilson debunks that funk!"
your cope is smelling funny
Same, I was wondering when we would get a video addressing this, and here it is.
I read the article as best I could, Susan Oliver also read it, coming to the same conclusion as Dr Wilson. The authors are three paediatric oncologists plus an independent researcher from the Netherlands, the paper was funded by a Dutch children’s cancer charity and was initially submitted in June 2023, finally being accepted in March this year leading to its publication this month. Thus it took 9 months from submission to acceptance which seems inordinately long.
@@MRCAGR1 I have been working my way through the citations. There are lots of issues, many of the markers in the text are not correctly linked to the details of the citation. Some links are orphaned. In several cases the citation does not support the point being made in the text. This suggested that the article has been poorly edited.
The main source is stated as follows:
"The ‘Our World in Data’ database retrieves their reported number of deaths from both the Human Mortality Database (HMD) and the World Mortality Dataset (WMD)".
These data are supplied by the individual countries and may not be of the same standard.
There appears to be low residual residual excess deaths across all countries, which suggest that the model employed has underestimated the expected deaths. The model recently adopted by the ONS does not show this effect, nor does the Euro MoMo model.
The old ONS model did overestimate excess deaths, as did the OECD model, during the period of the study.
IMHO: The model employed most likely does not fully take into account population change.
And the deaths only spike upwards after the introduction of the so-called vaccines. Plus, they counted deaths of people who had COVID but died of other things as covid.
Thanks for this video, very informative
Hey Dude! Love your content and I got a question concerning not COVID in specific, but pandemic related. And have thus far been able to find good information on the topic.
Friends that were totally with the pandemic, masking, vacc everything have recently back tracked a lot and are pitching two main critiques of social distancing and masking.
The issue they cite are both human immune response related and are stating that 1) If you aren't getting sick your immune system atrophies like a muscle and 2) that if your immune system isn't fighting off diseases that inflammatory issues will increase.
I know the two issues kind of contradict each other, which yeah... Sorry if you have gone over this before, but can you point be to research on immune system performance over the pandemic and rate of inflammatory diseases?
Does any of that concern hold water at all?
keep up the good work sir!
This is referred to as "folk medicine"
@@kcolonelx6181 Sure. But at the same time I want to reply in a material and well sourced manner.
@@atorng2172 Good for you. Clearly, I'm not able to help. 😀
But consider that when talking about the "muscle" theory, you can tell them than muscles can also be overworked and injured permanently. Also, your immune system is worked out every day in thousands of ways. No need to apply unnecessary stress to it for no defined benefit.
@@kcolonelx6181 yes better to constsntly inundate it with synthetic pharmaceuticals. That's such a great idea. 😉👍
@@SaviorMoney-777 So when you are cold, do you stand next to the fire or just jump into the middle of it?
"Scientists don't understand what they are doing" - Bret Weinstein
"No Bret, YOU don't understand what we are doing." - Scientists
Not the good scientists. 😉
@@SaviorMoney-777 And you you think you could tell the difference. 😆
@@martinsutton8590 Yeah if you hear them out you can. Also the good ones will debate anyone, while the keepers of the vax will not. There are many tells if you look close enough, which almost everyone doesn't. If our guys are wrong, why not debate them and explain how they're wrong, so we can all "learn" from them? Wouldn't that be a priority - you know, straightening out all of us "anti vaxxers?" Let's hash it out. 😉
@@SaviorMoney-777 It is funny that you think that you can evaluate science that way. It is almost like you have no idea how science works.
@@martinsutton8590 By believing the "authorities?" 😂 "Trust the science" 😉👍
Surprised that the BMJ published a non-story really.
Disappointed, but not at all surprised that the Daily Fail and Telegraph picked up the story and put their own spin on it. They are biased and unreliable at the best of times, but still have quite an audience in the UK.
Have you ever noticed that when an anti-vaxxer is getting their are handed to them in an argument, they just resort to asking how many boosters you’ve had? 😂
Yes 🙄 🥱
Thanks a milli …. a prizillion for this video, cause I know someone who will plague our forum with new “facts” ….
😂😂😂 be sure to get your booster
@@Toecutter875 Hey, antivaxxer hypocrites! Since YOU say that NOBODY is an expert in anything, that NOBODY is better at a thing than anyone else, then WHY don't you support everyone being paid equally, nobody (e.g. CEOs, Elon Musk, Trump) being paid more than anyone else? And if you call that Communism, then Communism is great, and is the American way.
Why? It is already 'debunked'.
For my beloved mRNA dice-rolling nutjobs.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36055877/
Combined, there was a 16 % higher risk of serious adverse events in mRNA vaccine recipients: risk difference 13.2 (95 % CI -3.2 to 29.6); risk ratio 1.16 (95 % CI 0.97 to 1.39).
This comes down to 1 out of 800 people suffering serious adverse effects after the mRNA shots... and the study took only short term effects into account.
More detail and arguments:
czcams.com/video/GoP33N4Qw8Q/video.html
Follow the science... 🙈🙊🙉
It always makes me laugh when conspiracy theorists say "See! I was right ALL along... Now there's proof!" - As if they take pride in the fact that they believed something to be true BEFORE any actual evidence came out in support of the claim.. That's not something to be proud of, lol...
It's even more embarrassing when they say this in light of a new piece of 'evidence' that doesn't even support their position!
"They believed something to be true BEFORE any actual evidence came out in support" Lol...as in all the folks who jumped at the jabs thinking they were actually totally safe and totally effective despite there being no possible way to know the full efficacy and long term side effects without at time machine...lol...and here we are now: Doesn't stop spread or illness, Two of the four safe and effective jabs pulled from the market....and you guys laugh at people who chose caution and natural immunity..who are still here, with that natural immunity fully intact and long term....what one are you, believers in science on now? Shot number six? Lol..but hey, to each his own...that's the whole point...and guess what? you'll get to renew your faith in "science" and bow at the alter of Fauci very soon for the next, "pandemic" I've been alive for 54 years and suddenly in the last 5 there's been one "pandemic" and another right on it's heels. Yeah...sure seems likely....Keep trusting the machine, dude.
Very well put.
You mean evidence like excess deaths? What happened in EU 2023? What do you think they did in 2023? More or less? Look at Euromomo and see for yourself what happened. Here he claims New Zealand had low excess deaths but thats not that our world in data shows for the years 2021-2024. Our world in data show something completely different.
@its.Jordaninnit. BS, just look at event 201. I'd been expecting this for over 20 years. Our elites have long desired the new platform experiment. I know people damaged by your glorious shots.😮
I'm so sick of living in the era of dumb
Tell me about it. I work in an office of roughly 50 Democrats. My immediate supervisor is one of those DEI-hires. All of them got at least 3 jabs. They are getting dumber and dumber.
@@Lp78Ch I don't think this channel is for you. Maybe Infowars or Breitbart.
@@philo3479 You still haven't figured out what vaccines do and you're the superior one. Got it.
”The vaccine saved tens of millions of lives” - Donald J Trump
@@philo3479”I AM A SURGEON!!!” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nice video.
If we go on ourworldindata and plot cumulative excess mortality(%) (CEM) for various countries (low and high v), then it looks to me like Dr Wilsons chart, CEM vs v’s is based on a period in time where the low v countries were already high from pre v availability. Does the evolution of each CEM curve with time support Dr Wilsons graph?
How did your analysis deal with confounding factors?
What are some examples of countries where the current CEM contradicts the graph used by Dr Wilson?
These are the current CEM rates (per 1m pop) from OWID, for 5 each of the low and high vax countries on the graph:
Low-vax
- Bulgaria 9,417 (average age 44y)
- Romania 4,646 (average age 43y)
- Lithuania 9,581 (average age 45y)
- Croatia 5,972 (average age 44y)
- Slovakia 5,263 (average age 42y)
High-vax
- Italy 4,442 (average age 47y)
- Portugal 3,242 (average age 45y)
- France 1,918 (average age 42y)
- Sweden 1,910 (average age 41y)
- Denmark 955 (average age 42y)
As a New Zealander who just today received my 6th anti Covid injection I have to say NZ did pretty well, my wife and I are both 66 and neither of us have had Covid yet, and we have not hidden from it, I was a Corrections Officer during the Covid outbreak and my wife ran a Service Station, we both dealt with customers who had a high rate of Covid and were happy to spread it around disputing mask wearing and the jab. Yes someone please explain NZ stats!
6th? 😂 Slaves are so smart.
@@paolorossi8470 Do you have a prediction for which one will finally do the 66 year-old in? Maybe it'll be the 11th one? Or, whichever one he most-recently had when he finally passes, that'll be the one you'll blame, for sure.
‘aNti cOviD iNjEcTioN’
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What stats are you talking about? Those that say that you are not all dead? Where I live it's probably a 20-30 percent of the population vaccinated once and probably 15-20 percent vaccinated twice. We're still here. You think it's the vaccination? My family got it at least 3 times. They didn't show any sign while I struggled to breathe a little first time I got it but I worked in constructions and my lungs are affected by dust. I slept well, ate well and drank a lot of beer. I'm still here.
Kia Kaha bro. I see you've attracted some Klingons to your post. Just for fun, I'll put up the stats for them.
United States, sick 103,436,829 / 1,187,125 passed away = 1 in 87.
New Zealand, sick 2,589,531 / 3,995 passed away *= 1 in 648.*
thanks Dan
4 year later and still on the payroll of Feds? Or is private funding by pharma?
Thank you once again
Dr. Wilson: The media's all abuzz with Alina Chan's Un- peer reviewed work being published in the NYT. AS I'm sure you're aware. Do you have any plans to respond? Thanks again for all you do ✌
Dr. Dan Wilson generally does not have time to read the comments.
But you might be interested in the following interview from about a year ago. Two interviewers from the science-based podcast called "Decoding the Gurus" interview the three most prominent and qualified experts on the question of the "Origin of SARS-CoV-2":
Decoding the Gurus: "Interview with Kristian Andersen, Eddie Holmes & Michael Worobey: The Lab Leak & Covid Origins".
It is 2:15:00 long but it is packed with all the relevant details on this topic, and you will not be disappointed.
There was actually another 45 minutes at the start where the interviewers put the interview in perspective, but I cannot find that version now.
The interview was in response to Sam Harris' rather inadequate interview of molecular biologist, Alina Chan, and science writer, Matt Ridley, who seem to have convinced Sam Harris that the virus leaked from the lab at Wuhan.
@@williamverhoef4349 I love that video , have watched it x 2 . Will likely watch it again .
@@Sceince01
It is an excellent interview.
(I haven't watched the Sam Harris interview. He has simply become a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian. If the majority of the recognised experts comes to a certain conclusion, you can be sure he will be against it. There is little value in listening to someone like that in my opinion. Time is too short.
If you want even more, there is a book by David Quammen who interviewed the top hundred scientists - including scientists in China - who were intimately involved in elucidating the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 and who were involved in developing a vaccine against the virus. After summarising their contributions, he then interviewed them a second time to clarify and correct any errors in the text:
David Quammen: "Breathless: The Scientific Race to Defeat a Deadly Virus"
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I took the vaccine four times and I'm still alive
How many more can you get?
@@kdr4716 it was either pordan jeterson or rfk jr (friend of Jeffrey Epstein) who said i already had like 180 vaccines before grade school so I figured the more the better. Ive already lived longer than my ancestors did
@@paulthepainter2366 is that true? 180?
@@kdr4716 no. If it came from jp or rfk jr, irs not true. As a general rule
I took it 0 and I'm the same as you.
Superb explanation from an expert.
One thing I do know is that the 2 UK papers mentioned have always been trash.
Keep it up!
Yeah we need to reach 500 million by 2050.
@@SaviorMoney-777 500 million what?
@@williamverhoef4349 people
@@SaviorMoney-777 this sort never ‘Deagle’d’ dude
@@SaviorMoney-777
Reach them with what by 2050?
Thanks.
Thanks for covering this wearying subject! Its longevity amazes me. Still, I need to be kept up to date because of discord in the family. You really help arm me!
I live on a tiny island with only one hospital. This made the counting of Covid cases, vaccinations, hospitalizations and deaths easy.
Between Jan 11 and August 31st, 2021, hospitalizations numbered:
116 amongst the unvaccinated
12, partially vaccinated
4, fully vaccinated.
Deaths were:
19 unvaccinated;
3 partially vaccinated;
0 (ZERO) fully vaccinated.
All told, there have now (2020-2024) been 165 Covid deaths; proportionately, the vaccinated, partially- and un-vaccinated the same as above.
My daughter is an extreme antivaxxer. She couldn’t believe I was trotting off to get my series of jabs.
I said to her that if statistically there were an airline that didn’t use a certain fuel, and 4 of its planes crashed in 8 months; while its competitor with exactly the same planes did use it, and had no crashes in the same period, I would definitely fly with the latter. Not only that, the first airline had suffered FIFTY TIMES the injuries (nonfatal) of the second one. (Just bad landings? Maybe I can work Gimli in here somewhere.) And it just seemed downright stupid to choose the first one. No?
BTW, I heard of only one person having an adverse reaction (bleeding) to the vaccine (Pfizer) that was severe enough his doctor recommend he not get another. But he was over 80 and on blood thinners. And the doctor did mention it could be a coincidence. 🇧🇲
Can you break down the demographics, and define "vaccinated" and "unvaccinated" precisely? The vaccine helps hardly anyone, other than the elderly and co morbid, and nobody if you consider the far safer treatment alternatives.
@@SaviorMoney-777Care to cite some evidence to support your assertions?
Is that a Bermuda flag?
@@lindaward You could open your eyes. 😂
Yes
great stuff. 👏🏻 thanks Dr. Wilson.
If I am reading the excess deaths chart correctly then in Nov - December 2022 there were 110k of excess deaths of which approximately 30k are attributed to covid. What then are the remaining 80k excess deaths attributable to? Would be helpful to see a chart of a longer timeframe because in Jan 2020 you can see that the excess deaths where approximately -40k. That makes the swing from prior to the pandemic to Nov - Dec 2022 roughly 120k excess (Non covid) deaths but the -40k could be a reporting error or an anomaly. The excess deaths chart should still be mirroring the covid deaths chart and it isn't. Am I missing something here?
How do you know they aren't related to COVID?
"The excess deaths chart should still be mirroring the covid deaths chart and it isn't. "
Well, for the most part it is - and then you get two other things on top: excess mortality from other infectious diseases (there was e.g. a nasty double whammy of influenza and RSV many places (see e.g. "Severity of Respiratory Syncytial Virus vs COVID-19 and Influenza Among Hospitalized US Adults") and excess mortality from heatwaves.
@@paolorossi8470 I know right! If they were connected to Covid... they WOULDN'T be ignoring them... pretending they are not happening.... and blanking anyone who raises the topic.
Jay hasn't worked that out yet!
thanks, knew this was BS
For my beloved mRNA dice-rolling nutjobs.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36055877/
Combined, there was a 16 % higher risk of serious adverse events in mRNA vaccine recipients: risk difference 13.2 (95 % CI -3.2 to 29.6); risk ratio 1.16 (95 % CI 0.97 to 1.39).
This comes down to 1 out of 800 people suffering serious adverse effects after the mRNA shots... and the study took only short term effects into account.
More detail and arguments:
czcams.com/video/GoP33N4Qw8Q/video.html
Follow the science... 🙈🙊🙉
4:19 I agree with everything said, however, I'm not in favor of comparing countries with low jab rates to countries with high jab rates. That approach can bring in populations that have low jab rates but are more isolated and therefore have a lower number of covid/jab problems. The lower number is due solely to the isolation. The best tact is to compare the jabbed to the unjabbed within a specific population. Even that it not perfect, of course. The jabbed would generally be more trusting of medical science and therefore be more inclined to seek medical care for illnesses.
stop using the word jab weirdo
translation: "I haven't done any research and I have no numbers or actual data but I'll 'm going to go ahead and erroneously speculate. I hate being duped so I'll stay in denial"
@@nunyabizzness8 I don't know what that means, if it means anything.
@@nunyabizzness8 Exactly.
@@mikewalters3048 It means you never did REAL research, NEVER READ the PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC PAPERS on the subject of vaccines, and therefore have ZERO objective data or logical reason to fear vaccines.
good stuff
Debunk the funk can you pleade debunk Norman Fetton on his anti vax views?
Norman Fenton?
Dr. Dan Wilson does not have time to read the comments but another scientist has him well and truly covered.
Here are Dr Susan Oliver's three videos eviscerating this goon at "Back to the Science":
1) Dr John Campbell and Prof Norman Fenton CONFUSED by ONS/NHS statistics. (9 minutes)
2) Prof Norman Fenton decides to target me. Does he have a problem with women? (17 minutes)
3) Lies, damn lies, and Fenton/Campbell misrepresentation of ONS statistics (32 minutes)
I don't think he can.
ONS has just admitted they counted 'juiced' deaths, as 'unjuiced'...
@@G.Man-
Of course he can. But Dr. Susan Oliver already has in three videos about a year ago:
1) Dr John Campbell and Prof Norman Fenton CONFUSED by ONS/NHS statistics
2) Lies, damn lies, and Fenton/Campbell misrepresentation of ONS statistics.
3) Prof Norman Fenton decides to target me. Does he have a problem with women?
He is past history and irrelevant at this stage. That's why Johnny has him on.
@@G.Man-
That is a blatant lie. They "admitted" nothing. The use of the word "admitted" is a well-known antivax tactic that goes back two decades. You seem confused by the fact that science and scientists are continually looking for ways to better and more accurately present statistics to the lay person. They now find that they have to take into account the dishonest tactics of bad actors like antivaxxers and conspiracy theorists.
Thanks!!
This is absolutely brilliant. Instead of exhausting myself debunking this study with my vaccine-sceptic family, I can just send them this video.
Thanks, Dr Wilson - great job.
I hate to break it to you but there isn't much difference between this video and a Dr. Peter McCollough video. Both are misleading and completely biased. What you are perceiving as trusted science is really just picking out studies to support a biased narrative.
Western Australia had no covid for most of 2021. Vaccines started March 2021.Deaths stated to increase from May 2021 onwads
The increase in deaths was greater than for all other parts of Australia which also had an increase in deaths from May 2021 onwards
When asked to explain this the Government official said they were investigating it
💯 agree! There’s been no reasonable explanation for the excess deaths in WA.
In 2021 in Western Australia, in *every age group from 15 - 50, the numbers who passed away decreased.*
Age 50 - 54 increased from 397 (2020) to 426 (2021)
Age 55 - 59 increased from 575 (2020) to 589 (2021)
Age 60 - 64 decreased from 819 (2020) to 816 (2021)
Age 65 - 69 increased from 1069 (2020) to 1115 (2021)
Age 70 - 74 decreased from 1452 (2020) to 1428 (2021)
Age 75 - 79 increased from 1657 (2020) to 1781 (2021)
Age 80 - 84 increased from 2041 (2020) to 2303 (2021)
Age 85 - 89 increased from 2368 (2020) to 2577 (2021)
Age 90 - 94 increased from 2167 (2020) to 2341 (2021)
Age 95 - 99 increased from 988 (2020) to 1125 (2021)
Age 100 + increased from 173 (2020) to 220 (2021)
The increase was from total 14,993 (2020) to 15,891 (2021), an increase of 898.
There were 953 extra, aged 75 or over.
Do you think the aging population might have something to do with the increase?
You can check my numbers on ABS
@@Muritaipet ‘on ABS’ 😂🤦🏽♂️🥴
@@lw1zfogDo you have a question?
Dude, so deaths increased during winter of 2021 in Australia, shortly after vaccination rollout with only about 2 million people vaccinated, and you think this is worth worrying about?
Increased in the same way that it did in every single other country during winter 2021 (and still does to this day), and you think this is of any concern?
I can't find a single instance of the Australian government saying they were investigating this entirely normal phenomenon. Can you provide a reference?
They are also grilling Fauci.
Did you see MTG? I was surprised she didn’t bring hunters photo with her. She does like dangling bits.
I saw Fauci grill them.
@@RichardZEROfauci said there was no science behind covid measures and he made them up. Lol
Fauci is going down. Finally. Evil man.
For no reason. They are politically persecuting Dr Fauci for absolutely NO reason.
Mr. Scientist, i hope your boosters are up to date. Is it no. 8 now?
Boosters got electrolytes. It's what plants crave.
There it is, the chorus of the anti-vaxxer who can’t actually point to anything the Dr said that was incorrect 😂
@@steveoxocube you too get your booster!
@@steveoxocube Pfizer has entered the chat.
Y'know gungalunga, you could at least *pretend* to be anchored in reality.
Thanks Dr. Wilson for debunking all these Liars over and over again!!! 💙 💙 💙
He ain't a Medical Doctor. Do you call an IT guy with a PHD in Computer Science a Doctor. Really tells you all you need to know.
@@elliskaranikolaou2550 He's a Biochemist, you obviously don't watch the videos here, these Scientists know more than Doctors, they make the Medicines that Doctors use!!!
@@elliskaranikolaou2550 He's communicating science, not "medicine". You seem quite ignorant about this.
@@Ockv74 Know more than Medical Doctors about treating Covid ? Really ? Then why do they state "I'm not a Medical Doctor". It's because they know very little about treating sick people medically. Frankly, anyone that has a craven need to be called a Doctor just because they have a PHD comes across as immature. I have an Associate Diploma and a Bachelors Degree and I don't go putting Award abbreviations (post-nominal letters) after everything I write, which I'm eligible to do.
@@jaykanta4326 Oh, so you think a Non-Medical Professional commenting on the adverse Medical effects the vaccines have had on many people isn't ignorant ? I would disagree.
1. The excess deaths since the pandemic in most western countries is irrefutable, the same countries that were more likely to lockdown (and vaccinate).
2. These excess deaths cannot be explained by covid.
3. Can you at least admit there is a cost of life and excess deaths associated with lockdowns?
The excess deaths are a result of healthcare systems that were stretched to breaking point by the pandemic.
It’s absolutely insane that none of you can see that. Healthcare systems were already under pressure because of aging population, obesity epidemic and lack of investment. The pandemic has just turned all those issues up to 11 and the excess deaths are the consequence.
Similar issues have been seen before after previous pandemics.
@@steveoxocube ‘You people’ lol.
Obviously I can see that lockdowns had disastrous effects on healthcare systems resulting in excess deaths, that’s exactly what it says in my question…
In my experience it’s the lockdown zealots that struggle to admit this.
Here in the uk, our healthcare system was never in danger of being overwhelmed. We were nearer max capacity in 2019 than we were in 2020 or 2021. We built emergency wards, we didn’t need them, we bought 20,000 ventilators, we only used 2,000.
With that in mind, can we at least ask if the cost of life associated with lockdowns outweighs the hypothetical amount of lives saved? This is a conversation that is tellingly absent in public discourse.
Because unfortunately there is no good evidence that lockdowns saved lives.
Look at all places that didn’t lockdown, there is no discernible difference in mortality between those that did lockdown and those that didn’t. If anything, western countries, the ones most likely to lockdown (and vaccinate), have seen the highest excess death rates. Sweden however ended up with one of the lowest mortality rates for the pandemic in all Europe…
What certainly didn’t happen is that those places that didn’t lockdown didnt see any sort of disastrously high death count, it didn’t happen, at all, anywhere.
But really you should need extremely good evidence to justify lockdowns especially considering the huge known harms:
Lowered life expectancy and excess deaths from causes other than Covid.
NHS waiting time crisis.
Inflation crisis, cost of living crisis.
Increased inequality.
Serious harms to childhood development and education for an entire generation.
Decimation of small businesses.
Decimation of trust in public institutions and media.
Etc etc etc etc etc
@@DO-NOT-COMPLYYou’ve answered your own question. The hospitals in the U.K weren’t overwhelmed, because of the lockdowns. You really don’t get that?
I love when you lot compare the U.K. to Sweden. Have you ever been to Sweden? It can get to -20°c in the winter. No one has to lock them down, that’s how they live all the time 😂
@@steveoxocube but I suppose my question is really, how can Dan Wilson not mention lockdowns and disruptions to healthcare when talking about excess deaths???
He seems to think the current excess deaths are due to people still dying of Covid???!!!???
@@DO-NOT-COMPLYWhether you like it or not, when you compare to 2015-2019 (as is the baseline for excess deaths) every covid death is an excess death.
But that’s not what you mean is it. No. You’re into the semantics game. The place every anti-vaxxer has to go when their lies fall apart. When he says the cause is covid he means covid deaths and all the pressure covid has put on healthcare systems for the last 4 years. He also means the complications people have suffered from covid which go on to cause death after the infection has passed. None of which you can deny.
Well not without claiming there is a huge conspiracy involving every healthcare worker in the world
Again I have to applaud your work. I first found you pretty early in the pandemic, while some shifted to Campbell, I preferred your data. The quality of the presentation has become pretty good. More fluid, the added humour will help to. As the page grows and your continued evolution grows with it, I hope more find your stuff and listen as opposed to the dingdongs selling BS. Good work Dr Wilson, excellent damn work sir
F*ck the telegraph for releasing this headline. They know exactly what they are doing.
Truth is coming out whether brainwashed idealogues like it or not.
Factcheck - the Covid pandemic did NOT see a huge rise in excess deaths in MOST countries across the world. Just developed ones that locked down. Some of the poorest countries in Africa saw no excess, and Sweden (remember Sweden) did far better than its Nordic neighbours when looking at 2020-2023.
Well except that the excess in Africa was horrendous in 2020 - 2021. It's been estimated that 1.5% were counted. Also the countries with the hardest lockdowns e.g. New Zealand & Australia, did better than those who didn't.
See
"Conflicting COVID-19 excess mortality estimates" Matshidiso Moeti et al
"Estimating excess mortality due to the COVID-19 pandemic: a systematic analysis of COVID-19-related mortality, 2020-21" Wang et al
"COVID-19's death transfer to Sub-Saharan Africa" Sosso Feindouno et al
Where can I find the data for some of the poorest countries in Africa that saw no excess deaths?
@@Muritaipet Oh what a load of utter fabrication. I still don't know anyone who died of Covid alone - and nobody does, its the common cold.
@@Kiltoonie So are you saying it's all fabricated. Despite the experience of hundreds of millions of people?
Interesting to observe the behaviour of people desperately trying to justify making a decision that may well prove to be catastrophic to their well being.
Yeah, anti-vaxxers are pretty dumb.
@@joeylafrond2472 no this doctor not at work and sitting behind a microphone is dumb.
His attempts to make you feel better regarding your bad decisions are working. If you’re content with your decision, stfu
Yeah, Steven. That's exactly what you did. Made a decision not to get vaccinated against a virus for which we have no long term data.
You're the one who made the catastrophic decision. Shingles takes decades to erupt after herpes zoster virus. We have no idea what sequelae await people who decided to "trust" multiple infections of SARS-COV-2.
@@HamTeddy26 From the bottom of my heart, thank you for proving me correct.
Because we anti-vaxxers only look at newspaper headlines. Right.
LOL. Like we've seen any evidence they can read.
Don't forget the Facebook Minions memes!
How many did you get? All 10 in the series now recommended by the CDC?
There was a guy in Germany who had over 200 and is still alive. How is that possible? 😂
How many properly functioning 🧠 cells do you have, seems like much less than 10?
i know youve probably covered it, but can you go over the statements kansas attorney general just made. Its all over my timeline and its frustrating
Yes. The truth can be frustrating to those that mindlessly accept the provided narrative.
@@jimkofron8638 So you just believe everything the BIG GOVERNMENT -- i.e. Kansas Attorney General -- pulled out of their ass, even though they have NEVER STUDIED biology and vaccines?
I remember anti-vaxxers telling me that Pfizer had “total legal immunity” and the vaccine manufacturers can’t be sued.
Just yet another anti-vaxx lie
@@philo3479Oh look a Philly shitting his pants in public as he can’t keep the story straight. Cope harder 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The Australian Government have launched an inquiry into Australia’s excess deaths problem. Australia is almost unique as a case study for excess deaths; as it had the vaccine before it had covid, its excess deaths are not so easily blamed on the long-term side effects of a virus. It saw a rise in deaths, which began in May 2021 and has not let up since. The impact was evident on the ambulance service first. South Australia saw a 67% increase in cardiac presentations of 15 to 44-year-olds. That increase peaked in November 2021, before covid hit.
By October 2021, despite it being springtime in Australia, headlines reported that ambulances were unable to drop off patients in hospitals, which were already at full capacity. Mark McGowan, Premier of Western Australia, said that he could not explain the overwhelmed hospitals.
LOL. The Australian Government has done no such thing. The Australia Senate is holding an inquiry.
And when the Australian Senate looks at the numbers, they will see that *in every age group between 10 - 50, the numbers lost fell in 2021.* And the 2022 excess is almost entirely C19, and in the 60+ age group.
And they will conclude it wasn't the substance, and they are mainly looking at the effects of an aging population.
"a rise in deaths, which began in May 2021"
According to the data provided for Senator Antic's SA FOI request, each month during May-Oct had ~400 fewer cardiac hospital admissions in 2021 than the corresponding month in 2020.
The total number of cardiac hospital admissions were
- 15,225 during May-Oct 2020
- 12,980 during May-Oct 2021
"The impact was evident on the ambulance service first. South Australia saw a 67% increase in cardiac presentations of 15 to 44-year-olds
. . .
By October 2021, despite it being springtime in Australia, headlines reported that ambulances were unable to drop off patients in hospitals, which were already at full capacity."
In SA the 16-39y age group vax rollout started on 16 Aug 2021.
According to the data provided for Senator Antic's SA FOI request, in the 15-44y age group, the number hospital cardiac presentations not requiring an admission sky-rocketed during Sep-Dec 2021:
- in Sep 2021, there were 480 more presentations that did not require an admission than there had been in Sep 2020
- in Oct 2021, there were 532 more presentations that did not require an admission than there had been in Oct 2020
- in Nov 2021, there were 875 more presentations that did not require an admission than there had been in Nov 2020
- in Dec 2021, there were 601 more presentations that did not require an admission than there had been in Dec 2020
I wonder how many people who actually needed hospital/ambulance care had serious adverse outcomes because the hospital and ambulance resources were being consumed by so many people who had nothing physically wrong with them, but were experiencing anxiety because of the untruths spread re the vax?
"The impact was evident on the ambulance service first. South Australia saw a 67% increase in cardiac presentations of 15 to 44-year-olds."
This is a pretty old story, long shown to be a nothingburger: because the risk of myocarditis upon vaccination was so openly presented, young people who felt "something" went to the emergency services because they were afraid. In the end, the actual hospital admissions was the same as always, as all that "something" was nothing.
Oh, and regarding McGowan, one of his spokesmen attributed it to "increased demand in attendances to hospital for other ailments, backlog of elective surgery, more babies being born during the pandemic” and other issues not related to coronavirus vaccines.
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What is it with you lot and not keeping up with the facts, and thus years after the debunking you still repeat this misinformation?
czcams.com/video/0MGIUONgCJA/video.htmlsi=PBTGMrcPR4FPDSIR
This kind of misinformation is still very dangerous.
The numbers of antivaxx parents is now increasing as well, with regards to the childhood vaccinations.
Diseases like measles and whooping cough are now making a big comeback.
don’t be leaving out the ‘vaccine induced polio’, not very inclusive of you was it !
@@lw1zfog The Sabin oral polio vaccine, can very, very occasionally mutate into paralytic polio, in individuals with a compromised immune system.
In countries where polio is still endemic, it is still a lot safer to get it than not.
This type of vaccine is still given in some third world countries, because of the convenience and easy administration of it.
Western countries don't use it any more. At all.
They use the injectable Salk vaccine.
That protects against all forms of polio, both the 'wild' type and the vaccine induced type.
So if you are worried about the extremely rare cases coming from the Sabin vaccine, get your darned kids the regular, injectable form, which is offered free of charge, along with the other childhood vaccins in USA, Canada, all of Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Japan.
With globalization and frequent international travel, there is always a chance that someone will bring a disease back into the country, that had previously been eliminated there. This has happened several times with measles. One person brings it into the country and then it starts to spread like wildfire among the antivaxx communities, who are still vulnerable to the disease.
Just get your darned kids vaccinated.
@@emmajones8590 you lot & your essays in cope are utterly tragic 😂
Anti vaxxers hate children. They want the infant mortality rate to increase.
@@lw1zfog People are only vulnerable to ‘vaccine induced polio’ if they are not vaccinated.
So, excess deaths are not happening. At all. I am pleased to hear this.
None of the excess death figures are in question. It’s you lot who told everyone the figure were being manipulated by the globalists throughout the pandemic. That was until you started relying on those figures for your anti-vaxx fan fiction 😂
@BobCat0 The excess deaths tracked the COVID-19 deaths, which have fallen.
@@steveoxocube The excess death figures from Our World in Data (OWID) use data from the WMD, but their model does not fully take into account population change. As a result the excess deaths are overestimated in countries with a nett increase in population and underestimated in countries with a fall in population. This results in a distorted picture where there are large numbers of guest workers and immigrants moving between countries. The old ONS and OECD models using simple averages to estimate expected deaths resulted in huge errors and have been discontinued.
Models taking into account population change, by tracking tends in different age groups, such as the new ONS model, are much more accurate and the confidence interval can be determined.
For weekending 7th June 2024 the ONS estimated the excess deaths to be 9.4% below baseline.
Who said excess deaths are not happening?
Yep there been debunked on here.
28% in 2020, 46% in 2021, 26% in 2022. Those are the percentages they found in increase in projected over actual number of deaths in those countries looked at. That alone should get you questioning why we still had such huge excess deaths in the the year that the vaccines were rolled out and are still continuing to this day in the uk. To such an extent that we have had questions in parliament and the way the numbers are calculated has changed so as to hide them.
If the excess deaths were just throughout 2021 but then stopped midway you could then say that's great, the vaccine worked and the excess deaths seen in the first half of 2021 could maybe be attributed to lags in timing for registration and accounting for said death but come on now.
If you can not see what's going on by now and can not admit it so badly that you have to deny the obvious what more can i say.
Also note as i personally have shouted from the start that all of the data show negative excess deaths before the fear campaign and lockdown measures. Yet the famously dodgy pcr tests picked sarscov2 up in sewage in march 2020 so why was it completely undeadly until we locked down a year later or even for the first few months of 2020 if you want to go on the official narrative.
As to alt media jumping on these articles, its stupid to think that means we suddenly trust the media, but we do understand they have to cover their backs and pretend to report on a story.
We have been shouting about the excess deaths since the implementation of lockdown so excuse us if we have a moment of i told you so even if you still negate the facts in front of your eyes.
_"28% in 2020, 46% in 2021, 26% in 2022. Those are the percentages they found in increase in projected over actual number of deaths in those countries looked at."_
Where did you get this figures, I could not find them in the report?
_"Those are the percentages they found in increase in projected over actual number of deaths in those countries looked at. That alone should get you questioning why we still had such huge excess deaths in the the year that the vaccines were rolled out and are still continuing to this day in the uk."_
The excess deaths track the incidence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and hence the COVID-19 deaths.
The vaccines were deployed at the end of 2020, in the middle of a large wave of infection. The mitigation measures in force had slowed the rate of increase in cases before the vaccines were deployed, and were largely responsible suppressing this wave. As the number of vaccinated increased Spring 2021 the vaccines increased the rate of the fall in infections. Later wave were largely cause by people behaving in a less risk averse manner.
_"To such an extent that we have had questions in parliament and the way the numbers are calculated has changed so as to hide them."_
The model used by the BMJ paper presented in this video, that is provided by Our World in Data (OWID) is from the WMD and does not fully take into account population change, such as guest workers and immigration. This results in expected deaths being underestimated and hence excess deaths being overestimated.
Last year and earlier this year Campbell and Bridgen used excess death information from other models, particularly the old ONS model and the OECD model. Both estimated expected deaths using a simple 5 year average of deaths in previous years. Inherently these models underestimate excess deaths when the population is increasing.
For example consider a situation where the population starts at 1 unit and increases by 1 unit each year; hence 1,2,3,4,5,6 in successive years. So the average of the first 5 years is (1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5)/5 = 3, the same as the middle year. So the model predicts that the population will be 3 in the 6th year, but it will be 6, an error of 100%. Now I am not suggesting that the error is this large, but mathematically the error in the 6th year is at least 3 times the annual increase. In reality the increase is not linear but is proportional (eg; a percentage each year).
Currently the population in the UK has a nett increase in population of 750k per year, which is 1.1% of the population per year, which results in the population in the 6th year being underestimated by at least 3 - 4%.
The date range for the average excludes 2020 which had huge numbers of COVID-19 deaths, so for 2024 the date range used was 2018 to 2019 and 2021 to 2023, which results a further small error (1%).
Also we have an aging population and more people will be in the next year age group than in that group in the current year. As the older we get the more people die, the deaths in the same age group will be greater next year than this year. This effect is becoming greater because the baby boomers are getting to the age where they are dying. This introduces a error of 2 to 3%.
In total an error of 6 - 8%. That is on average the excess deaths using this model are overestimated by 6 - 8%.
But this is not the only problem with this model.
The year 2020 , which had large number of COVID-19 deaths was excluded from the 5 year average, but the covid years 2021, 2022 & 2023 were included. Excess deaths are calculated weekly and the peaks and troughs in waves in previous years do not align with those in the current year.
excess deaths = total deaths - expected deaths
So peaks of COVID-19 deaths increase expected deaths and hence result in excess deaths being underestimated and troughs have the opposite effect. This causes glitches in these data.
This was recognised by the ONS during 2022 and they undertook to develop a better model. A document was produced outlining the options and a pilot model was developed for the The Office of Health Improvement and Disparities (OHDI) and was well received, Campbell used it.
The OECD used a similar model to the ONS, but with a different date range 2015 to 2019, which was used to estimate expected deaths for each of the years 2020 to 2024. This in errors of 13 - 14%. As a result it was decided to discontinue this model, which has not been updated from the end of April 2024. They had produced a Health Working Group paper No 163 which outlines a new model similar to the new ONS model. The new model is expected to be published soon.
The ONS published a new model in Feb 2024. They also published a document explaining why a new model is required and how the new modelworks. Essentially it looks at previous data, for each age group, calculates a regression model and estimates the change in the population for each group and then sums them together; it uses trends rather than averages. Further rather than exclude whole years that have high COVID-19 deaths, it does so on a weekly basis. The report shows a comparison of excess deaths calculated using the old and the new method, demonstrating that the new method is more accurate.
Campbell was dismissive of the new method, which is rather ironic because he had been singing the praises of information from the OHDI model (which is almost identical to the new ONS model) during 2023.
The problem with the BJM paper, Campbell and Bridgen is that they are using the wrong model. It is not that the there excessive excess deaths, rather they are using a model that underestimated expected deaths.
_"If the excess deaths were just throughout 2021 but then stopped midway you could then say that's great, the vaccine worked and the excess deaths seen in the first half of 2021 could maybe be attributed to lags in timing for registration and accounting for said death but come on now."_
COVID-19 deaths track SARS-CoV-2 infections by about 3 weeks and excess deaths track the COVID-19 deaths. The effect of the vaccines is gradual and cumulative. As mitigation measures change so does people's behaviour, which occurs quickly, resulting in less risk averse conduct. In particular late Summer and Autumn 2021. This was exacerbated by the emergence of the Omicron variant in Oct 2021. It was further boosted by seasonal behaviour over the Winter (stay in keep warm).
_"Yet the famously dodgy pcr tests picked sarscov2 up in sewage in march 2020 so why was it completely undeadly until we locked down a year later or even for the first few months of 2020 if you want to go on the official narrative. "_
For a start the rt/PCR test s are not dodgy, they are misunderstood and maligned.
There was limited testing for SARS-CoV-2 in sewage early in the pandemic. Retrospectively samples were analysed which confirm the presence of the virus early in 2020. There were a few from late 2019, but contamination of the samples is an issue.
SARS-CoV-2 was not undeadly for a year later after March 2020. In the UK 80k deaths occurred from COVID-19 from the commencement of the pandemic until Dec 2020 when the vaccines were deployed, more than 100k by the end of March 2021.
Perfect thanks
Got paid to debunk, what utter horse shit.
Oh, you are going to get so, so mad when this paper is retracted. It's going in that direction very fast, with an Expression of Concern already now attached to the article.
@@philo3479 czcams.com/video/lo2VtrsgdaU/video.htmlsi=pIn0TpLWP7haZAx7
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@@philo3479 They even had to use some seriously bad synonyms to hide they copied stuff from Karlinsky and Kobak, who did a much more thorough analysis that shows this paper to be a load of humbug *two years prior!*
The only "growing wave of information" that comes out is how far ideological zealots will push their beliefs to ignore the facts. You are an excellent example of such an ideological pusher.
@@philo3479Back to add less than nothing to the conversation again Philly?
Have you managed to convince any anti-vaxxers you’re a real doctor yet? 😂
Then all of you guys go ahead and keep getting more boosters. Go for it.
Was vaccinating over 2000 people on a DAILY basis! Vaccinated myself, family, friends and entirely of my clinical staff from our health care institution! We are all here!
So are us unvaccinated
@@jasonmaginnis9835 you mean despite your obviously poor decision making ? Thanks for letting us know that you don’t mind boasting about your obviously dumb decisions.
Not all the unvaccinated - some died from their Covid infection, sometimes after making repeated strong statements over social media about what a lie ‘Convid’ was. Some bereaved (vaccinated) family members later publicised their deaths to try to persuade others to take Covid seriously, and get vaccinated. Of course, some of those vaccinated also died of Covid, but far less.
Exactly why the hate? I didn't get it for personal reasons but why was I discriminated & lost my job. Who gives a damn? We should all live in harmony & respect the other person's decision.
@@jasonmaginnis9835 I beg to differ, the unvaccinated were the ones intubated in the ICU, we had many of those that “knew better” and got their medical degree from CZcams/facebook 🤷♂️ unfortunately some of them die
The degree of ad hominem and smug insults in the comments really goes to show how destitute the apologists argument has become. Keep insulting people, if that is what comforts you. The facts are that we were lied to about efficacy, and just about every other aspect of this. People with genuine injuries were treated like dirt by doctors like this. And he sits there and smugly defends the lies. Keep it up. The long-term effects will be known in the long term.
Citation required 😂
@@steveoxocube Not sure if you were being sarcastic, but in case you were not.... You want an officially sourced argument, No problem. According to the CDC, there substances "rarely" cause severely injury or death, rarely, but they never say just how rare. (unlike C-19, where they had nearly clairvoyant power to know numbers before they even existed). They won't put a number on those rare side-effects because they don't really know what those numbers are, and seem to have no curiosity to find them out. These substances are still being administered under what is called "Emergency Use Authorization." That means they have been put on the market without the normal requisite clinical trials and and safety testing. It's fine for the doctor to say they are safe, but no one can put a number on how safe, because that information does not exist. They are not doing the science.
@@PaulStringiniAll covid vaccines being used in the USA are now fully approved. They haven’t been under EUA for about 2 years now.
Studies have been done comparing side effects from the vaccine to same effects from the virus. For example:
“Myocarditis in SARS-CoV-2 infection vs. COVID-19 vaccination: A systematic review and meta-analysis”
“In this systematic review and meta-analysis, we found that the risk of myocarditis is more than seven fold higher in persons who were infected with the SARS-CoV-2 than in those who received the vaccine. These findings support the continued use of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines among all eligible persons per CDC and WHO recommendations.”
That study looked at nearly 50,000,000 people by the way.
“Thrombosis and thrombocytopenia after vaccination against and
infection with SARS-CoV-2 in the United Kingdom”
“Although the occurrence of VTE after vaccination was 1.1-fold above that expected in the general population, among those infected with SARS-CoV-2 it was more
than 7-fold the background (expected) rate.
Infection with SARS-CoV-2 prior to any vaccination against COVID-19 was also associated with increased risks of thrombocytopenia, arterial thromboembolism, and VTE with thrombocytopenia. These findings underline the relative safety of vaccines compared to the numerous ill-effects of being infected by SARS-CoV-2 for those people that remain unvaccinated.”
You see how that works? I make a claim and then back it with real, verifiable evidence. Ok your turn
Lets use an entire country to address your points. New Zealand delayed the event to 2022 and when 95% were protected, and almost entirely used Comirnaty, 99.997%.
To May 2024 US cases 103,436,829 / 1,187,125 *lost = 1 in 87.* NZ cases 2,589,531 / 3,995 *lost = 1 in 648.*
*Which looks a lot like the claimed efficacy.*
On the incidence of serious issues......
New Zealand has a single insurance provider (ACC, look it up), covering everyone in the country. They pay for medical costs and time off work, for any accident in NZ. They paid 1645 claims.
The 1645 break down to - allergic reactions 386, from a physical cause 392, myo & substance reaction 299, infections + other secondary problems 179, and 389 "other".
So with 4 million people, 12 million shots, 1645 AE, *about 1 in 2400 people or 1 in 7300 shots.* There were 4 people lost, so 1 in 1,000,000.
With such a large sample size, and a diverse population, I can guarantee similar results worldwide.
Taking out the physical ones or anything likely caused by the sharp thing, you'd have -571 from the 1645 = 1076 or 1 in 3717. Taking out the allergic ones, mainly PEG as a cause I suspect, 1076 - 386 = 690. So 1 in 5797 most likely from the substance.
So the range is .... (all cause) *1 in 2400 to 1 in 5800* (just from the substance).*
Finally, Wilson is a Molecular Biologist, not a Medical Doctor
@@Muritaipet Nice non-smug, non condescending straightforward answer. Thanks. I commend you on that. I take issue with the US numbers, they were claiming death from COVID if someone died in a car accident and tested positive. People with serious side effects were discouraged and hindered from reporting such things. I don't know what to think of the NZ numbers, I don't trust the scientific establishment to even give us proper numbers, or to facilitate proper reporting. New Zealand trampled on peoples rights. Just like in my country. I do not trust them. I watched their moral behavior, those that lie about little things cannot be trusted to tell the truth about big things. That's my rule to live by. But thanks for giving a serious and polite response, I appreciate that very much.
Very happy to say I lived in New Zealand during the pandemic and took all the free vaccines available. The negative value for the excess deaths was probably due to the reduced traffic accidents during lockdowns. Unfortunately the crazy drivers are back on the roads now.
"The negative value for the excess deaths was probably due to the reduced traffic accidents during lockdowns"
That is incorrect. The negative excess deaths were almost all the result of the lockdowns and other mitigation measures that reduced the spread of infections and deaths until after the population was vaccinated.
Here are the number of road fatalities for the 4 years before the pandemic and four years of the pandemic.:
- the 4 years before the pandemic: 327, 309, 378, 348
- the 4 years of the pandemic: 318, 318, 372, 343
‘fREe vAxXiNEs’ 😂
@@lw1zfog
Yes, the vaccines were free here, as were the services of the nurses and pharmacists who gave them.
@@williamverhoef4349 you live in a tax free country ? awesome !!! 😂
@@lw1zfog Why are you acting stupid. You're already stupid enough.
You won't be able to deny it much longer...
Deny what?
But do keep increasing the engagement for this video. More people do need to see it.
Little green aliens in spaceships? 🛸
Hey, antivaxxer hypocrites! Since YOU say that NOBODY is an expert in anything, that NOBODY is better at a thing than anyone else, then WHY don't you support everyone being paid equally, nobody (e.g. CEOs, Elon Musk, Trump) being paid more than anyone else? And if you call that Communism, then Communism is great, and is the American way.
@@Binkyboy34The excess deaths. Don't know about you, but people around me are dropping dead at an alarming rate, mostly from heart attacks and brain bleeds/aneurysms, and rapid cancer. You can say it's not happening, but we all see it. And calling us anti vaxxers, conspiracy theorists, right wing science deniers won't cut it anymore, because we are none of these things. We're just ordinary people watching our neighbors and loved ones suffer and die. Even AZ and Pfizer are beginning to come clean. You should too.
@@lindaward oh dear liNda, next time maybe you should type out something as equally vacuous about ‘marsh gas’ 😂
I like when you tackle the current circulating misinformation in short segments.
"I like when you tackle the current circulating misinformation in short segments." I am not vaccinated against COVID. I got COVID 3 times (one bad and two times easy mode). I am still alive. No hospitalization and no treatment other than quality food, sleep and a lot of beer. You think I am misinformed and I don't yet know I should be dead? Pretty much everyone I know got it at some point and they are not dead. You think they are misinformed too? I don't know anyone who died of COVID and I don't know anyone who knows someone who died of COVID. I'm talking about a lot of people I interact due to my work, information first-hand. You think I am misinformed, somehow?
we like that you like your reassuring cope broadcasts in a compact format !
‘$CIENCE!’
It's easy when all you have to do is read past the headline!
The Titanic isn't sinking.
Look at all these compartments that aren't flooded
That's fro dumb people to make them "understand" and to keep them hooked.
It would be great if you could have a live stream with Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Peter McCullough where you could discuss the points of this issue in greater detail.
Most people nowadays need to read the enlightenment philosopher Baruch Spinoza since he dealt on the topic of superstitions which today exist in the form of conspiracy theories. Baruch Spinoza and his cartesian rationalism can be used by scientists and laymen alike using rationalism grounded on philosophy to refute superstitions and bring us to reality of how things are. Philospher Spinoza has something to teach us about good reason and dispelling superstitions and conspiracy theories of all kinds.
I bet you feel smart name dropping Spinoza and other philosophers.
Sadly, you’ve been duped by big pharma and the machine. You’re trying to label very unsettled science as “conspiracy theory”. Shows you’re biased and making subjective claims about objective reality.
The entire field of virology is a form of superstition.
@@philo3479 got a chip on your shoulder
@@robertgutierrez5058Philly there claims to be a surgeon you know? Ask him about it. He’ll show you his license and threaten to sue you if you question him 😂
@@robertgutierrez5058I’m not trying to refute anything what are you on about?
Having personally been seriously injured by the AZ 'vaccine' I will never again trust doctors, pharmaceutical products, nor any government recommendation. All are free to do what they wish and believe what they want to - but dismissing real lived experiences is naive.....
Sure you were.
When did anyone say any vaccine is 100% safe? But I doubt you were "seriously injured". Anti-vaxxers love their "injury" stories.
"Joined Dec 1, 2023"
@@philo3479 now the lying Phraud is using the appeal to future vindication/consequences fallacy. How pathetic can you get, Phlerfy?
@@philo3479Speaking of easily triggered Philly are you gonna threaten to sue everyone again Philly? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The primary thing about anti-vaxxers is that they lie. That's why they are anti-vaxxers, but it goes so much further. They'll lie all day long to push their narrative. And that's all that online "vaccine injury" stories are, at this point. It's been that way since this was all about anti-vaxxers on message boards and Barbara Loe Fisher (queen of anti-vax) got her start.
So there is absolutely NO reason to believe any claim of a "vaccine injury" that comes with the added qualifiers of "never again trust...". Lived experience is called an "anecdote" for a reason.
Hey , do you still work for Eurofins ? Who were involved in the development of PCR and serology tests , and who also support the biopharmaceutical industry in developing new vaccines ? Could that be construed as conflict of interest?
No
@@paolorossi5989 why is it a conflict of interest ?
So you have a conflict of interest. Why because you are anti-this vaccine.
I see pollo 🐔did a runner 😂😂😂
When the vaccine was first available in 2021, my brother was bugging me texts about people supposedly dying from the vaccine. My sister on the other hand, was deeply worried about me dying from the virus. She’s wanted me to get vaccinated.
Disgraceful "journalism" by The Telegraph newspaper.
what is the definition of a vaccinated person. with all boosters? 2 weeks after vaccination?
14 days after second dose (it takes ~14 days to fully mount an immune response)
That would have been described as "Fully Vaccinated" with the regards to the primary sequence. Strictly this definition was applicable from the moment of the second vaccination. However as pointed out by @noahduarte2176, the full immune response would not develop for 14 days.
It is widely recognised that in reality this vaccine is a 3 dose vaccine and at least one booster is required 3 - 6 months after the second dose.
In the US they use the phase "fully up to date with vaccines", which means having further boosters (vaccines against latter subtypes) in accordance with the recommendations for each age group. For the older age groups this includes further vaccinations every 6 to 12 months.
@@christopherrobinson7541 not in the uk, as 2 x jabbers who then dropped BEFORE the 28 day period were plonked into the ‘unwaxed’ stats
So if you died the day after being vaccinated, you are an unvaccinated mystery death? 😅
@@lw1zfog" not in the uk, as 2 x jabbers who then dropped BEFORE the 28 day period were plonked into the ‘unwaxed’ stats" Wrong, again. In the UK you were deemed vaccinated from the moment you received your first vaccination dose.
So you can take your doses now? Its safe!
So how unsafe is it? Give a percentage UK USA NZ. I am interested in your opinion.
Science - the religion of the lizards.....
Is that the same Lizards beaming mind control rays from the hollowed out moon?
That's easily my favourite 'spiracy theory.
@@Muritaipet 'Sadam Hussain has Weapons of mass destruction' is my favorite 'spiracy theory. Oh, no, he didn't did he.... pity the lizards convinced most people - just like the 'safe and effective' 'spiracy theory. You guys just wait, we have only just started on the mid term side effects - and remember, no rat lived past the mid term rapid cancers.to see if there are long term effects.
@@MaitreMark LMAO. Nobody believed the WMD claim. It's why no one joined in. And it's definitely not as fun as Lizard people. Maybe they will be doing the "effects" you talk about?
Because they're not actually here on Earth yet.
I see the pro-vix deleted his comment.....
trust the ones that make these graphs, the fact that they makde billions out of this is anecdotal, lol
None of the data in the study is in question 😂
Well done for showing everyone you don’t understand the paper 😂
brilliant!!!!
Brilliant grift? Not really, but if it got you... 😉
@@SaviorMoney-777you really are desperate aren’t you! 😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘
@@SaviorMoney-777 it did ... i read the paper and his analysis is spot on.
@@SaviorMoney-777 it certainly rattled your cage eh!!😛
@@markhammerschmidt5315 Hardly. I've been watching pharma and their shills lie to people for decades.
Judas is collecting the rest of his silver
It’s main stream media 😂 not mass media get with the lingo. Keep up the good work
And you forget that everything werd called covid even caraccidents if a test said covid
The fk are you actually trying to say?
@@paolorossi8470 do you still think I'm your friend or something? Oh dear. 😔
You forget that this was the rapid tracking system in SOME countries - which was supplemented by the slower death certificate tracking, whereas many others had such strict rules for COVID deaths that loads of COVID deaths were not listed as COVID deaths because there was no positive test (often because there was no testing done before death).
Get out of that COVID misinformation bubble where you've obviously been spending way too much time already. You might actually learn something - even if it hurts your sensitivities, especially when you realize how much you have allowed yourself to be fooled.
@@paolorossi8470 why do you keep trying to make me laugh if you don't think I'm your friend? Check and mate.
@@paolorossi8470 well good for you, champ, you really seem like you could do with more joy in your life!