Should the Struggling Mariners Bother Buying at the Deadline?
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- čas přidán 2. 07. 2024
- The Mariners' offensive woes are continuing to snowball, culminating in the team's latest disaster of a performance in a 2-0 shutout loss to the Orioles. As such, despite Seattle's three-game lead in the AL West, fans are getting antsy and some believe the issues are too major to make buying at the trade deadline worth it. Ty and Colby explain why they wholeheartedly disagree with that take. Former Yankees baseball operations analyst Andrea Arcadipane of ScoutGirlReport.com and The Athletic Fantasy also joins the show to discuss the ongoing struggles of Julio Rodríguez.
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Meanwhile you look over at Houston and they lost 7 starting pitchers (4 with TJ), roster decimated by free agency, Kyle Tucker has been out for a month, had to completely drop Jose Abreu and they still fight like pitbulls with rookie arms and waiver wire guys going every night.
That's what makes us better than the league.
no one has 7 starting pitchers
@@owebeejaun
The replacements got injured.
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Justin Verlander OUT
JP France OUT
Jake Bloss OUT
Cristian Javier OUT/TJ
Luis Garcia OUT/TJ
Lance McCullers OUT/TJ
Jose Urquidy OUT/TJ
@@heidi7151 We out here still!
This team is in the bottom 20 of ALL-TIME worst offenses in MLB history. They should buy, but they should have started weeks ago. This org has not shown any level of intolerance for prolonged terrible play. I think fans want to see the org do something about their completely terrible players. Haniger and Polanco are painful to watch.
That is embarrassing
Dead last in MLB batting average at .216. Next worse team is ChiSox at .221. Seattle will need a prolonged hot streak to improve upon that.
Not one player is playing up to his average...the worst offensive shit i have ever seen why do es anyone pay for this shit
@@TerryLane4427… Dipoto needs to be held accountable for this trash ..
I do agree that we shouldn’t sell. However, this front office does not have a good track record bringing in “reliable hitters”. I think some people are tired of this front office and don’t want to give pieces up while they’re potentially out the door
We have to look at Dehart at this point he’s the hitting strategist and it’s not working….
When your entire team is struggling for 2-3 years like the offense has. Getting worse every year since he’s been here. It’s clearly not working…
For one, no player should be off limits in the right deal. Two, I'm getting tired of having the same issue every year. We do nothing in free agency then we're forced to talk about trading our best farm bats at the deadline. Stanton has me so pissed off.
The one thing they probably shouldn’t do is three month rentals. This team needs to be built for 2025 as much as, if not more than 2024.
If they’re gonna spend prospects and money it should be on players than can help next year too.
There is a good chance that this team could be a good bit more than 3 games behind the division leader by the deadline.
Exactly. We all want them to buy obviously. If the deadline was tomorrow then yes. But it's not. And the wild card teams are real good and have kicked our ass this season. We drop out of the division lead, then we're out of a playoff spot. I love the locked on duo. But there's a real good chance that they're 5 plus out of a playoff spot come the deadline. No way you can justify buying at that point. They are acting like it's still June 10th.
Absolutely true
This team is hard to watch right now 🤦♂️ go m’s but f this!!!!!!!!
They were hard to watch even when they were winning sadly
@@dsnow42 i agree. i love pitching but if they dont dominate its not enjoyable
Yeah, they play the most boring brand of baseball you'll ever see. Like, the dude said it wasn't even fun to watch when they were winning. Shits difficult to watch night after night
A lot of Julio’s swing and misses are on pitches high out of the zone. Unfortunately many are for strike three. Bad pitch selection is mental and fixable. Little leaguers are taught not to swing at those high pitches, you see them really good because they’re more on line with your eyes but you CAN’T hit them! Frustrating to watch.
This team needs to buy too many pieces. 4 bats minimum, and for whatever reason, the coaching staff ruins batters.
Amen guys. Trade as much of the farm system PROSPECTS as needed get 3-4 quality proven bats while we have this amazing starting pitching under contract for the next couple years at a relatively bargain price. The window to push for a championship is right now and the owners need to get serious for change - put there $ where their mouth has been for 3 years and show us they are actually committed to win it all. But not holding my breath for Stanton and the group to actually do anything other than a mild appeasing to fans, unfortunately. Hope they prove me wrong. If they do virtually nothing, or worse yet sell, especially with our awesome pitching already in place, it'll be the biggest wasted opportunity in M's history to win a championship (maybe outside the 2001 season).
you know what? I'm just sick of this team. Year after year. They aren't serious. And I can't say what I think they should have done or what they shouldn't because everyone will say how stupid and wrong I am. Even though it really is the correct thing to do. Don't want to "offend" anyone out there. I don't give a care what these guys do anymore. I'm tuning it out.
47 years worth , 48 now, they just are never quite good enough
Love the show!
Couple thoughts:
1. It's hard to believe that major league pitchers are just now figuring out Julio is a fast ball hitter.
2. I believe the Home Run Derby has had a negative effect on Julio and other players. Of the 4 to get to the semi finals last year, 3 have had down years.
Is that a Holy Grail that cannot be discussed?
2nd place by all star break. Book it
Likely correct
It seems every fair ball that ends up going foul, every 3-2 pitch swung at outside the strike zone is magnified. Simply because the margin for error offensively is so slim. Since June 18, the Mariners are 4-10 and having gone 19-108 with runners in scoring position. They are better than that. In games where they have had at least 2 hits with runners in scoring position, the M's are 34-9. Return to that and I like the Mariners changes. Yet I don't see that happening when your two top hitters are batting .257 and .252. That's pathetic!
It's time to boo Julio. You only do the standing Os if booing doesn't work
I’m so disappointed in this team it’s play has has been pathetic
Servais needs to go, a different line up every night doesn't help the offense
I can understand your arguments. But it's not crazy to have the conversation. Even when they were 10 games up there was a ton of baseball left to play. All of this is moot if they're not in a position to buy in a month. Which with the way they're playing right now, they very well could not be. If they're in the same boat record wise as last year, Jerry will not buy. That's been proven.
yet another elite colby rant. love it.
The irony of that about "reactionary fans" is pretty thick. 😐
With such a pathetic offense, I don't see this as the team to trade up and over the top with. Keep the prospects and let this team ride it out. It's on the offense to figure it out, be disciplined, and score runs. With Julio in the tank, it just isn't going to happen.
I think most fans would agree, there is no one or two players worth trading for that is gonna magically turn this thing around, this coaching staff, ownership group, GMs, all need to disappear. This is year #4 of "now its time to be competitive" yet keep building the team or lack thereof in the exact same fashion of beginning of their tenure. Servais half the time looks like he forgets that he can actually put the game in motion and manufacture runs, his obedience to analytics over playing the hot bats never seem to end well. Dipoto may be working for a PoS owner, but the money you do get to spend? You have blown it on guys who are past their prime or continuous bargain bin hunting hoping injured players turn around. Then without augementing the team in free agency, his specialty is suppose to be trades yet has failed multiple years now to move guys when we have a surplus at the position and our guys actually having trade value. At this point it just feels they are doing this to convince the young core we do have that once FA comes due gotta trade them or watch them leave cause anybody with a competitive bone in their body would not want to play for them.
Other teams are scouting us perfectly. They know we chase bad pitches and will go after anything slightly out of the strike zone. What are we averaging 12 stikeouts per game?
Gotta say though, just to get back to the mean this team needs to hit like .340 the rest of the way. That won’t happen, but anywhere near that should get you to a division title.
Teoscar says “hola”
Teoscar currently has 58 RBIs (more than the best Mariner) and, BTW, Jarred K. batting average = 0.278 (now the lead-off batter for the Braves), which would exceed the current Mariners best b.a. of 0.244 (Julio). Really miss Teoscar.
@@rgs559 Caballero doin great too
@@rgs559 both would have a sub .700 OPS if they were still on the mariners
also Andrea was great!
The 2 teams that have real good vibes right now that make me feel even worse about the Mariners current status are the Twins and Red Sox. The Twins are 8th in OPS, Correa has been hot for awhile, and they just called up one of their top prospects in Brooks Lee. The Red Sox are 6th in OPS, Jarren Duran has had an MVP caliber season, Devers has been red hot, and they have done it without Triston Casas. Obviously you wanna win the division, but the AL wildcard won't be easy by any stretch.
Well said Colby. The decimated bullpen will heal. Julio will figure it out. They will add proven bats. Even if the Mariners just barely make the playoffs as a wild card, they'll be
the one team others will be scared of.
Does ownership let a lame duck DiPoto front office commit significant prospect and payroll capital to this roster mid season? I’m not sure. The more boos ownership hears in T-Mobile, the less chance Jerry lasts to the end of the season. If they determine he’s out, then no way they let him make any meaningful moves. Going to be an interesting month.
Love that you two still have hope that this front office is capable of buying! Keep living the dream for us all!😅
They need to buy in free agency for once. I'm tired of having to give up something to get something every year
Good discussion as always guys.
If we lose the division before the deadline we should trade castillo. The way the wildcard is looking we have to win the division to get in. We have the worst batting average as a team in all mlb. Im afraid its just not our and i think we need to re-tool for next season. Find a way to move on from garver polanco and haniger and hopefully next season julio will be back and we can make a run then
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Colby Flagged Luke Raley, Logan Gilbert, Josh Rojas, Bryan Woo, and Dylan Moore.
Ty Flagged Bryce Miller, Jorge Polanco, Luis Urías, Mitch Garver, and Mitch Haniger.
I like the lighting during the prize picks ad 💕🔥
The Mariners have done nothing to improve their offense in 5 years.
Somebody needs to be fired even if just to send a message. As a lifetime fan...this is painful to watch. The offense isn't only bad...it's dull and boring to watch.
We will be seller at deadline. Jerry's WS projections got pushed back by 5 yrs over the last 10 gms. Rebuild!
Servais has to go and buy pitchers both starters and bullpen.
he can take rest of his staff with him too, anybody else find it incredible even by M's standards that Servais two days ago talking about Polanco and how they just talked to him and he needs to make a big swing adjustment? Like really? This late into the friggen season it's finally dawned on them from what everybody has seen and said. It's crazy
Get it Colby!! What a stud!
To everyone that told me I was dumb to think Houston was still going to end up winning division how do u feel now?
Mariners strength of schedule becomes extremely soft soon. Race will be close imo.
@@msscott22 Yea right.
Luis Robert Jr. has hits in 11 of his last 12 games and homered in 3 of the last 5 games. Two top 5 minor leaguers and a low level prospect should do the trick.
"Part of the Ship, part of the Crew"
I’m not opposed to going all in for guys using our prospects but I really don’t think we’re in a great spot to make this offense better than bottom 10
And we can’t afford to buy shhhht just to say we bought
Colby's rant lol 🔥 and Ty's to end the episode
Colby made me laugh out loud on this episode
They’ll finish 3rd in the division.
If your not gonna buy (wich we pretty much know this team will not buy anything meaningful at the deadline)then ya might as well admit you slammed the window shut for now and dipoto can come out and condescendingly tell the fans that we are shifting focus to 2026 and 2027 and we think these moves will make the 2027 window unlocked.
Two deadlines ago they went out and got Luis Castillo when it comes to the trade deadline they can actually go get at least one meaningful piece
@@waterbrojoe1251 yeah they went all out for pitching that's all jerry cares about. We will be lucky if he gets one mid level bat and that won't be enough
Locked On AquaSox would go so hard
As hard as it has been to watch this team, I appreciate you affirming our upside and the need to add. Awesome episode. We can and should take this division.
I’m relatively new to baseball but I remember when we got Castillo everyone said that our farm system was bad now and that it would take 2/3 years to recover and blah blah blah and the Mariners have maintained a very good farm system since then. Just trade and get the guys you need!! We have the pitching NOW, who knows where the starters and this bullpen is by 2028 anyway? Lmao, unbelievable.
Counting on the “in house “
Guys to get better is asinine. Garver qnd Polonco are washed. JP is who he is. Haniger was never good.
They won’t make a trade to win. I want them to buy. But Stanton doesn’t want to win.
lol great thumbnail
This team will not be in the playoff's this fall. Keep George, Gilbert and Brash, monze trade the rest for hitters
To add to Colby's rant: while a different sport, how many Rams fans do you think are regretting the "eff them picks" era that ultimately led to them winning the Super Bowl?
Even if you do buy and add hitters to the roster, who are you moving off the roster? Who is going to want Haniger, France, or Polanco? Nor will the ownership want to DFA them and pay them to leave the team.
hitting julio at 7 is kooky
M's fans are the biggest pessimists in all of Baseball, good grief Charlie Brown.
I don't think this team is good enough this season and I don't see a lot of great fits and good deals in this market. Seems likely any big deal would have near instant regret.
I'm enjoying this interview with Andrea, it's interesting to hear her insights and learn from the commentary 🔥👌
No. If they try to buy anyone at the deadline, especially given this market, they're going to overpay for them. Take off the homer goggles. Three trades aren't giving them a 50% chance of going to the World Series. 🙄 Even the team they're playing against right now (which also has greater payroll flexibility and better farm system to trade from) don't have nearly those odds.
Let's put it this way: they were a better team last season that sold their closer.
They're actually closer on paper to being the 2021 team which was a 76 win team on paper that also sold their closer. That team won 90 games, but was/is a huge statistical outlier.
*This isn't me saying they will/should trade Andres Munoz.*
I would consider offers for Luis Castillo if a real contender is willing to overpay for him. The Mariners did that once. They already bought and sold Robbie Ray. If this organization prides itself on developing pitching, they need to lean into it.
They need to use this deadline as an opportunity to clear the old dead wood off the roster and give more young guys a chance to play.
Then in the off season, instead of half-stepping and making lateral "payroll neutral" moves that makes them 6 games worse on paper, make at least one aggressive move for a legitimate star hitter and continue to remake their lineup from there with guys who can actually hit a baseball.
The time for team building was/is in the off season, not at the deadline.
People who are ready to sell are definitely being reactionary. That said, I’m not sure I would trade future assets for rental players because I’m not convinced that this is our year. For me, it’s obvious that we need to buy, but I would be interested in longer term investments.
Great show, im with both of you guys. Gotta buy
Playoff baseball is all about who gets hot at the right time. If they make proper moves at the deadline and hit a hot streak going into October I would feel good
These comments are a breath of fresh air - yay for common sense thoughts!
If your great plan is for them to "buy, buy, buy", then how much longer should they spend losing games before they do that?
Keep in mind, they missed the playoffs by ONE game last year.
Brandon Belt.
Does Colby always look this miserable 14:35
Let’s goooo
It's ok to be disappointed about the last couple of weeks of Mariner output, but sweet Geezuz, so many fans want to jump off the cliff.
Take a breath! Cubs and Snakes as well as others are fading and in 3 weeks we could get some great pieces there, without giving up most of the farm system we have today.
BREATHE, PEOPLE!
How many of us have lost grandparents and family members that were huge Mariner's fans that never got to see them win? We have the best chance we've had in over 20 years. Go for it.
This team is becoming impossible to support
Crazy to make a video basically titled "should the Mariners give up" and with a thumbnail that says "they're cooked" on July 3rd while in first place in the division. That's beyond just doomer talk that's hater talk.
That's the kind of negativity I'd expect from the Astros talking about the Mariners, not actual Mariners fans.
100% agree with colby im a win now type of person too
To be completely honest, I don’t think we should buy but idk also like in my mind a couple bats and a reliever isn’t going to fix this. You can’t fix the entire It’s a shame because this division is extremely windable this season with how terrible the Rangers have been and how bad the Astros were for 70 games but when it mattered most we fell apart the Astros were bound to have a streak and we didn’t keep up with it. When they did I wish I knew how to fix this
Bro the season isn’t over, there is no guarantee the pitching stays good next year.
Man how long have you even been an Ms fan? Also it’s not “the entire roster”. It’s a few guys not playing up to their average at the moment, and a few other guys the org was cheap on like Garver and Polanco and we can easily swap them for other bats if the org is willing to spend. I don’t know why you’re talking in the past tense either like this season is over already. We’re still ahead right now. It’s like you didn’t even listen to Colby or Ty either. Y’all need to stop being so soft.
@@trevor2133 2006 and to be completely honest because I’ve been in a shitty mood today I commented before even watching the video and made a change to my comment I’m an idiot I know and after finishing it I still am concerned because even if we go hog wild at the deadline that alone can’t fix it it has to be fixed from within and my biggest worry say we trade most of the top 10 or at least half of them to get some guys what if they also underperform Julio doesn’t get it together JP doesn’t get it together cal stays inconsistent Then we have a weaker farm and dudes who we can’t trade without trading more of the farm. We have to pay Kirby and Gilbert soon I’m just concerned that this team can completely fall off the rails and be in a terrible situation so quickly that’s my biggest concern. That’s why I kinda don’t want to buy because of the fact that if the people we need to start playing better, just don’t it’s not like it hasn’t happened before to great players in my heart I believe JRod is an mvp guy but what if he just doesn’t get it back I’m rambling. I guess I’m just upset because this should be our year. This should be our division. There’s no reason for this shit to be happening. I don’t expect the offense to be top 10 or even good but we have shown what we can do if they’re even even just mid to average not all-time bad like they are now
Your comment sounds like we're 10 games out of first when we're leading the division, lol.
I’m gonna keep it a buck, if we just take 2/3 from the marlins and the rays we dont have to panic. But the Ms are that bad
The only thing that will fix the mariners organization is getting rid of Justin Hollander. His off season acquisitions just show this guy has no freaking clue what he is doing.
Buy Buy Buy. Win now and in the future.
A couple of bats and a releiver isnt going to fix this? Fml you guys are terrible