"Our mission is to get into the base and through four high-security steel doors with the most advanced locks ever constructed. To get through the doors we are going to use this computerized AI lock opener that is the most advanced tool ever constructed." "Forget it -I use the rake."
@@HingerlAloisthat’s what I was thinking. It is definitely worth knowing if there is an issue with either design or manufacturing where a lot of them are susceptible to that, but that is not necessarily the case. Problem is that doing such a test would be very difficult/costly/time consuming :-/
@@kutter_ttl6786Replace them with Avocet ABS. That's what I installed on the house when I moved in, and that was before I found LPL. I was over the moon when I found the 16 minute picking video for them.
This video actually solidified the "once more so you can see it's not a fluke" part. If you had swapped around the two raking attempts in this video I would have given the lock the benefit of the doubt because of how short it usually takes. But because we started with the long one and ended with the quick one, it really hit home how one quick rake doesn't tell you the whole story.
Need a maze with doors, gates, strong boxes, safes, lockout devices, etc etc as a challenge to see what locksmith can get through everything the fastest.
The humour is good, but the situation... not that much. I do understand why Texas allows guns for people. Having a good steel door seems to make sense for zombie attacks only(unless LPL gets bitten and at some point you would hear that good old "...got a...braaaains... click out of 1").
@@TheDeadStyx Some might say the American-esque philosophy is: the fence, latches, locks, and other things are simply to delay long enough for the property owner to retrieve a more direct solution. Works for zombies too I suppose! But yeah, when you don't reside somewhere like that, you hope to delay intruders long enough for the police to arrive, assuming there was time to call them in the first place.
It would be very helpful if you could explain *why* you’re using a certain tool for each lock you open. Like why *that* rake and why *that* size tension tool? Remember that few of your viewers are expert locksmiths.
I assume he tried it before: the rake works only with weak locks, the tool for individual pins works on nearly all locks. There are some decoder tools if you not only want to open the lock but want to make a key for it. The decoder is the most advanced method and some decoders come with a fiber camera (about 2000$). You usually start with a rake as it's the fastest method and the problem is the right tension on the lock. There are some custom locks with nearly zero tolerances for safes and banks, but you'll only get 1-2 keys, and it's impossible to get a replacement key (each pin is custom fitted in each pinhole with 1/1000mm tolerance). But you can't pick all 6 pin's at the same time. Now they moved to electronic locks with 2048 Bit asymmetric signatures.
Yes. But what I want to know is why LPL used *that* rake instead of a different rake. I want him to go into details about it, like are its peaks and valleys better spaced for this particular lock or what the logic is for his decision to use it. Even if it’s just “I think I’ll use… this one today because I feel like it.”
@@losttownstreet3409 Someone with some skill could pretty much make an app that all you would have to do is put the camera up to the lock and it would tell you what to do. If its a pad lock a face photo plus key way would help it and it could decide. If it does not know someone in the community who has a lock and key could add it to the list. It would not be hard to make something like this. Would help a lot of locksmiths. Oh wait never mind, many locksmiths here are drill and replace or cut the lock. They would never just pick it because they do not make any money. Either way the app would work quite well as it could also tell you the exact lishi tool to use too. I could not find a master list of it online. So just enter your model in the car and you could pull up the right tool and then use said tool. The same with any locks they have lishi tools for them as well.
It's a great question. Eurocylinders like the one in the video are commonplace here in the UK (and I guess the rest of Europe), they're in the vast majority of modern house doors. They're awkward to pick with 'regular' picks because Euro keyways tend to be considerably narrower than US ones, I had to get a specific slimline set. How you'd choose [blah] tension wrench over another though I have no clue, and despite being a country that took to metric like a duck to custard "thousandths" are meaningless here. LPL might as well be saying "I'll take this 17 butterfly-wings turner" for the relevance it has.
The only way to make 100% sure that it's really not visible on camera is to physically remove it. Nice opsec by LPL. Blurred out or pixelated text can be reconstructed, blacking out sometimes doesn't work because of different reflectiveness of the pen vs. the printout.
There's a scene in the Steve Carell show "The Patient" where he fails picking a master lock with a plastic fork, I'd still love to see the LPL give it a go
@@Ajko89 was made by Hoot, aka the guy with the GMod animations for stuff like inflating BIG magazine, medium suppressor, BIG grenade LAUNCHER, BIG GRIP, BIG LASER, and STACC armor
I think the video was just saying that a singular bad lock can happen with any manufacturer. This doesn't make DOM a bad manufacturer. An easy-to-defeat lock can come from anywhere, even from the best companies. Sure, if you buy from Master Lock it's almost guaranteed, but every lock sold from anywhere has a non-zero chance of being a lemon, just because locksmithing is not and can never be perfect.
The bitting is generally random, and you need either a good variance in the height of the pins OR you need to be using a couple of steel springs along with the copper ones to actually stop raking. I'm not sure if serrated or spool pins provide more raking resistance on average, but my intuition is that serrated pins would do better but since spools are generally considered "better" for pick resistance I'd bet that that particular lock only had spools with a single standard pin (the one standard pin is to make sure the lock doesn't START in a false set). Long story short, at random some locks will be rakeable unless the company goes to more extreme measures to prevent it.
@@Formedras He _specifically_ says that the lock has several security pins, which usually prevent raking. It was, indeed, a fluke. Just not for teh raking - but for the particular lock, which is for some reason vulnerable to something it shouldn't be
" I mean DOM is so proud of its locks, they're so expensive" It is in the end German company so even when they gonna produce crap they will be braging about it and ofc they gonna charge you premium for it... It is kinda important to point that the whole "German engineering" slogan was invented by Germans themself and to be exact by VW, you know the company that was created by National Socialists and the first car that they "invented" were just a rip off of Czechoslovakian Tatra V570...the guy that did that(Ferdinand Porsche) ofc first renaunced his Czechoslovakian citizenship then he made a Czechoslovakian car the "Proud German peoples car"... Anyone remembers how VW got a special engine mode for time when testing tool was conected to the car? German that worked in Mercedens LoLed the idea that they were the only one because as he said everyone when new stuff is comming out from other German competition they take it a part and trying to learn every secret of it(and it is like tradition and they doing it asap).
Euro locks are standard here in Britain. They’re typically breached by lock snapping - if it sticks out then use a pipe or mole grips and snap it. If it doesn’t then put a screw in and snap with a claw hammer
Dear LPL 😱 OMG! Almost all people I know have this kind of locks on all their doors. That's a very embarrassing result for such a big company like DOM (and others too of course). And especially for each and every emergency locksmith who drills locks out to make a ton of money (and to sell new locks). Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing. Best regards luck and health in particular.
How do you know which model of lock the people you know have? Or do you think that all DOM locks are the same? You do realize that lock companies sell different locks?
@@Jehty21they put their name on a lock that can be raked open. Now you expect consumers to go out of their way to find the lock they make that isn't rakable? You have a lot to learn about consumers my friend
this is especially bad because you can buy wave rakes cheaply, and they are super easy to use. So a low IQ criminal can easily use them, if they first fail with the crowbar (they always try the crowbar first). Even worse wave rakes and tensioners can be disguised (unlike bump keys, maybe combs), so criminals can carry them without any worry. A lock which needs actual picking, even without any security pins, is not pickable for the average criminal. So those are massively more secure than the ones which you can open with a wave rake (or a bump or comb).
Would be nice to do a deep dive or disassembly of this lock to see why a wave rake worked; if it's not the security pins, where is the vulnerability? Craftsmanship? Tolerances?
My guess is tolerances and rounded edges for the holes. The security pins are expected to jam at wrong height. In this case they aren't jamming or they don't stay jammed but can be moved a bit further. He was careful to not rake too hard to make them stuck past the correct height but allowing him to keep nudging them upwards until too much rounding of the pins makes them self-adjust the last bit from the tensioning tool.
Kind of like to see that disassembled! Is the problem that the security pins are low tolerances, bevelled or something? Got to be a reason raking worked so well.
BTW you're opening that lock from the inside side, is possible that the inside will be less secure than the outside side. With the EURO lock cores try to always use the long side first, thanks ;-)
hmmm, but you don't want the long side to be sticking out of your door (the the whole thing can be just sawn /snapped off), do you? I have the shorter side facing outside. Perhaps somebody with a different door size would have it the other way. I would guess both sides should be equally secure
@@panda4247 These cylinders can be gotten with any sort of length on either side, and obviously you pick a size that's appropriate for the door - you want it to be flush with the door (or with the protective lock plate). I had to use one of these (a 90mm/30mm) for a door which had some very thick decorative wood paneling on the outside. When taken in isolation it looked ridiculous, but when mounted it was flush with the paneling.
Normally these cylinders are specified/ordered with an 'internal' length and an 'external' length. So it may really be possible to have different pick-resistance between both sides, even if it seems to me a useless complication of the fabrication process...
Unless there are two different keys, one for the outside, and a different one for the inside, the lock cylinders are identical. Picking either requires the same skill and effort.
I managed to get into a till drawer at work recently after the drawer got stuck and the key was lost. Rather than waiting until the next day for the technician to come out, I tried raking it with a little key on my house key set, and managed to get the whole lock mechanism to pop out, so I just turned it open with a flat screwdriver and pushed the lock back into the housing afterwards. Sometimes the simple solutions work.
If the whole lock mechanism came out then you either managed to rake whats known as 'control' or most likely, someone else forced the lock before and its retaining clip is missing. That drawer isnt secure.
I just got the Genesis set for my birthday and it's very cool. I got the fng as well and am working on the practice lock. Thanks for turning me onto a possibly very entertaining hobby. 👍
I’m a contractor, I had a customer ask me the other day “what do you think the most secure lock is?” Me “my opinion? …. They’re all a fallacy. From what I’ve seen it doesn’t matter what you get. A professional that wants in will get right through any lock.” LPL. Thank you for teaching me a lesson on keyed locks.
The place I live in had one of these when I first moved in around a year ago. I immediately changed it for one the better locks tested on this channel.
With pin tumblers you always want at least one MAC on the bitting near the front to foil raking attacks. Spools and serrated pins- the most common security pins- can sometimes be raked as you saw here.
I'd love to see a video explaining the process of finding the quickest way to open a lock without any prior knowledge of its potential flaws. Like what is the order of operations that he uses?
also the metal piece next to the black plastic turning piece is a weak point.. so you remove the shroud from around the key area, which is usually the handle piece, then with a pair of pliers or grips you can snap the entire cylinder in half and then just insert an allen key into to hole where the lock once was and turn to unlock the door. once open you can remove the rest of cylinder and replace with a new lock.. this is only advised if it is an emergency situation to gain access to someone in need of medical treatment where limited tools are available.
When the LPL has a little bit of alone time with the Mrs. He's been known to say "let's try that again just to make sure that wasn't a fluke", as Wayne and Garth would say "that's what she said".
Thank you for your videos! I work in maintenance and we sometimes need to get locks off of things without the key... I've picked 5+ locks with raking and zero skill, it's kind of insane how easy it is. These are mostly master locks, but also any kind of drawer, time clock, etc are all very low security locks.
If you look at the key, it's pretty flat. So the pins are all more or less of the same size. When I buy a lock I always select the one with the most peaks and valleys...
You don't really need to pick a Eurocylinder you can snap it in 5 seconds. See the hole in the body? Look how thin the metal is on either side of it. Get some grips/wrench on the end, wiggle from side to side for 5 seconds and it's snapped. This one has sections at the end which break off instead and are supposed to make it more secure but I don't know if they do.
@@yann664 Snapping is not really a thing. They are usually mounted flat without anything to grab on to. The UK had cases in the past where you'd remove the protection around the lock and then snap it. This is why more secure locks have snap protection like the one in this video (the gaps).
In europe that's a service the cops sometimes deliver. We came home one day to find the area around the lock on the backdoor all scratched up. So we called the cops. So they said "yeah, that was us. We thought your lock was insecure because it was proud of the face plate, but we couldn't force it ..." They also tended to preventively steal whole bike racks at the railway station so you had to walk to the police station to get your bicycle back... real fun. @.@
As many locks fail in the hands of LPL, I'm convinced all you need is the old fashioned mechanical dial combination lock. But I bet LPL could open those too.
I think this guy should design a lock that's far more complicated to break into, just judging by how he can break basicly any lock. This guy's very talented
Hey LPL! Love your content and I've learned a lot about picking from your videos. One thing I have been curious about is what kind of locks you recommend for different situations. House locks, bike locks, shed, security boxes, etc. I would be very interested to PICK your brain on this and get some recommendations.
To comfort the guy sending this... 9/10 burglars won't be able to rake this lock still... they'll just smash your window or pull the cylinder all together...
depends on "how bad" the five locks are. If they are bypassable, it is very much possible, that it would take less time to open all five, than it would to open the one okayish lock.
Honestly, I'd go with the five bad locks, so long as they're not like "can open with bare hands" level of bad. Lots of visual deterrence, very annoying to deal with, takes a while even if each individual lock is quick. Kinda the same approach that's often recommended for locking bikes, it's hard to get a bike lock that's both portable and can't be defeated in ~30 seconds with bolt cutters or an angle grinder, but _two_ locks and suddenly you've doubled the amount of time and effort it'd take a thief to swipe your bike. The tradeoff of course is that it's also annoying for _you_ to deal with, and someone could argue that you'd be making the item you're locking up look more important, but imo the latter is debatable and the former only matters if you need to get into it regularly. That said, the price of even five bad locks might not be all that far off from a single "better than okayish" lock.
@@JiorujiDerako I was specifically referring to bypassable locks - so locks, that can be opened within 2-3 seconds. Everything over that means, that the five locks are definitely more deterrence than one okayish lock.
@@m.h.6470 Oh I was just replying to the original comment, I hadn't seen yours at the time so it wasn't directed at you ^^ Basically same, it depends on how bad is bad, though not to forget there'd be time spent simply going through from one lock to the next too. Even better if it's five bad but different locks, so the thief needs to tackle each one differently
I just bought an apartment in Barcelona and got my locks changed, and they're exactly this format. I was going to send you the old set but now there's no need to! We have a HUGE problem with Okupas, people who break into properties and if they can stay for 3 days they get squatters rights and are very hard to evict. I have an alarm system with video now too, I'm really worried about the security of my apartment...
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At this point lock manufacturers should just ship the lock with a tension tool+rake toolkit set in case you lose the key.
LMAO
based. the comment that broke the internet 💀
@@kenw8875 what?
Nah man. You wouldn't want free pack-in tools because they'd probably break and jam your lock.
@@kenw8875 Are you a nine year old?🙄🤦♂️🤡👎
"Our mission is to get into the base and through four high-security steel doors with the most advanced locks ever constructed. To get through the doors we are going to use this computerized AI lock opener that is the most advanced tool ever constructed."
"Forget it -I use the rake."
Or a breaching charge if you're not in stealth mode :D
"Man, we spent 10 million on that thing!"
How about a strong magnet?
"Yeah, he had them open by the time you said 'high-security, but he didn't want to interrupt."
The service door was closed with a Master Lock.
Wow, those are very popular locks in Europe. I would have expected picking, but not raking. Especially from a company like that.
It certainly depends on the bitting of the individual lock.
These locks are literally on all three doors of my house. 😨
@@HingerlAloisthat’s what I was thinking. It is definitely worth knowing if there is an issue with either design or manufacturing where a lot of them are susceptible to that, but that is not necessarily the case. Problem is that doing such a test would be very difficult/costly/time consuming :-/
@@WelgeldiguniekaliasTime to replace them with Abloys.
@@kutter_ttl6786Replace them with Avocet ABS. That's what I installed on the house when I moved in, and that was before I found LPL. I was over the moon when I found the 16 minute picking video for them.
This video actually solidified the "once more so you can see it's not a fluke" part. If you had swapped around the two raking attempts in this video I would have given the lock the benefit of the doubt because of how short it usually takes. But because we started with the long one and ended with the quick one, it really hit home how one quick rake doesn't tell you the whole story.
Need a maze with doors, gates, strong boxes, safes, lockout devices, etc etc as a challenge to see what locksmith can get through everything the fastest.
The humour is good, but the situation... not that much. I do understand why Texas allows guns for people. Having a good steel door seems to make sense for zombie attacks only(unless LPL gets bitten and at some point you would hear that good old "...got a...braaaains... click out of 1").
@TheDeadStyx what the actual fuck are you talking about chief
@@TheDeadStyx Some might say the American-esque philosophy is: the fence, latches, locks, and other things are simply to delay long enough for the property owner to retrieve a more direct solution. Works for zombies too I suppose!
But yeah, when you don't reside somewhere like that, you hope to delay intruders long enough for the police to arrive, assuming there was time to call them in the first place.
@@tafdiz most robbers don't kick doors down, they'd just go for a window...
The old joke is a safe that's unopenable due to the final pin being fused shut and a small cardboard box beside it with your valuables in it
You took "remove my address" quite literally. Nice to see your security tendencies are consistent!
Must be an excellent lock, the rake took longer than it normally does 🙂
second rake doesnt exist he cant hurt you
second rake:
Denial
@@alegian7934First time must've been a fluke.
second rake was a fluke, evidently.
I have one of those locks on my front door. I raked it in 2 minutes. Need a new one now. Thanks LPL.
Use it as a distraction and beef the rest of the door
So which one are you going to buy? One that takes him 5 more second by picking it?
It would be very helpful if you could explain *why* you’re using a certain tool for each lock you open. Like why *that* rake and why *that* size tension tool? Remember that few of your viewers are expert locksmiths.
I'm guessing it's because those are the ones that physically fit in the lock.
I assume he tried it before: the rake works only with weak locks, the tool for individual pins works on nearly all locks. There are some decoder tools if you not only want to open the lock but want to make a key for it. The decoder is the most advanced method and some decoders come with a fiber camera (about 2000$). You usually start with a rake as it's the fastest method and the problem is the right tension on the lock. There are some custom locks with nearly zero tolerances for safes and banks, but you'll only get 1-2 keys, and it's impossible to get a replacement key (each pin is custom fitted in each pinhole with 1/1000mm tolerance). But you can't pick all 6 pin's at the same time. Now they moved to electronic locks with 2048 Bit asymmetric signatures.
Yes. But what I want to know is why LPL used *that* rake instead of a different rake. I want him to go into details about it, like are its peaks and valleys better spaced for this particular lock or what the logic is for his decision to use it. Even if it’s just “I think I’ll use… this one today because I feel like it.”
@@losttownstreet3409 Someone with some skill could pretty much make an app that all you would have to do is put the camera up to the lock and it would tell you what to do. If its a pad lock a face photo plus key way would help it and it could decide. If it does not know someone in the community who has a lock and key could add it to the list.
It would not be hard to make something like this. Would help a lot of locksmiths. Oh wait never mind, many locksmiths here are drill and replace or cut the lock. They would never just pick it because they do not make any money.
Either way the app would work quite well as it could also tell you the exact lishi tool to use too. I could not find a master list of it online. So just enter your model in the car and you could pull up the right tool and then use said tool. The same with any locks they have lishi tools for them as well.
It's a great question.
Eurocylinders like the one in the video are commonplace here in the UK (and I guess the rest of Europe), they're in the vast majority of modern house doors. They're awkward to pick with 'regular' picks because Euro keyways tend to be considerably narrower than US ones, I had to get a specific slimline set.
How you'd choose [blah] tension wrench over another though I have no clue, and despite being a country that took to metric like a duck to custard "thousandths" are meaningless here. LPL might as well be saying "I'll take this 17 butterfly-wings turner" for the relevance it has.
Roland: Please remove my address 😄 Thank you!
LPL: 👍
Nice
The only way to make 100% sure that it's really not visible on camera is to physically remove it. Nice opsec by LPL.
Blurred out or pixelated text can be reconstructed, blacking out sometimes doesn't work because of different reflectiveness of the pen vs. the printout.
@@anlumo1 Agreed. I was pleasantly surprised by LPL's forethought here!
A fluke is one of the most common fish in the sea. So if you go fishing for a fluke, you just might get it
This man spending at least 8 years in this field makes me believe he could survive SAW scenario by lockpicking exits
There was a parody video somewhere on YT. You can find it easily.
Jigsaw: "I'd like to play a game."
LPL: "Click out of 1..."
Jigsaw: "Wait, that's illegal."
There's a scene in the Steve Carell show "The Patient" where he fails picking a master lock with a plastic fork, I'd still love to see the LPL give it a go
@@Ajko89 was made by Hoot, aka the guy with the GMod animations for stuff like inflating BIG magazine, medium suppressor, BIG grenade LAUNCHER, BIG GRIP, BIG LASER, and STACC armor
He'll even lock the door again to pick it a second time and prove it wasn't a fluke. 😂
This was really baffling. I mean DOM is so proud of its locks, they're so expensive, and in the end you have something not far from worthless.
Darn, the lock to my flat/apartment is a DOM one.
Well, to be fair, a medium sized boot would get rid of the door anyway.
I think the video was just saying that a singular bad lock can happen with any manufacturer. This doesn't make DOM a bad manufacturer. An easy-to-defeat lock can come from anywhere, even from the best companies. Sure, if you buy from Master Lock it's almost guaranteed, but every lock sold from anywhere has a non-zero chance of being a lemon, just because locksmithing is not and can never be perfect.
The bitting is generally random, and you need either a good variance in the height of the pins OR you need to be using a couple of steel springs along with the copper ones to actually stop raking. I'm not sure if serrated or spool pins provide more raking resistance on average, but my intuition is that serrated pins would do better but since spools are generally considered "better" for pick resistance I'd bet that that particular lock only had spools with a single standard pin (the one standard pin is to make sure the lock doesn't START in a false set). Long story short, at random some locks will be rakeable unless the company goes to more extreme measures to prevent it.
@@Formedras He _specifically_ says that the lock has several security pins, which usually prevent raking. It was, indeed, a fluke. Just not for teh raking - but for the particular lock, which is for some reason vulnerable to something it shouldn't be
" I mean DOM is so proud of its locks, they're so expensive" It is in the end German company so even when they gonna produce crap they will be braging about it and ofc they gonna charge you premium for it...
It is kinda important to point that the whole "German engineering" slogan was invented by Germans themself and to be exact by VW, you know the company that was created by National Socialists and the first car that they "invented" were just a rip off of Czechoslovakian Tatra V570...the guy that did that(Ferdinand Porsche) ofc first renaunced his Czechoslovakian citizenship then he made a Czechoslovakian car the "Proud German peoples car"...
Anyone remembers how VW got a special engine mode for time when testing tool was conected to the car?
German that worked in Mercedens LoLed the idea that they were the only one because as he said everyone when new stuff is comming out from other German competition they take it a part and trying to learn every secret of it(and it is like tradition and they doing it asap).
Euro locks are standard here in Britain. They’re typically breached by lock snapping - if it sticks out then use a pipe or mole grips and snap it. If it doesn’t then put a screw in and snap with a claw hammer
Dear LPL
😱 OMG! Almost all people I know have this kind of locks on all their doors. That's a very embarrassing result for such a big company like DOM (and others too of course). And especially for each and every emergency locksmith who drills locks out to make a ton of money (and to sell new locks).
Thanks a lot for making teaching explaining recording editing uploading and sharing.
Best regards luck and health in particular.
How do you know which model of lock the people you know have?
Or do you think that all DOM locks are the same? You do realize that lock companies sell different locks?
@@Jehty21they put their name on a lock that can be raked open. Now you expect consumers to go out of their way to find the lock they make that isn't rakable? You have a lot to learn about consumers my friend
@@ATSaale name one lock company that doesn't sell a lock that is racke-able.
@@Jehty21PAC lock....
Also pretty sure kwikset can't be raked
this is especially bad because you can buy wave rakes cheaply, and they are super easy to use. So a low IQ criminal can easily use them, if they first fail with the crowbar (they always try the crowbar first).
Even worse wave rakes and tensioners can be disguised (unlike bump keys, maybe combs), so criminals can carry them without any worry.
A lock which needs actual picking, even without any security pins, is not pickable for the average criminal. So those are massively more secure than the ones which you can open with a wave rake (or a bump or comb).
Would be nice to do a deep dive or disassembly of this lock to see why a wave rake worked; if it's not the security pins, where is the vulnerability? Craftsmanship? Tolerances?
LPL seems to think there are no security pins in this lock as raking usually isn't doable if there are any. Likely just straight pins here.
In Europe it is also common to mount the lock upside down. I wonder if he had such success with raking if he wasn't holding it sideways?
I second it.
@@IrenicusFTWthe pins should all be under some tension from springs so orientation shouldn't matter.
My guess is tolerances and rounded edges for the holes. The security pins are expected to jam at wrong height. In this case they aren't jamming or they don't stay jammed but can be moved a bit further.
He was careful to not rake too hard to make them stuck past the correct height but allowing him to keep nudging them upwards until too much rounding of the pins makes them self-adjust the last bit from the tensioning tool.
Wow; the lock fought him for at least FIVE seconds!
Jokes on the burglar, even if you unlock my lock the door has shrunk and expanded so much that the deadbolt can't be undone!
Kind of like to see that disassembled! Is the problem that the security pins are low tolerances, bevelled or something? Got to be a reason raking worked so well.
Maybe his rake has sharper edges than most?
I think the bitting is more important for the rakeability than the presence of security pins.
BTW you're opening that lock from the inside side, is possible that the inside will be less secure than the outside side.
With the EURO lock cores try to always use the long side first, thanks ;-)
hmmm, but you don't want the long side to be sticking out of your door (the the whole thing can be just sawn /snapped off), do you?
I have the shorter side facing outside. Perhaps somebody with a different door size would have it the other way. I would guess both sides should be equally secure
@@panda4247 These cylinders can be gotten with any sort of length on either side, and obviously you pick a size that's appropriate for the door - you want it to be flush with the door (or with the protective lock plate). I had to use one of these (a 90mm/30mm) for a door which had some very thick decorative wood paneling on the outside. When taken in isolation it looked ridiculous, but when mounted it was flush with the paneling.
Normally these cylinders are specified/ordered with an 'internal' length and an 'external' length.
So it may really be possible to have different pick-resistance between both sides, even if it seems to me a useless complication of the fabrication process...
Very much so. As a kid I could unlock our front door from the inside with some material from a tin can, but I could not do that from the outside.
Unless there are two different keys, one for the outside, and a different one for the inside, the lock cylinders are identical. Picking either requires the same skill and effort.
these locks take 2,5 rotations to unlock the door so you have to pick them three times
Excellent advice.
Always a great video thanks for sharing
to have rusty pins looks like good security addition to these locks
I managed to get into a till drawer at work recently after the drawer got stuck and the key was lost. Rather than waiting until the next day for the technician to come out, I tried raking it with a little key on my house key set, and managed to get the whole lock mechanism to pop out, so I just turned it open with a flat screwdriver and pushed the lock back into the housing afterwards. Sometimes the simple solutions work.
sad that, just lift the drawer and reach under, there is a manual release notch/hole in the bottom near the back on most till drawers.
If the whole lock mechanism came out then you either managed to rake whats known as 'control' or most likely, someone else forced the lock before and its retaining clip is missing. That drawer isnt secure.
Wow! It needed some serious raking the first time around.
Shame you didn't disassemble it to show that indeed it has security pins.
That riv pick is a pretty neat little thing, addresses a lot of the issues you get with other jackknife lock picks.
"scrubbing over the pins" could be a motto
Could you please try to pick the Dom Diamant Cylinder, too? It used to be the best and most secure product made by Dom.
Great video and very informative
Nooo, not the rake!
"I'm a master of unlocking."
*Rubs a wavy piece of metal inside the lock.*
As soon as the wave take comes out I know it’s a good one
Most criminals dont bother to pick. They just snap the locks
"yes i'd like to return my lock for a new one"
"whats wrong with this one...? it appears perfectly fine"
"oh it didn't pass the LPL test."
I just got the Genesis set for my birthday and it's very cool. I got the fng as well and am working on the practice lock. Thanks for turning me onto a possibly very entertaining hobby. 👍
Holy smokes. Someone that actually recommends you DO pick a lock before using it. Very refreshing to see.
Fantastic video!😸
I think trying to pick that security card would have given friend LPL a few issues 😉
Interesting thanks for sharing.
I’m a contractor, I had a customer ask me the other day “what do you think the most secure lock is?”
Me “my opinion? …. They’re all a fallacy. From what I’ve seen it doesn’t matter what you get. A professional that wants in will get right through any lock.”
LPL. Thank you for teaching me a lesson on keyed locks.
Watching this vid, I had the thought that no lock is perfect. You just have to make the lock bothersome enough to pick that most people give up first.
Ya know when LPL brings out a rake its game over.
Good advice 👍
The place I live in had one of these when I first moved in around a year ago. I immediately changed it for one the better locks tested on this channel.
A lot of locks have a quality that makes them easy to pick on.
oh that is the spiritual season of lockpicking
"If I encounter one in the field" makes it sound like he just goes door to door at nights doing... surprise visits
huge kudos to LPL for physically removing the Roland address from the letter, just like he asked
With pin tumblers you always want at least one MAC on the bitting near the front to foil raking attacks. Spools and serrated pins- the most common security pins- can sometimes be raked as you saw here.
Please add a video installing the Rev-pick into the covert companion with the expansion kit installed.
I'd love to see a video explaining the process of finding the quickest way to open a lock without any prior knowledge of its potential flaws. Like what is the order of operations that he uses?
also the metal piece next to the black plastic turning piece is a weak point.. so you remove the shroud from around the key area, which is usually the handle piece, then with a pair of pliers or grips you can snap the entire cylinder in half and then just insert an allen key into to hole where the lock once was and turn to unlock the door. once open you can remove the rest of cylinder and replace with a new lock.. this is only advised if it is an emergency situation to gain access to someone in need of medical treatment where limited tools are available.
When the LPL has a little bit of alone time with the Mrs. He's been known to say "let's try that again just to make sure that wasn't a fluke", as Wayne and Garth would say "that's what she said".
I think we are not happy if LPL is visiting us in the Europe…😂
Regards from Belgium
I've installed hundreds of these in vinyl replacement French door units, I've never seen them anywhere else.
Thank you for your videos! I work in maintenance and we sometimes need to get locks off of things without the key... I've picked 5+ locks with raking and zero skill, it's kind of insane how easy it is. These are mostly master locks, but also any kind of drawer, time clock, etc are all very low security locks.
If you look at the key, it's pretty flat. So the pins are all more or less of the same size. When I buy a lock I always select the one with the most peaks and valleys...
I feel like leaving the card with "Sicherheit, Qualitat" in the middle of the screen was a subtle troll.
Would love to see more Eurocylinders. Because those are the ones I get to use :)
Agree. I'd be interested to see how long a Kaba Star would resist. As the Kaba 20 did take over LPL's average picking time
You don't really need to pick a Eurocylinder you can snap it in 5 seconds. See the hole in the body? Look how thin the metal is on either side of it. Get some grips/wrench on the end, wiggle from side to side for 5 seconds and it's snapped. This one has sections at the end which break off instead and are supposed to make it more secure but I don't know if they do.
@@yann664 Snapping is not really a thing. They are usually mounted flat without anything to grab on to. The UK had cases in the past where you'd remove the protection around the lock and then snap it. This is why more secure locks have snap protection like the one in this video (the gaps).
0:16 I love your confidence 😊
Always have to chuckle when I come across these in the Nehtherlands, 'dom' being the dutch word for 'dumb'
You have changed my life, headed deep into the picking rabbit hole, for security reasons only. Thank you
"Not a fluke!"
All I can say is thank God I have an Avocet ABS on my front door. You'd have a job raking that open.
Thank you. Good advice, pick one's own locks to be sure they did not get a dud.
In europe that's a service the cops sometimes deliver. We came home one day to find the area around the lock on the backdoor all scratched up. So we called the cops. So they said "yeah, that was us. We thought your lock was insecure because it was proud of the face plate, but we couldn't force it ..." They also tended to preventively steal whole bike racks at the railway station so you had to walk to the police station to get your bicycle back... real fun. @.@
Have three doors on your house, bolt two of them.
I was surprised that was a 2 minute lock
I like to imagine LPL has a plain ol KW1 on his front door lmao
As many locks fail in the hands of LPL, I'm convinced all you need is the old fashioned mechanical dial combination lock. But I bet LPL could open those too.
What a shocker.... a Dom as well.
Every locked that you've ever picked are never meant to keep the hardened criminal out. These locks are mean to keep honest people honest.
I wouldn't mind getting a little lucky when picking,
...giggady
Dom Sigma to the LPL - No Mas, No Mas!
I also have a DOM lock, but it has pins on all 4 sides of the key and some moving balls in the key. I feel very safe
the "Greetings from Germany" meme is strong in that letter.
I think this guy should design a lock that's far more complicated to break into, just judging by how he can break basicly any lock. This guy's very talented
Time to change my front door lock 😊
If you ever see anything that labels itself sigma dom, run.
When I see a rake I gasp
"When I find these in the wild" are you going around picking random locks lmao
Hey LPL! Love your content and I've learned a lot about picking from your videos. One thing I have been curious about is what kind of locks you recommend for different situations. House locks, bike locks, shed, security boxes, etc. I would be very interested to PICK your brain on this and get some recommendations.
I 100% expected sigma male dom jokes
"dom sigma raked" sounds like a title you'd see on a certain other video website
You know it's going to be ugly when the wave rake comes out. 4 seconds on the 2nd try.
To comfort the guy sending this... 9/10 burglars won't be able to rake this lock still... they'll just smash your window or pull the cylinder all together...
How's five bad locks all locking the same thing compare to one okayish lock?
depends on "how bad" the five locks are. If they are bypassable, it is very much possible, that it would take less time to open all five, than it would to open the one okayish lock.
Honestly, I'd go with the five bad locks, so long as they're not like "can open with bare hands" level of bad. Lots of visual deterrence, very annoying to deal with, takes a while even if each individual lock is quick. Kinda the same approach that's often recommended for locking bikes, it's hard to get a bike lock that's both portable and can't be defeated in ~30 seconds with bolt cutters or an angle grinder, but _two_ locks and suddenly you've doubled the amount of time and effort it'd take a thief to swipe your bike.
The tradeoff of course is that it's also annoying for _you_ to deal with, and someone could argue that you'd be making the item you're locking up look more important, but imo the latter is debatable and the former only matters if you need to get into it regularly. That said, the price of even five bad locks might not be all that far off from a single "better than okayish" lock.
@@JiorujiDerako I was specifically referring to bypassable locks - so locks, that can be opened within 2-3 seconds. Everything over that means, that the five locks are definitely more deterrence than one okayish lock.
@@m.h.6470 Oh I was just replying to the original comment, I hadn't seen yours at the time so it wasn't directed at you ^^ Basically same, it depends on how bad is bad, though not to forget there'd be time spent simply going through from one lock to the next too. Even better if it's five bad but different locks, so the thief needs to tackle each one differently
I guess you could say a lock is the _difference_ of its parts, since any weak component will reduce security.
So basically, a lock is something to keep out people who don't want to enter your house? There is NO way I'm showing this video to my wife!
Must have been one heck of a thick door by the length of that Euro profile cylinder. Don't think anyone would break down the door !!!
This is pretty normal for a front door. Ours are much more massive in comparison.
So what makes a lock with “security pins” susceptible to a raking attack like this?
Heck, just call Liberty to get the extra key or backdoor password!
Crazy how Thorndike's law of effect applies without even trying
It's never a fluke
Like and enjoy 👍🍀👍
Greetings from Germany 👍🍀👍
If it took LPL longer than 2 seconds to rake it, it would probably take me so long I'd wear out the rake.
I just bought an apartment in Barcelona and got my locks changed, and they're exactly this format. I was going to send you the old set but now there's no need to! We have a HUGE problem with Okupas, people who break into properties and if they can stay for 3 days they get squatters rights and are very hard to evict. I have an alarm system with video now too, I'm really worried about the security of my apartment...
Anytime a rake is involved you know the lock is crap.
Security is never the sum of all parts. It's usually the min.
POST MALONE turned me on to this channel on JRE. …he wasn’t wrong
Yeah, I get to have a 'fluke' shot!
Still better than a masterlock