Banning him is a bit too much. He just cant have 8 copies of the same card (Gordon, Raise Max) when the other decks only have 4 copies of a card. At this point they should reprint Black Maria and make it be exclusive to Animal Pirates and either ban Gordon completely to limit it to 1.
I'd be willing to let them try errata/banning other cards first to see if it helps, but I just have a feeling he's crossed this line of being manageable and will utlimately get banned in order to save the future meta and player satisfaction of the game.
Of course, thx for making those charts! Ohhhh, that's right! I didn't realize that was that tournament XD That's my bad for not realizing that lol, sorry to all the PH players out there T_T
Had a conversation with my friends the other day about this, and on paper he should be incredibly inconsistent. But since he can run 8 copies of gordon, 4x kid blocker and pudding (same role in improving don efficiency) with black maria on top of that, he has so many different cards he can draw that effectively serve the same purpose.
Yeah at this point it's like he has his own search engine in how many cards he draws. He is less consistent than Sakazuki, but he's more powerful overall IMO, so it evens out (or Law is even just slightly better)
I've always thought that Law was poorly designed, he does too much for too little since the start only losing don (for purple, not a big deal), but also, his ability doesn't make sense for his colors, only blue bottom deck stuff aside of him. Adding Black Maria is too much not becuase of what allows him to do (that takes all the risk and reward of the game that had left), but because Maria is a card extremely broken too. 3 cost is not enough for a big removal, but is high enough to avoid the small ones, 2k counter means that even if you don't play her you have a strong card in hand, and her ability doesn't even risk her by resting her. she does too much without any danger. She should had been leader locked, but even with that she at least should have to be rested to use her ability
yeah, i also always thought it was weird that only Law got this leader effect that was completely untraditional from his colors. And ur right, there are so many things they should have added onto or taken away from Maria to limit her efficiency, it's just crazy lol
Black (Lucci, really...) is one of the only decks that have a shot against Law. But at the highest level right now, we're seeing that it's still not enough. If Lucci was a little more consistent or could search stage, I think it'd be closer to a 50-50 MU or slightly favored for Lucci in OP8, but then Lucci would also be busted, so...
Thanks for the video! My take is either Ban Law and do the Saka thing and give us a less strong version. Either make it cost -4 Don or require a target should fix it. The other option is to ban Black Maria and Gordon (Pricier one) to limit his reduction effects and free activations. If they have to run Otama, their mirror match is much worse. My main though about Law is that it's like Saka or Nami. So good at what it does it means you can't print anything that the deck would play or it just goes in and makes the deck better. Law possibly being the worst for this since any Red or Purple cards of costs 4 or less have to be designed to not be better than anything currently in the deck. Also, makes power reduction effects harder to design. Ect. Ect. More than anything, if Bandai does do something I hope it's synched between east and west and we don't have 3 extra months with the stuff.
thanks for watching : ) Yeah I agree, the problem with not banning the leader is that he's just a ticking time bomb and then they have to design less powerful cards treading around his leader ability, which can hurt the game as a whole. Red's already a color that has been dying for the past 2-3 sets and they could use some help lol. But Law would just take advantage of that most likely. And yeah I hope they sync the bans this time. I wanna see what that would look like.
A few options to out law in check : 1.choice restrict black maria and reiju with Leader law so they can't be played together in the same deck Thus nerfing the consistency and don ramping. 2. Limit maria and Kidd blocker to 1 to hit don ramping consistency 3. Choice restrict Gordon and max
those could work I think if they dont ban leader, Maria cannot be playable in Law, and they should ban Gordon so they only have access to 4 of the gordon/max combo and it's the cheaper card so ppl wont have to spend money on gordons
Either ban law, or give him the sakazuki treatment, nerf him. His ability is too much, don manipulation, power manipulation and bottom decking, hes essentially 3 colors. What they can do is either force him to bottom deck in order to play a card (prevents him from spamming board). Or allow him to spam board without effecting the other player’s board.
other ppl have suggested the forcing him to btm deck in order to use ability and I actually like that workaround. It might still be too strong but it has a shot at working
I've always been outspoken against jumping to ban cards. I was probably one of the loudest people against banning Sakazuki originally. But Law genuinely feels to me to be even more oppressive than Sakazuki ever was and I can't defend keeping him around. He HEAVILY restricts future card designs and wraps the entire game around him. People keep talking about banning Black Maria, Gordon/Raise Max, Pudding, etc... but instead of banning/restricting half a dozen other cards (cards that are NEEDED in most any other purple leader just to be viable, like Black Maria), if they all share a single common denominator that makes them feel broken (i.e. Law), then it makes FAR more sense to just ban the leader... Banning is such a slippery slope and I really, really don't want Bandai to ever get too ban-happy, but I personally will make an exception for banning Law. And honestly, it really saddens me too as Law is one of my favorite characters and I don't want to see this deck go as his other leader card struggles in the meta (although maybe it just needs to be revisited 🤔)...
I pretty heavily agree with this. The problem with banning a bunch of non-leader cards is it detracts from all the other players who would have used them and can hurt the community more than just banning a single leader. IMO, this is just a failure on Bandai's part for not having the incredibly small amount of foresight it took to notice Black Maria was broken lol. On top of the small buffs they slowly gave Law over the past few sets and Gordon/Raise Max situation. They need to do better about realizing such obvious things like this and then hopefully they won't have to ban another leader for a while.
In my opinion, it should get an errata. It must be mandatory to return an opposite character in order to activate his ability (I think this is the biggest problem). And the activation cost has to be 4 dons. In a gameplay where you get 2 dons every turn and Law being purple makes it relatively simple to recover from the don's loses.
I actually kinda like the idea of him needing a target to use his effect, but that might make leaders like Yamato impossible for him haha (which I wouldn't mind...) 4 don might be too much, but that could be another workaround
Other than the fact that they have shown historically they don't like doing full on Erratas for those kinds of changes, I agree the cost needs to go up and/or the threshold of power an opponent's character needs to be should go down. But if they're going to do anything at all, they only thing I can imagine is going the route of Sakazuki and banning this leader while simultaneously releasing a promo version of the new "errata'ed" leader with a much more balanced effect.
@@FudelioTCG I think having him returning a character is the best way fix this leader. A lot of games where you manage to control him are simply won by law because he can play a Kid and Killer or a rush Zoro for the final blow practically at no cost. If Bandai forces him to have a target to activate his ability automatically makes him less dominant.
I think if the deck should be hit, one of the first hits should be Shachi and Penguin to 0. Its a cheap card that doesnt affect almost any other deck. It's one of the best cards in the deck and every list runs 4
It would be a good card to hit bcus of that, but definitely that alone is not enough. No one else really uses Gordon/Raise Max, so if they leader lock Maria, and hit Max/Gordon and ShachiPen then maybe...maybe it would be at least "more fair"?
I’ve always hated the Law card but with G/P Doffy birdcage I normally don’t have any issues with him, but like another comment was saying he does a lot and has no negative since he can ramp up easily.
there are answers to Law like Doffy (blue and GP) and Yamato, etc, but yeah I think he's just too good into every leader in general that he might need to go.
If Bandai was brave enough, I think they should just make a ruling that she can't be played in RP Law and do a full errata later on if necessary. I'm not sure about the logistics of that though T_T
I really don't know .. removal on a leader is broken ? Go tell Black Saka .. tell it Kyros .. thats not the problem . Its the support .. If Kyros gets another Ice Age Card .. its broken ...now ..nobody plays him .. They have to think about the supp and limitations ..instead of banning an leader .. The only thing thats nonsense is.. he bottom decks. . its blue thing .. let Law Ko or Rest .. its ok And ban Gordon an Maria
KO and bottom decking are too completely different things, though. That's why he's so much better than something like Saka or Kyros if Law's effect was KO, then there would be way more workarounds and he wouldn't be nearly as strong.
yeah, I know there are a few trouble cards they could tackle first before banning the leader, but he's just so strong no matter what, I'm worried he'll be too good with any kind of support in the future
If they go down the banning law route rather than Black Maria and Gordon do u think the east and west will sync the ban or are us in the west gonna have to live with an over tuned leader when we get to OP08?
Law needs to be banned flat out. It would be unfair to ban the characters that make him strong because other decks would essentially suffer for R/P Law's sins in a way. The truth is, Law just has easy to use and unfair mechanics. No deck should be able to remove while countering Black's trash mechanics, throw out rushers for free, run 8 of the same card for 1 don removal. run several amazing blockers (Shuraiya, Sanji, Kidd, Queen, and Killer), while having a lot of 2k counters, while also having access to Reiju and Queen to reset his hand, while also having Black Maria to patch up his 1 weakness. Let that sink in, in OP08 R/P Law can get up to 10 don which means he can swing a 6k leader, 2 kid and killers, throw 1 gordon/max to remove a blocker (or throw down 2 to lower another blocker instead of swinging 6k), and then -don to throw out another kid and killer for another 7k swing or throw out a sanji/shuraiya blocker and turtle. Then you proc Maria to get your don back. If you argue against banning this then you're the issue.
Law wasn’t this good until recently..and you’re mad because of removal of a board piece with at least 3k? Law wouldn’t normally be able to take down say a 6K blocker but now it’s broken because of cards like raise max and Gordon! It’s absurd you’re allowed four copies of each. Leaders shouldn’t suffer a ban because of support they get! If saka wasn’t banned in the East I bet they would be contending for best deck. Sorry folks it’s intended and designed to sell product decks will continue to evolve 🙄
@@joestar222 That's exactly why a leader should get banned. It is the mixture of support and the ability that makes it ban worthy. Yes running 4 Gordon and Raise Max is dumb since they are the same card but it would be even more dumb to allow 8 copies of gordon/max in other decks and not in R/P Law specifically. The easiest thing to do is just ban the deck and just because a deck gets banned doesn't mean it can't be unbanned down the line, it just needs to be banned for now until the other colors catch up. If you're mad about it then complain to bandai about making better cards for Blue and Red because Green, Yellow, Black, and Purple are thriving in the OP08 metagame.
Yeah, that is kinda why they ban leaders though, to help the game progress and so ppl don't get discouraged to play it knowing they cant use their favorite leaders/characters.
If they just keep banning leaders, would we start seeing decline in interest? Thought the banning of Saka would help bring up more diverse decks and leaders but from the looks of it the meta is in the same state
Possibly. That's why I wouldn't mind Bandai trying to balance things out for Law before banning him, but it's going to be hard because of the hole they dug for themselves. Saka being banned did bring about a lot of good change though, and for all of OP7, it was a pretty diverse meta. OP8 is where it's become really bad
Don't worry, people are cooking(myself included), so there's hope. but Bandai just didn't do any of us favors by making Law even stronger in OP8. Plus Lucci is an unfortunate secondary gatekeeper, it's a really weird situation atm.
@@FudelioTCG Lucci feels very inconsistent. You get bricked too easily or you just dont hit ennies lobby early and things just don't go your way from there. ST04 Purple Kaido can also counter you by just letting you set up your board and then wipping them out with 10c kaido if you don't have a sabo in hand. Too many variables makes Lucci either feel decent or too strong. yes there are times where Lucci has full control with his tempo but OP08 released a lot of strategies for going wide with Kalgara, Moria, and Drum Kingdom/Chopper spam, as well as R/P Law, not to mention the new 9 Big Mom that can disrupt your blockers. Lucci is fine honestly and still is up there but definitely can have really bad matchups with other top tier decks and Yamato can just use Hordy for a final push if you cant consistently stop her swings. Hell even Blue Doffy presses Lucci by going wide with 7 warlords and Raging Tiger Gravity Blading your blockers away or your bigger and more important cards if you haven't gotten a chance to set up a defensive plan.
Lucci can struggle with incosistency from trashing off deck, but I think he's still powerful enough to keep down a lot of other decks. 5 life Black is strongly favored against Yamato, and yeah decks like blue doffy have a small shot but they basically have to high roll to stand a chance. Kalgara is good and I like him a lot, but it's all still an uphill battle. Lucci is currently one of the only other top tier decks that can stand up to RP Law, so that's also why he's the "secondary gatekeeper" Other decks that can stand up to Law aren't as good into other top tier decks like Lucci and BY Luffy, that's why there's a weird power struggle atm and you're seeing rogue blue decks make it to top 4~16
@@FudelioTCG Yea that is true. Kalgara has potential but it is heavily reliant on hitting Noland consistently to heal itself. TL;DR Red needs to get something more.
i believe that you are right about bandai banning law leader eventualy, but also i feel kind cheated...i will explain why: law as leader is not broken..none said he was broken when he came out...everyone said sakazuki was broken because of his consistency....what makes law kinda broken is his support..cards like reiju, killer, black maria made the deck exremely powerful. ....they could ban some of those cards but at some point they would print sthing else very good for this deck and then here we go again...so instead of banning every red/purple good 4drop card, they just gonna ban the leader....the thing is that there are already cards that oppress the rp law, especially black decks..i have lost many matches against black just because they always have moria, a super broken card that none dares to admit it was wrong to ever printed...also we have yellow...enel is way too broken for a leader...triggers aside which are very annoying, yellow is able to take back tons of life and with enel that kind of abuse is extremely powerful...i dont see anyone badmouths him though...at the beggining of op08 i played sim and law was unbeatable...thats not the case anymore...the meta adapted and now i lose at least1 third of the matches...that never happened with sakazuki...until his ban, he was the king of the game...even now rp law doesnt have that consistency...so why people ask for his ban and why i feel cheated? because everyone suddenly want to play it since its ''broken'' but its a very expensive deck so the easiest thing to do is bitching about that...i paid a good amount of money in order to have this deck since op05 where it was just a fun deck, and now im gonna get punished because bandai didnt leader lock some cards...im really sad about the whole thing..shame
so i get what you're saying, and i agree that technically Sakazuki was more consistent bcus of his leader effect and having multiple searchers (for some reason...) but Law's leader ability is borderline broken and he just needed a bit of support to really get him to a point where he is BDIF. I know ppl can adapt and learn to beat the BDIF in OPTCG, but we're seeing nothing but RP Law winning at the highest level all across Asia atm, so I'm going to defer to that over anecdotal evidence or even locals, etc. I know ppl love the leader and spent months of time and money building the deck, but it's Bandai's fault for putting ppl like you in this situation in the first place, so they should be held responsible for that and do better to notice when a card as busted as Black Maria is going to be too good for a deck that was already considered BDIF in OP7...
Isn't easier to just ban black Maria? I play Law, but personally it's hard to be consistent against meta decks like Enel, BY Luffy and black in general
banning Maria alone probably wouldn't be enough. Law can lose to his slight incosistency and lack of searchers but overall he's just too OP and ppl playing him at the highest level can make it work against any top tier leader.
@@FudelioTCG I think I understand the point from the highest competitive level view, I see it differently because first I have been playing for only 2 months and got my Law deck 2 weeks ago so I'm still figuring out what to do (Law is not for beginners, please don't make same mistakes hahaha) , also the scene on my country is small af, if we want to go to a regional we need to travel to another country, the biggest tournament I remember is a 48 people tournament 2 weeks ago, and locals usually go from 8 to 12 people
@@jpag92 Yeah I feel you. And yeah, Im not a top level Law player or anything myself so I just look at what the players at the CS tournaments are doing and base it off of that : ) I hope you can get more locals and bigger tournaments in your area though!
I personally feel like the problem is less to do with the cost in Don!! (there will always be ways around that for purple), but rather the threshold for what he can bottom deck should be lower IMHO, like 2k, 1k, or hell I even think 0k would be acceptable and very achievable for this leader while making it far more balanced. 3k is just such a VERY easy power to get characters down to...
Anyone who thinks law should be banned has never seriously played a tcg. They'll just cry about the next deck that's good. If anything is an issue it's black maria, not law
Law was still BDIF in OP7 before Maria. I'm all for them trying to balance him in other ways first, but it's clear that any red or purple card that will buff him could immediately put him back in tier 0 territory. And it's not ppl crying about a leader, it's noticing that he's gained too much efficiency and wanting them to change something about it. Ofc it'll happen with the next leader that gets too strong, but that's the way it goes.
@@FudelioTCG these results were not like this before maria. Was law good? Yea, bdif? No it lost to lucci same way it lost to Saka. Black maria is the problem card obviously
I think the problem is Black Maria making leader eff basically free and even rewarding with more don after. The leader actually took 4 sets to get broken unlike Saka which was at the top from the very beginning
This is only because Bandai refused to print any good generic red support in 04, 05, and 06. The leader effect was ALWAYS the problem because removal on leader is too efficient and limits future card design
You cant blame new powerfull cards making law broken. That way you can never design good cards because X leader abuse them. Meaning we come to a point bandai needs to keep RP law in mind every time you create purple or red cards.
i do kinda think that the real problem is Law himself and that getting rid of Maria would only postpone Law beoming broken again. Saka had all the tools he needed from the start, so it's not as much of a fair comparison, and we saw what happened when he got Tashigi, Moria, etc
@@JeffDarkspawn i see that’s a better argument, but I think even being one of the strongest decks in op07 it wasn’t as problematic as in op08 even though it had most of the resources he needed (card draw, power reducing, don ramping and counter power). Even in EB01 I’ve been able to shambles for free but i needed specific cards simultaneously to do so, and BM does that by herself. I think even blue croc would be powerful if he could don-4 and then don+5. I see being a problem potentially limiting 4 costs from red and purple colors, but what else could it potentially use that he doesn’t already have acces to?
At this point I'm also clueless about what's going to happen. But banning a leader is crazy. I think bandi made a card without thinking about how broken it could be for a leader though
not gonna argue with you on that one XD I have no idea what they were thinking with Black Maria. Whatever happens, it's gonna be interesting and hopefully shakes things up, though.
I dont understand why people worrying about law when yellow is just better in every way. They have cards and lottery themselves into a deck full of triggers and those triggers literally steal the game away even if you play properly. Deal with yellow first then we can reexamine law
How is yellow better in every way? Enel had a good run at the start of OP7 but has been almost non-existent in these CSs and big tournaments for OP8 cus Lucci and Law are better. There's no way you can look at the data and tell me yellow is more broken than Law atm
@@FudelioTCG i guess i need to wait and see how it plays in 07 and 08 as those are not quite in america yet but right now i am always losing consistent games to enel triggering 0 cost into bege or just bege to lose me the game no matter how well i play into it.
Yah trust me, I get it how Enel/yellow can be annoying. I like Enel leader but when I lose to a bege trigger playing against him I wanna jump out a window lol. And yeah, I'm speaking mostly for OP7 and OP8 here, so just wait a little while and hopefully you'll see it's not as bad.
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Banning him is a bit too much. He just cant have 8 copies of the same card (Gordon, Raise Max) when the other decks only have 4 copies of a card. At this point they should reprint Black Maria and make it be exclusive to Animal Pirates and either ban Gordon completely to limit it to 1.
I'd be willing to let them try errata/banning other cards first to see if it helps, but I just have a feeling he's crossed this line of being manageable and will utlimately get banned in order to save the future meta and player satisfaction of the game.
They won't touch Black Maria, just like they didn't touch 8c moria
Thanks for the shoutout!
PH GAO haven’t concluded yet. Top 16 will happen at the end of this month. Their top cut got postponed 🤣
Of course, thx for making those charts!
Ohhhh, that's right! I didn't realize that was that tournament XD
That's my bad for not realizing that lol, sorry to all the PH players out there T_T
They could make his ability don -5 or something. Then it’s more of a power play that Law can do, but it happens a lot less often.
I don’t like that idea. -5 is a steep price. R/p law will become the new R/G luffy. Great ability but the price is to high in this fast meta
-5 might be too much, but i agree that there are possible solutions they could do to make him more balanced
Had a conversation with my friends the other day about this, and on paper he should be incredibly inconsistent. But since he can run 8 copies of gordon, 4x kid blocker and pudding (same role in improving don efficiency) with black maria on top of that, he has so many different cards he can draw that effectively serve the same purpose.
Yeah at this point it's like he has his own search engine in how many cards he draws.
He is less consistent than Sakazuki, but he's more powerful overall IMO, so it evens out (or Law is even just slightly better)
I've always thought that Law was poorly designed, he does too much for too little since the start only losing don (for purple, not a big deal), but also, his ability doesn't make sense for his colors, only blue bottom deck stuff aside of him. Adding Black Maria is too much not becuase of what allows him to do (that takes all the risk and reward of the game that had left), but because Maria is a card extremely broken too. 3 cost is not enough for a big removal, but is high enough to avoid the small ones, 2k counter means that even if you don't play her you have a strong card in hand, and her ability doesn't even risk her by resting her. she does too much without any danger. She should had been leader locked, but even with that she at least should have to be rested to use her ability
yeah, i also always thought it was weird that only Law got this leader effect that was completely untraditional from his colors.
And ur right, there are so many things they should have added onto or taken away from Maria to limit her efficiency, it's just crazy lol
Purple does everything.
Maybe it’s just cause I like playing black, but I’ve never had issues with law. I’m able to remove his bodies as fast as he can play them.
Black (Lucci, really...) is one of the only decks that have a shot against Law. But at the highest level right now, we're seeing that it's still not enough. If Lucci was a little more consistent or could search stage, I think it'd be closer to a 50-50 MU or slightly favored for Lucci in OP8, but then Lucci would also be busted, so...
Thanks for the video!
My take is either Ban Law and do the Saka thing and give us a less strong version. Either make it cost -4 Don or require a target should fix it.
The other option is to ban Black Maria and Gordon (Pricier one) to limit his reduction effects and free activations. If they have to run Otama, their mirror match is much worse.
My main though about Law is that it's like Saka or Nami. So good at what it does it means you can't print anything that the deck would play or it just goes in and makes the deck better. Law possibly being the worst for this since any Red or Purple cards of costs 4 or less have to be designed to not be better than anything currently in the deck. Also, makes power reduction effects harder to design. Ect. Ect.
More than anything, if Bandai does do something I hope it's synched between east and west and we don't have 3 extra months with the stuff.
thanks for watching : )
Yeah I agree, the problem with not banning the leader is that he's just a ticking time bomb and then they have to design less powerful cards treading around his leader ability, which can hurt the game as a whole. Red's already a color that has been dying for the past 2-3 sets and they could use some help lol. But Law would just take advantage of that most likely.
And yeah I hope they sync the bans this time. I wanna see what that would look like.
A few options to out law in check :
1.choice restrict black maria and reiju with Leader law so they can't be played together in the same deck Thus nerfing the consistency and don ramping.
2. Limit maria and Kidd blocker to 1 to hit don ramping consistency
3. Choice restrict Gordon and max
those could work
I think if they dont ban leader, Maria cannot be playable in Law, and they should ban Gordon so they only have access to 4 of the gordon/max combo and it's the cheaper card so ppl wont have to spend money on gordons
Can’t wait for the next video
Thanks! And thanks for watching : )
Either ban law, or give him the sakazuki treatment, nerf him. His ability is too much, don manipulation, power manipulation and bottom decking, hes essentially 3 colors. What they can do is either force him to bottom deck in order to play a card (prevents him from spamming board). Or allow him to spam board without effecting the other player’s board.
other ppl have suggested the forcing him to btm deck in order to use ability and I actually like that workaround. It might still be too strong but it has a shot at working
I've always been outspoken against jumping to ban cards. I was probably one of the loudest people against banning Sakazuki originally. But Law genuinely feels to me to be even more oppressive than Sakazuki ever was and I can't defend keeping him around.
He HEAVILY restricts future card designs and wraps the entire game around him. People keep talking about banning Black Maria, Gordon/Raise Max, Pudding, etc... but instead of banning/restricting half a dozen other cards (cards that are NEEDED in most any other purple leader just to be viable, like Black Maria), if they all share a single common denominator that makes them feel broken (i.e. Law), then it makes FAR more sense to just ban the leader...
Banning is such a slippery slope and I really, really don't want Bandai to ever get too ban-happy, but I personally will make an exception for banning Law. And honestly, it really saddens me too as Law is one of my favorite characters and I don't want to see this deck go as his other leader card struggles in the meta (although maybe it just needs to be revisited 🤔)...
I pretty heavily agree with this.
The problem with banning a bunch of non-leader cards is it detracts from all the other players who would have used them and can hurt the community more than just banning a single leader.
IMO, this is just a failure on Bandai's part for not having the incredibly small amount of foresight it took to notice Black Maria was broken lol.
On top of the small buffs they slowly gave Law over the past few sets and Gordon/Raise Max situation.
They need to do better about realizing such obvious things like this and then hopefully they won't have to ban another leader for a while.
In my opinion, it should get an errata. It must be mandatory to return an opposite character in order to activate his ability (I think this is the biggest problem). And the activation cost has to be 4 dons. In a gameplay where you get 2 dons every turn and Law being purple makes it relatively simple to recover from the don's loses.
I actually kinda like the idea of him needing a target to use his effect, but that might make leaders like Yamato impossible for him haha (which I wouldn't mind...)
4 don might be too much, but that could be another workaround
Other than the fact that they have shown historically they don't like doing full on Erratas for those kinds of changes, I agree the cost needs to go up and/or the threshold of power an opponent's character needs to be should go down. But if they're going to do anything at all, they only thing I can imagine is going the route of Sakazuki and banning this leader while simultaneously releasing a promo version of the new "errata'ed" leader with a much more balanced effect.
@@FudelioTCG I think having him returning a character is the best way fix this leader. A lot of games where you manage to control him are simply won by law because he can play a Kid and Killer or a rush Zoro for the final blow practically at no cost. If Bandai forces him to have a target to activate his ability automatically makes him less dominant.
I think if the deck should be hit, one of the first hits should be Shachi and Penguin to 0.
Its a cheap card that doesnt affect almost any other deck. It's one of the best cards in the deck and every list runs 4
It would be a good card to hit bcus of that, but definitely that alone is not enough.
No one else really uses Gordon/Raise Max, so if they leader lock Maria, and hit Max/Gordon and ShachiPen then maybe...maybe it would be at least "more fair"?
@FudelioTCG if all three of those hits happen I would expect it to definitely knock the deck down to fair levels. Probably tier 2 imo but maybe not
I’ve always hated the Law card but with G/P Doffy birdcage I normally don’t have any issues with him, but like another comment was saying he does a lot and has no negative since he can ramp up easily.
there are answers to Law like Doffy (blue and GP) and Yamato, etc, but yeah I think he's just too good into every leader in general that he might need to go.
Could you see maria be errata'd to be beast pirates leader locked before it's even printed in english?
If Bandai was brave enough, I think they should just make a ruling that she can't be played in RP Law and do a full errata later on if necessary.
I'm not sure about the logistics of that though T_T
If law isn’t banned then it has to be altered. Otherwise every release from now on has to limit purple and red cards so it doesn’t break law again.
yeah that's my biggest concern as well. I don't want them to nerf other leaders and colors just to make sure Law doesn't get stronger
I really don't know .. removal on a leader is broken ? Go tell Black Saka .. tell it Kyros .. thats not the problem . Its the support ..
If Kyros gets another Ice Age Card .. its broken ...now ..nobody plays him ..
They have to think about the supp and limitations ..instead of banning an leader ..
The only thing thats nonsense is.. he bottom decks. . its blue thing .. let Law Ko or Rest .. its ok
And ban Gordon an Maria
KO and bottom decking are too completely different things, though. That's why he's so much better than something like Saka or Kyros
if Law's effect was KO, then there would be way more workarounds and he wouldn't be nearly as strong.
Don’t ban Law. Black Maria just needs to be leader locked. If they ban BM, purple/black King will have no shot. Also 4 Gordon’s/4 max seems silly.
yeah, I know there are a few trouble cards they could tackle first before banning the leader, but he's just so strong no matter what, I'm worried he'll be too good with any kind of support in the future
If they go down the banning law route rather than Black Maria and Gordon do u think the east and west will sync the ban or are us in the west gonna have to live with an over tuned leader when we get to OP08?
I kinda hope they sync the ban this time just cus I'd like to see what that looks like for the meta in the West : )
Ban him! Such a broken leader.
we'll see what happens : )
Black Maria broke Law. He's just too broken with her. Bandai failed us by not leader locking her.
yah I'm actually disappointed they couldn't see how obviously broken she is. Has me a bit worried
Law needs to be banned flat out. It would be unfair to ban the characters that make him strong because other decks would essentially suffer for R/P Law's sins in a way. The truth is, Law just has easy to use and unfair mechanics. No deck should be able to remove while countering Black's trash mechanics, throw out rushers for free, run 8 of the same card for 1 don removal. run several amazing blockers (Shuraiya, Sanji, Kidd, Queen, and Killer), while having a lot of 2k counters, while also having access to Reiju and Queen to reset his hand, while also having Black Maria to patch up his 1 weakness. Let that sink in, in OP08 R/P Law can get up to 10 don which means he can swing a 6k leader, 2 kid and killers, throw 1 gordon/max to remove a blocker (or throw down 2 to lower another blocker instead of swinging 6k), and then -don to throw out another kid and killer for another 7k swing or throw out a sanji/shuraiya blocker and turtle. Then you proc Maria to get your don back. If you argue against banning this then you're the issue.
Law wasn’t this good until recently..and you’re mad because of removal of a board piece with at least 3k? Law wouldn’t normally be able to take down say a 6K blocker but now it’s broken because of cards like raise max and Gordon! It’s absurd you’re allowed four copies of each. Leaders shouldn’t suffer a ban because of support they get! If saka wasn’t banned in the East I bet they would be contending for best deck. Sorry folks it’s intended and designed to sell product decks will continue to evolve 🙄
@@joestar222 That's exactly why a leader should get banned. It is the mixture of support and the ability that makes it ban worthy. Yes running 4 Gordon and Raise Max is dumb since they are the same card but it would be even more dumb to allow 8 copies of gordon/max in other decks and not in R/P Law specifically. The easiest thing to do is just ban the deck and just because a deck gets banned doesn't mean it can't be unbanned down the line, it just needs to be banned for now until the other colors catch up. If you're mad about it then complain to bandai about making better cards for Blue and Red because Green, Yellow, Black, and Purple are thriving in the OP08 metagame.
I understand why some ppl don't want him banned, but I agree I think he's too OP at the moment so at least something needs to change.
Yeah, that is kinda why they ban leaders though, to help the game progress and so ppl don't get discouraged to play it knowing they cant use their favorite leaders/characters.
@@FudelioTCG What are your thoughts on Green's and Purple's rise in OPO8?
ban law or restrict certain cards to the right leaders only..... black maria to beast pirate leader etc
Could work but might not be enough, and that would require a lot of erratas which Bandai doesn't seem to want to do for OP
I watch a lot of the Japan matches and law is so much more oppressive than saka was. He gotta go
Yeah it’s pretty rough 😅
They should ban shachi and penguin. Lets see law try and -3 now turn 2
Umm...Black Maria?
think there are a few other cards they need to address before shachi pen
If they just keep banning leaders, would we start seeing decline in interest? Thought the banning of Saka would help bring up more diverse decks and leaders but from the looks of it the meta is in the same state
Possibly. That's why I wouldn't mind Bandai trying to balance things out for Law before banning him, but it's going to be hard because of the hole they dug for themselves.
Saka being banned did bring about a lot of good change though, and for all of OP7, it was a pretty diverse meta.
OP8 is where it's become really bad
Ban Law
we'll see what happens : )
Maybe a deck should rise to change this dominance... let's be creative...
Where was this energy with saka?
Don't worry, people are cooking(myself included), so there's hope.
but Bandai just didn't do any of us favors by making Law even stronger in OP8.
Plus Lucci is an unfortunate secondary gatekeeper, it's a really weird situation atm.
@@FudelioTCG Lucci feels very inconsistent. You get bricked too easily or you just dont hit ennies lobby early and things just don't go your way from there. ST04 Purple Kaido can also counter you by just letting you set up your board and then wipping them out with 10c kaido if you don't have a sabo in hand. Too many variables makes Lucci either feel decent or too strong. yes there are times where Lucci has full control with his tempo but OP08 released a lot of strategies for going wide with Kalgara, Moria, and Drum Kingdom/Chopper spam, as well as R/P Law, not to mention the new 9 Big Mom that can disrupt your blockers. Lucci is fine honestly and still is up there but definitely can have really bad matchups with other top tier decks and Yamato can just use Hordy for a final push if you cant consistently stop her swings. Hell even Blue Doffy presses Lucci by going wide with 7 warlords and Raging Tiger Gravity Blading your blockers away or your bigger and more important cards if you haven't gotten a chance to set up a defensive plan.
Lucci can struggle with incosistency from trashing off deck, but I think he's still powerful enough to keep down a lot of other decks.
5 life Black is strongly favored against Yamato, and yeah decks like blue doffy have a small shot but they basically have to high roll to stand a chance. Kalgara is good and I like him a lot, but it's all still an uphill battle.
Lucci is currently one of the only other top tier decks that can stand up to RP Law, so that's also why he's the "secondary gatekeeper"
Other decks that can stand up to Law aren't as good into other top tier decks like Lucci and BY Luffy, that's why there's a weird power struggle atm and you're seeing rogue blue decks make it to top 4~16
@@FudelioTCG Yea that is true. Kalgara has potential but it is heavily reliant on hitting Noland consistently to heal itself. TL;DR Red needs to get something more.
i believe that you are right about bandai banning law leader eventualy, but also i feel kind cheated...i will explain why: law as leader is not broken..none said he was broken when he came out...everyone said sakazuki was broken because of his consistency....what makes law kinda broken is his support..cards like reiju, killer, black maria made the deck exremely powerful. ....they could ban some of those cards but at some point they would print sthing else very good for this deck and then here we go again...so instead of banning every red/purple good 4drop card, they just gonna ban the leader....the thing is that there are already cards that oppress the rp law, especially black decks..i have lost many matches against black just because they always have moria, a super broken card that none dares to admit it was wrong to ever printed...also we have yellow...enel is way too broken for a leader...triggers aside which are very annoying, yellow is able to take back tons of life and with enel that kind of abuse is extremely powerful...i dont see anyone badmouths him though...at the beggining of op08 i played sim and law was unbeatable...thats not the case anymore...the meta adapted and now i lose at least1 third of the matches...that never happened with sakazuki...until his ban, he was the king of the game...even now rp law doesnt have that consistency...so why people ask for his ban and why i feel cheated? because everyone suddenly want to play it since its ''broken'' but its a very expensive deck so the easiest thing to do is bitching about that...i paid a good amount of money in order to have this deck since op05 where it was just a fun deck, and now im gonna get punished because bandai didnt leader lock some cards...im really sad about the whole thing..shame
This is purely anecdotal
so i get what you're saying, and i agree that technically Sakazuki was more consistent bcus of his leader effect and having multiple searchers (for some reason...) but Law's leader ability is borderline broken and he just needed a bit of support to really get him to a point where he is BDIF.
I know ppl can adapt and learn to beat the BDIF in OPTCG, but we're seeing nothing but RP Law winning at the highest level all across Asia atm, so I'm going to defer to that over anecdotal evidence or even locals, etc.
I know ppl love the leader and spent months of time and money building the deck, but it's Bandai's fault for putting ppl like you in this situation in the first place, so they should be held responsible for that and do better to notice when a card as busted as Black Maria is going to be too good for a deck that was already considered BDIF in OP7...
Isn't easier to just ban black Maria? I play Law, but personally it's hard to be consistent against meta decks like Enel, BY Luffy and black in general
banning Maria alone probably wouldn't be enough.
Law can lose to his slight incosistency and lack of searchers but overall he's just too OP and ppl playing him at the highest level can make it work against any top tier leader.
@@FudelioTCG I think I understand the point from the highest competitive level view, I see it differently because first I have been playing for only 2 months and got my Law deck 2 weeks ago so I'm still figuring out what to do (Law is not for beginners, please don't make same mistakes hahaha) , also the scene on my country is small af, if we want to go to a regional we need to travel to another country, the biggest tournament I remember is a 48 people tournament 2 weeks ago, and locals usually go from 8 to 12 people
@@jpag92 Yeah I feel you. And yeah, Im not a top level Law player or anything myself so I just look at what the players at the CS tournaments are doing and base it off of that : )
I hope you can get more locals and bigger tournaments in your area though!
I hope that if they ban Law in Asia, they do not wait another 4month to ban it in the west.. like they did wit Sakazuki 🙈
if they do ban him, I actually would like to see that too, just so that the Western meta can be totally different
Black Maria broke the balance of the leader
for sure
and Pudding on top was just overkill
I personally feel like the problem is less to do with the cost in Don!! (there will always be ways around that for purple), but rather the threshold for what he can bottom deck should be lower IMHO, like 2k, 1k, or hell I even think 0k would be acceptable and very achievable for this leader while making it far more balanced. 3k is just such a VERY easy power to get characters down to...
yeah i think that was lack of foresight on Bandai's part, they could have made it harder for him at the start by lowering the power lvl requirement
Anyone who thinks law should be banned has never seriously played a tcg. They'll just cry about the next deck that's good.
If anything is an issue it's black maria, not law
Law was still BDIF in OP7 before Maria. I'm all for them trying to balance him in other ways first, but it's clear that any red or purple card that will buff him could immediately put him back in tier 0 territory.
And it's not ppl crying about a leader, it's noticing that he's gained too much efficiency and wanting them to change something about it.
Ofc it'll happen with the next leader that gets too strong, but that's the way it goes.
@@FudelioTCG these results were not like this before maria. Was law good? Yea, bdif? No it lost to lucci same way it lost to Saka. Black maria is the problem card obviously
I think the problem is Black Maria making leader eff basically free and even rewarding with more don after. The leader actually took 4 sets to get broken unlike Saka which was at the top from the very beginning
This is only because Bandai refused to print any good generic red support in 04, 05, and 06. The leader effect was ALWAYS the problem because removal on leader is too efficient and limits future card design
You cant blame new powerfull cards making law broken. That way you can never design good cards because X leader abuse them. Meaning we come to a point bandai needs to keep RP law in mind every time you create purple or red cards.
i do kinda think that the real problem is Law himself and that getting rid of Maria would only postpone Law beoming broken again.
Saka had all the tools he needed from the start, so it's not as much of a fair comparison, and we saw what happened when he got Tashigi, Moria, etc
@@JeffDarkspawn i see that’s a better argument, but I think even being one of the strongest decks in op07 it wasn’t as problematic as in op08 even though it had most of the resources he needed (card draw, power reducing, don ramping and counter power). Even in EB01 I’ve been able to shambles for free but i needed specific cards simultaneously to do so, and BM does that by herself. I think even blue croc would be powerful if he could don-4 and then don+5.
I see being a problem potentially limiting 4 costs from red and purple colors, but what else could it potentially use that he doesn’t already have acces to?
At this point I'm also clueless about what's going to happen. But banning a leader is crazy. I think bandi made a card without thinking about how broken it could be for a leader though
not gonna argue with you on that one XD
I have no idea what they were thinking with Black Maria.
Whatever happens, it's gonna be interesting and hopefully shakes things up, though.
I dont understand why people worrying about law when yellow is just better in every way. They have cards and lottery themselves into a deck full of triggers and those triggers literally steal the game away even if you play properly. Deal with yellow first then we can reexamine law
How is yellow better in every way?
Enel had a good run at the start of OP7 but has been almost non-existent in these CSs and big tournaments for OP8 cus Lucci and Law are better.
There's no way you can look at the data and tell me yellow is more broken than Law atm
@@FudelioTCG i guess i need to wait and see how it plays in 07 and 08 as those are not quite in america yet but right now i am always losing consistent games to enel triggering 0 cost into bege or just bege to lose me the game no matter how well i play into it.
Yah trust me, I get it how Enel/yellow can be annoying. I like Enel leader but when I lose to a bege trigger playing against him I wanna jump out a window lol.
And yeah, I'm speaking mostly for OP7 and OP8 here, so just wait a little while and hopefully you'll see it's not as bad.