The Spontaneity and Complexity of Manifestation
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- A young boy asks why consciousness has to explore itself given that it knows everything.
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Trust a child to ask Rupert some of the hardest questions...
Yeah cause adults usually just want to attain something as that's the cycle that they have always lived by where kids are more interested in questioning and truth.
Adults look for a master, kids just want to understand, they want truth.
What a great question by what sounds like a young person or child.
Yes, I believe Alexander is a very bright young lad who is often at Rupert's gatherings. He's asked many question before. I suspect that he is so young that he visits with his parents...but I'm not sure about that.
Yes, he is a young bright boy of 14 years of age!
He is. Met him at a retreat. Amazing kid!
Smart kid.
The first part of Rupert's answer here brought me to tears. It felt as though consciousness was finally coming to the true understanding of it's own nature through the temporary localization of itself called "my mind", and as rupert was explaining it, I could feel all of the longing that was only ever truly directed towards home fall back in on itself in pure love. Thank you so much
Alexander certainly asks some good questions!
Man whenever i see rupert and hear him, i feel so calm and in peace i forget about all the bad things about life.😌
What a beautiful and great question.❤️
Namaste,
The one asking the question is the false "I", the ignorant. A beautiful story by Paramahamsa Ramakrishna demonstrates this - "Once a salt doll went to measure the depth of the ocean. It wanted to tell others how deep the water was. But this it could never do, for no sooner did it get into the water than it melted. Now who was there to report the ocean's depth?
In samadhi one attains the Knowledge of Brahman - one realizes Brahman. In that state reasoning stops altogether, and man becomes mute. He has no power to describe the nature of Brahman."
Lucid Living - is what is makes you to "Express" the Nature of Brahman.. contemplating ,questioning and reasoning and joy in finding the answers..all of these are "Expressions" of one true self......sat-chit-ananda... .Being Brahman, Knowing Brahman and Loving Brahman all by itself asking questions answering questions and feeling the bliss in it's own play.. :)
Aren't all questions asked by the false "I" though?
A beautiful story :)
One of the best questions I’ve heard asked of Rupert!!
Yeah because most people want answers. They are desperate. They just want an escape that's why they never really recieve the answers. But some are more interested in truth and ask questions to challenge their beliefs and what people say the truth is and that's why they find the answers. Just look at most people in the comment sections of these videos. All desperate looking to awakening to escape. They will always be seeking.
This damn kid smart af 😂
Speechless frozen by the question.
It gave another dimensional way of thinking. Brother Rupert had a bit long pause.
Atta GIRL 👍
Such a beautiful question.This is where A Course in Miracles is helpful, I think. The mind clings to a "what if" thought of specialness and it forgets it's TRUE nature as soon as it takes its desire seriously... as having happened. The script is written but the freedom is to live the script in a way that reinforces or undoes the desire for individuality.
Thank you for you're clarity and insight
Love you Rupert ❤
Time to have waking lucid dreams.
People often misunderstand nonduality to mean determinism rather than pre-destiny. This is because they still think the past and the future are real. But everything is unfolding in the ever-now. Consciousness is absolutely free, as infinite potentiality of the totality. It’s only the seeming separate selves that are not free, since parts (like in a machine) are determined by other parts - cause and effect (the illusory world of mind, projecting onto what it assumes are objects) if you will (no pun intended). We have freedom but it’s “borrowed” as it were from Consciousness. Non-objective understanding seems very tricky and paradoxical to the objective-izing mind. I “got this” sitting with Rupert's teacher, Francis Lucille.
Consciousness manifests itself into itself.
He never explains why awareness has a desire to know itself. Awareness has no desire, it just is, but the essence of the organism is desire...so when playing the part of desire/organism, it expresses desire to know itself. So the desire to know itself isn’t the purpose of awareness, it’s just an aspect of it.
Conrad Ambrossi
Good answer mate!
I agree exactly...
It doesn’t have a desire to know it’s self. It already knows it self completely because it is “Pure Knowing”. The same way in which the sun is self illuminating. In order to experience the world, it has to assume the dreamed character.
Greatly spontaneously manifested question 🙋🏽♂️.. great question 👌🏾👍🏽
Brilliant.
I would answer "Consciousness did it just for curiosity, just to taste what adventure brings".
Luiz Henrique but what would it be Adventure? I know you refiere to Adventure as consequences, chance... but who would decide “Adventure”?
Luiz Henrique Hi Luiz, that makes C.. lacking something, thus not full.
Following is my understanding:
Consiousness never forgets. Consciousness is ever knowing and all knowing.
The individual, created by and out of the Consiousness appears forgetting it's Creator and the primary and only substance of it.
This is the part of Cosmic Plan of Consiousness
Wohw! What a beautifull, simple, clear explanation to such a clear and wise question!!! This is the magic of reality, the magic of manifestation, the magic of Love. When we really touch this point in our experience we start live without fear and without questions. Everythings at this level become as perfect, it seems a paradox but this is it.
All analogies break down at some point.
They are all more or less perfect signposts.
They contain within them contradictions.
These contradictions say "do not stay by me. I am not it. Go to where i point"
And you won't see it till you see it then you'll see it everywhere.
Subjective Insights yes
What a lovely way of describing..
When we conciousely "know" everything, then the story would end. It is the "unknowing" that allows for the continuation into infinity. It is in that space that the will is free, how else would the will comprehend freedom, if not in the "returning" from a perceived place of captivity.
What a cute kid ❤️
Ultimate example of method acting, by Consciousness.
Complicated
Truth is elegant
Only the mind asks the questions , once you become consciousness all questions will be lost !! Also there isn't any goal , its just happening on itself . Even if you were to know the answer again the question would come for that answer .
She got him there 😂
He always gets the toughest questions
What is is and is not persons.
It transcends all duality.
It knows because we know. It doesn't know because stones don't know.
It is not any thing. it is every thing and at the same time it is no thing.
It is what speaks and what hears.
It is the stater of an opinion and it is the refuter of an opinion.
It is mindless and mindful.
All these things are pointers.
People set up one aspect of what is, whether that is consciousness, that which is conscious or that which awareness is aware of as an idol.
They continually point to a thing and say this is it. that is it.
But in pointing they miss the point that there is no point.
Subjective Insights yes.
Yup
Good.
"I know time doesnt exist but...". I'd suggest to stay with that understanding for as soon as you superimpose time on the timeless, things get "complicated" because it isnt true that consciousness is "in" time
Great answer by Mr Spira tho
the human mind/ego asks this kind of questions ...
I don’t plan my dream, nor have i the impression i have free will at the moment i am going to hit the wall, i wake up.
itelligent child. great question
Rupert spira sir you are great
I understood something here
This world is same as our dream and we can create anything in this world by our will as we could in our dream... But we can manifest only that thing in our dream which we have seen in our waking state.
And if we want to manifest something in this waking state we must have it registered in our conscious...
So please tell me how can I register something in my conscious so that I could manifest it
Is it visualization, affirmations or something else
Why would consciousness create and enter a world if it only desires to get out of it again?
The activity of the non-motion consciousness is finite scaled measured and labeled, patterns shapes and forms, intermittent, temporarily temporal, duality, causality, temporal passed told fearful-pain spiraling madly out of control) movements of/in motion.
We are here in the 3rd dimension and the 3rd is only for learning we are given the illusion of free will only to ascended and to see what choices we will make to get a past out of here it's all a game
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His answer sounds like the infinite has limitations.
Could you please put Portuguese subtitles
Does consciousness project the plot of all or the individuality concerned ?
At every spot of individualities, a plot is projected for individual main character. Which is a corresponding thread of the collective consciousness. Thus creating both coincidence as well as freewill as a projection of its color.
It's complicated !!
Where is the protagonist ? Where is the conspiracy ? If outlook is to find them then every cell of your body does a conspiracy to acquire food what is digested by your stomach.
Thanks and best regards.
I love this kid
Is it so that consciousness can know itself?
Does Knowingness need the Known to exist? Can Non-existence exist? Does Existence exist simply because Non-existence cannot? Would Existence exist if it were not Known? Is it the object of its own subject? If all these are self-evident, then *must* it exist, as it does? Is the Logic of existing versus non-existing the Cause? Is this what is meant by "In the beginning there was Logos"? Food for thought.
What happens to the totality of creation and all its contents when the human species becomes extinct?
Could this boy one day take over the reigns from Rupert.
Pretty good. Why does consciousness "dream"? We don't know for sure. We only know It does.
does free will apply to consciousness?
I wish my daughter would be interested in those things. She says, muuuum I don't want to hear about your enlightening stuff grrrrrr 😪
explaining always with analogies can't be alwas right, bacause the thing we questing is not the same as the thing we compare it too... I can answer the kids question with other analogies that fit, but this does not mean that the same mechanism is realy present in both of them, or that my analogy is really true... rupert is creating the answer with logic and analogy that fits, not answering with knowing... we do not know the infinite intiligence, plan, will, and mind of pure counciousness and how and why our world ,,exists" or appears, at all. We do not understand or know Gods will...
Don't forget that Alexander's (excellent) question comes from what he has already heard/learned from Rupert himself. So when he asks 'why consciousness has to explore itself given that it knows everything', he is assuming (as Rupert has already told him in previous talks) that consciousness itself is infinite - ie. it is everything - and there is therefore nothing beyond consciousness. But what if there _is_ something beyond consciousness? What if consciousness is merely the tool of choice, used by this Nameless one beyond, in order to create, and through which to know, the mystery of its own existence? Doesn't that make more sense - that consciousness itself is _not_ infinite, but limited to its content? [Otherwise, how could there be any evolution of consciousness?] Rather it is the Creator itself which is infinite and eternal, and therefore ultimately unknowable, even to itself.
I would recommend not to get caught up too tight in terminology.
Once you see that "God is all, all is God", the question of "beyond" and "limited and infinite" does no longer apply.
I do suspect though, that when you speak of consciousness, you do not point to infinite awareness, to that which is aware of your experience.
What is it, that is aware of your experience right now?
Has it ever changed? Evolved?
Was the awareness that is aware of your current experience different from the awareness that was aware of your first day at school?
Can you find a border?
And if so, how does the border - the end of your awareness - look, or feel like?
If you find it has no border, then your own direct experience tells you that awareness is infinite.
Then you only have to choose whom to trust - your direct experience, or your mind.
I find your question very appropriate.
Do not trust Rupert. Don't just believe his words.
Check your own experience.
You're right that I _am_ making a distinction between consciousness and awareness.
To keep it simple, I'm saying consciousness implies duality - the knower and the known. Whilst awareness is non-dual - the fundamental capacity/potentiality for all knowledge (in and as consciousness), yet itself not aware _of_ anything. [So the term 'awareness' is actually misleading in that sense.]
It's quite simple really. If something is infinite, then it must be singular, undifferentiated, non-dual. So within that non-dual state, there can't be any knowledge at all, because knowledge would automatically mean duality - the knower and the known. Hence in that situation, we could say that awareness has given rise to consciousness - somebody knowing something.
So when you talk of 'infinite awareness' - in the sense that you're using the term at least - it's actually a misnomer, because nothing infinite can possibly be aware of anything! It only becomes aware _of_ something in the dualistic state of consciousness.
Yes, at the end of the day, this is only terminology, but living in this world in this human form, words are a very useful tool for communicating important concepts and ideas to each other. They literally have the power to help enlighten us and set us free. So all I'm saying is, let's choose them wisely!
Hell no!
Sounds like you just want God behind the scenes...
And your reply sounds like you just _don't_ want God behind the scenes! Right?
And why would that be? Because, no doubt, in your own mind, you already 'know' what God is, yeah? You somehow already know the unknowable? And so this thing you call "God", that you already know, you don't want at all, whether behind the scenes or anywhere else?
Actually, all I'm saying is, that there is clearly _something_ here behind the scenes - some mysterious intelligence/awareness that is both creating all of this and then observing/experiencing/living through its own creation.
To be honest, I couldn't give two monkeys what name anyone wants to give to that. "God" seems to me as relevant as anything, but if you'd rather invent another name for it, then that's just fine by me! Surely though, it's not really the name that's important, is it?
One question tho. Do "we", I mean the dreamed characters , do they play any part in the Consciousness's spontaneity and improvisation of the story that it knits. Can the dreamed characters guide the dream ?
there are no characters...all is one and why her question is so interesting...
Do the dreamed characters in your dream at night play any part in your minds spontaneity and improvisation of the story that unfolds in your dream?
Can the dreamed characters in your dream at night guide the dream your mind is dreaming?
Here is a hint: The characters ARE the dreamed story that unfolds. There is no story on one side and "the characters" somewhere else.
If you are dreaming you don’t feel the need to return to a peace you never knew. That also implies that Maya is stronger than Conciousness, wich by the way is the hard problem in Atvaita.
You do know it. Just because you’re dreaming doesn’t mean you forget. Do you forget how to ride a bike because you dream at night. Maya isn’t stronger it’s just LOUDER
This is an invitation to see a theory on the physics of light and time!
And if...from the moment manifestation starts to happen,follows a pattern,an inner pattern an intrinsic one...
Why manifestation happens??? We don't know!!!!Maybe simply because it can't not to happen..................................
I feel we are the knowing of the story. Infinite consciousness knows the whole story and we are what the finite knowing looks like from within.
Alexander's question highlights a 'flaw' in non-dualist discourse. Eternal Consciousness 'forgetting itself'? In order 'to explore'? Why explore if its essential nature is always wholeness and peace? Another way of saying this is ignorance is uncaused and therefore unexplained and unexplainable.
Theoretical understanding, which this kid has, is not the same as realization. The question reduces to the same thing as most other existential questions: “why something and not nothing?”. Or, why nothing and not something? Still, the duality remains between something and nothing, ones and zeroes. God makes no such distinctions, only the human mind does. Melt into the bath of Non-differentiation.
Great question! :)
I wasnt there but I would say that we have free will. There’s really no difference between Gods will and Your will.
Even if everything is predetermined we can not deny the obvious feeling of free will.
opazor Yeah, I would call the experience of free will the proof of free will. In another way, determinism must also be true because within infinity there is room for all paradoxical things simultaneously. Just thinking out loud here.
opazor you dont have freewil to think that you have it or not.Cause everything is as it should be.Cause it couldnt be any otherway.If you truly had freewil you could stop your thoughts but you cant.
Zefotru but we can willfully stop our thoughts, for a time at least.
Maybe you can stop them. But you can't choose them. Thoughts are perceived in a serial way. One after another. So, even if there is a thought that says: "I have free will". There is no-one that chose that thought to appear. It just did.
Thoughts can certainly stop.......what evidence do you have that there is a 'you' who caused them to stop?
Terrific Question by the young lad. He had Rupert thinking hard and somewhat stumped.
The last question the lad asked was "But then why is there no freewill ?" and Rupert ended up explaining as to why we always seem to know that we are free ! That was quite a slip on part of Rupert, wasn't it ? Or have I misunderstood ?
Possibly, Rupert had previously discussed the fact there are no individuals to even possess free will, so that was a given in their discussion.
No slip. We always have the freedom of our true unlimited self but we think it's veiled when we are operating as a separate self in a seeming world. In reality its always there and completely available.
Mohaneesh Honavar aaah just thoughts ;)
He did slip a tiny bit. Any question on "why" assumes there is a "me" who wants to know. Consciousness is not interested in why, what, who or where. It just is. Also, a "why" question always assumes a thing or situation in time/space: "Why did X happen". There is no thing to which X happened and there is no X that happened. So the question of "why did X happen" is unanswerable. That's what I feel was not addressed.
Not gonna lie though, I did like the story-write conceptualization.
He's left off a part that I'm fairly sure he's said in the past: Although the dreamer has the freedom to create any scenario and course of action in the scenario for the dreamed character, the character *itself*, being imaginary in nature, cannot be said to be capable of making those decisions. The author/protagonist metaphor works equally well. The character Sherlock Holmes can do anything at all, since Sir Arthur Conan Doyle was perfectly capable of writing that Sherlock now flaps his arms and flies to the moon. But is that the volition of the character himself? In other words, can Sherlock Holmes alter the words on Doyle's page? No.
Manifestation isn’t a predetermined story it is a cicelelic periodical thought in the unmanifest.don,t forget we became dinosaur once before.
“when you have a dream at night alexander do you not forget you are alexander sleeping in your bed in Paris, do you not imagine you are sunbathing on a caribbean beach “? 😂😂 haha that made me laugh big time lol i’ve noticed rupert often refers to caribbean beaches maybe he wants to retire from this one day and move to the caribbean 😅
Hehe, that kid again? Funny how interested this 12 year old kid is in these matters. If I was his daddy I would teach him there is a relative world as well with sports, girls, friends and alkohol. The absolute world of pure consciousness will not go away. Take care of your youth kid! Even though it's impressive to see your intelligence and curiosity. :)
In this period many kids are really so advanced in confront of our generation! And it's a great fortune for the planet, and for all of us!! No worrys...so beautifull!
I ageee! It feels natural that people will self realize at a younger and younger age!
People are so intelligent asking the greatest questions!❤
Why is awareness only aware as an organism?
We, as humans talking, cannot say what awareness is aware of in a brick, for example. So we can't say anything about that. What we *do* know, is that in the location of an active human brain, awareness is aware of the *products of active human brains*. Some of these products involve turning certain types of waves into a light experience. Some involve turning certain types of waves into a sound experience. The only thing awareness reports *IN THE LOCATION OF YOU, AN ORGANISM* are the things going on in YOU, AN ORGANISM. This is due to the obvious fact that you are always stuck where you are. In the space of an organism, awareness is aware of perception, or you could even say, the percepts themselves. I think you're probably committing to the interpretation that perception is equal to awareness. If you think in this way, you believe that awareness only means to be aware of perceptions. Hopefully a thought experiment helps: imagine a perfect sensory deprivation chamber, and imagine also being able to perfectly clear your thoughts. You are still conscious, and you are still aware, but in this case you had access to Awareness without Perception/Percepts. As a matter of fact, since you have perfectly cleared your thoughts and perfectly lacked sensation, you would later lack any cues for your memory to piece together a timeline. Strangely, you could probably be in that state for 8 hours and only be able to report what seemed like a momentary lapse in the normal input of information! And in fact, this is just about what happens in deep sleep. Rather than thinking of it as "awareness (or consciousness) turns off" consider the ACTUAL state of affairs: awareness remains exactly the same as it always is, and the physical machinery in the brain ceases doing the work of "turning waves into light, turning waves into sound, creating electrical interactions in the part of the brain responsible for audible thought", etc. You, the person, are not going to be able to say what awareness is "doing" in the center of the moon, strictly because you the person is here, the moon is there. But awareness is aware of both You can infer this from the fact that you are over there and I am over here and we have corroborating evidence that awareness is aware of brains creating perception in the location of our brains - machines that create perception. Sorry to keep going on, but it does help to subscribe to the qualia model that says that the light EXPERIENCE does not exist without an organism. I have no idea what the Sun is doing outside of how my brain interprets it. But if you think that the surface of the Earth is "bright" or "lit" in the absence of all organisms, I would reconsider your understanding of that as well.
oneofthepeoplehere you didn’t answer the question, you just said that awareness is only aware of the modifications of the body. Why is awareness only aware as an organism? Why do bodies appear to be the centre of awareness even tho according to its nature is shouldn’t be?
I don't know why you believe that awareness is only aware of organisms. I attempted to explain that organisms create perceptions and that's why awareness is aware of perceptions in the space that organisms occupy. The rest of my answer was to provide you with a way to experience what awareness is like _between_ perception, which I hoped would help you to see that perceptions alone does not define awareness. If you can grasp this, you may be able to intellectually extend the boundary of awareness past the boundary of an organism's skin. The second question is easy to answer. Bodies _seem_ to be the center of awareness for one very obvious reason: Wherever the body goes, there it is. Let's say that awareness, being of a singular sort, is aware of everything in existence. In the place of a tree, it is aware of tree-ness (whatever that is like, we don't know, but we suppose that it's different than animal-ness). In the place that a stone exists, it is aware of stone-ness, whatever that is like. In the place of a human, it is aware of human-ness. Fortunately, we know exactly what this is like. The skin has these things called nerves that create the quale we call "feeling". The eyes and brain produce the quale for "sight" out of certain electromagnetic waves. The brain has also developed a talent for what we call "conceptualization". It takes items from its field of various types of perceptions and considers them to be singular units with the quality of persistence. The most persistent of these data, it calls "itself". Lets, for the sake of ease, simplify an organism, humans included, to a brain. Your question becomes: why does brain activity seem to be the center of awareness? It's easy: because awareness is aware of everything including trees, stones, planets, galaxies, quarks, atoms, brains. *Your* brain produces thoughts. Awareness is aware of those thoughts, wherever your brain travels within its "field". The reason it seems, *to you* that your brain is the only thing going on *is that your brain is always at the location of your brain and that's what awareness is going to be aware of there*.
oneofthepeoplehere so what’s the difference between the awareness of particles, and the awareness of objects, such as trees or TVs?
None maybe? But you should consider that there really is no reason for the universe at large to differentiate between objects. This is something that minds do that is part of what has made them persistent i.e. '"fit" for survival. It seems to me that you are sticking to the idea that percepts are the only thing that awareness can be aware of. Or maybe its that you think that awareness "pops into existence" only when there is a percept. What I think is happening here, is that you seem to be talking about the percepts, as though THEY THEMSELVES ARE awareness. Instead, you should consider that awareness is a precursor. In other words, awareness is always there, "ready" for there to be a percept, and when one is created in a mind or through the sense organs of an organism, it is immediately known by awareness. The other part of your question seems to be "what is awareness aware of when it is outside of a mind/ outside of an location that has biological perception". Or maybe the question is more like "what's going on outside of my perception of things?" I don't know. To answer would be to speculate. Mental masturbation. I'm sure there are more "mystical" answers out there, but the only satisfying answers are those within one's own experience. One thing I can suggest is to try some classic practices. Examining what you are aware of between thoughts. Examining that thoughts, feelings, and bodily sensations are temporary, but that the awareness in which they occur is persistent. By doing this, you close in on what the experience of awareness is like _by itself_, and this might provide something which abates the speculation about non-perception-based subjects. In fact, there may be no such thing as non-perception-based subjects. Awareness may just exist "as is" - a knower without a known. But that's speculation too.
Consciousness itself can not remember or forget. It is limited to a single point in time which is now. If it could remember and forget we would be able to be present in the past and future. It can be aware of mental projections such as time but it never leaves itself, never ever moves anywhere. It projects a universe because in essecnce that is what it is. Consciousness is a projection of itself. And withouth it even nothing would not be. It is the source of everything without any possibility not to be. Its essence can not be caused. It cannot be undone. It just cant be any other way. It is sheer miracle and mystery. What the antient sages said about it is quite true. The only reality is it.
This question was much deeper than the answer that was given and was begging for acknowledgement - yes, you are right.. that is true. When Rupert learns to give such answers he will enter the next level. I mean... that is also true for me... because the reason that any question arises is to be acknowledged and agreed with. No question and no truth is essentially important more than the affinity and bond between us. Love. Because, anyways, true learning happens by experience. Also when we only agree and let another reveal the way they see it, it expands our horizons. Maybe before letting out our answer we ask the questioner to elaborate and expand on their question... maybe we learn more that way
This is the exact question I’ve been asking for yearsssssss 🥳
Why would consciousness want to manifest violent and evil protagonists.
Question of the Year.
Kid put Rupert to the test.
What a brilliant cute soul there
I listen to Rupert all the time, (great question Alexandar!) but this talk was really mystifying... 'life is predetermined' yet 'Life is spontaneously unfolding, it's not set.' I must be missing something :-)
To the person it seems he or she is in control. Sitting in the driver's seat. Making decisions. Creating plans. Doing stuff.
That is illusion.
What happens in this very moment is arising spontaneously in one's consciousness.
Is it not?
Is your own experience in this very moment not arising in your consciousness without having asked your permission in advance?
Without you in advance having chosen either to have or not have it?
No person can choose or plan what thought to think, what feeling to feel.
And even if one would plan to think a specific thought in the next moment - wouldn't that plan be another thought? And when was that one chosen or planned?
So to the person looking back in an open and honest way, any experience was predetermined, not chosen, planned or created by the person.
He or she had no choice, but to think what he or she thought in that moment, see what he/she saw, feel what he/she felt, etc.
Check it out for yourself.
And then, we give the apparent sequence of apparent different moments the name "life".
So life, as a sequence of moments in which experience happens, is predetermined - as "you" can never choose or plan the exact experience you are having in this moment.
And in this moment. And in this moment.
So, for the (apparent) person, life - the sequence of moments in which experience happens - is predetermined.
Check your own actual experience of this very moment now, whatever is present in your current experience, and see how much of it you planned and created in advance.
You will find the same result in any situation, in "any point of your life", just check it once in a while for yourself.
To God's infinite being / to awareness / to life, every (which is one) moment is unmanifested, unlimited potentiality. What happens in every moment is completely fresh and spontaneous. There is no limitation. There is no reference point. So the freedom for God what to manifest "next" is without a limit. Nothing is set. What happens now is just what happens now. It has to be completely spontaneous, because only time could give a container, a framework, for cause and effect. Without time, you can not have causes in something called the past, which lead to effects either now or in a so called future. Cause and effect are by definition bound to time, as you can not have a cause and the effect at the same instant. There has to be a gap, however small it might be.
For our minds, this feels like very shaky grounds. Because if there is not a single cause and not a single effect in reality, it means anything - literally! - can happen in the next moment. And that is quite frightening, once you really let that sink in.
One of the main functions of a human mind is to predict and calculate potential dangers (for the body of course. Or in other words, for itself).
Without time, without case and effect, this task pops like a bubble.
Minds do not like to pop like bubbles. They like to stay where it is (apparently) safe. Even if it kind of sucks there.
Viewing from a different angle, of course there isn't one to choose or control experience in the first place.
But I find that angle isn't always helpful.
I dam not think he agreed that life is predetermined. No free will does not equal predetermined life.
Oliver Scheit wow this is an impressive answer. Do you have a fb or instagram account?
@@OliS72can you explain law of assumption and manifestation then? Why is it that I can literally manifest people, places and things by imagining them and affirming for them?
@@LoveLeigh313 There are different angles for possible answers. For now, I stick to the one of the answer I gave 5 years ago.
Let us assume, you have to pick between coffee or tea. You pick tea.
Now you say "look, I have free will. I was the one who chose tea. It was not predetermined, it was my decision."
However, looking closely and looking honest, the thought "I take tea" was not your creation. You did not sit down and build it out of matter. Nor did your mind cluster together invisible letters somewhere and then showed it - for whom anyway? Looking at the way of your very own experience of thinking (this can be quite an interesting way of meditation, to be really, really quiet and listen very closely to thoughts) you will very likely come to the experience that a thought simply suddenly appears.
Where exactly did it come from? What exactly is it made out of? How exactly does the act of creating a thought/decision work? What steps do you undergo?
Now of course we all have the illusion that we are "thinkers". That we create our thoughts. However, this would mean, in order to create a specific thought, I would have to have a pre-thought before. Before intentionally creating the thought "I take tea", I would have to have the thought "I decide to now create the thought: I take tea".
Now, in order to create that pre-thought, I would have to have a thought even one step earlier. One that says "I decide to now create the thought: I decide now create the thought: I take tea.".
Please use "think" and "decide" as synonyms here.
You see, this will lead you into an endless journey.
On the other hand, if we just assume that the thought "I take tea" arose spontaneously in your consciousness, there is no endless journey.
The trick of "ego-mind" is claiming "there is an solid entity called 'I' present and this 'I' did what just happened."
Let us now assume, a tea cup is suddenly brought into the room. Somebody just (apparently) felt like bringing one in, sets it down on your table and leaves.
Now you can look at it from the angle of "my thought (the one I created) manifested this cup of tea."
However, is it not also possible that: a cup of tea was about to manifest. And since everything is one indivisible consciousness, this very consciousness manifests a thought before the actual cup? The thought: "I take tea"?
What I am trying to point at: In your question there is a presumption. "I can literally manifest ..."
This is based on the repeated experience of thoughts (which can be words, images, sounds, etc.) arising in your consciousness which apparently then manifest their content into the world of matter. However, the good news is: You never created the initial thoughts. Meaning you never created something that could be called a decision.
It is just simply this: spontaneously in consciousness appears a thought. "I take tea". Later, the experience of seeing, smelling, touching and tasting a cup of tea also appears spontaneously in consciousness.
--» Why is it that I can literally manifest people, places and things by imagining them and affirming for them?
People, places and things arise spontaneously in consciousness.
Prior it can happen that thoughts, images, memories, etc. just as affirmations or the apparent "decision to manifest" also arise spontaneously in consciousness.
It is the same spontaneous, creative act of manifestation. Who is manifesting? consciousness. What is manifested? experience. Where is that experience taking place? in consciousness. What is it made of? Of conscious knowing - in other words of consciousness.
It is very likely that you - meaning your mind - will not be happy with these words.
Because we want (and in a way need) the illusion of control. And that is okay.
As long as there is a solid feeling of "I am something", this 'I' should be allowed to feel safe and dismiss any pointers that go too deep.
However, if you want the full picture, if you really want to know and see that, what is no illusion, but the canvas on which all illusion appears, then investigate: what exactly is that 'I' that seems to have the believe "I can manifest"? Be precise. Be specific. And do not expect to find anything. (as in: any thing)
Are you a body that has consciousness inside? Is that your experience?
Or are you conscious and in you, the sensation of a body appears?
Is it not our experience: "I have a body"?
If that 'I' is the body, why would it talk or think that way? It would mean "I have a me". If 'I' and 'me' are not that same though - are we 2 bodies?
Or is it just "I - consciousness - have the experience of body-sensations"?
I wish you all the best.
Alexander the Great :-)
Never work with children or animals LOL. What is needed is a deeper understanding of physical reality based on physics that Rupert’s ideas can be based upon!
everything in life is pre determined 😢 your path is already chosen before you was even born
A very clever mind asked those questions
Be great if it was all a lot more simple. Oh my god . Human condition is not fun
That is just another closed loop. There is no way out for consciousness, for it can know - be aware - only of itself alone.
Dang, that kid was asking the hardest questions! 😂
Wow, nearly stumped Rupert there 😅
Rupert didn’t address the question :/
This question is considered good because it reflects inherent doubt or ambivalence among viewers.The analogy given as answer is poor especially when it comes to the forgetting part.
YinYin Bo
However, Rupert nails with the dream talk!
Something my daughter would say....great question Kiddo!...lol
Playing a role as the protagonist in a self written play does not imply that you have to forget who you are. You ignore it. Seeing that the result of your script left you with a deep longing,and frustration,you stop being a playwriter, or at least try better. "Who" cares anyway?
Sorry, but it seems illogical. The non-dual thinking is really dual, cause it needs knowledge and its counterpart forgetting, by consciousness to "act"! Besides that, it seems like a "Simulation God" that does what it wants good and bad, and assumes the character or a "virtual mind-body drone" without giving a shit about "the virtual drone" pains and sorrows in living innocently its awful creations, just because it's virtual! So, this kind of God is more like a Devil, a Good+Bad God, or just a Crazy Silly God.
And doing the same continuously, eternally, repeating the same script endlessly, it seems more like a Computer Simulator lost in a loop/glitch without changing a bit.
Probably that's it! We live as "avatars or drones" in a simulation developed by an unknown "masochist/mad/evil/scientist" entity.
Besides that nondual teaching changes nothing we still have a "God" as always, that may or not be friendly to anyone! God Ou Consciousness, doesn't matter, it's the same entity.
He has no idea how to respond. Time does exist. We live in a quantum reality.
Ann Darling time is s construct. It has no objective actuality.
Clocks exist... time doesn’t!
I think this kid needs to relax and focus on his school study.
kalter000 Exactly! Leave the direct examination of reality and the search for ultimate meaning to the adult professionals.
Yea this kid needs to stop thinking immediately, and get in line to become another mindless sheep, that this world so desperately needs today.
Flexipop T Yeah, good thing we are soo high and spiritual here unlike all these sheeple, aren't we so cool, bruh?
Brenden Laidlaw There is time and place for everything. It's clear he just gathers conceptual understanding without real empirical implications, and this might fuck him up. You've got to be mature to handle these truths, and for now it would be better to follow a natural progression of education and socialisation.
Y'all are too up in the clouds.
No need to be condescending. It's not as though the child cannot have an education and explore non-duality at the same time. The sooner the better if anything since his mind is less conditioned and more open than the average adult. Had he solely focused on his studies, he'd unfortunately be eating up modern science and its obsession to explore existence in terms of matter. Non-duality will keep him questioning. There's no appropriate age to seek enlightenment/the end of suffering. The best part is that this is one of the best questions we've seen to challenge Rupert's idea of the creator losing itself in its creation so far. So what's really the issue here?