MCLAREN'S FRAGILE ROCKETSHIP! The Story of the McLaren MP4-20 (2005)

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  • McLaren built what is probably the 1967 Lotus 49 of the modern era. When it worked, it was rapid. But it broke down too often to win the championship, and other drivers mopped up where they floundered.
    So what made this car so fast and what at the same time made it so bad? Let's have a look.
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  • @boyracer1987
    @boyracer1987 Před 8 měsíci +67

    I'm sure Kimi finished 3rd at Silverstone, having had the engine failure during practice and taking another 10 place grid penalty. He didn't DNF in the race.

  • @yannickhardow6819
    @yannickhardow6819 Před 8 měsíci +126

    "Fragile rocketship" is a perfect description. Kimi would have won the title easily without all these failures

    • @1989SupraGuyFIN
      @1989SupraGuyFIN Před 8 měsíci +6

      Hence why I have love/hate relationship with that car. Fast af, but also more fragile, than Hamilton's ego (because, you know, Hamilton does have quite massive ego).

    • @stewroo
      @stewroo Před 8 měsíci +13

      ​@@1989SupraGuyFINWhy bring him up?

    • @apexinstinct
      @apexinstinct Před 8 měsíci +2

      ​@@1989SupraGuyFINand yet living rent free in your head. This is a place for civil discussion not agenda pushing...

    • @1989SupraGuyFIN
      @1989SupraGuyFIN Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@apexinstinct not even close. You see, you don't win 7 world championships by being nice guy. And all that whining he does only show how big of an ego he has. Max is another good example of guy with big ego.

    • @kevinprior3549
      @kevinprior3549 Před 8 měsíci +4

      No doubt in my mind. Plus Kimi's teammate Montoya had a habit of imploding from nowhere. That didn't help Kimi nor McLaren neither.

  • @elta6241
    @elta6241 Před 8 měsíci +34

    The Renault was by no means slow but that McLaren was on another level in Kimi's hands. Quite often it would be on pole carrying more fuel, be faster during the race and have less tyre wear. That is pure domination on a scale that you rarely see.

  • @TheUntitled100
    @TheUntitled100 Před 8 měsíci +51

    Just on the Montoya shoulder injury, he revealed in a Beyond the Grid podcast that it was a Motocross accident rather than a tennis accident. Best guess is Montoya reckoned McLaren/Ron would've been particularly angry if they found out he was doing something as dangerous as Motocrossing, so he made the tennis story up.

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Před 8 měsíci +6

      I read it was his ankle.

    • @kevinprior3549
      @kevinprior3549 Před 8 měsíci +3

      I think Montoya was unreliable.

    • @404TVfr
      @404TVfr Před 8 měsíci +10

      ​@@kevinprior3549 nah, it was the car. You should've seen Montoya at places like Germany 2001, Monza 2001, Monaco 2003, Interlagos 2004 etc. Guy was a god damn rocket on a good day carwise.

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Před 8 měsíci +16

      He could set those BMW Williams cars up like an old CART Car. Couldn’t do that at McLaren.

    • @404TVfr
      @404TVfr Před 8 měsíci +2

      ayyy based @@AidanMillward at it again.

  • @MatthewLewisAtlanta
    @MatthewLewisAtlanta Před 8 měsíci +4

    "Not an engine but a wifi password" .....brilliant!!!😂😂😂

  • @TheSt1092
    @TheSt1092 Před 8 měsíci +33

    One of the best cars never to win either title . McLaren gave Kimi more help to win a title in 2007( in a Ferrari.) than they ever did when he was there when they let Hamilton and Alonso fall out with each other. McLaren haven't won a constructors title in so long that neither of their current drivers Norris and Piastri were born when in last happened in 1998.

  • @chanchaniceman
    @chanchaniceman Před 7 měsíci +5

    For me the McLaren mp4/20 has to be one of the greatest non championship winning car ever as well as one of Newey’s finest race cars. The speed in there is insanely impressive but also the aesthetics do really make it look quite intimidating. With its Viking horns,the huge lowered flat nose cone,the aero appendages,the front and rear wings. To top it off,Kimi’s blue and white helmets especially with that silver visor and how incredibly aggressive the exhaust notes were just adds That fast and intimidating factor.

  • @AidanMillward
    @AidanMillward  Před 8 měsíci +13

    Still trying to work out this whole new studio and lighting stuff but it’s already a hundred times better than the old place.

  • @tomslack1952
    @tomslack1952 Před 8 měsíci +2

    That car was also so drop dead gorgeous

  • @partman.partmachine.8411
    @partman.partmachine.8411 Před 8 měsíci +6

    I remember Newey talking about those wings when asked by a fan brought on to ask him questions by the ITV broadcast team that weekend. His response was, I think "They don't generate any downforce, they make the rear wing work harder."
    Jordan with a 2005 NHL anti-lockout slogan, good god they really were strapped for cash by that stage weren't they....

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Před 8 měsíci +4

      EJ had sold the team by this point and was on his yacht in Monaco not giving a fuck.

  • @ovisatma
    @ovisatma Před 8 měsíci +7

    This is my favorite Mclaren F1 car.

  • @rk-wy8pu
    @rk-wy8pu Před 8 měsíci +3

    Heartbreaking kimi years at McLaren

  • @danesorensen1775
    @danesorensen1775 Před 8 měsíci +19

    It's what Hannibal Lecter called the Deep Roller problem. McLaren under Ron Dennis went to extremes; Adrian Newey also went to extremes. Put the two together and you get a car that's cutting too close to the bone. Newey's designs worked much better when his drawings were brought into the real world by people like Patrick Head.

    • @jeremyporter7443
      @jeremyporter7443 Před 8 měsíci +3

      Id beg to differ on the Newey point. His changes in design needed for the McLaren were adopted too late due to the decision by committee that Ron had implemented following the 2004 contract debacle. Newey proved himself at both McLaren and now Red Bull that he is able to implement his designs with the right team around him as F1 is not an individual sport, especially in terms of car development. Peter Prodromou and Giles Wood were poached by Red Bull in 2008 when Newey left as he recognized their technical ability and also worked extremely well with him. Recommend reading his autobiography „How to Design a Car“, if you haven’t already.

  • @charlesvendee8111
    @charlesvendee8111 Před 7 měsíci +1

    By far one of the prettiest F1 car that was ever built ! And this sound is just fabulous !

  • @theabsolutedrive
    @theabsolutedrive Před 8 měsíci +2

    Oddly enough this got me thinking about the 2002 Monaco Grand Prix where McLaren used bidirectional telemetry to remap Coulthard’s ailing Mercedes engine halfway through the race, in which he went on to win that years Grand Prix.

  • @matthewpuleo9307
    @matthewpuleo9307 Před 8 měsíci +13

    If that Merc V10 doesn't blow up every other weekend and Kimi does take the title, I wonder if he still leaves for Ferrari. If he doesn't, that means Michael probably sticks around another couple seasons. Does he then win the 2007 or 2008 titles? What a what-if

    • @PetriHelin
      @PetriHelin Před 8 měsíci +5

      Tbh I think Kimi wins 07 either way considering how he almost beat Schumacher in 03 in a worse car

    • @matthewpuleo9307
      @matthewpuleo9307 Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@PetriHelin quite possibly, and I wonder if that would mean anything for rookie Lewis then.

    • @Hydraav2
      @Hydraav2 Před 8 měsíci +4

      I think The Michael was being pushed out of Ferrari whether Kimi came or not. Luca di Montezemolo wanted the Brawn/Todt/Schumacher trio gone.

    • @PetriHelin
      @PetriHelin Před 8 měsíci

      @@matthewpuleo9307 I think he might go to another team for a year before a 08 mclaren debut, either that or nothing changes

    • @PetriHelin
      @PetriHelin Před 8 měsíci

      @@Hydraav2 Yeah thats true, I wonder if it wouldve been Alonso instead of Kimi going to Ferrari in 07

  • @SadMarinersFan
    @SadMarinersFan Před 8 měsíci +3

    4:44. I actually asked Mark Presley about this in one of his Q&A videos and he said they were for directing air to the rear wing, saying McLaren wouldn't waste development time on a trap for other teams.

  • @dward596
    @dward596 Před 8 měsíci +4

    The MP4-20 is my all time favourite f1 car. Stupidly fast, just too fragile 😭

  • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
    @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Před 8 měsíci +13

    The MP4-20 in monza spec is my one of my favourite car of all time in f1 history (at worst top 2 with the MP4-22 also in Monza spec) it was such an awesome car..... when it worked
    Kimi should have easily won the title year that version of Kimi could go toe to toe with anyone in the history of the sport for greatest ever driver peak for peak

  • @McLarenMercedes
    @McLarenMercedes Před 8 měsíci +1

    Kimi and the MP4--20 was a match made in heaven.
    In my mind he was the spiritual champion.
    The MP4-20 was "the last of the V10 Interceptors - a piece of history" (paraphrasing Max Max 2)
    Oh, and as you no doubt have guessed that's the MP4-20 in my avatar. And Kimi.

  • @sdx3918
    @sdx3918 Před 8 měsíci +2

    The glass cannon of Formula 1.

  • @AeroGuy07
    @AeroGuy07 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I've heard those V10 engines at Indy. And when I say heard, I mean I felt them.

  • @raptor1672
    @raptor1672 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I've been watching F1 since the mid 80s and this car is my favourite, it was such a beautiful blinding quick beast. Also to be honest the R25 was a great looking car too, the livery not so much.....

  • @skojuzija
    @skojuzija Před 8 měsíci +3

    Its kinda crazy to think that the rule before 20 years ago was that engine must last only 1 race weekend.

  • @BLKBRDD
    @BLKBRDD Před 5 měsíci

    Despite its issues I wish Mclaren would use this car at goodwood. It was the that had so much potential and was glorious when it worked. And it looked and sounded brutal.

  • @VonBlade
    @VonBlade Před 8 měsíci +1

    Blackstar. The sound in your head. (I've got an early HT, it's epic). And now back to motorsport.

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Před 8 měsíci +1

      My parents came down and brought my 4x12 Marshall cab with them. Would have been rude not to stack them.

  • @jebediahgentry7029
    @jebediahgentry7029 Před 8 měsíci

    The Star Trek reference was on point.. Another great video!

  • @PravdaPavel
    @PravdaPavel Před 8 měsíci

    I love the way that you write those Star Trek references in your videos. Great video as well!

  • @Targeting-Must-End
    @Targeting-Must-End Před 5 měsíci

    One of my Favourite F1 cars of all Time

  • @minibus9
    @minibus9 Před 8 měsíci

    excelent video

  • @sethlouden2529
    @sethlouden2529 Před 8 měsíci

    That sound is so good

  • @rosegraham5283
    @rosegraham5283 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Another car that reminds me of the MP4-20 is the Subaru Impreza S6 WRC2000. That car was the fastest car of the 2000 season and when the car worked, it dominated with ease by Richard Burns and Robert Reid. The car was unreliable and if it worked, it would have easily won the drivers and constructor's championship. This Impreza is pretty much the WRC equivalent to the MP4-20 and the 1967 Lotus 49.

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Před 8 měsíci +1

      Then the following year Burnsie won ❤️

    • @rosegraham5283
      @rosegraham5283 Před 8 měsíci

      @@AidanMillward One of my favourite moments during my childhood.

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@rosegraham5283 that signed scale model I have was the eBay find of the century.

    • @rosegraham5283
      @rosegraham5283 Před 8 měsíci

      @@AidanMillward I envy you for owning that signed 1999 Impreza model.

  • @gordonwallin2368
    @gordonwallin2368 Před 8 měsíci

    Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.

  • @diggysdungeon
    @diggysdungeon Před 8 měsíci

    That season was so exciting because you never knew whether Kimi would make it to the end, so the whole boring dominance issue never came up. Kimi in 05 was like Max this year if Max had maybe a 40% chance of making the end of the race. It was a really special dynamic and I love the car for that.

  • @annettecurtain7123
    @annettecurtain7123 Před 8 měsíci

    car that made me fall in love with f1

  • @MrSaintRaptor
    @MrSaintRaptor Před 8 měsíci

    The 2005 quali in Monaco was mind blowing.
    And it may be the reason I love the Single lap shoot out in Quali

  • @ordinaryvids1685
    @ordinaryvids1685 Před 8 měsíci

    That car’s inconsistency definitely have some 420 vibes

  • @321-Gone
    @321-Gone Před 8 měsíci +1

    I like to new talking head framing and look. The jokes often are corny but the info is always great. I remember the videos per-copywrite problem you had. They were outstanding. I know, if you could afford the pictures and videos you'd want, your videos would be awesome.

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Před 8 měsíci +2

      Just means I get to re-do them all and break the bigger ones into more detailed sub episodes.
      It actually worked out well.

  • @TOMLINBISH
    @TOMLINBISH Před 8 měsíci

    I've now got to get used to your new right profile! 🙂

  • @slaviiliev3868
    @slaviiliev3868 Před 8 měsíci

    The most beautiful car ever!

  • @ChrisHopkinsBass
    @ChrisHopkinsBass Před 8 měsíci

    After that Delta Quadrant reference, I'm pining for the MP7/9 :)

  • @therrydicule
    @therrydicule Před 8 měsíci +1

    I find ironic because in the 1980s McLaren was winning not because they were always the fastest... But because anything faster was not reliable, and everything else was slower.
    And they kind of forgot that lesson over time...

  • @mashandpeas
    @mashandpeas Před 8 měsíci

    Thanks

  • @kevinprior3549
    @kevinprior3549 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I remember De La Rosa's performance in Bahrain in 2005. Was a really exciting and strong drive by Montoya's sub.

    • @Meodread
      @Meodread Před 8 měsíci

      Wurz' San Marino run as well. McLaren had an enviable reserve driver roster at the time.

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Před 8 měsíci +2

      Wurz was an underrated driver of massive proportions.

    • @Meodread
      @Meodread Před 8 měsíci +1

      @@AidanMillward There was something werid about him as a driver. His Benetton spell had such a confusing drop off.
      Went from on par to usually beating Fisi (race pace, Q pace no) in 98 to getting taken behind the wood shed in 99 and 2000.

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Před 8 měsíci

      @@Meodread Benetton dropped off pretty hard after 1998.

    • @Meodread
      @Meodread Před 8 měsíci

      @@AidanMillward Agreed I'm purely talking teammate battle.
      Bennetton went from 4th best car at the start of 98 to like............8th fastest by the end of 2000 and even worse to start 2001 despite a really solid driver lineup.
      I just mean he went from being on par with Fisi to start 98 to well laughably number 2 by the end of the partnership in a care that wasn't really changing.

  • @Renard998
    @Renard998 Před 8 měsíci

    Fragile Rocketship sounds like a great name for a prog-rock band 😁

  • @LaCorvette
    @LaCorvette Před 8 měsíci

    Damn I miss the V10s. Even if they were slower. This and 04 was peak F1 imo, but each to their own.

  • @The_ZeroLine
    @The_ZeroLine Před 2 měsíci

    Luckily, the better driver won the 05 WDC. Look how badly FA smashed Kimi as a teammate. Basically, beat him in every single quali & race + scored more 3x his points. I like how the MP4-20 gave Kimi viking horns.

  • @321-Gone
    @321-Gone Před 8 měsíci

    3:05 - The contral arm mounting point on the chassis is a flexing piece of titanium. Not a swiveling joint like an A-arm on normal cars. F1 cars don't have much suspension travel and the races are short comparatively. So the flexing sold joint doesn't have enough time to fatigue
    The V10's really where a Swiss watch makers dream. Exotic metals and precision.

  • @thethomascobbgroup5001
    @thethomascobbgroup5001 Před 8 měsíci

    8:11 It was already in the rules that you could change a tyre deemed dangerous if you could prove it. James Allen said on commentary that Raikkonen should have come in and changed it and that he'd still have got a podium if he had.

  • @Holanduzo
    @Holanduzo Před 8 měsíci

    10:32 I would say the Williams FW14, but they were on pair IMO

  • @Duval-In-The-Wall
    @Duval-In-The-Wall Před 8 měsíci +1

    Imagine if Kimi was given the 2007 McLaren, a car with no almost no reliability failures. Would have been like heaven for him

    • @e-money9251
      @e-money9251 Před 8 měsíci

      I mean he did get one, it’s called the ferrari f2007

    • @Duval-In-The-Wall
      @Duval-In-The-Wall Před 8 měsíci

      @@e-money9251
      Nope, retired with engine failure in Spain

  • @King_Goat_JJ
    @King_Goat_JJ Před 8 měsíci

    A story time idea, 2005 San Marino where the Michael was taking two seconds a lap out of JB & Alonso after qualifying P13

  • @ednedjari6062
    @ednedjari6062 Před 8 měsíci

    Aidan please play some more of that Merc engine noise...it took me took long to climax....

  • @AntoniusTyas
    @AntoniusTyas Před 8 měsíci

    New camera? Looks sharper than your previous footage.

  • @mrkipling2201
    @mrkipling2201 Před 8 měsíci +1

    That engine noise should be illegal!!

  • @joewegen8928
    @joewegen8928 Před 8 měsíci

    WE SEE AIDANS FACE AGAIN!!!

  • @RACECAR
    @RACECAR Před 8 měsíci

    "And if you found the one person that actually liked that rule, they're lying"
    ..So can I have them arrested? I might've found two of them.

  • @sleebanger
    @sleebanger Před 8 měsíci

    thank god i grew up in the V12/ V10 era.

  • @lucianp87
    @lucianp87 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I'll always be bitter about this lost title.😂

  • @bodavid5873
    @bodavid5873 Před 8 měsíci

    Can you make a video about alboreto in the 1985 season?

  • @chrisdavidson911
    @chrisdavidson911 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Kimi deserved this championship, but McLaren didn’t.

  • @GaryWagers
    @GaryWagers Před 8 měsíci

    As an Alonso fan at the time, I lived for those McLaren car failures. That was Renault's only hope practically every weekend. A note about the tire-induced suspension failure at the Nurburgring: As I recall, there was already a precedent for changing tires during the weekend if it posed a safety risk--I think Ferrari had to change one in the first race in Australia, but I could be misremembering--but there was nothing codified about it until after the Raikkonen crash, I think.

    • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
      @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Před 4 měsíci

      It was Spain that Michael had 2 tire failures they changed the tires the first and retired the car the second time

  • @alexshank1414
    @alexshank1414 Před 7 měsíci

    A perfect example of a car too perfect to work. Everything on it was state of the art and untested. It was the fastest, but unreliable. Reliability is key in F1.

  • @Slider5320
    @Slider5320 Před 8 měsíci

    I think Newey was right to leave for RB. Mclaren were on their way up at this point, but Newey was so frustrated, he has been better off at RB and has a much better relationship with Christian Horner.
    His genius on the aerodynamics though. Such a legend

  • @littletweeter1327
    @littletweeter1327 Před 2 měsíci

    McLaren was throwing with reliability. Kimi should be a 3x WDC.

  • @Svlaka
    @Svlaka Před 8 měsíci

    At Imola 2005, Schumacher was catching up and pushing Alonso only because the Renault engine was turned down.

  • @Dexmente
    @Dexmente Před 8 měsíci

    Is there any story time/ analysis of Montoya's hand and its consequences?

    • @mwvidz324
      @mwvidz324 Před 8 měsíci

      Montoya's hand and its consequences have been a disaster for Montoya's race.
      Just a title suggestion.

  • @km6832
    @km6832 Před 8 měsíci

    Those horns probably created vortecies and directed air towards the wing so yea.

  • @saintuk70
    @saintuk70 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Oh that Voyager ref, can we get Janeway in for Stroll or likes?

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Před 8 měsíci +1

      I need a Star Trek emote. Maybe Garak.

    • @saintuk70
      @saintuk70 Před 8 měsíci

      @@AidanMillward one of the best ST characters - make it so.

  • @wabba67
    @wabba67 Před 8 měsíci

    Adding to the mechanical woes, it seemed that during the latter part of the season JPM also was on a mission to help Renault (crash in Spa, being overtaken in Turkey). Definitely did not help in WDC nor WCC.

    • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
      @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Před 8 měsíci

      In fairness Spa he got taken out but Turkey when he was being careless lapping the jordan also Japan as well
      Without those incidents McLaren wins the constructors despite all the reliability woes

  • @ALPHABYTE64
    @ALPHABYTE64 Před 8 měsíci

    2012 Mc`laren also way quick but wasted potential

  • @DiscGolfLeagueMVP
    @DiscGolfLeagueMVP Před 8 měsíci

    nyoom

  • @crystalracing4794
    @crystalracing4794 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Kimi could've won 13 races in this car without the problems

  • @fastmclaren71
    @fastmclaren71 Před 4 měsíci

    The horns must have done something. The extra weight and higher centre of mass would have been a big no, no.

  • @fgtrhwu2
    @fgtrhwu2 Před 8 měsíci

    2003 and 2005 should been Kimi's title if they were just that little bit more consistent

  • @machine85
    @machine85 Před 8 měsíci

    Didn’t the merc engine keep blowing up because of the beryllium ban.

    • @machine85
      @machine85 Před 8 měsíci

      I correct myself the ban was in 2001

  • @jakubklinger2289
    @jakubklinger2289 Před 8 měsíci

    MP4/27 was also the fastest car in net pace but very fragile. I recon Hamilton lost at least 4 wins by DNFs.

  • @yudhabagaskara98
    @yudhabagaskara98 Před 8 měsíci

    mclaren had its best weekend in japan but it's too late

  • @leskouts2
    @leskouts2 Před 7 měsíci

    In the 2000s McLaren lost championships as opposed to winning them... If that makes sense

  • @AdamMGTF
    @AdamMGTF Před 8 měsíci

    ❤@5:50... Should come with a 18+ warning and proof everyone involved was a consenting adult.

  • @Seasonstobecheerful
    @Seasonstobecheerful Před 8 měsíci +1

    Snoop dog , really 😂

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Před 8 měsíci +1

      As 420 jokes go it’s under the radar.

  • @nordimejia5790
    @nordimejia5790 Před 8 měsíci

    i dont know why... but I prefered your videos when you did not appear on them. When you were just voice over

  • @LordGeoffery
    @LordGeoffery Před 8 měsíci

    I play that AC mod so much. Probably my favourite open wheeler to drive atm

  • @Locomattive8572
    @Locomattive8572 Před 8 měsíci

    I think McLarens from 2005 to 2012 where just frustrating, each one (maybe not 2009) was good car let down by poor reliability or unconventional design that made them fragile but fast.

  • @Strangegloves
    @Strangegloves Před 8 měsíci

    I swear this was a mclaren blueprint from like 97 to 06 build bad fast cars that are really unreliable.......

  • @Jorge.Painkiller
    @Jorge.Painkiller Před 7 měsíci

    Isn't this the only F1 car to win more than 50% of the races and not win either Championship?

  • @mrkipling2201
    @mrkipling2201 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I'm sorry but McLaren went slowly downhill when they got rid of the red and white Marlboro colour scheme on the chassis. I just couldn't get used to the change. It was like Cardiff City having their shirts changed from blue, which they'd been for decades, to red. Thanks to their new Malaysian owners.

  • @yasinsenturk9008
    @yasinsenturk9008 Před 8 měsíci

    What happened to MP 4-18? 😂

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Před 8 měsíci +1

      It was a death trap so they binned it off and ran something else.

  • @kevinprior3549
    @kevinprior3549 Před 8 měsíci +2

    I think Alonso was a lucky double world champion. McLarens was faster than Renault, but unreliable in 2005. And M Schumacher would have been 8x champ had his engine didnt go at Suzuka in 2006.

    • @peterfighter
      @peterfighter Před 8 měsíci +2

      No he wouldn't. Even if his engine doesn't blow up in Japan, Alonso still wins the championship by 1 point. And if we want to be fair, we need to take into account Alonso's engine failure at Monza when he was 3rd and wheelnut failure at Hungary when he was racing for victory with Button.

    • @reptongeek
      @reptongeek Před 8 měsíci

      And of course the biggest what if. What if Michael hadn't parked at Rascasse. He finished fifth from a pit lane start. He could have won that race and the cascade effect from that result could have won the WDC

  • @areasquirrel
    @areasquirrel Před 8 měsíci

    Last McLaren with 'my' livery, as the 'all tobacco except Phillip Morris' ban kicked in mid-season. To me, West is McLaren. Not Marlboro, never was Marlboro, never will be Marlboro, that's Ferrari, you weirdos! 😉
    '05 was so frustrating. Michael wasn't winning anymore, so I ought to have been having a blast, but... Nope, Kimi's out again. Fernando dominated by accident that year. Then came the word that Newey's heading for Red Bull. "Wow, he's never going to win again." I thought. Yeah... I made that same error with Honda and Red Bull, but surely others did too, I mean we'd all seen the horror show they'd had with McLaren, right?
    Hungary was a particular memory in '05. The 'holiday race' that year, so highlights, not live. Last race I watched with my Granda, who lost interest with no Irish presence on the grid following the departure of Jordan. Michael on pole and podium, and Kimi won, so everybody was happy.

    • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
      @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Před 4 měsíci

      Funnily enough the race you mentioned was even the last race in f1 sponsored by a tobacco company and the last race ever that had the full McLaren West sponsorship in a race weekend (for the Friday at least)
      Last time we saw those Marlboro trophies which were just Ferrari steering wheel replicas lol

  • @Scotracer1987
    @Scotracer1987 Před 8 měsíci

    I don't know why people like this car. The 2005 cars were hideous with the reg changes. The 2006 cars helped a bit as the cars got more svelte to remove drag (due to less engine power and smaller engine/cooling needs).

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  Před 8 měsíci +2

      Because it was an absolute weapon on paper with all those numbers it was chucking out.

  • @thatguyfromcetialphaV
    @thatguyfromcetialphaV Před 8 měsíci

    2005 was more Kimi's car breaking down than Alonso winning the title. Fernando win it by tootling around waiting for the McLaren to conk out. Not a worthy championship imo