Fault finding at an Indian restaurant | Thomas Nagy
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That place is super clean all around. I'm impressed. If I wasn't 6000 miles away, I'd eat there.
I’m definitely going to head back there for a meal! Super clean kitchen and good looking food 👍🏻
Maybe they'll deliver 😊
I've eaten there, and both the food and the establishment are as Tom described - clean, good quality, good value. Pity I'm moving further away!
Yup excellent load monitoring assessment and feedback more CT load monitoring will help in future to question of faulty meters are a more common problem or not. Clean kitchens and toilets in a restaurant tell you very quickly how you would want to eat there or not.
@@tncorgi92 I don't think they do liver.
Underfloor heating is ridiculously expensive it’d be cheaper for them to buy each customer slippers
I'm surprised they haven't bypassed the meter that's what they normally do, now let's see them stiff you on the bill.
@@coyote5735 they as in installers of underfloor heating or they as in a takeaway?
Never find any faults with our local Indian resturant takeaway, apart from the weight I've put on. Chicken dhansak my fav. :-)
Bloody hell Tom…. When you walked out with that back pack on looked like you was doing a delivery for them 🤣 🚚
😂😂😂😂
@@thomasnagy Nagyliveroo
With the bucket truck they wouldn't even need to come down the stairs to grab the food it would go straight through the upstairs window as well
@@olivertaylor3410 pmsl
@@olivertaylor3410 Great idea : D LOL
As an apprentice I found this video very useful never come across a job like this, not something you tend to think about. Thanks
I’m glad it was useful :)
I'm not even a spark and i get people going there is no way i am using that much.
Ask them how many lights they use at night and which ones and how long each room is lit for.
Sure enough 3 100 watt lamps in one fitting run 4 to 6 hours a day and that was just one room.
Adam when are you going to start working for Nagy?
@@ratbag359 - I can raise you one, try explaining to people about their decorative light that uses a 300W quartz halogen linear lamp. Just to light one room…
The 90A is probably not a continuous load once up to temperature. Still a lot of power though!
Electric underfloor heating…in a commercial setting? Interesting
Nice to see back to the original style videos Tom.
I live in Hemel Hempstead, K2 is by far the best indian restaurant in the area and amazing service.
Lovely view of an Indian restaurant while I’m getting ready to visit one with my clan here in the Midlands. Love it 👏🏽
brilliant vid thomas and yet more great content
Aww, wanted to see you navigate magic roundabout just down the road!
That's really local to us - we're there a few times a year when we want a nice Indian for a birthday or special occasion, food is on point every time!
Tom I’ve worked it out and if they’re charged at a rate of 14p per kWh and they have the underfloor heating on 8 hours a day it’s costing them £23 alone on the underfloor heating.
If they’re open 7 days a week = £161.70
Each month = £646.80
Each year = £7761.60
Safe to say a wet system would be far cheaper
And that's a pretty generous (low) rate, might be more like 16p kWh or more
it will be on mostly on the winter , so it would be around 2k 3k maybe, its still a lot
And IIRC they’ll pay VAT at the higher rate? And the Climate Change Levy thing on top too? Long time since I looked at commercial energy as it’s part of my service charge in the current building…
Pay back for when they were paying a tenth of the price to the grid lol
Wish my elec was only 14p!
The dishwasher & combi oven is usually the biggest energy guzzler in a commercial kitchen. Chefs leave them on all day
A meter that was undercharging by 90%. Order me a dozen!
Thanks for sharing
Round my neck of the woods! Nice to see some local videos :)
8:15 - fire alarm panel looks like it's in fire condition, bloody silenced and left 🥴🥴🥴 I'm a fire alarm engineer and notice these things 😂😂
If you press and hold the select button on the meter for 2 seconds, it will bring up the SET A menu which shows volts, amps, kVA, kw, power factor etc
Very interesting video - I wouldn't want their electricity bill ! 😬😬😬 The place looked super clean and well looked after too.
Thanks mate, much appreciated :)
Had something similar once where client had solar installed and payed for it to be 3 phase, got called to look at consumption as it was very high but they had only put it on 1 phase…. But yet again many halogen lights etc
Thank you Thomas.
Hemel my near home turf. Loads of work going on round there and Luton, Dunstable.
Ah, but the question is: Alternating curry or direct curry?
Alternating going in, direct coming out
@@ccx806 Comment of the week!!
That was a really interesting video for me.
Apparently 1 watt used all year round costs £1, try flog them LED alternatives to what they have got now Tom.
I do FTCH, first time central heating in one day, (one dayers) in northern England an i find these videos fascinating. Ive no idea what hes talking about but i love it
Used to pass this place when working, always fancied going in for a meal.
I used to do the accuracy tests on these. Energy supplier is obliged to test them for the customer. If it’s ok a charge is issued, if it’s at fault there is no charge. Also you can do a basic check my measuring the draw with CT Clamps to gauge the usage, then count the impulse lights on the meter. Each impulse will denote a certain amount of current. This will be written on each specific meter. The more it blinks the more it costs
I've eaten there a few times. It's good food in nice surroundings.
Great work
Entertaining and informative. Thanks.
Excellent video and not something that would normally be seen on this type of channel.Did you end up writing them a consumption report ?
Great place hope they can sort the wasted heating out
Been there many times great restaurant and people highly recommended
Used to run a m&e firm specialising in the catering sector. How there are so few restaurants that blow up or burn down is a mystery to me. The standards are lower than a snakes belly at anywhere other than the big chains.
Great vid thanks for sharing.
Great video 👌
I have service at a resturent, they are using around 450amps when everything is heating up on each phase at 240/400V, they do not use gas, the fryer alone is 125amp...
Usage audit jobs can suck! Like you say, you can't do much with the meter. So you just run the electric in the various modes of operation as you think the scenarios would dictate. You did a great job on that one.
90amps in the underfloor is absolutely insane!! That’s like 3 electric showers running all day!! Pablo Escobar once burnt cash to say warm and that’s what those guys are doing lol 😂
I’ve eaten at K2 many of times beautiful place with friendly staff
Everyone loves a bit of "fault finiding" :)
I hope that was by accident, actually made me try and say that in an Indian accent 😂
Further detailed investigation 🕵🏻♂️😂
If anyone is sure their meter is over reading then they should contact supplier to fit a check meter.
That restaurant is pulling more energy than the sun...🤣🌞
Hemel Hempstead was the home of Kodak UK. The big building at the twin roundabouts. X-ray service engineer for many years with Kodak Ireland. 🙂🇮🇪☘️
Another Great video, it would be nice to see the underfloor heating with a thermal imaging camera. Would a fault with the heating like bad connections cause that massive draw?
Bet they are gutted they changed the meter now! 🤣
Must be a common thing with these takeaways ... been to many when the electric board has cut them off and we install a generator till they don't pay the rental or gas oil fuel and you know when its really bad when the electric board dig out the whole supply out of the ground ... even had the call. generator running but no supply ... someone has cut the cables and stolen them
Wouldn’t the underground heating will draw a lot less once it’s up to temp ?
Used to be £1 per watt per year that was when it was 12p per Kwh
So just that lighting will cost 3k a year..but its around 16p per Kwh so even more.
That’s 24/7 through, the lighting will be on 8 hours a day max.
@@chrisb4009 correct, who knows how long they are on for.
Greetings from the other side of the pond long time viewer and commentator LOL
And send button early you are a very good chap to put it in your lingo LOL but I'm doing what the proper person does for dysfunctional family in other words a friend's father regardless of what I will get paid if I get paid so I just started watching your video and this came to my head keep up the good work keep your feet dry and electricity is shocking LOL
That is my local Indian restaurant and its amazing. 100% worth a visit. 👍🏻👍🏻
They will love LED lights. Used to go a church about 19 yrs ago that had electric under floor heating. It used about $400 AU a month, I've no idea what the current draw was, but it was a lot! Sell em LED lights and install them too!
I had that happen with my gas, they put auto read heads in and didn’t match up the armitures correctly and I got billed basic charges until it was coreccted
I’m a little surprised you didn’t check under floor heating straight away , it’s obvious anything over a small bathroom it should never be used to heat a room .
I gotta say, the bangladeshi/Asian curry houses are very hospitable when you work at their places. They always feed you nice and tasty food out of courtesy when you've done a job for them.
We had a tenant complain about a remote meter reading too high we put in a landlord meter in and after two months were within one digit.
How about replacing those outdoor floodlights (and the interior ones too) with LEDs?
love the videos tom, keep it up :)
That underfloor uses more power than is available to my home!?! 😳
Never seen electric UFH in a commercial building before as it would cost to much to run , it's usually hot & cold AC units......👍
That's expensive underfloor heating 😮😮😮
Omg no way I live in Hemel k2 is an amazing restaurant that’s so cool
The flat upstairs had some 'Herbal' gardening
Think you have done as much as you can on that visit. If they have a meter dispute. His supplier can perform a meter test. Normally a check meter or load test. And if they remain unhappy, an independent Meter Examiner can take it away for testing. They will follow the procedure outlined in Schedule 7 of the Electricity Act 1998. It should be noted that the Meter Examiner result is legally binding as per the Act. They basically need to speak with their supplier. From what you have done on that visit, I too am satisfied there is nothing wrong. Can’t quite remember the exact stats but the majority of meter tests come back as accurate.
one problem we have here with the new digital meters is incorrect rate setup,
and sometimes two meters with same property ids.
but those are easy to work out hard to get supplier to listen.
@@ratbag359 That kind of error can be checked by just confirming the units / kWh match the reading on your meter and then doing a calculation + the TAX
@@unknowndomain exactly.
Looks like the K2 have given you a mountain to climb!
It probably such a nice place because they have had a 90% discount for so long on the electric.
You should have got a free meal there deffo Tom , if he turns that heating off like you say , get rads in the room , change all the lighting to low energy, he will see a massive electricity usage drop , so much so he will probably get a visit from the electric board 🤣🤣🤣
I'd like to know the actual monthly bill! Just an observation with the energy monitor - they don't transmit very well if mounted on a metal surface.
If they're worried about billing they should just request a check meter install
LED is the answer!
Did you at least reset the fire alarm on the way out 😂
What was the brand and model of the wifi energy meter?
Wait? there are meters that only report a 1/10 of your actually usage? WTF would anyone design a meter like that?
It was most likely a very old meter that lost its accuracy over time.
Always nice when an elec-chicken says he was shocked :')
Looks like a nice gaff! My local Indian got fined 80K for using the gas after it was condemned haha
It's crazy
I just checked you could come here in about the same time it would take you to get to Balham?
Should we be contacting you if we want any electrical work done?
We would definitely NOT have an issue with you documenting everything
And even if you didn't want the job we might still want to employ your consultancy skills given our ongoing plans in respect of climate adaption & use as an a production space.
Id usually say indian resturant rat damage lol... But in all fairness that place is clean... Loving the regular content... Good to have you back👍
they have their rodentikil rat traps near the bins and in the car park too, baited traps
with the amount of hot air the kitchen produce, a heat exchanger would be a good option
a heat pump in the kitchen ? would that work ?
@@memecoinmafia2732 I meant a Heat recovery ventilation unit...it heats up the cold air coming from the outside with the hot air that is leaving the building
@@FreeOnGoal good idea
1st Fault entering the restaurant
90 amps floor heating, is it winter there?
That floor heating is half their electric bill 😅
I thought the 5 kw/h I use to have to burn in my unit before the insulation was installed (now it's 2-3kw) was bad, 90 amps, fuck me, thats like, 21.6 KW :O
Mental note, never install electric underflaw heating
Just a thought. They aren't on an increased tariff to pay off their arrears?
Blimey! Looks like they seriously need a lesson in energy management!
That's the best Indian in the area, I love it.
Hello,
Do you have to be vaccinated against Covid in order to be able to do your electrician work ?
I ask because I assume restaurant workers and customers are required to have all their shots and since you may be called to fix restaurants electrical systems, I don't know...
(BTW I don't live in the UK, hence my question).
It would be interesting to moitor for 24 hours or better still, 7 days
Not a fan of electric under floor heating or any electric heating, the running cost is so much more than gas.
People install electric under floor heating because it's cheap, but it's not cheap to run.
What about air or ground source heat pumps?
the builder wont care because hes selling the house not living in it
@@Sparks0001 what about them, they are no good for the majority of the homes in the country, if you have a modern build with under floor heating and super insulated you will be ok.
But I have heard horror stories with those homes as well, with bills massively high.
Then you have the issue with your incoming supply, ground source could be 50amp, electric cooker 40amp, car charger 32amp, electric shower 40amp, power lighting, white goods, etc etc, nice and toastie main fuse.
@Toby Sinclair-Bell - Take a look at Roger Bisby's (Skill Builder) channel. He's no fan of air or ground source heat pumps in conventional residential properties.
@@tomtreacy1545 he's no fan of air sourced. He hasn't said anything against ground source. His contention is that as it gets colder it becomes much harder to extract heat & similarly to expend heat when hotter with air conditioning.
The difference with ground source is the temperature is always the same summer or winter, but the up front drill cost is substantially higher
I suspect it bait & switch bring people in with ground sourced but sell them air sourced as being almost as good but way cheaper!
A better solution is to upgrade the floor and walls with external insulation. Have a look at Matt Risingers channels
that many lights... the monthly usage would probably pay for the replacement to LEDs
When you went through the kWh the phases was massively unbalanced.
Unbalanced phases will increase your bill :)
Isn’t this the future energy costs we all have to look forward to when Boris bans gas boilers?
If your worried about this the Fully Charged CZcams are just about to do a series on all the options for home owners from Next Week I think.
If you watch skill Builder on CZcams he has significant concerns about sterling pump based air sourced heat pumps. But Hopefully air source heat pumps will improve. Alternatively ground source is much, much better albeit expensive.
There are also ways of manufacturing green gas by using the methane as a carrier mechanism for green (made from renewable energy) hydrogen.
The problem for hydrogen in cars is the compression/transport costs.
But we could even just stop pumping oil derived gas and make methane from Green Hydrogen & CO2
Hope that helps??
@@justignoreme7725 I’ll keep an eye out for the fully charge channel sounds interesting... I’ve already seen the skills builder & his concerns with air sourced heat pumps. Along with the need to design houses with this in mind from the start, retro fitting to most uk homes sounds impractical & expensive, especially as the trend more recently has been to install radiators using micro bore pipes which don’t have the flow rates needed, hence comment about gas boilers. As you say ground source is better but expensive & also produces an annoying hum 24/7 as I found recently when I stayed at a cottage with ground source pumps. I’ve read a little bit about hydrogen recently, not heard of it been produced via methane with have a look into that... thanks
Well, the first thing that people should do to reduce energy costs, is to try and reduce heat loss from properties during cold weather. So that means significantly improving the insulation. Fitting better double or triple glazing. That sort of thing. Then less energy is needed to keep the place at a reasonable temperature.
@@Mark1024MAK I’ve got a architectural glass roof in my kitchen. I had a choice of 3 types of glass, all double glazed.
The first one was normal clear glass used on standard double glazing units.
The second one was Argon gas filled in the cavity which gives a blue tint.
The third one was a coated glass with argon and reflective sheen which was the most efficient but the most expensive. I’m talking like £3000 more than the middle option of argon filled.
I calculated the energy cost saving from heat loss between the 2nd and 3rd option vs the extra price to pay for gas to heat up the room.
In 20 years, I’d spend only about £1200 extra on gas to heat the kitchen by choosing the 2nd option over the 3rd option.
I’ve actually saved £1800 by choosing the middle option rather than max efficiency glass.
Triple glazing is good, but only if you save money on gas over a short period. Otherwise it’s not worth the extra expense.
@@fitzyraz - I’m not criticising anyone. Most people will only spend what they think is a reasonable amount.
Action is really required by governments to make it more affordable for better insulation/better double glazing to be a real option for people to choose. And to improve building regulations so that new builds are more energy efficient.
The question is, if there were more sales of the better energy saving gazing, would the price per window come down?
And when people work out the cost of heating, we just don’t know which way the price of gas and electricity is going in the medium or long term.
We, as a nation, are very reliant on gas for heating and cooking (including my home). Heating using electricity is expensive. So what happens if gas is phased out? Lots of questions, but not any easy answers…
Like a hello kitchen episode
That’s about £3/hr to run the underfloor heating.
much nicer than my local one. sockets in the kitchen soaked in fat
If the loads are balanced across L1,L2 and L3 would they not get a better rate. Your readings on them where all very different and miles apart. i'm no expert in this but it's something i have heard about for commercial.
Had a feeling about the in floor heating.....
Did you see the floor glowing when you turned the lights off?
90 kWh x 9hrs = 810 kWh per day
That's about £100 plus just for underfloor heating 😃
90 amps, not 90 kWh or kW. That's around 21 kW or 190 per day. Bad enough I'd say.
@@Ragnar8504 praise the lord