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Join me as I take you for a very QUICK overview of what's involved with an annual service at the Newell Service Center in Miami, OK.
I apologize for the rapid pace and not getting into a lot more detail. The days were CRAZY busy with problems, chasing down parts, rain, and all sorts of distractions...hence this video taking months to release!
Awesome that you take care of this coach the way you do. When someone spend the amount of money theses coaches cost, it is very important to take care of them.
Couldnât agree more, Hector. And quite frankly, the older coaches need to have more love as things start to age. But these coaches DESERVE to be cared for to not just keep them in top condition, but also to maintain their value for future owners! Thank you for your comment!
Great video and very important advice. Beautiful coach.
Thank very much, Clark. Appreciate the compliments!
Love this kind of stuff... I`m the same way with my vehicles, on a much smaller scale of course, could never afford one of these Newell`s but I can dream. Stay well.
Thank you; so glad you enjoyed and watched. Never stop dreaming and looking, there are many Newells out there that may fit your dream-budget! Take care.
Thanks for sharing, it is very wise to bring your coach in to Newell
Yes Randy; theyâre the BEST!
Thank you for the video. You highlighted many things about annual service that hadn't occurred to me but are very important. For example, checking the amperage draw on the AC units makes a lot of sense and could avoid a fire from too high of a draw.
Glad it was helpful, Duncan. Thank you for watching!
@@RVSquaredSteve My pleasure. I'm sub'd đ Good luck with your channel.
Thank you very much!!
+1 ... Nice to hear from an actual Newell Coach owner. .. Question: The Cumming's engine output of 600hp & 2,000 Ft. pound's of torque? Does this extra power come in handy? .. Can't help but question the smaller Volvo D13 engines output of 500hp & 1,750 Ft. pounds of torque; As OEM in the Prevost bus conversion chassis. . Cheers, Vail, Colorado
Thank you! Yes, the CUMMINS ISX is 600hp and the X15 is 605hp, and the 1950ft.lb. of torque makes a HUGE difference towing up grades. Wonât find a single person who will disagree that the ISX/X15 is superior for power over the D13.
More videos please on the care of your Newell please⊠love them!!
Will do, Mia. Thanks for watching!
I read your comments and I agree the way your are thinking (50 amp plug to another 50 amp plug). I am looking into coach 1247, It may be our next coach if it pass inspection.
Thanks for watching, but I'm not sure of what "comments about a 50 amp plug" you are referring to? Good luck on 1247!
Ty again glad to see you still have your coach would of missed you videos and knowledge safe and happy thanksgiving
So nice of you to say, Marc! Appreciate the viewing and kind words. The best Thanksgiving to you as well.
FantĂĄstico Servicio!
ÂĄGracias!
Hi Steve, I just had another thought on this video and the topic of measuring amperage draw on things like AC units... What would you think about having an ammeter plumbed into the electrical bay with a "Momentary" on the high draw circuits? (A momentary switch that would handle high amperage may be difficult to find but easy to wire.) It would be a super quick way of toggling through different systems to verify that they were operating within manufacturer tolerances. To take it one step further, the process could actually be automated with an Arduino and some basic programming to run a periodic diagnostic of those circuits with alarms as required. (I know - I'm geeking out now - lol.)
Hi Duncan. Yeah, youâre definitely geekin out with some interesting ideas. My experience and research has been that any attempts to âget in middleâ of the Newellâs circuitry will be met with other challenges. I think to reward may. It be worth the effort and risk; especially with the newer Intrepid-based coaches.
@@RVSquaredSteve Hi Steve, after giving it more thought, the obvious way to do this on an Intrepid-based Newell system would be some simple device monitors and a bit of code. This would be simple for them (i.e Newell) to do. For a Silverleaf system, I'm fairly sure it would also be a simple addition for a tech who is knowledgeable about using and programming this management system. I see it as being useful for many reasons. In the case of an AC unit, it could be due to something as simple as blocked filters... It is also a safety enhancement for a breaker or fuse that doesn't go on a circuit with an increased draw. There seems to be a lot of focus on fire-extinguishing solutions such as Proteng (or others using FM-200) but not a lot on preventing the root cause of fires. IMHO. Lots to consider. đ
Agree with you; lots to consider. And, yes, Iâm a big fan of fire âpreventionâ as well as extinguishment! đ
Monitoring systems are getting âbetterâ, but still may lag for us techies who are used to have lots of data.
Great video!
Why are new Newell's mostly equipped with AGM and not lithium batteries?
Thank you! Itâs a work in progress to bring Lithiums on board. Now that the batteries have been proven, Newell and their owners can feel more comfortable with them. But, the biggest issue has been integration with the energy management system of Intrepid, Outback, and the AGS. New coaches under production will be getting the option for Lithium!
@@RVSquaredSteve thank you sir for the quick response.
Very nice video! I'm curious to know....what was your bill for this Service? And how much extra was it for the maintenance repairs on the issues that they found?? Also, that is a Very Beautiful Coach...and I can't blame you one bit for taking it out to Newell every year for the Check-up. I think that I'd do the same!!
Thank you for all the kind words, George!
The annual service portion is around $3500, with around $6500 of other work and repairs.
This annual cost of maintenance is pretty typical for these custom coaches.
@@RVSquaredSteve Thanks for that info...and in the grand scheme of things, I guess that is not too huge of an expense to absorb, considering the overall investment!
Thanks again, and Happy Travels!!
Thanks for a very informative video! Why do people pronounce Miami Oklahoma with an O on the end of Miami?
Thatâs a good question and topic of many âwhoâs right?â teases! But the âuhâ at end of Miami, OK may, in fact, be more related to their Indian pronunciation.
Great videoâŠthx. I just found you. What year is your coach? Are you the original owners?
Thank you for watching! It's a 2015 and we aren't the original owners.
Where is this? Good info as always.
Todd, the Newell Coach plant and service center is in Miami, OK.
Wouldnât it be cheaper to just get an Airbnb in places you want to travel to instead of buying a rig like a Newell and having to worry about all of this maintenance?
Sure would. Actually, itâd be cheaper just to stay home too. đ Owning ANY âRVâ or âHOMEâ is expensive.
Itâs all part of operating costs. Worry comes when you DONâT plan for it or neglect to do it.
What do you do for 3 days? How do they fix paint?
Randy, I stay EXTREMELY busy visiting, learning, and working alongside the techs. I also do videos, conduct research, and travel around visiting and enjoying my stay which, hasnât been less than 2 weeks.
Fix paint? They handle it like production in the exact same booths, processes, and paints as original! Extremely careful and more thorough than you can imagine!!!!
Assuming this fella didn't work at Walmart :)
Then again... ;-)
Muchas gracias for sharing the annual maintenance bill. With other RV CZcamsrs, you might as well give them a root canal before disclosing simple questions of billing.
Appreciate the nice comments and glad I could provide you useful information. Thank you for watching!
Doesnât make sense to spend a million dollars on a Rv and not have lithium batteries. Liberty Coach doesnât even need to run generators. Newell need to get it together.
Hi Robert. I hear ya. It's hard to see Liberty putting lithiums into their coaches with great success.
Keep in mind, our coach is a 2015; long before lithiums were considered a viable option. That said, I had a chance to switch to Lithium last year when I replaced all my AGM batteries. Why didn't I? Well, for the same reason Newell hasn't made the change yet. There are a few factors that caused hesitation: 1) my Inverters control system would need to be changed, 2) heat/cold management is an issue, and 3) cost vs. "how long I plan to keep the coach".
To do Lithium right, a Victron system is inarguably the best right now. Problem is, Victron and Newell's coach management system (Intrepid) aren't compatible with each other. This is a HUGE issue for them, as well as anyone else who wants to changeover to Lithium. We're working on a 2020 converstion right now, but our electronics engineer is going to have to make some significant decisions on how to manage those batteries, yet still maintain coach electrical systems management.
Newell has had a lot of push-back on Lithiums. Understand that the vast majority of Newell coach owners could care less about "longevity" of being unplugged from 50A...aka "boon-docked". True, Newell coaches are designed for owners to drive from 50A to 50A service and I've yet to undercover more than a couple owners who differ.
Hope this helps put some light on the subject. THANK YOU for watching!
@@RVSquaredSteve Those lithium ion batteries are hard to get to in a Liberty Coach. What if the lithium ion batteries catch fire in a rural part of the country?
@@RVSquaredSteve Thanks for the honest breakdown. No one ever describes it online like this. Maybe for sake of looking bad, or giving someone else free advertising. We added lithium, solar and inverters to our 2006 Fleetwood Bounder. Super user friendly including using Ac while we drive with no Generator. Most people say they probably wonât use it but I bet if they did have it they would. Including saving on gas. I am sure that turbo charged generator uses a ton of gas and pollution and smell. Any who thanks for responding. My upgrade cost only 15k and if I did it today I would be able to get it done for about 5k.
Huge problem, indeed...on ANY coach, frankly! Even in places with a fast FD response, a coach fire can have a devastating and rapid spread. But yes, fire risk of a lithium battery is something that Newell engineering is keenly aware of and constantly evaluating.
Nice, Robert!! You're right...haven't heard of ANYONE with a Lithium system they didn't absolutely love! Since you mentioned generator, I'll share another technical issue that's REALLY giving us a hard time to provide a work-around. The AGS (AUTO GENERATOR START) system. As you know, Lithiums maintain their charge a much higher and steady voltage than a LA battery. Problem is, when the Lithium reaches its limit, the voltage falls off very abruptly. The current AGS monitoring system can't anticipate what it doesn't detect...until it's too late. And, with hundreds of electronic components, Newells don't like having their voltage drop; no matter how briefly. We're currently looking at a coach upgrade that will still be around $17k for 6 8D Lithiums and controllers; which will need some engineering to interface onto the current system. Definitely NOT a plug-n-play solution.
Oh, BTW...the turbo gen on a Newell is SO quiet and efficient that no one is bothered by using them. One more reason Newell owners aren't terribly upset over not having Lithiums; even with stupid high prices, the burn rate isn't more than a few bucks and hour.
Thanks again for your comments!