For me the big problem with this episode was that it slipped back into the TNG problem of only being able to do family drama by making it dysfunctional-family drama; this was something DS9 had fixed, but slipped here.
When Ezri went back home I kind of hoped that her family was this loud country folk that was very non-federation. "Hey ya gurl, I herd you got a slug in ya."
When I hear this episode's title I keep mixing it up with the one where Kira is kidnapped because she looks like the cardasian dissidant's missing daughter. And for the record, balance sheet made simple: a financial listing of your assets (what you own) and liabilities (what you owe). Assets minus liabilites equals what you are worth which is also listed.
A wasted opportunity. It could have been interesting. Ezri returns home for the first time, changed, with a whole lot more experience (Dax’s), which would alter how she interacts with her family. As the saying goes, “You can’t go home again.” But the episode focuses far more on her brothers, while Ezri tilts her head sympathetically and says little. The whole point of sci-fi is to use strange (to us) situations to look into humanity. This episode feels more like a standard drama or soap than sci-fi. Also it makes the dreaded Orion Syndicate feel like small-time thugs.
When I watched this episode, toward the end I was like *what are the odds that the widow of a man that O'Brien befriended in Honor among Thieves was to be killed by Dax next host's brother*
I think gormless is completely unfair to Ezri. But then, I like Ezri and wish we'd had more of her. Personally, I really enjoyed watching Ezri Dax pull parental experience on her mother.
In my opinion, Ezri should've been introduced either late in season 5 or early in season 6. This way, when Jadzia died, the fan backlash against Ezri, theoretically, would not be as bad.
I like the actress who portrays Ezri, and I don't hate the character of Ezri, but I didn't like this episode. We didn't really get to know Ezri better. The actors who portrayed her brothers were a plank of wood and "Nice Guy". The Mother was typically insufferable. And the Orion Syndicate seemed more like bullies than a Criminal Organization. All in all, this episode had a lot of potential to be good, but didn't live up to that potential.
It really, REALLY, didn't help that whenever they tried to give Ezri a story, the writers almost always seemed to just pull from the box of terrible scripts that may also have been their trash can, then kept filling time in the episodes with "I'm really not Jadzia, really!" stuff rather than giving her a proper personality.
I missed this episode, or forgot about it. It's a hell of an episode, because it's looking into a scapegoat daughter of a narcissistic mother who wants her children to fit what SHE thinks they should be, and ruining her children in the process. Ezri is the obvious scapegoat who figured out how to ignore her awful mother and go out on her own. In this case, there's no character development needed, because Ezri's character development already happened when she got strong enough to call her mother out. Norvo is a spoiled golden child who's realizing he will actually have consequences for his actions. It's still a bad episode though, and I can't argue with the score because it's all so damn awkward and hard to watch in the first place, even without me being my own mother's golden child and having seen siblings get that sort of treatment making it more awkward and horrifying to watch. Ezri's mother is like Lwaxana Troi without the redeeming qualities.
Convenient that Ezri's family is connected to the widow of the guy O'Brien befriended on an undercover operation. What a small galaxy. We, well, I can't care about the widow's fate because we never see her. Miles should've kept his nose out of all of it, never been in contact with widow, and never gone back to the planet lest someone he met before recognize him and start asking questions or worse. It's an episode that I read people disliked and I thought "Was it that bad?" Then rewatching it, yeah, yeah, it was.
The more I see of Ezri, the more I feel that they really should have just booted Jadzia off DS9 into a command position that conveniently removed her from the show rather than killing her off... or if you really wanted her to actually die, either let Dax die too or just not bring Dax back at all! At the point the show was in, bringing in a new character was a bad idea, and even moreso if they were going to do THIS kind of character. Ezri could have worked if they had three or four seasons to work with her, but not with the one-season mess of "I'm totally not Jadzia, but I'm going to keep trying to fill her spot even though I'm terrible at it" plots in the middle of the big war arc.
I agree. I don't like the character of Ezri and find her useless. I liked Jadzia and was angry that they only decided to kill her off rather than come up with another idea as to why she left the series.
Featuring the Syndicate, who do not deserve to have Orion in the name, because the DS9 team couldn't be bothered to do more than stick a wad of plaster to some guy's nose.
This was just such a boring episode. The mystery was so meh. The characters are uninteresting. The actors seem to kind of just sleepwalk through the scenes. And I would have liked to see more of what the Federation or civilian society is like outside of Starfleet. It would have been interesting to get a glimpse into what life is like for regular people in the 24th century.
It isn't helped the episode is rooted in a forgetable season 6 episode. Watching syndication or on DVD Might give you a chance to remember it and why it follows to this, but at the time a year later, it may as well have been makong it all up fresh.
I only watched this episode once when it originally aired way back then. It is supposed to be an Ezri centric episode, but as mentioned by Chuck, she is not affected by this at all - and her family whom we meet here are completely forgettable. I like Ezri Dax and i am glad that they came up with the character rather then letting both Jadzia and Dax die whren Terry Farrel decided to leave the show without proper warning. But the authors clearly wanted to flesh this new character out - and sadly, most of the Ezri centric episodes are the weakest ones of DS9s season 7...
The one with her summoning a guy who had only had killed few people most and having him act like a Hannibal Lecter mastermind had me rolling my eyes a lot, too. Hard to say which I thought was lamer.
Miles was arrested because he's the leader of the O'Brien Syndicate and the cop just got confused.
For me the big problem with this episode was that it slipped back into the TNG problem of only being able to do family drama by making it dysfunctional-family drama; this was something DS9 had fixed, but slipped here.
When Ezri went back home I kind of hoped that her family was this loud country folk that was very non-federation.
"Hey ya gurl, I herd you got a slug in ya."
So the space version of Alabama
When I hear this episode's title I keep mixing it up with the one where Kira is kidnapped because she looks like the cardasian dissidant's missing daughter.
And for the record, balance sheet made simple: a financial listing of your assets (what you own) and liabilities (what you owe). Assets minus liabilites equals what you are worth which is also listed.
I hear the title and think of the one where Molly O'Brien gets turned into an adult via time travel hi-jinks.
@@captianmorgan7627 I confused it with the one with dukats bastard
@@captianmorgan7627 I also thought it was that episode
say that in terms of star trek! :D
I figured New Sydney was an Earth colony that didn't want to be part of the federation, and simply left it when it gained self sufficiency.
That could make a hole episode on its own Earth colony wants to leave and the federation goes full president Clark
@@dragon22214 there's a lot of indications that the federation allows colonies to leave when they want to.
@@dragon22214 B5 reference. Nice.
@@patricklyons794 thank you b5 doesn't get enough love
Isn’t that basically just the marquis
Ezri had way too many incidental murder mysteries
This episode felt like a weird backdoor pilot for a Trek soap series no one cared about.
So Nu Trek, but this doesn't have space travel?
A wasted opportunity. It could have been interesting. Ezri returns home for the first time, changed, with a whole lot more experience (Dax’s), which would alter how she interacts with her family. As the saying goes, “You can’t go home again.” But the episode focuses far more on her brothers, while Ezri tilts her head sympathetically and says little.
The whole point of sci-fi is to use strange (to us) situations to look into humanity. This episode feels more like a standard drama or soap than sci-fi.
Also it makes the dreaded Orion Syndicate feel like small-time thugs.
Sadly, though DS9 was generally great, they never seemed to do much good with Ezri, which was a disappointment for teenage me who had a crush on her.
The entirety of DS9 was a morning soap opera.
@@BelieveIt1051 I don’t agree with that. Some episodes are better than others, for sure.
Ezri's mom had a simple answer for the gagh: "I mean it's just one plate of gagh, Ezri. What could it cost, 10 bars of latinum?"
When I watched this episode, toward the end I was like *what are the odds that the widow of a man that O'Brien befriended in Honor among Thieves was to be killed by Dax next host's brother*
"All the charisma of a cavity search" And THAT one is going into the archives.
I think gormless is completely unfair to Ezri. But then, I like Ezri and wish we'd had more of her. Personally, I really enjoyed watching Ezri Dax pull parental experience on her mother.
In my opinion, Ezri should've been introduced either late in season 5 or early in season 6. This way, when Jadzia died, the fan backlash against Ezri, theoretically, would not be as bad.
The problem is that no one knew Terry Farrell would be leaving before the end of season 6.
@@MichaelSmith-fq6hz Point taken.
@@MichaelSmith-fq6hz Including herself.
I think Dax's new host should've been male, a recurring character, and the new regular female character could've been a Romulan.
TBH, I'd stopped watching DS9 if they had done that with Ezri. 🤷🏻♀
I think you gave it a fair review Chuck. The barebones of a feasible plot is there, but more time was needed to really delve into all the characters.
Failed artists can do some horrific stuff
To me this feels like a two partner crammed together...
You mean the mob only did me a favor to get something in return? Oh, Fat Tony
I like the actress who portrays Ezri, and I don't hate the character of Ezri, but I didn't like this episode. We didn't really get to know Ezri better. The actors who portrayed her brothers were a plank of wood and "Nice Guy". The Mother was typically insufferable. And the Orion Syndicate seemed more like bullies than a Criminal Organization. All in all, this episode had a lot of potential to be good, but didn't live up to that potential.
It really, REALLY, didn't help that whenever they tried to give Ezri a story, the writers almost always seemed to just pull from the box of terrible scripts that may also have been their trash can, then kept filling time in the episodes with "I'm really not Jadzia, really!" stuff rather than giving her a proper personality.
@@KertaDrake sadly that is true
The EZRI CENTRIC episodic trilogy was good.
I liked this episode.
I missed this episode, or forgot about it. It's a hell of an episode, because it's looking into a scapegoat daughter of a narcissistic mother who wants her children to fit what SHE thinks they should be, and ruining her children in the process.
Ezri is the obvious scapegoat who figured out how to ignore her awful mother and go out on her own.
In this case, there's no character development needed, because Ezri's character development already happened when she got strong enough to call her mother out.
Norvo is a spoiled golden child who's realizing he will actually have consequences for his actions.
It's still a bad episode though, and I can't argue with the score because it's all so damn awkward and hard to watch in the first place, even without me being my own mother's golden child and having seen siblings get that sort of treatment making it more awkward and horrifying to watch.
Ezri's mother is like Lwaxana Troi without the redeeming qualities.
Convenient that Ezri's family is connected to the widow of the guy O'Brien befriended on an undercover operation. What a small galaxy. We, well, I can't care about the widow's fate because we never see her. Miles should've kept his nose out of all of it, never been in contact with widow, and never gone back to the planet lest someone he met before recognize him and start asking questions or worse.
It's an episode that I read people disliked and I thought "Was it that bad?" Then rewatching it, yeah, yeah, it was.
A balance sheet is something that has all your in going and out going money making sure it's in order right?
The more I see of Ezri, the more I feel that they really should have just booted Jadzia off DS9 into a command position that conveniently removed her from the show rather than killing her off... or if you really wanted her to actually die, either let Dax die too or just not bring Dax back at all! At the point the show was in, bringing in a new character was a bad idea, and even moreso if they were going to do THIS kind of character. Ezri could have worked if they had three or four seasons to work with her, but not with the one-season mess of "I'm totally not Jadzia, but I'm going to keep trying to fill her spot even though I'm terrible at it" plots in the middle of the big war arc.
I agree. I don't like the character of Ezri and find her useless. I liked Jadzia and was angry that they only decided to kill her off rather than come up with another idea as to why she left the series.
Gock
aw man even the full motion version is blocked
I did like this episode, but I do think it could be improved
I don't care what anyone says I like this episode.
I have seen this because i watched the entire series. But do I remember it? Nope.
Featuring the Syndicate, who do not deserve to have Orion in the name, because the DS9 team couldn't be bothered to do more than stick a wad of plaster to some guy's nose.
"Painting someone green is so silly. Also, here's Quark in drag."
When I watched this episode for the first time I thought to myself “This mother acts just like Martha Stewart (in a bad way)”
I like this episode, and I am not an Ezri fan.
I'm a Jadzia fan.
I think it’s not mutually exclusive but I share your opinion
Billy's wife was a him?
There are actually Ezri fans out there? Huh.
This was just such a boring episode. The mystery was so meh. The characters are uninteresting. The actors seem to kind of just sleepwalk through the scenes.
And I would have liked to see more of what the Federation or civilian society is like outside of Starfleet. It would have been interesting to get a glimpse into what life is like for regular people in the 24th century.
It isn't helped the episode is rooted in a forgetable season 6 episode. Watching syndication or on DVD Might give you a chance to remember it and why it follows to this, but at the time a year later, it may as well have been makong it all up fresh.
I only watched this episode once when it originally aired way back then. It is supposed to be an Ezri centric episode, but as mentioned by Chuck, she is not affected by this at all - and her family whom we meet here are completely forgettable.
I like Ezri Dax and i am glad that they came up with the character rather then letting both Jadzia and Dax die whren Terry Farrel decided to leave the show without proper warning. But the authors clearly wanted to flesh this new character out - and sadly, most of the Ezri centric episodes are the weakest ones of DS9s season 7...
I know there aren't a lot of Ezri Episodes but this is by far the worst of the lot and might be the worst episode of DS9 season 7
The one with her summoning a guy who had only had killed few people most and having him act like a Hannibal Lecter mastermind had me rolling my eyes a lot, too.
Hard to say which I thought was lamer.
@@InfernosReaper Add to that, makes Odo looks like a chump for not solving the case himself.
@@scockery Yeah, surely between Odo, Worf, and a whole team of deputies, at the very least, Ezri realistically wouldn't be doing this stuff alone