Wow! My husband and I left in October 2020. I did a study last year on oath, swear,vow, and promise. I kept telling God I can’t leave because of the vow I made. God showed me Matt 5 too. Jesus says, but I say unto you swear not at all. The definition of swear has the word oath, promise, and vow in it. Also God showed me how Peter swore with an oath that he didn’t know Jesus. When he repented(wept bitterly) Jesus never excommunicated him. He stayed an apostle. God has forgiven me just like Saul/Paul, because he was ignorant, God forgave him. It blew me away. God so often showed us scripture for the questions we had. “Breaking the silence”, really helped us to. Love going to church where I can understand what’s being said. May God send another much needed “reformation” and revival amongst the Amish. I say that because I love my family and want them to know the truth.
What an exceptionally beautiful dependency on the Lord and its blessed fruits to show forth! Keep at it, and you'll soon unlearn lots and lots more Falsehood with the help of the Lord.
Unfortunately the translation is not right probably intentionally If we weren’t to swear at all we would be able to leave all promises money that we are banks things that we say we would do for one another banks could drop all promises to hold our money etc. The original Greek says not to swear “falsely”
@@DanielJennessII You also have things from even in biblical times about oaths, vows, and similar made by those who were kept from the full facts of it being invalid. Most of the times, it's the same as ones sworn under duress
Tell her she is a great spokesman for believers to nonbelievers no matter what they are coming out of. God is truly working in and through her. Blessings upon you both.
My son works for a wonderful Amish man. He is getting ready to leave the Amish church. He started reading his bible, praying with brothers and seeing the lies. He is in trouble with the Bishops and they are telling him he is going to go to hell. He has 12 children and his wife is not ready to leave. Please pray for him and for my son as Yah is using my son to walk along side Earl. Earl is searching for help and truth. Thank you for your videos as well. It is helping me to understand this situation. I believe Yah is bringing our families together.
In 1988 Anna Marie and I sat for hours with 3 Amish Bishops discussing this very issue. We told them if this oath is to man then it becomes idolatrous because a vow made to man on our knees is a form of worship. All 3agreed with us that those vows have to be th Christ and His Church and not to the Amish Denomination.
Im glad that there are several bishops who attested to the truth. The sad truth is that the majority of the ones, if they choose to stand for the truth are overhauled and persecuted until they either leave altogether or retract themselves from following what they know to be true. 😥 Its similar in the way of the ordinances, I know people who are still Amish and choose not to follow some of the petty ordinances and they are being verbally punished in church and emotionally punished by members in their church. When people get tired of living under that kind of spiritual and emotional abuse, they most likely find the courage to leave eventually. This may not always be the case, but has been the case for many.
There is much more to the experience, even though we agreed about the last question of baptism we could not stay in our community unless we agreed to excommunicate those who desired to leave the Amish.
I’ve always been interested in the Amish, and their way of life. Up until my wife and I hired a former Amish guy to do some interior upgrades in our home. I asked him why he left the community and his answer is exactly what you have been talking about in your videos. He wants to serve Jesus and the Amish don’t do that. Thanks for these enlightening videos! Btw, there’s an Amish community south of my town in South Texas.
Velda, thank you for sharing your walk with us and also thank you for being open enough to share your experience. Your walk with the Lord has confirmed what I have believed about the Amish people, which was always a group of wonderful people who may be just a little miss lead, which I’m sure started many many generations ago.
I never thought about any oath being a false oath. I'm so glad God revealed this to you. Thank you for sharing this with the world. I'm trying to soak it all in. I'm going to watch this again and this time, write things down so I don't forget! God bless you both for being open and led by the Holy Spirit. It's difficult when first leaving a cult to have complete faith in God and not have someone telling you every move to make. It takes a lifetime of adjusting and remembering to put God before man. That's what happens in cults; man is first and everyone is taught that man's rules are gospel. They're not! And I'm so glad I got out in 2011; it was one of the most difficult things I've ever done, but I had to completely leave in my mind, also. Some ppl physically leave, but their minds still believe that they're not doing the right thing. They usually end up going back. I no longer believe much of what I was taught for most of my life. Thank You, Jesus!
AMEN that is a powerful testimony!!! I'm not Amish but I love that you've shared not only the Amish oath but the conviction of being delivered . I hear the oath as being your promise to the amish Church to fulfil their commandments, NOT GODS, but with Gods help. Really that is all ways to Sunday messed up. It's like asking God to help you to do evil. !!!! Damn that's cursed. THANK GOD YOURE SET FREE HALLELUJAH AND AMEN. I often wondered how the amish managed to keep everyone in such perfect submission and present such a unified and perfect face to the world..... they control them all by fear. They must all be obedient to the church for fear of not doing it right and therefore not getting to heaven. WOW and to think everyone looks on the amish as so Godly and scriptural. Thankyou both for this revelation . Thank God you're both FREE now in Jesus Christ. 🙏💞
Making an oath like that puts us in bondage. That needs to be broken and Christ is THE chain breaker! Satan condemns to guilt and bind Christ convicts to seek freedom
before you shared the verses, I heard in my Ruach/Spirit of Yah, let your yes be yes and no be no. We are not to make oaths. I too had to repent of making oaths and even strong swearing. How wonderful to hear Yah bring you to repentance and freedom.
AMEN Velda , oh I wish you could preach this to the Amish, you are so spot on an I never heard it like you brought it, yes I too was a member an left 35 years ago, oh I believe more of the Amish today see the truth in following our Jesus Christ an listening to the Holy Spirit rather then the traditions of the Amish....God bless you
Thank you, I’ll share it with anyone who will listen, including an Amish individual.😉 However, the will listen part is key. 🙂 There are some who don’t want to hear it, and I defer to them. If the Lord opens a door and I know I am supposed to speak and I am aware and know that, I won’t hold back. My heart breaks for the broken ones. I agree that more and more Amish are seeing more truth.. The Lord opens and closes doors, and the truth itself bears witness to itself. ❤️ Blessings.
@@veldajean1 So glad to have learned of the Spirit's freeing intervention in your life. Hoping and praying you will continue thus in all matters. Understand that Truth has long been compromised. Like the Israelites before them, every church, every denomination have strayed farther from the Truth and lead by teachings of men. No different at all from Amish church under the radar here which keeps it's people subjected to it in a state of bondage. In fact, the very Bible is contrived so people are literally bound to it to the last letter so to speak unable to acknowledge there are more words of men in it than the Word of God! If only people would heed God who has all along exhorted, for eg., Isa 8:19b, "SHOULD NOT A PEOPLE INQUIRE OF THEIR GOD?" Likewise, Jn 6:45, Isa 54:13.. "ALL GOD'S PEOPLE WILL BE TAUGHT BY GOD ALONE." To add to your blessing and conviction, here's a special Gift God has entrusted to me for you (and of course to all who'd heed Him): It is called the God-ordained (hence absolutely fool-proof) method established since of old to help all genuine Truth-seekers to discern between the Infallible & Irrefutable Word of God and the Worthless & Futile words of men. Understand that: The Word of God is that which absolutely concurs with what God as the Father first spoke and revealed; then God as the Son reiterated, exemplified, fulfilled and taught; and finally, God as the Holy Spirit continues to remind and teach. All else are nothing but words of men - whether found within the Bible or outside of it. This is the reason the Word of God has revealed, there are only THREE VALID & CONCURRING WITNESSES - 1 Jn 5:7. So, start discerning between the Word of God and words of men. Heed & obey the former and absolutely shun & denounce the latter. And, most importantly, do not be afraid to forsake Babylon (Rev 17) who rides on the unmerited glory of the unworthy 'Beast' or the 'fallen man' (Rev 13:18, Ps 49:12..) and flee from her. Seek God and live! Refer Amos 5:4-6. God be with you.
@@mercyjohnson6436 I just saw your comment. Thank you for the encouraging words. Being able to discern the difference between the word of God and word/ teachings of men, is so vital and important. God bless you!
I love doing word study. I only use older dictionary ( pre 1960) The first word I studied was "awesome" it means fear the power that is greater then you. God is awesome, not a picture or song. He has the power of creation, my provider, my comforter, my all in all. I love how real He is to me. Thank you for sharing your study of " oath ". God will bless your studies.
I have only watched a few of these videos but this was was the best so far. Powerful even to someone who has never had a connection to the Amish belief (but I have a connection to Twin Falls!!!!!)
The outward versus the inward. Trying to follow man-made ideas of righteousness rather than God's. We would have more time to win souls if "out amongst them" - not set apart. Great testimony. Thank you. God Bless.
🙏 Your oath should be to God, not to the church. A baptism is a public witness that you want to walk with God. May God bless your journey... keep Him in your heart and He will guide your path... Bless you Sister 🙏♥
If your oath and commitment is to God, it will automatically also be to the true universal Church as brothers and sisters in Christ, not to a local church or denomination.
As a former Amish, I can certainly identify with what Velda has said here. I had never realized that "the promise" is actually an oath, and yet they teach against swearing an oath. It is another deception that they do and teach! Thank you for this video! God bless you!
Good morning I really enjoyed this women’s testimony🙏 would really like her to be a guest on your show again ... Awesome video The Holy Spirit works in wonderful ways ...it’s always for our good & the glory of the lord ❤️ Thanks Brenda
I have read about and researched the Amish for a couple decades - they are SO lost and misinformed regarding how God wants them to live. I pray for them often. Those leaders take too much upon themselves, as far as telling people HOW to live and HOW to worship. And don’t even get me started on the fact that they still shun people. 😑. Each person’s personal relationship with God is nobody’s business. I am so glad this young woman got out of that lifestyle. God bless her.
Thank you for sharing. This has helped me clarify and understand the guilt of breaking the oaths we make in ignorance. Leaving the Quakers meant I too in a less dramatic way was also breaking an oath, which in truth wasn't to God but to the Church. As if the Church membership was the only way to salvation, maybe! Now, I see that we must give ourselves completely and unconditionally to God and him alone. By repenting sincerely and with full realization of our sins, only He can forgive us and open the way to his love and his guidance to follow his truth. Only he can give us the strength to do so.
I’m so glad this was helpful to you! Your testimony blesses my heart, thank you for sharing. Your absolutely right, God is the ONLY one that deserves our all and complete devotion.❤️
I live in an Amish community in Paradise, Pennsylvania! My neighbors are Amish, conservative. But they welcomed me and husband completely. They love and respect us, and I can truly see that. I love their modesty and most of their values and hard work. It inspires me in so many ways! Yes, the only thing is their belief on salvation and certain legalistic rules. I understand most of it, but there’s some that I just can’t wrap my head around it. I can understand certain rules they have that would protect them from fall victim to the world, their flesh, and temptations! I do I really understand that if you have a vehicle that you’re not limited to where you go, there’s a lot of temptation in that. But you won’t go to hell if you drive, for me, I drive, but I limit myself where I go for gas etc... and I only use it for a need and once in a while to go to the beach. But other than that I limit myself. But driving is not a salvation issue. I just started my CZcams channel, it’ll all gonna be for women and it’s gonna be all biblical, and in context of Gods Word. I do believe KIng James Version Bible is the only Bible that we should read in English. 💜👍🏼 thank you for the video! I am a new subscriber! Next Tuesday I am going to post a video on Biblical Modesty.
All those rules might protect them but if you are truly born again and your focus is on christ ,you will do what is right.even if you have a car or truck.......just another examish.😊
Chante Michelle. You lit a fire of curiosity in me by your channel we just left a conservative Mennonite church and I have many many questions about madesty and head covering! My husband Josh and I (Mary) are searching God coming from religion so can you send me some info please? jmkmwagler@gmail.com anything would be welcomed! God is awesome!!!!
Thanks, I understand. As long as you need an oath to something defined by some people, you are not free, you can't decide for your own, you have to serve in the first place. This can be a problem if you are creative and yourself require the view over the table. This is the biggest concern of every religious group, they don't accept creative minds...
It is not only the Amish who shun and destroy true faith in Jesus Christ. Your words would bless many who have been cast aside and told they would end up in hell. The mixture of truth and falsehood laid upon people who leave many sects brings fear, depression and loneliness but there is only one Name given among mankind whereby we can be saved. Ephesians 2:8-9 says salvation is a gift of God and we receive it by grace and faith. Law condemns us but only Jesus saves us.
The Bible is clear on not ever taking oaths.Matthew 5:37 “But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.” King James Version (KJV)
1 of the baptismal oaths is to also agree to shun those who leave and to agree to be shunned in return. Isn't it? I think that shunning also trap's people. I believe more would leave except for the that.
I think it's very important to point out that, at least in literal interpretation to my understanding, both of the people in this video ARE currently fulfilling their oath. Indeed, they are fulfilling it more now than they were when they were Amish.
I just want to phrase what youre saying in my own way. A person takes the oath of the Amish church. Even if they follow all the rules of the church and try to live the best life they can, theres no guarantee that they will go to heaven. They could go to hell. After taking an oath like that a person is living a life filled with fear and worry that they may go to hell. Because Jesus is lord and savior, when you repent and turn your life over to him, you will go to heaven because his love and forgiveness saves us from our sins. Jesus frees us and removes the heavy burden we are carrying. Amen.
Dog gone you people 🙂 !!!! 🙂. You have me hooked !!! I don’t have time to listen to this video now but will absolutely listen to it later. It looks like an excellent video !!! You are putting out good videos. I don’t agree 100% but do agree a lot 👍👍👍👍👍👍
It's called DELIVERANCE !!!!! This final REVIVAL of the Lord is DELIVERANCE. HALLELUJAH PRAISE GOD. That's demonic possession, the weight of demonic possession is very heavy. The POWER of the Holy Spirit will DELIVER you from the bondage of evil.
The Bible ….God’s word is above ALL tradition. The Bible is above ALL denominations or groups…..Plymouth Brethren…..Amish….Baptist….Catholic….Lutheran ….Methodist…..etc….. Go to a church but “be a Berean”. The Bereans checked scripture daily to see if what the Apostle Paul was saying was true….2000 years ago …..and Paul praised them for that. 👍
God is never going to hold you accountable for an oath you've made that is to a false religion or false church. He's ready to forgive and receive. Always.
It always comes back to the same issue, regardless of the denomination. Yeshua faced down the Pharisees for this very thing...tradition over the truth of scripture. Even the evangelicals (I was one) cling to their own set of traditions. Reading and studying scripture led me out of "the church". I embraced the true sabbath (7th day, not Sunday) and said "no more" to Easter and Christmas. The feasts outlined in Leviticus are so much more meaningful...and joyful!
I know of no man made denomination that follows actual written scripture entirely. Not, baptists, or lutherans, or mennonites. Yet they ALL profess to. But... many people who join a man made denomination seem to get some satisfaction from it. I personally do not. I do go to a Mennonite fellowship church. But I refuse to join their brotherhood, because it is unscriptural. Scripture says there is one God, one baptism, one faith, one body of Christ. Every man made denomination, is an assembly who have chosen to separate from the one body, if they require you to be baptized into their group, and make you make a formal vow to them that you believe that their inflexible, unchanging beliefs are the absolute true understanding of scripture. And it'll be a cold day in hell before I take a vow to them. But I still go there. They probably think I'm crazy. And maybe I am. But I constantly point out to them scripture that they won't acknowledge. I'll tell you, they are stubbornly set in their beliefs, just like those from most denominations.
Wow! There you are! And here I am praying everyday to meet people like you who are not afraid to acknowledge the Truth. Yes, Truth has long been compromised. Like the Israelites before them, every church, every denomination have strayed farther from the Truth and lead by teachings of men. No different at all from Amish church under the radar here which keeps it's people subjected to it in a state of bondage. In fact, the very Bible is contrived so people are literally bound to it to the last letter so to speak unable to acknowledge there are more words of men in it than the Word of God! If only people would heed God who has all along exhorted, for eg., Isa 8:19b, "SHOULD NOT A PEOPLE INQUIRE OF THEIR GOD?" Likewise, Jn 6:45, Isa 54:13.. "ALL GOD'S PEOPLE WILL BE TAUGHT BY GOD ALONE." To add to your blessing and conviction, here's a special Gift God has entrusted to me for you (and of course to all who'd heed Him): It is called the God-ordained (hence absolutely fool-proof) method established since of old to help all genuine Truth-seekers to discern between the Infallible & Irrefutable Word of God and the Worthless & Futile words of men. Understand that: The Word of God is that which absolutely concurs with what God as the Father first spoke and revealed; then God as the Son reiterated, exemplified, fulfilled and taught; and finally, God as the Holy Spirit continues to remind and teach. All else are nothing but words of men - whether found within the Bible or outside of it. This is the reason the Word of God has revealed, there are only THREE VALID & CONCURRING WITNESSES - 1 Jn 5:7. So, start discerning between the Word of God and words of men. Heed & obey the former and absolutely shun & denounce the latter. And, most importantly, do not be afraid to forsake Babylon (Rev 17) who rides on the unmerited glory of the unworthy 'Beast' or the 'fallen man' (Rev 13:18, Ps 49:12..) and flee from her. Seek God and live! Refer Amos 5:4-6. God be with you.
I have always been fascinated with Amish living. I guess because I would have loved to have lived during the 18th or 19th century, but I never knew the Amish didn't "believe" the same way in Christianity. Not sure what Amish believe about Jesus..🤔🤔 I love watching your videos.❤ Oh.....and Velda, just to let you know, you are very beautiful. You have such a pretty face with a great personality and your little accent is cute. 😊🤗
the bible says to never make an promise against god , its important to as god for forgiveness and denounce the oat you made before god you were acutally making an oath with the devil thats why you felt the way you did ,..there is freedmom in christ
Please read Acts chapter 1. And. Acts. Chapter 2 focusing on verse 37 and 38. The biblical plan of salvation not made by man but the New Testament church that began in the book of acts. Your life will never be the same trust me I want to many many churches my god finally led me to the simple plan of salvation not made by John Calvin or John Wesley or by the Amish or by anybody else except the apostle Peter who preached a plan of salvation on the day of Pentecost. If you continue reading the entire chapter of acts the book of acts everybody repented got baptized in Jesus name and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and were born again!
ربنا ولا تحملنا ما لاطاقة لنا به واعف عنا واغفر لنا وارحمنا انت مولانا Our Lord, do not over burden us with more than we can bear. And pardon us, and forgive us, and have mercy on us. You are our Guide, so give us victory over the nation, the unbelievers.
My mother tried to force catholicism on us. I was forced to have communion at age seven with no say in the matter and much too young to make a commitment I didn't even understand. When I look back, it was nothing more than a child molester shoving a cracker and some wine down my throat while babbling some ridiculous nonsense in an almost extinct language that I didn't even understand. I had no qualms about rejecting what I've come to view as Satan's church. I don't blame anyone for leaving/rejecting what doesn't feel right for them.
So how does the Mennonite church standards and baptism and salvation differ from the Amish ones bc I'm a non Amish Mennonite attending a Mennonite church
@@theamishpotato this Religion is so interesting to me. They don't teach much about this in History in school just a moment in time. To see somone speak about long gone times and traditions is something very special. So thank you.
Not sure I know. I could say it probably in Pennsylvania Dutch but since we didn’t practice writing the language much, it would be a challenge to write it out here. Maybe someone else might know or could even translate the English question into German. Sorry not much help here.
This video reminds me of Galatians where Paul teaches that the Law was a schoolmaster to lead people to Christ. I do not know if that is accurate, I wonder what the people in the video would say. Is the Law of the Judiasers in Galatians similar to the Ordnung (Amish oral Law)? I wonder, in your Amish experience, was the ordnung a tutor to lead you to faith in Christ? The implications are serious. The scriptures seem clear that justification is by faith alone. The key word is "alone." When the works of the Law are added to faith, then faith is not alone. What of your family and relatives? Do they know that faith cannot be mixed with works? This person, Velda Johnson and the narrator both speak of a struggle... the struggle of leaving a life regulated by the Laws of your Church. Have any Amish ever left the Church and its rules, come to faith, and then forsaken faith in Christ and returned to the Amish? How does that work? Or maybe some just leave the Amish and not come to faith in Christ alone and then return? Am I right in hearing echo's of Galatians 2:19 in what you say? Must you die to the ordnung to cling to Christ? By the way, I think I heard the narrator of the interview use the latin phrase sola scriptura (Scripture alone). I smiled and enjoyed that very much. One more question... The title "the amish potato''... is this a play on words for "mashed potato's?"
You asked a lot of thoughtful and good questions. When Paul referred to “the law as a schoolmaster to bring us “unto Christ” what was he essentially saying? I think he was saying that the law was intended to be a schoolmaster (meaning tutor of children) “unto Christ” or until Christ came. I am adding quotations because of the distinction with wording. The law NEVER leads us to Christ only faith in Christ leads us to Him. The word “unto” could be interpreted as until. So until Christ came the Israelites were given the law to keep them until faith came. If you look at prior verse it helps interpret what he meant. He talks about before faith came we were under the law. The law did not bring or lead anyone to Christ, it was because of sin that the law was given to the Israelites. In the same way the law reveals our sin but it can not save us from it. Only coming into faith in Christ are we saved and set free from our sins, which is why he says to continue to be under the law after Christ has come is to bring yourself under a curse. Your right, faith in this context cannot be mixed with dead works that come from being under and following the law. There is a place in James where James discusses faith without works being dead and he is not referring to our dead works from following the law but the good works that evolve out of that place of faith in Christ. Works that are propelled by Him not out of our own strength to seek salvation but works that reveal His character and the fruit of His work in us. The Amish ordnung is a law in itself and must be forsaken in order to fully come into faith in Christ. The reason one must forsake it is because it is intended to replace your faith in Christ and replace the sanctifying inner work of the Holy Spirit. Instead of relying on the Holy Spirit to sanctify us “(in Christ we become a new creation”)after coming to faith in Christ they rely on their rules to make them better people. People who strongly uphold the Amish ordnung are trusting in their own ability and their dead works to make themselves right with God in order to earn salvation. They don’t believe they can have any assurance of their salvation because no assurance can be found in dead works. A big part of coming to faith in Christ is repenting of our dead works. The struggle in leaving the Amish was multifaceted for me. I was not just leaving the laws and the church, but was leaving all that was familiar to me, including a community/family that was influential in forming a sense of identity and belonging. There was quite a bit of identity wrapped up in following the ordnung, and all the beliefs and mindsets that came with being Amish. So much of my personhood was formed inside that way of life, that upon leaving, for a time, it caused a bit of an identity crisis, until I found my way. I would never go back and I never regretted my decision to leave. I grieved many of the losses that came with my decision but so much more has been restored to my life than I could have ever imagined.
It would seem to me that the oath nullifies itself. You promise to uphold the Amish ordinances according to Christ’s teachings. It is my understanding that these ordinances are man made rules. Jesus didn’t teach the ordinances. Therefore you can’t uphold them.
You are correct. I was taught that the ordinances were given to us by the Lord, and by keeping them I was upholding Christ's Word and teachings. This was why I broke it down like I did, bringing attention to the difference, and the fact that they are NOT one and the same. This is actually the part that had me pretty tangled up in the beginning and I remember the liberation that came just from being able to identify the difference. I was also told I was breaking a promise to God when I left. After I discovered the truth, it would seem to me that this is a tool that is being used to spiritually manipulate people to keep them from leaving, but the Lord is still actively in the business of setting captives free. ❤
Any form of Extremeism is dangerous. Any group that forces a person to think, speak and live under duress of being excommunicated or shunned is not of God. Even the language used is so punitive (ie: convicted). This goes COMPLETELY against the primary tenets of Christ's teachings to "Love one another as I have loved you"; "Do all things in Love"; to be in the World, helping the poor, the oppressed and the marginalized. "Whatsoever you do to the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you do unto me" Matthew: 25. The Amish and many other religious groups make it difficult to leave because they deny their children a real Education, so that finding employment and a career is next to impossible. Being held in a community under pain of eternal hellfire sounds pretty Cult-like.
Joining church is like getting married. Love is blind. Even if someone would sit down with a young teenager and tell him about what it is like be married to one person for 50 years, words would never suffice. Young Amish people are exposed to truths and promises made for many years before taking this step. The promises are only made upon the basis of a persons personal acknowledgement of belief(ignorance). (Auf "dienem glauben" wast du getauft in name da vaters das sonnes und das heilige geist.)** ( Not based upon "THE AMISH BELIEF"/FAITH Each person has a personal choice as to weather how much attention he pays to the sermons for previous 10 years. This attention span is personal and also voluntary. If you dig much deeper, the oath taken is not the oath you think you took. The basis is your personal belief(NOT THE Christian FAITH) and not upon truth or falsehood. The basis is not even based upon the collective beliefs. I do not know of anyone that has been coerced into baptism. ** Upon the acknowledgement of your personal beliefs, you are baptised in the name of the father, son, and holy ghost. Study the word "belief" in context to understand, know and comprehend. It is just as easy to believe a lie as it is to believe the truth. The difference to believing the truth vs knowing the truth is "proof" The bible says prove all things. "To believe" is to have a confidence towards something and is without proof. All Amish students take classes in Spelling, vocabulary, reading. writing, and English. (others too) If you compare what is preached in PA Dutch to what is taught in the set of language skills in school, you will find you attention span is far below a 65. I personally asked these questions to a minister outside of the district I was baptised in. I can say I was satisfied with his answers. You guys could have done the same. I do not want to be harsh or anything, for I too am on a computer.😉
Yes it is a “choice” but we were pressured in to making that choice based on false teachings. Had we been taught the truth we would never have made that choice(the oath)
If this Chanel is for Amish only, please let me know. I have been following the videos of the people who leave the order with a great deal of interest. I grew up with no such boundaries, a little bit of Anglican religion (until I was old enough not to bother) and I often wonder how many people go back to the Amish,, believing that they can't actually survive on the outside without their families?
You are absolutely welcome here! It is all of your support that I get to do this. Thank you for watching. If I were to guess I would say roughly 95% go back in our community
God, preached from a mountain. He never judged, made rules? Or had buildings? He died on the cross. Who made all these rules, and what God wanted? Throughout history? To now everyone has a story? Go back to the Bible?? It's so wrong, people who preach, and try to change our god's ways, is not so. Every religion should know, god never Applied rules,
You left the Amish Community, because it was your and your Husband Choose. and to be asked Qustions in Dutch and German. does not make sense in the USA.
As a Pauline bible believer, I know the body of Christ today finds its instructions in Paul's epistles. Paul tells us he is our pattern as He followed Christ, I Timothy 1:15-16 KJV: "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting." Paul never one time talks about making oaths. We are NOT under the OT law is what Paul tells us over and over again. II Timothy 3:16 KJV tells us, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:," but NOT all scripture is addressed TO us in the body of Christ today. We learn from all scripture, it's all good, but we cannot apply all scripture TO us personally. Once you grasp that concept, your understanding of scripture will increase. This list of "contradictory" bible verses (all true) should be helpful to see what I'm saying: graceambassadors.com/midacts/bible-contradictions
Wow! My husband and I left in October 2020. I did a study last year on oath, swear,vow, and promise. I kept telling God I can’t leave because of the vow I made. God showed me Matt 5 too. Jesus says, but I say unto you swear not at all. The definition of swear has the word oath, promise, and vow in it. Also God showed me how Peter swore with an oath that he didn’t know Jesus. When he repented(wept bitterly) Jesus never excommunicated him. He stayed an apostle. God has forgiven me just like Saul/Paul, because he was ignorant, God forgave him. It blew me away. God so often showed us scripture for the questions we had. “Breaking the silence”, really helped us to. Love going to church where I can understand what’s being said. May God send another much needed “reformation” and revival amongst the Amish. I say that because I love my family and want them to know the truth.
God bless you and lead you!!!
What an exceptionally beautiful dependency on the Lord and its blessed fruits to show forth! Keep at it, and you'll soon unlearn lots and lots more Falsehood with the help of the Lord.
Unfortunately the translation is not right probably intentionally
If we weren’t to swear at all we would be able to leave all promises money that we are banks things that we say we would do for one another banks could drop all promises to hold our money etc.
The original Greek says not to swear “falsely”
@@DanielJennessII You also have things from even in biblical times about oaths, vows, and similar made by those who were kept from the full facts of it being invalid. Most of the times, it's the same as ones sworn under duress
Tell her she is a great spokesman for believers to nonbelievers no matter what they are coming out of. God is truly working in and through her. Blessings upon you both.
My son works for a wonderful Amish man. He is getting ready to leave the Amish church. He started reading his bible, praying with brothers and seeing the lies. He is in trouble with the Bishops and they are telling him he is going to go to hell. He has 12 children and his wife is not ready to leave. Please pray for him and for my son as Yah is using my son to walk along side Earl. Earl is searching for help and truth. Thank you for your videos as well. It is helping me to understand this situation. I believe Yah is bringing our families together.
I’ll be praying. Contact me if you need anything.
theamishpotato1@gmail.com
I remember Velda freeing herself from Amish life and going to college!!! This is so great to see her years later and doing well. 👍
In 1988 Anna Marie and I sat for hours with 3 Amish Bishops discussing this very issue. We told them if this oath is to man then it becomes idolatrous because a vow made to man on our knees is a form of worship. All 3agreed with us that those vows have to be th Christ and His Church and not to the Amish Denomination.
Im glad that there are several bishops who attested to the truth. The sad truth is that the majority of the ones, if they choose to stand for the truth are overhauled and persecuted until they either leave altogether or retract themselves from following what they know to be true. 😥
Its similar in the way of the ordinances, I know people who are still Amish and choose not to follow some of the petty ordinances and they are being verbally punished in church and emotionally punished by members in their church.
When people get tired of living under that kind of spiritual and emotional abuse, they most likely find the courage to leave eventually. This may not always be the case, but has been the case for many.
There is much more to the experience, even though we agreed about the last question of baptism we could not stay in our community unless we agreed to excommunicate those who desired to leave the Amish.
This is spot on so glad you said you repented of that oath , I repented of it too it brings freedom,it’s not biblical
I’ve always been interested in the Amish, and their way of life. Up until my wife and I hired a former Amish guy to do some interior upgrades in our home. I asked him why he left the community and his answer is exactly what you have been talking about in your videos. He wants to serve Jesus and the Amish don’t do that. Thanks for these enlightening videos! Btw, there’s an Amish community south of my town in South Texas.
Beeville?
But it’s not like the world does that either so should we leave the world since the world doesn’t serve Jesus?
Velda, thank you for sharing your walk with us and also thank you for being open enough to share your experience. Your walk with the Lord has confirmed what I have believed about the Amish people, which was always a group of wonderful people who may be just a little miss lead, which I’m sure started many many generations ago.
I'm glad you are so much happier and you are such a sweet Beautiful woman. Thank you for sharing your story ❣🙏❣
I never thought about any oath being a false oath. I'm so glad God revealed this to you. Thank you for sharing this with the world. I'm trying to soak it all in. I'm going to watch this again and this time, write things down so I don't forget! God bless you both for being open and led by the Holy Spirit. It's difficult when first leaving a cult to have complete faith in God and not have someone telling you every move to make. It takes a lifetime of adjusting and remembering to put God before man. That's what happens in cults; man is first and everyone is taught that man's rules are gospel. They're not! And I'm so glad I got out in 2011; it was one of the most difficult things I've ever done, but I had to completely leave in my mind, also. Some ppl physically leave, but their minds still believe that they're not doing the right thing. They usually end up going back. I no longer believe much of what I was taught for most of my life. Thank You, Jesus!
AMEN that is a powerful testimony!!! I'm not Amish but I love that you've shared not only the Amish oath but the conviction of being delivered .
I hear the oath as being your promise to the amish Church to fulfil their commandments, NOT GODS, but with Gods help.
Really that is all ways to Sunday messed up. It's like asking God to help you to do evil. !!!! Damn that's cursed.
THANK GOD YOURE SET FREE HALLELUJAH AND AMEN.
I often wondered how the amish managed to keep everyone in such perfect submission and present such a unified and perfect face to the world..... they control them all by fear. They must all be obedient to the church for fear of not doing it right and therefore not getting to heaven. WOW and to think everyone looks on the amish as so Godly and scriptural.
Thankyou both for this revelation . Thank God you're both FREE now in Jesus Christ. 🙏💞
Making an oath like that puts us in bondage. That needs to be broken and Christ is THE chain breaker!
Satan condemns to guilt and bind
Christ convicts to seek freedom
Amen
before you shared the verses, I heard in my Ruach/Spirit of Yah, let your yes be yes and no be no. We are not to make oaths. I too had to repent of making oaths and even strong swearing. How wonderful to hear Yah bring you to repentance and freedom.
AMEN Velda , oh I wish you could preach this to the Amish, you are so spot on an I never heard it like you brought it, yes I too was a member an left 35 years ago, oh I believe more of the Amish today see the truth in following our Jesus Christ an listening to the Holy Spirit rather then the traditions of the Amish....God bless you
Thank you, I’ll share it with anyone who will listen, including an Amish individual.😉 However, the will listen part is key. 🙂 There are some who don’t want to hear it, and I defer to them. If the Lord opens a door and I know I am supposed to speak and I am aware and know that, I won’t hold back. My heart breaks for the broken ones. I agree that more and more Amish are seeing more truth.. The Lord opens and closes doors, and the truth itself bears witness to itself. ❤️ Blessings.
@@veldajean1 So glad to have learned of the Spirit's freeing intervention in your life. Hoping and praying you will continue thus in all matters. Understand that Truth has long been compromised. Like the Israelites before them, every church, every denomination have strayed farther from the Truth and lead by teachings of men. No different at all from Amish church under the radar here which keeps it's people subjected to it in a state of bondage. In fact, the very Bible is contrived so people are literally bound to it to the last letter so to speak unable to acknowledge there are more words of men in it than the Word of God! If only people would heed God who has all along exhorted, for eg., Isa 8:19b, "SHOULD NOT A PEOPLE INQUIRE OF THEIR GOD?" Likewise, Jn 6:45, Isa 54:13.. "ALL GOD'S PEOPLE WILL BE TAUGHT BY GOD ALONE."
To add to your blessing and conviction, here's a special Gift God has entrusted to me for you (and of course to all who'd heed Him): It is called the God-ordained (hence absolutely fool-proof) method established since of old to help all genuine Truth-seekers to discern between the Infallible & Irrefutable Word of God and the Worthless & Futile words of men. Understand that: The Word of God is that which absolutely concurs with what God as the Father first spoke and revealed; then God as the Son reiterated, exemplified, fulfilled and taught; and finally, God as the Holy Spirit continues to remind and teach. All else are nothing but words of men - whether found within the Bible or outside of it. This is the reason the Word of God has revealed, there are only THREE VALID & CONCURRING WITNESSES - 1 Jn 5:7.
So, start discerning between the Word of God and words of men. Heed & obey the former and absolutely shun & denounce the latter. And, most importantly, do not be afraid to forsake Babylon (Rev 17) who rides on the unmerited glory of the unworthy 'Beast' or the 'fallen man' (Rev 13:18, Ps 49:12..) and flee from her. Seek God and live! Refer Amos 5:4-6. God be with you.
@@mercyjohnson6436 I just saw your comment. Thank you for the encouraging words. Being able to discern the difference between the word of God and word/ teachings of men, is so vital and important. God bless you!
@@veldajean1 Thank you for finding time to revert to me with your response. God be with you and bless you more and more.
Love & prayers.
I love doing word study. I only use older dictionary ( pre 1960) The first word I studied was "awesome" it means fear the power that is greater then you. God is awesome, not a picture or song. He has the power of creation, my provider, my comforter, my all in all. I love how real He is to me. Thank you for sharing your study of " oath ". God will bless your studies.
I have only watched a few of these videos but this was was the best so far. Powerful even to someone who has never had a connection to the Amish belief (but I have a connection to Twin Falls!!!!!)
The outward versus the inward. Trying to follow man-made ideas of righteousness rather than God's. We would have more time to win souls if "out amongst them" - not set apart. Great testimony. Thank you. God Bless.
🙏 Your oath should be to God, not to the church. A baptism is a public witness that you want to walk with God. May God bless your journey... keep Him in your heart and He will guide your path... Bless you Sister 🙏♥
If your oath and commitment is to God, it will automatically also be to the true universal Church as brothers and sisters in Christ, not to a local church or denomination.
God Bless you Beautiful One... thank you for sharing your story with those of us out here...
🙏🏽God is in your heart not in a book
We brought up not to ask just do it Velda you have a gift of asking questions and researching it great 👍job Velda and Carl
What a beautiful Testimony of your Truth/ God's Truth. Amish Potato thank you for sharing your Cousin's Testimony. She's a lovely Soul.
Awesome Carl and Velda❤️😊
Loved hearing her story! Thank you, Velda!
Wow! Very informative and thank you for sharing! I grew up with this same mindset and I'm not Amish!
As a former Amish, I can certainly identify with what Velda has said here. I had never realized that "the promise" is actually an oath, and yet they teach against swearing an oath. It is another deception that they do and teach! Thank you for this video! God bless you!
Amazing how we come to the same conclusion!!
I got some guidance from Leviticus 5, as well, on how God views a foolish or wrong vow.
Good morning
I really enjoyed this women’s testimony🙏
would really like her to be a guest on your show again ...
Awesome video
The Holy Spirit works in wonderful ways ...it’s always for our good & the glory of the lord ❤️
Thanks
Brenda
Yeah hope to do it again.
@@theamishpotato
Awesome 👍
Velda has the most unusual accent. I've never heard anything like it! But it sounds really nice.
That's a great interview! I love the way she explained everything! The Spirit really reveals so much wisdom to us!
Awesome testimony…Jesus loves us! Yes!
Hallelujah... Jesus christ always wins.... ALWAYS !!!!
I have read about and researched the Amish for a couple decades - they are SO lost and misinformed regarding how God wants them to live. I pray for them often. Those leaders take too much upon themselves, as far as telling people HOW to live and HOW to worship. And don’t even get me started on the fact that they still shun people. 😑. Each person’s personal relationship with God is nobody’s business. I am so glad this young woman got out of that lifestyle. God bless her.
This is wonderful God bless you guys
Thank you for sharing. This has helped me clarify and understand the guilt of breaking the oaths we make in ignorance. Leaving the Quakers meant I too in a less dramatic way was also breaking an oath, which in truth wasn't to God but to the Church. As if the Church membership was the only way to salvation, maybe! Now, I see that we must give ourselves completely and unconditionally to God and him alone. By repenting sincerely and with full realization of our sins, only He can forgive us and open the way to his love and his guidance to follow his truth. Only he can give us the strength to do so.
I’m so glad this was helpful to you! Your testimony blesses my heart, thank you for sharing. Your absolutely right, God is the ONLY one that deserves our all and complete devotion.❤️
Thank you for sharing!😊 may I ask what is unbiblical about the Quaker church? I personally I'm not very familiar with the group.
I live in an Amish community in Paradise, Pennsylvania! My neighbors are Amish, conservative. But they welcomed me and husband completely. They love and respect us, and I can truly see that. I love their modesty and most of their values and hard work. It inspires me in so many ways! Yes, the only thing is their belief on salvation and certain legalistic rules. I understand most of it, but there’s some that I just can’t wrap my head around it. I can understand certain rules they have that would protect them from fall victim to the world, their flesh, and temptations! I do I really understand that if you have a vehicle that you’re not limited to where you go, there’s a lot of temptation in that. But you won’t go to hell if you drive, for me, I drive, but I limit myself where I go for gas etc... and I only use it for a need and once in a while to go to the beach. But other than that I limit myself. But driving is not a salvation issue. I just started my CZcams channel, it’ll all gonna be for women and it’s gonna be all biblical, and in context of Gods Word. I do believe KIng James Version Bible is the only Bible that we should read in English. 💜👍🏼 thank you for the video! I am a new subscriber! Next Tuesday I am going to post a video on Biblical Modesty.
All those rules might protect them but if you are truly born again and your focus is on christ ,you will do what is right.even if you have a car or truck.......just another examish.😊
@@williamlee8920 absolutely, I agree! 👍🏼“Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.”
John 3:7 KJV
Chante Michelle. You lit a fire of curiosity in me by your channel we just left a conservative Mennonite church and I have many many questions about madesty and head covering! My husband Josh and I (Mary) are searching God coming from religion so can you send me some info please? jmkmwagler@gmail.com anything would be welcomed! God is awesome!!!!
Check out a home called sunrise meadows in paradise. They need exposed! I'm Amish from Ohio and was there. They mock the Bible there
❤❤❤❤❤.....
God Bless You Both! 👣👣
Thank you Velda for your testimony! God bless you!
Thanks, I understand. As long as you need an oath to something defined by some people, you are not free, you can't decide for your own, you have to serve in the first place. This can be a problem if you are creative and yourself require the view over the table. This is the biggest concern of every religious group, they don't accept creative minds...
Jesus saves I'm saved and not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ; the old me is dead and new man arose and Jesus now dwells within me
The meek shall inherit the earth
We are not trying to inherit the earth
Shout the truth from the rooftop and accumulate treasures in heaven
Very good testimony
It is not only the Amish who shun and destroy true faith in Jesus Christ. Your words would bless many who have been cast aside and told they would end up in hell. The mixture of truth and falsehood laid upon people who leave many sects brings fear, depression and loneliness but there is only one Name given among mankind whereby we can be saved. Ephesians 2:8-9 says salvation is a gift of God and we receive it by grace and faith. Law condemns us but only Jesus saves us.
Thanks for sharing !
The Bible is clear on not ever taking oaths.Matthew 5:37
“But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.”
King James Version (KJV)
Matt. 5: 33 - 37 deals with taking an oath. We are told not to swear by anything besides God. v 37 really puts it into context.
1 of the baptismal oaths is to also agree to shun those who leave and to agree to be shunned in return. Isn't it? I think that shunning also trap's people. I believe more would leave except for the that.
Very Powerful Thanks to your cousin and you glad I found y'all's Channel
I think it's very important to point out that, at least in literal interpretation to my understanding, both of the people in this video ARE currently fulfilling their oath. Indeed, they are fulfilling it more now than they were when they were Amish.
I just want to phrase what youre saying in my own way. A person takes the oath of the Amish church. Even if they follow all the rules of the church and try to live the best life they can, theres no guarantee that they will go to heaven. They could go to hell. After taking an oath like that a person is living a life filled with fear and worry that they may go to hell.
Because Jesus is lord and savior, when you repent and turn your life over to him, you will go to heaven because his love and forgiveness saves us from our sins. Jesus frees us and removes the heavy burden we are carrying.
Amen.
I like your summary, it’s true. Thank you.
Dog gone you people 🙂 !!!! 🙂. You have me hooked !!! I don’t have time to listen to this video now but will absolutely listen to it later. It looks like an excellent video !!! You are putting out good videos. I don’t agree 100% but do agree a lot 👍👍👍👍👍👍
It's called DELIVERANCE !!!!!
This final REVIVAL of the Lord is DELIVERANCE. HALLELUJAH PRAISE GOD. That's demonic possession, the weight of demonic possession is very heavy. The POWER of the Holy Spirit will DELIVER you from the bondage of evil.
The Bible ….God’s word is above ALL tradition. The Bible is above ALL denominations or groups…..Plymouth Brethren…..Amish….Baptist….Catholic….Lutheran ….Methodist…..etc….. Go to a church but “be a Berean”. The Bereans checked scripture daily to see if what the Apostle Paul was saying was true….2000 years ago …..and Paul praised them for that. 👍
God is never going to hold you accountable for an oath you've made that is to a false religion or false church. He's ready to forgive and receive. Always.
I have to remember, Apostle Paul was also blind, But by the Lords Grace, he recieved understanding (revelation) of Gods WORD !
An oath is a bondage from the enemy. Know the truth and the truth will make you free.
You guys need to do more seriously
It always comes back to the same issue, regardless of the denomination. Yeshua faced down the Pharisees for this very thing...tradition over the truth of scripture. Even the evangelicals (I was one) cling to their own set of traditions. Reading and studying scripture led me out of "the church". I embraced the true sabbath (7th day, not Sunday) and said "no more" to Easter and Christmas. The feasts outlined in Leviticus are so much more meaningful...and joyful!
I know of no man made denomination that follows actual written scripture entirely. Not, baptists, or lutherans, or mennonites. Yet they ALL profess to. But... many people who join a man made denomination seem to get some satisfaction from it. I personally do not. I do go to a Mennonite fellowship church. But I refuse to join their brotherhood, because it is unscriptural. Scripture says there is one God, one baptism, one faith, one body of Christ. Every man made denomination, is an assembly who have chosen to separate from the one body, if they require you to be baptized into their group, and make you make a formal vow to them that you believe that their inflexible, unchanging beliefs are the absolute true understanding of scripture. And it'll be a cold day in hell before I take a vow to them. But I still go there. They probably think I'm crazy. And maybe I am. But I constantly point out to them scripture that they won't acknowledge. I'll tell you, they are stubbornly set in their beliefs, just like those from most denominations.
Wow! There you are! And here I am praying everyday to meet people like you who are not afraid to acknowledge the Truth. Yes, Truth has long been compromised. Like the Israelites before them, every church, every denomination have strayed farther from the Truth and lead by teachings of men. No different at all from Amish church under the radar here which keeps it's people subjected to it in a state of bondage. In fact, the very Bible is contrived so people are literally bound to it to the last letter so to speak unable to acknowledge there are more words of men in it than the Word of God! If only people would heed God who has all along exhorted, for eg., Isa 8:19b, "SHOULD NOT A PEOPLE INQUIRE OF THEIR GOD?" Likewise, Jn 6:45, Isa 54:13.. "ALL GOD'S PEOPLE WILL BE TAUGHT BY GOD ALONE."
To add to your blessing and conviction, here's a special Gift God has entrusted to me for you (and of course to all who'd heed Him): It is called the God-ordained (hence absolutely fool-proof) method established since of old to help all genuine Truth-seekers to discern between the Infallible & Irrefutable Word of God and the Worthless & Futile words of men. Understand that: The Word of God is that which absolutely concurs with what God as the Father first spoke and revealed; then God as the Son reiterated, exemplified, fulfilled and taught; and finally, God as the Holy Spirit continues to remind and teach. All else are nothing but words of men - whether found within the Bible or outside of it. This is the reason the Word of God has revealed, there are only THREE VALID & CONCURRING WITNESSES - 1 Jn 5:7.
So, start discerning between the Word of God and words of men. Heed & obey the former and absolutely shun & denounce the latter. And, most importantly, do not be afraid to forsake Babylon (Rev 17) who rides on the unmerited glory of the unworthy 'Beast' or the 'fallen man' (Rev 13:18, Ps 49:12..) and flee from her. Seek God and live! Refer Amos 5:4-6. God be with you.
Raccoon Don here again…. Don’t get me wrong…. I’m going to watch more of your videos. I like you….you are one of the good guys. 👍👍🙂
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing!
I have always been fascinated with Amish living. I guess because I would have loved to have lived during the 18th or 19th century, but I never knew the Amish didn't "believe" the same way in Christianity. Not sure what Amish believe about Jesus..🤔🤔
I love watching your videos.❤
Oh.....and Velda, just to let you know, you are very beautiful. You have such a pretty face with a great personality and your little accent is cute. 😊🤗
Hopefully soon I will have "their view of the salvation" video out.
😀 Thank you.
It sounds like so much of Amish even in their church is about tradition, not about Christ.
It is. They take what the forefathers taught over what scripture teaches. I don’t think they realize it but they do.
In my mind ….no one is bound by any oath that is wrong in any way.
the bible says to never make an promise against god , its important to as god for forgiveness and denounce the oat you made before god you were acutally making an oath with the devil thats why you felt the way you did ,..there is freedmom in christ
if such important messages are only avliable in german,, for such long time, how is it it possible not to translate them?
Please read Acts chapter 1. And. Acts. Chapter 2 focusing on verse 37 and 38. The biblical plan of salvation not made by man but the New Testament church that began in the book of acts. Your life will never be the same trust me I want to many many churches my god finally led me to the simple plan of salvation not made by John Calvin or John Wesley or by the Amish or by anybody else except the apostle Peter who preached a plan of salvation on the day of Pentecost. If you continue reading the entire chapter of acts the book of acts everybody repented got baptized in Jesus name and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and were born again!
Velda is a cool hood name!
😂 I’ve been around some people from the hood! 😂
I've always had a lifelong aversion to swearing to god or on my life etc. I never do it. Didn't know there was scripture on the subject. 😁
ربنا ولا تحملنا ما لاطاقة لنا به واعف عنا واغفر لنا وارحمنا انت مولانا Our Lord, do not over burden us with more than we can bear. And pardon us, and forgive us, and have mercy on us. You are our Guide, so give us victory over the nation, the unbelievers.
My mother tried to force catholicism on us. I was forced to have communion at age seven with no say in the matter and much too young to make a commitment I didn't even understand. When I look back, it was nothing more than a child molester shoving a cracker and some wine down my throat while babbling some ridiculous nonsense in an almost extinct language that I didn't even understand. I had no qualms about rejecting what I've come to view as Satan's church. I don't blame anyone for leaving/rejecting what doesn't feel right for them.
So how does the Mennonite church standards and baptism and salvation differ from the Amish ones bc I'm a non Amish Mennonite attending a Mennonite church
I am really interested to see this questions in German. Just to see if I understand it correctly with my modern age German.
I can’t help you with that but maybe Velda can.
@@theamishpotato this Religion is so interesting to me. They don't teach much about this in History in school just a moment in time. To see somone speak about long gone times and traditions is something very special. So thank you.
Not sure I know. I could say it probably in Pennsylvania Dutch but since we didn’t practice writing the language much, it would be a challenge to write it out here. Maybe someone else might know or could even translate the English question into German. Sorry not much help here.
This video reminds me of Galatians where Paul teaches that the Law was a schoolmaster to lead people to Christ. I do not know if that is accurate, I wonder what the people in the video would say. Is the Law of the Judiasers in Galatians similar to the Ordnung (Amish oral Law)? I wonder, in your Amish experience, was the ordnung a tutor to lead you to faith in Christ? The implications are serious. The scriptures seem clear that justification is by faith alone. The key word is "alone." When the works of the Law are added to faith, then faith is not alone. What of your family and relatives? Do they know that faith cannot be mixed with works?
This person, Velda Johnson and the narrator both speak of a struggle... the struggle of leaving a life regulated by the Laws of your Church. Have any Amish ever left the Church and its rules, come to faith, and then forsaken faith in Christ and returned to the Amish? How does that work? Or maybe some just leave the Amish and not come to faith in Christ alone and then return? Am I right in hearing echo's of Galatians 2:19 in what you say? Must you die to the ordnung to cling to Christ? By the way, I think I heard the narrator of the interview use the latin phrase sola scriptura (Scripture alone). I smiled and enjoyed that very much.
One more question... The title "the amish potato''... is this a play on words for "mashed potato's?"
Amish very much remind me of the pharisees with their man made “law”
You asked a lot of thoughtful and good questions. When Paul referred to “the law as a schoolmaster to bring us “unto Christ” what was he essentially saying? I think he was saying that the law was intended to be a schoolmaster (meaning tutor of children) “unto Christ” or until Christ came. I am adding quotations because of the distinction with wording. The law NEVER leads us to Christ only faith in Christ leads us to Him. The word “unto” could be interpreted as until. So until Christ came the Israelites were given the law to keep them until faith came.
If you look at prior verse it helps interpret what he meant. He talks about before faith came we were under the law. The law did not bring or lead anyone to Christ, it was because of sin that the law was given to the Israelites.
In the same way the law reveals our sin but it can not save us from it. Only coming into faith in Christ are we saved and set free from our sins, which is why he says to continue to be under the law after Christ has come is to bring yourself under a curse. Your right, faith in this context cannot be mixed with dead works that come from being under and following the law.
There is a place in James where James discusses faith without works being dead and he is not referring to our dead works from following the law but the good works that evolve out of that place of faith in Christ. Works that are propelled by Him not out of our own strength to seek salvation but works that reveal His character and the fruit of His work in us.
The Amish ordnung is a law in itself and must be forsaken in order to fully come into faith in Christ. The reason one must forsake it is because it is intended to replace your faith in Christ and replace the sanctifying inner work of the Holy Spirit.
Instead of relying on the Holy Spirit to sanctify us “(in Christ we become a new creation”)after coming to faith in Christ they rely on their rules to make them better people. People who strongly uphold the Amish ordnung are trusting in their own ability and their dead works to make themselves right with God in order to earn salvation. They don’t believe they can have any assurance of their salvation because no assurance can be found in dead works. A big part of coming to faith in Christ is repenting of our dead works.
The struggle in leaving the Amish was multifaceted for me. I was not just leaving the laws and the church, but was leaving all that was familiar to me, including a community/family that was influential in forming a sense of identity and belonging. There was quite a bit of identity wrapped up in following the ordnung, and all the beliefs and mindsets that came with being Amish.
So much of my personhood was formed inside that way of life, that upon leaving, for a time, it caused a bit of an identity crisis, until I found my way. I would never go back and I never regretted my decision to leave. I grieved many of the losses that came with my decision but so much more has been restored to my life than I could have ever imagined.
It would seem to me that the oath nullifies itself. You promise to uphold the Amish ordinances according to Christ’s teachings. It is my understanding that these ordinances are man made rules. Jesus didn’t teach the ordinances. Therefore you can’t uphold them.
You are correct. I was taught that the ordinances were given to us by the Lord, and by keeping them I was upholding Christ's Word and teachings. This was why I broke it down like I did, bringing attention to the difference, and the fact that they are NOT one and the same. This is actually the part that had me pretty tangled up in the beginning and I remember the liberation that came just from being able to identify the difference. I was also told I was breaking a promise to God when I left. After I discovered the truth, it would seem to me that this is a tool that is being used to spiritually manipulate people to keep them from leaving, but the Lord is still actively in the business of setting captives free. ❤
Any form of Extremeism is dangerous. Any group that forces a person to think, speak and live under duress of being excommunicated or shunned is not of God. Even the language used is so punitive (ie: convicted). This goes COMPLETELY against the primary tenets of Christ's teachings to "Love one another as I have loved you"; "Do all things in Love"; to be in the World, helping the poor, the oppressed and the marginalized. "Whatsoever you do to the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you do unto me" Matthew: 25. The Amish and many other religious groups make it difficult to leave because they deny their children a real Education, so that finding employment and a career is next to impossible. Being held in a community under pain of eternal hellfire sounds pretty Cult-like.
Joining church is like getting married. Love is blind. Even if someone would sit down with a young teenager and tell him about what it is like be married to one person for 50 years, words would never suffice. Young Amish people are exposed to truths and promises made for many years before taking this step. The promises are only made upon the basis of a persons personal acknowledgement of belief(ignorance). (Auf "dienem glauben" wast du getauft in name da vaters das sonnes und das heilige geist.)** ( Not based upon "THE AMISH BELIEF"/FAITH Each person has a personal choice as to weather how much attention he pays to the sermons for previous 10 years. This attention span is personal and also voluntary. If you dig much deeper, the oath taken is not the oath you think you took. The basis is your personal belief(NOT THE Christian FAITH) and not upon truth or falsehood. The basis is not even based upon the collective beliefs. I do not know of anyone that has been coerced into baptism.
** Upon the acknowledgement of your personal beliefs, you are baptised in the name of the father, son, and holy ghost. Study the word "belief" in context to understand, know and comprehend. It is just as easy to believe a lie as it is to believe the truth. The difference to believing the truth vs knowing the truth is "proof" The bible says prove all things. "To believe" is to have a confidence towards something and is without proof. All Amish students take classes in Spelling, vocabulary, reading. writing, and English. (others too)
If you compare what is preached in PA Dutch to what is taught in the set of language skills in school, you will find you attention span is far below a 65.
I personally asked these questions to a minister outside of the district I was baptised in. I can say I was satisfied with his answers. You guys could have done the same.
I do not want to be harsh or anything, for I too am on a computer.😉
Yes it is a “choice” but we were pressured in to making that choice based on false teachings. Had we been taught the truth we would never have made that choice(the oath)
If this Chanel is for Amish only, please let me know.
I have been following the videos of the people who leave the order with a great deal of interest. I grew up with no such boundaries, a little bit of Anglican religion (until I was old enough not to bother) and I often wonder how many people go back to the Amish,, believing that they can't actually survive on the outside without their families?
You are absolutely welcome here! It is all of your support that I get to do this. Thank you for watching.
If I were to guess I would say roughly 95% go back in our community
Wasn’t she in that documentary about rumspringa called “the devil’s playground”? Pretty sure she was.
She was. I believe it was shortly after she left the Amish for good.
@@theamishpotato yeah I remember her being pretty done with being Amish.
Funny how the Amish have to take an oath to their own church, but they aren't allowed to take any other kind of oath.
Interesting isn’t it?
It sounds like they use God to keep you u nder their rule
Do you see your cousin ever
Which community did you come from?
Both of us come from Shipshewana, IN.
God, preached from a mountain. He never judged, made rules? Or had buildings? He died on the cross. Who made all these rules, and what God wanted? Throughout history? To now everyone has a story? Go back to the Bible?? It's so wrong, people who preach, and try to change our god's ways, is not so. Every religion should know, god never Applied rules,
Censors are worse than Germans
There’s no such thing as Pennsylvania Dutch Amish language is German.
It’s a form of german. But it’s called Pennsylvania Dutch
Pa dietsch
You left the Amish Community, because it was your and your Husband Choose. and to be asked Qustions in Dutch and German. does not make sense in the USA.
You might know those
Stupid words are up
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I’m not sure what you are saying?
As a Pauline bible believer, I know the body of Christ today finds its instructions in Paul's epistles. Paul tells us he is our pattern as He followed Christ, I Timothy 1:15-16 KJV: "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting." Paul never one time talks about making oaths. We are NOT under the OT law is what Paul tells us over and over again. II Timothy 3:16 KJV tells us, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:," but NOT all scripture is addressed TO us in the body of Christ today. We learn from all scripture, it's all good, but we cannot apply all scripture TO us personally. Once you grasp that concept, your understanding of scripture will increase. This list of "contradictory" bible verses (all true) should be helpful to see what I'm saying: graceambassadors.com/midacts/bible-contradictions