Maya Lin Designs the Vietnam Veterans Memorial - Drunk History
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- In 1980, college student Maya Lin designed the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C., but she faced backlash for the monument’s minimalist design.
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The best part of this story imo is that the professor made them submit their designs as an assignment and the professor gave her a B but also lost to her design.
Proof that college is a scam. Professors are completely worthless. She should have saved her money and just submitted the design and gone into business for herself. No one has ever learned anything in college and they only exist to quash creativity and mold people into sheep who don't mind when the government kills its citizens.
@@jdj830 I beg to differ but because of her college experience and this particular assignment she was able to crave a successful career which includes (but not limited to) this monument. So college isnt all that bad plus she went in the 80s so the loans and tuition fees were much lower (even for Yale) by today's standards
How do you grade Art anyway? It's not like a math problem with a definitely right answer.
@@taerikee sometimes there are objective rules, and I suppose it depends on what the assignment required as well. 🤷♂️
@@jdj830 lol
her refusal to allow military symbolism and flags. kept the focus on the guys who fought and died.
It is absolutely stunning
They built another. The Three Soldiers. sorry to spoil your yas queen moment but its striking the way the two work together
@@strangebrew1231 I didn't even realize that they had placed a bronze statue of 3 military guys: 1 Black, 1 Hispanic, & 1 Caucasian at the end of the Vietnam Memorial. I looked at a picture of it & you know what my 1st thought was... are our names, the next to be added to that wall?
My father and I took my Vietnam War veteran grandfather to Washington D.C. a few years ago for the first time for him to see the Vietnam War Memorial Wall. He got drafted in the late 1960s and he got injured by shrapnel from a land mine (in addition to getting shot), so he got sent home and received a Purple Heart. However, 6 of his buddies didn't make it back home, so before the trip he made a list of all of their names and where they were located on the wall. As he found each on the wall, he got very emotional knowing that he managed to come home (though injured), get married, have 3 sons, and live another 50 years, but 6 of his friends didn't.
Hey Jesse, I am a Brit Army Vet, Thank your Grandfather for his service for me please. Tell him I am throwing up a smart British Army Salute for him.
I'm already emotional about John Lewis' passing and this story made me cry. Thanks for sharing it and I thank your grandfather and all of those who didn't make it back.
Thanks for sharing and for your grandfather's service. Beautiful story!
@@dsaasd6300 CZcams is still working on the bot problem, I see...
@@beakytzw: Thanks for your service as well. Also, I made a video of our trip, please check it out if you're interested. czcams.com/video/o1YPrX32kSQ/video.html
I remember when she was first announced as the winner, and all these people were MAD that she was Asian. There were a lot of ugly comments directed at her. It had to have been a super stressful time.
Ron 3 that didn’t actually happen
@Ron 3 If anyone ought to be blamed for the Vietnam war it was the US government and the god may know how many lobbyists and zealous anti-communists that pulled innocent people on both ends to their deaths.
yeah racism is always stressful
My dad told me about that, even said there was a conspiracy that it was a Vietnamese plot and it was booby trapped or something (he told me this awhile ago, I don't remember the details).
Racism in America? I don't believe you.
Maya put a hell of a lot more thought into wall than her detractors thought, which is why it became such a special thing, which is why the vets leave personal items.
Seeing our own reflection in the names is such a deeply profound statement that it always brings me to tears.
another thing, that wasn't mentioned here, when it gets wet, the names disappear. her thoughtfulness and subtlety, just all came together perfectly, the placing of the names of soldiers, in the order in which they were killed, rather than alphabetically.
also as a way to appease her critics, another monument was erected of 3 soldiers, who inadvertently are gazing at the wall!
@@violetbrown2372 awesome!
Thank you for the information!
I didn't know that.
they died for nothing. just like the ones from Iraq, whom are now homeless and dying.
it's a fucked up reflection that we never learn from.
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Edit: oooh understood xd
The amount of racist backlash Maya Lin received from winning the competition was unreal. But she persevered.
I knew of maya lin's ideal behind the design of the Vietnam memorial and how the black granite was reflective of the people standing in front of it. So when my husband died and I was choosing his grave marker I remembered the black granite and that's what I wanted. I had visions of future family members being able to stand there and see there own reflection. The granite came from a quarry in China only two places in the world that has it, it was shipped by rail then boat to Los Angeles then a truck to Michigan. Many hands worked to get it to the final place at my husbands grave. But I miscalculated a bit! It did reflect back but because it wasn't as tall as the granite in the Vietnam memorial it only reflected the person from the knee down! My kids and I howled with laughter! My husband would of just shook his head at my attempt to be artist and articulate as Maya Lin! So thank you Ms Lin for your inspiration and now a good family story!
Why does that sound so funny and unfortunate at the same time-
Great story. Lol.
My dad would be making perpetual “Watch your step” jokes if that was his marker.
Why not angle it backwards such that it reflects the face/upper body?
Would depend on a person's height of course, but might work for a large majority of people.
Should had have put a sign next to it saying “Bow down to me” so then you can see the faces from the granite
The militarists and jingoists eventually got their way- another monument was built nearby, with bronze statues of soldiers. Nobody pays any attention to it, while Maya Lin’s memorial is still one of the most visited places in Washington, especially by Vietnam veterans and their families. Lin’s creation has (rightly) been called the most successful memorial built in the last couple of generations. It’s artistically, historically, and popularly a great success.
SgtBaker16 ah yes, a black scar and a ditch. That's definitely all it is.
@SgtBaker16 don't b mad my friend, it's healthier
@SgtBaker16 He never said he was disgusted by it, that's only what you wrongly read into it. On a personal note, the Vietnam Women's Memorial
is way more powerful then those 3 bronze soldiers. Maybe it's not about who disagrees with him, but about who pushed the hardest for adding those soldiers?
Did you actually watch the video or visited the memorial? For example, the names of the fallen soldiers and the person standing there being reflected in the marble on the names... is that not a human touch?
Maybe don't disregard things so quickly with stuff like "typical absolute leftist"...cause with that I'd say you're on a pretty high horse yourself.
About the black scar... Isn't the vietnam war a black scar in the life of most boots-on-the-grounds vietnam veterans? And maybe in the history of the USA as well? And no, that doesn't make it a negative memorial to the service of the soldiers. They did their duty. Hell, even people who hate - saying it simplified - everything about the vietnam war can still respect the veterans. These things aren't inseparably intertwined.
@SgtBaker16 Actually, there is: dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/jingoist
and bonus, the bronze statues, appear to be looking at the wall.
As a black woman who went university for architecture and now holds a degree in Environmental Design, Maya Lin has always been greatly inspirational to me. My mom showed me a documentary about her when I was in middle school and it really shaped the way I view what good design is. It's amazing what can be created when the designer has not just a vision, but empathy and an understanding of how humans relate to each other and the world around us.
Also, I loved that she was a young Asian woman (in a profession that was and is still largely white and male) who held steadfast to her vision, and didn't buckle under the pressure placed on her...
Therapist: How we doin today?
Me: I cried because a giggly drunk historian told me how they made a wall this one time.
As a Vietnamese, I must say I am really grateful for the people who spent time for this video. It is both hilarious and sarcastic.
@Van Ng Nah I don't think Vietnamese love communism that much, they just don't like getting fucked with
@Van Ng I'm pretty sure a strong majority of the Vietnamese people don't like communism.
Maya Lin's uncle is the father of Chinese modern architecture and is descended from high ranking Chinese nobilities.
@ThatOneAsianBroChick Her branch of the Lin family left China long before the Chinese civil war, which resulted in the Chinese Communist Party taking over China for good. The Lins who remained in China didn't fared very well.
WASN'T THERE ALSO A HUGE LOVE TRIANGLE WITH THE GUY WHO WROTE FAREWELL TO CAMBRIDGE LMAOOO
Isn't it ironic that a Chinese person designed the memorial? Considering China has a tradition of losing wars to Vietnam.
@@andro7862 they helped Vietnam plenty do some research
Maya Lin is played here by Kimiko Glenn. For anyone wondering.
Kimiko is amazing!
She's Cute...
I want 1!
Zod Sinclair Not here for this objectification of Asian women. 👎🏽
I was wondering!! She’s so beautiful!!
What other shows was she on? Wasn’t she in community ?
And she was “just” a B student at Yale architecture school. More proof that grades just measure conformism.
She wasn't "just" a B student at Yale. Maya Lin got both a BA and Master of Architecture there. However they had only awarded her 'B' for this project in class before it won the commission.
@@ironflyellis3817 I think that's basically what they're saying. Either way, much respect to Maya Lin both for her design and for defending it.
What the hell is wrong with B's from Yale? I'll take that all day over A's from NCSU. Sorry... Go Wolfpack!
It's Yale though...
Yeah, lol, B student from Yale seemed like it was trying to make her sound like an underdog, when in reality, she's attending one of the most prestigious universities in the world
The Ross Perot impression was top notch lol
Almost as good as the All That impersonation
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 I CAME HERE TO SAY IT, TOO! 90s All That was better than 90s SNL. Bring the hate.
@OP, You are right, though. I was thoroughly pleased with the portrayal.
@Jessica Victoria Carrillo and @SarahKelley YES the All That impression was supreme!
I was screaming!😂😂😂😂😂
This isn’t even the first time I’m watching this one and I’m STILL CRYING at that part where he sees himself in it!!! Goddamn this show.
Me, too…. It's the only time I've cried while watching *Drunk History*. - HA
that look Maya and Obama gives when she says they kissed on the lips was hilarious. this was a great story about a great monument
wow. As an architecture graduate and her winning that competition the same age group as me? freaking goals 😍
Good luck to you and your career! 🙌🏻
This made me cry lol. Idk how watching a drunk person explain a historic event is making me cry but damn. My uncle died when he was 20 in the Vietnam War and I hope to visit the memorial one day and see his name. I am beyond happy Lins design was used.
As an artist, I so appreciate this. And it is freakin' HILARIOUS
all I could think of when she yelled Maya was the Maya and Miguel theme song lol
We love that pbs programming
Fuckin hell mate, the nostalgia!
Oh hell yea
The narrator is hilarious. I love happy drunks. Dying laughing.
No way. She is OBNOXIOUS
Karac Hecox You prefer the mean drunks, eh?
she made me laugh so much
I remember when I visited DC in October 2019 (I know, godly timing) we took a nighttime tour of the monuments. Unfortunately I didn't get to appreciate the reflectiveness of the marble, but what did stand out was how you walk up to it. You start with one or two names on either side, but as you walk further along the wall keeps getting bigger, and so does the amount of names, when finally you make it to the middle. Being there at night, even with the lights shining from below, even with the hundreds and hundreds of names now burying your conscience, it feels like your staring into a black hole. I'm only 25, but so were a lot of the soldiers (and definitely younger) whose names were on that wall. I'm sure that war felt like a black hole to them way more than most can understand.
If you were in any war, thank you for facing the black hole for those of us who were too afraid or unable.
It's crazy how you live through an event, and then it just fades into the background like white noise over the years, until something jolts it to the forefront again. I had completely forgotten the uproar and the hatred this Memorial generated at the time. Funny how time works.
Yes! I remember it too!
Omg Kimiko Glenn and Dave Harbour in one of my favorite shows together?! Yessirrrrrrr
David Harbour as a drunk valley girl administrator from the 70s was the medicine I did not know I needed.
It's funny, then it's not. Great work, and thank you Drunk History, for transcending the joke of your premise into something truly moving.
Dave Chappelle should be a guest on Drunk History
Mr. Mig he was, I guess
@@vikashkthakur no he wasn't
Can you imagine him doing the history lesson? Haha
At first I thought what about him being apart of the reenactment but man, him doing the history lesson is just a hell of an idea haha
Do you see who makes this show? Hes not doing anything for comedy central.
that would be epic! I could imagine him doing one on the day Prince and Michael Jackson met 😂
As a veteran, I finally got a chance to go to DC and I saw the monument a few years ago. I decided to do something just for myself. I took a random number of steps, stopped, turned towards the wall and the I said the first name I saw at eye level on that part of the wall aloud to myself and said thank you. I did that until I got to the other side. I didn’t make it halfway through before I was fighting the tears. I didn’t know them personally, but they were my brothers and sisters, cousins, aunts and uncles in arms. Looking at eye level, reading the name while looking at your very own reflection is so beautiful and powerful.
This is insanity. I've been to the Vietnam memorial and I think the design is incredible. To me it represents how on and on the casualties went, seeming to never end. You did an amazing job Maya Lin, not that you needed validation from me.
i'm crying at drunk history again
happens way more often than i would’ve ever expected lol
wildflowerwoods i know right?!
"And he kissed her right on the lips." The look on the actors faces when she said that 😂
Kimiko Glenn is a goddess. Love this episode.
That's right. She's in Orange is the New Black.
@@erikkaye1114 and shes a great singer as well
sandra rodriguez I didn’t know that. I’ll have to check her out.
@@adarateranroldan She was in Waitress and was apparently hilarious. Search "When He Sees Me" Kimiko Glenn up top and get a taste of her comedic chops.
David L. Tiffany. Killed May 28th 1969. My uncle who died and whose name is on the wall. Thank you! Only 19! A young medic.
The President of the United States of America, authorized by Act of Congress, July 9, 1918 (amended by act of July 25, 1963), takes pride in presenting the Distinguished Service Cross (Posthumously) to Specialist Fifth Class David L. Tiffany, United States Army, for extraordinary heroism in connection with military operations involving conflict with an armed hostile force in the Republic of Vietnam, while serving with Company E, 5th Battalion, 60th Infantry, 9th Infantry Division. Specialist Five Tiffany distinguished himself by exceptionally valorous actions on 28 May 1969 as a senior medical aidman on an airmobile operation in Long An Province. Immediately upon being inserted into its area of operation, Specialist Tiffany's platoon came into heavy contact with and enemy force. Returning fire, they forced the enemy troops to disperse. While moving in pursuit of the fleeing enemy, the platoon again came under intense fire and suffered casualties in the command element. Specialist Tiffany, who had been at the rear of the sweep formation, moved to the point of heaviest contact where his wounded comrades lay exposed to the hail of enemy ordnance. Although he was pinned down before he could reach the wounded men, he managed to silence a hostile emplacement long enough to run to the casualties. He quickly administered aid to the injured men and carried on casualty to safety. Returning to the center of conflict, he spotted his wounded platoon leader and immediately moved to his assistance. While attempting to rescue his comrade, he was mortally wounded. Specialist Five Tiffany's extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty, at the cost of his life, were in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service and reflect great credit upon himself, his unit, and the United States Army.
19, the average age of a soldier in Vietnam. Barely able to vote, not able to legally drink in all states, but he could lay down his life for his country.
I am so sorry by your loss. He was a great man, so so young. I am about to turn 19 and I can't imagine being in his position. I want to go to medical school, and if I manage it I hope to be as good and compassionate as he was as a medic, and as passionate to saving lives as he was. May he rest in peace.
@@jenisedai most were older it sounds more sinister to say they were younger.
@@Thunderchild-gz4gc I looked it up, the average age of an infantryman was 22, the average age period was 26. Still very young!
"And then Pres. Obama kissed her on the lips"😂😂😂😂😂
casting is always so good, also maya's thought behind the memorial is incredible
Okay the girl narrating this is adorable and I love her
Hahahahah I love herrrrr she’s the most happy drunk I’ve ever witnessed. 🤣
I love that she does voices for the characters.
I remember when I was a kid, and the traveling wall came to Texas, and my mom was a volunteer, in her uniform. We met so many vets who brought pictures and momentos from their time as active duty soldiers. It is really healing, especially for those that don’t talk often about it.
There is a wonderful poem by Vietyveteran, Yusuf Komenyakaa, called “Facing It”, about his experience viewing the memorial.
I always appreciate the rare Drunk History guest who seems actually legit drunk.
This entire sketch is brilliant! But my favorite part is at 3:05 when Maria Blasucci (as Ross Perot) breaks the fourth wall for just a second to give that "are you kidding me?" look to the camera. 😂
This made me cry. I've never had the chance to see the wall in person.The same with the Aid's Quilt. And my own father's memorial.
Seeing this memorial in person was the most moving experience I had out of all the memorials and statues I saw in all the rest of Washington DC. I'm so glad Maya Lin helped inspire memorials after that as well.
This actually made me cry. Seeing the faces amongst the names. Beautiful. Truly...
I'm glad to see I wasnt the only one
I heavily suggest you call this format "stoned history"
...I smell "Spin off!"
I was not prepared for the powerful reaction the Vietnam Memorial would evoke in me.
You do indeed see yourself reflected in the wall.
It hits deeply how sacred and personal the ultimate sacrifice that each life, each name, there engraved represents.
Recalling that experience right now has me sobbing.
It’s a sorrowful place with an actual “presence” of palpable emotion; it’s as if one can feel the quiet power of all the lost souls whispering from beyond time beyond the Wall.
Glad CC continues to make these.
Man, David Harbour in this video has strong Jack Black energy for some reason
Really wish for such video for topics all around in History ✨✨✨
and stemming from that came the travelling Wall, so that veterans who couldn't make it to D.C could see the Wall and spend some time with their brethren
the ross perot impression SENT ME bye
Yessss this is one of my FAVORITE stories, I'm SO happy they finally made a drunk history on this
I was in Architecture school when I learned about her. Shes is very inspiring.
I've come to realise that the success of these sketches is entirely dependent on whether someone is an annoying drunk, or a fun drunk.
This was actually heartwarming. Funny but heartwarming!
How can Drunk History raise a tear?
Did an article on the Memorial. I remember that even children were silent in it's presence.
You think this one is bad, watch the one on Marjorie Stoneman Douglas. It guts me at the end every time.
Thank you to all veterans.
Also, this was so far beyond ridiculous... love it!
Maya Lin, never heard of her till now. She should’ve been in history class but who cares since she’ll be remembered by others when it’s talked about on drunk history :))
The 1st time Iwent to the Vietnam memorial was the first New Year’s Eve it was open, w a Vietnam vet. there were nuns, priests and vets putting out liminaria bc there werent any lights installed yet. the people were utterly hushed, it was beautiful and exquisite. honorable and peaceful and moving.
"... and then they kissed and lived happily ever after. THE END."
Kimiko is so pretty 😍
You really have to experience it. I can't go there and not burst into tears. All those names; people still grieving; mementos left from the fallen....
KIMIKO GLENN WAS AMAZING IN THIS OMG??
So now we know what hopper was doing before he was a cop
God i love these
i wish i saw this before i had to design a memorial for my design class
Why do they only sometimes put the *featuring the famous actors?
Ikr
If i recall, the compromise was still made for an ancillary memorial w the military symbolism off to the side of Maya Lin’s design.
Shouldn’t have anyone wearing an EGA especially when they aren’t a Marine. That symbol has such a greater meaning than the other branches.
One of my cousins’ names is on the wall…his name was Rudolph Billiot. Obviously I never knew him because he died way before I was born 😅 but I somehow miss him nevertheless
Absolutely hilarious!! Didn't expect to end with tears in my eyes though
We studied about her in my Landscape Architecture class. We stan a legend
Thanks for sharing 👍🏽!
One of the Smithsonian's showed a documentary about her and this memorial and a few others she had designed at the time.
This is one of the funniest and well acted out DH's. Keep it up!
"Good morning Iam happy and Inspired Comedy Central thank you and God Bless"
Went from laughing to crying I'm a few minutes good job
You should see some of Maya Lin's other work, she does some really cool stuff!
This is going to make me sound old, but I really really really wish young people knew how small and obnoxious and hilarious and flamboyant and powerful Ross Perot was so they could get this impression. It ACTUALLY made me lol.
This is the funniest drunk history I’ve ever seen and I’ve seen a lot. Thank you
Goddamnit. I was like, not paying attention as this video was going, but at 6:22 seeing the reflection it just hit me remembering last time I was at the Vietnam War Memorial.
I was an active duty volunteer helping Veterans (flown in from out of state) seeing the memorial for the first time. There's this little book near to the memorial where they list all the names and what panel/location they are in the memorial. Some tourists were reading it and I saw one Veterans was waiting patiently to use it. I had to go politely ask them to step back so this Vet could figure out where his Brother in Arm's name was.
Guess Honor Flights won't be happening with Covid for a very long time. We visited a lot of places where the veterans were just site seeing and having fun, but the Korean and Vietnam Memorials, you could see the pain. I hope those men and few badass women are safe and happy.
one of the best episodes yet
Ok so the actress doing the role of Maya Lin, she is beautiful!! She is really beautiful!
Kimiko Glenn. She was on Orange is the New Black.
she's also Penny Parker in Into the Spider-Verse
I was searching for this comment...guess its not the lockdown isolation then....she's really pretty....
im so glad i learner about this in art history it was truly simple but had sooooo much meaning to it!
I like the memorial design. I've also visited the UN memorial in Busan SK, and the design definitely seems similar this, but it's more of a hybrid(also built first with different sections built in 1964, 66 and 68). I liked the Vietnam memorial a little bit better, it's solemn and to the point. I remember it having a really peaceful, natural aura to it as well.
Laughing to tears the entire time, except when she does the bit about Maya Lin speaking to Congress, it’s like she’s suddenly sober, then immediately back to total drunken insanity.
This was amazing!! Thank you so much!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
If you drive into Alabama from Tennessee on Interstate 65, there is a small replica at the Alabama Welcome Center.
I want to go check out the mall in DC and definitely going to the memorial.
I remember learning about this memorial on reading rainbow
One of my favorite memorials of all time
I mean, the entire war was a "black gash of shame" so pretty perfect to represent it
If you're a communist Obama lover
Love how Derek got all jumpy when he’s acting as a committee member seeing Maya’s model!
This one is so touching.
Kimiko Glenn😍
The opening is inaccurate. Maya's name was not listed but instead her competition number, 1826.
This show is gold.
They still ended up putting a statue in front of it though