Broschi's depression is well-known and written about by many authors. And any woman's voice will be an antithesis of a true castrato as the physiology is completely different; moreso due to the changes brought on by the loss of testosterone and the training the boys were put through to develop their chest/rib cages. To get a similar idea, watch talented boys in boy choirs who are very close to puberty. They won't have the same strength/control, but tonality will be as close as possible.
Adult females and pre-pubescent boys have vocal chords that are about the same length. Adult males have longer vocal chords and testosterone also thickens the vocal chords making them less flexible. Castrati didn't use falsetto, like counter tenors. They must have sounded like super-sopranos.
The huge problem with the computerized, approximated results is that they started with a countertenor and a female soprano whose sound, technique, and vibrato were a far cry from written accounts of the actual castrato sound. They overlooked using the amazing countertenor Andreas Scholl and a much better soprano such as Maria Cristina Kiehr or Gundula Janowitz. The results would have been much more accurate and much more beautiful.
Maria Cristina Kiehr is a good suggestion; although she is a soprano, I find her voice quite masculine and it reminds me of Moreschi. I love Andreas Scholl, but I would not use his voice or any countertenor's for a castrato reconstruction. I would combine a top-quality continental treble's voice with that of a high tenor. Both of these are male modal voices, as was the castrato. Think Valdemar Villadsen and Aksel Rykkvin, or Elias Maedler and Juan-Diego Florez.
An informative vlideo, e.g., revealing that the great Farinelli was lonely and desired love in his last years. I imagine that he would be suprised that the beginning used the voice of Genaux: her voice is the antithesis of a castrato voice, sliding and warbling. We may not know precisely the castrato sound, but there is much good evidence - written records from experts, Baroque conservatory training methods, medical/voice research, male sopranos, and the better countertenors and sopranists.
They say they don't know what the castrato sounded like, but we do have Alessandro Moreschi's recordings, however old and of tinny quality. No, he was not Farinelli, and I don't presume to say he even compared, that, we don't know. But, there is a style to Moreschi's singing that no modern attempt can replicate. Theirs was a different school of training altogether. I can't help feeling cheated when I hear women singing their parts, regardless of good they may be. They cannot compare.
They have some recordings of the last castrato, Alessandro Moreschi to use, so it's not like they have nothing to go on. Granted the recordings are very old but the voice doesn't sound like anything special to me
Moreschi’s voice isn’t that good. Radu Marian (who isn’t a castrato but may as well be one because due to hormonal issues his voice never changed from childhood) sounds much better.
@@mmedefarge The higher the voice the earlier it tends to peak, and subsequently falter. Bass singers are the opposite with many peaking in their later years.
Allegedly my husband's father was in a boy's choir that recommend he be castrated in the 50's however, his father wanted his name passed on so, it didn't happen.
Michael Jackson sounded like a young adolescent boy, sort of like Frankie Lymon in a way, who died so young. Castratos, such as Moreschi, had a weird screech; you're not quite sure what you're listening to.
Watching the film... Half way through - that countertenor in the church has a very nice but dark sound. this is nothing at all like recordings of the sistine chapel choir from 1902 and 1904 - including at least two castrati on the quartet recording.
no, la cantante del principio es la mezzo vivica genaux pregunto es por el cantante que aparece en el minuto 3 con 15 segundos te agradeceria si me pudieras colaborar
hola, discula... me llama la atencion el cantante del coro... su voz es bellisima... pero quiciera conocer el nombre del aria que interpreta... espero que vos conozcas el nombre... muchisimas gracias... por un momento pensé que era el "se al labro mio non credi"... pero creo enteder que canta un "lacrimosa"
How is this even good for the people who had ro live through this being castrated?! I feel so sorry for these men! Sometimes I think the church tries to play God! There are so many perverts in our churches!
@hustler01 Um tell me how you suppose that when micheal jackson didn't even sing opera??? There is NO way his voice was remotely close to a castratos. not even anywhere near a similar comparison.
Pues la verdad no se quien será, pero me parece que es simplemente algún cantante con voz de contratenor que no es conocido, de otra manera lo habrían presentado y hubieran puesto su nombre abajo mientras aparecía.
Yuck. It is so misleading to use a countertenor to represent the castrato sound. Now imagine the people that saw this and thought- "Huh! That's what a castrato sounded like!" tsk tsk
I suspect the Michael Jackson was born with "ambiguous genitalia." If he had testicles at all, perhaps they had never descended. Having recently found this video after learning that muslims castrated the boys who looked over their harems of women, I also learned that they also had permanently higher voices, and not just when singing. There are probably NUMEROUS popular singers of our time who were actually born with ambiguous genitalia.
He was unhappy. Such a surprise, you’d think being castrated as a young boy would make him super happy. Sarcastic remark.
The movie farinelli shows everything on a deep level
And a Barock Opera is not a Trans Men show, horrible staging nowadays...
i love the guy who acted farinelli in farinelli:il castrato!!!
You should watch the 1997 film 'The Truce'; his performance in that is superb!
Well, buthis appearance was inaccurate, castrati looked more like young boys with feminine features between 12- 17 rather than proper looking men
Broschi's depression is well-known and written about by many authors. And any woman's voice will be an antithesis of a true castrato as the physiology is completely different; moreso due to the changes brought on by the loss of testosterone and the training the boys were put through to develop their chest/rib cages. To get a similar idea, watch talented boys in boy choirs who are very close to puberty. They won't have the same strength/control, but tonality will be as close as possible.
Adult females and pre-pubescent boys have vocal chords that are about the same length. Adult males have longer vocal chords and testosterone also thickens the vocal chords making them less flexible. Castrati didn't use falsetto, like counter tenors. They must have sounded like super-sopranos.
The huge problem with the computerized, approximated results is that they started with a countertenor and a female soprano whose sound, technique, and vibrato were a far cry from written accounts of the actual castrato sound. They overlooked using the amazing countertenor Andreas Scholl and a much better soprano such as Maria Cristina Kiehr or Gundula Janowitz. The results would have been much more accurate and much more beautiful.
Definitely, Andreas Scholl's angelic voice and Maria Cristina Kiehr's sweet one would've made a perfect match. 👍
Maria Cristina Kiehr is a good suggestion; although she is a soprano, I find her voice quite masculine and it reminds me of Moreschi. I love Andreas Scholl, but I would not use his voice or any countertenor's for a castrato reconstruction.
I would combine a top-quality continental treble's voice with that of a high tenor. Both of these are male modal voices, as was the castrato. Think Valdemar Villadsen and Aksel Rykkvin, or Elias Maedler and Juan-Diego Florez.
I would combine Kuehr's voice with Michael Maniaci voice or Radu Marian.
An informative vlideo, e.g., revealing that the great Farinelli was lonely and desired love in his last years. I imagine that he would be suprised that the beginning used the voice of Genaux: her voice is the antithesis of a castrato voice, sliding and warbling. We may not know precisely the castrato sound, but there is much good evidence - written records from experts, Baroque conservatory training methods, medical/voice research, male sopranos, and the better countertenors and sopranists.
quanto è dolce il tormento dell'amore.
maybe they should have used a countertenor and a MALE soprano for the voices in the movie. I think that would have been closer.
True, i think they should connect Radu Marian voice or Michael Maniaci with skilled boy voice
Oh! Nick! :D I sooo love him :) He is very kind! and a very good singer!
i remember when this was on tv years ago thank-you so much for uploading it, it is fascinating!
They say they don't know what the castrato sounded like, but we do have Alessandro Moreschi's recordings, however old and of tinny quality. No, he was not Farinelli, and I don't presume to say he even compared, that, we don't know. But, there is a style to Moreschi's singing that no modern attempt can replicate. Theirs was a different school of training altogether. I can't help feeling cheated when I hear women singing their parts, regardless of good they may be. They cannot compare.
LostJedi26 also moreschi was a church singer at the Sistine Chapel and choir singers aren’t ment to project there voice while Farinelli was
I completely agree.
Gosh, imagine if Andreas Scholl were a castrato *is starstruck by idea*
Wow...
They have some recordings of the last castrato, Alessandro Moreschi to use, so it's not like they have nothing to go on. Granted the recordings are very old but the voice doesn't sound like anything special to me
Moreschi’s voice isn’t that good. Radu Marian (who isn’t a castrato but may as well be one because due to hormonal issues his voice never changed from childhood) sounds much better.
@Marie Whitbread I thought that middle-age was the best time for the voice, more depth. He should have been at his peak.
@@mmedefarge The higher the voice the earlier it tends to peak, and subsequently falter. Bass singers are the opposite with many peaking in their later years.
@@EkvitariusRadu isn't castrato, just natural male soprano, otherwise he is an intact male.
Allegedly my husband's father was in a boy's choir that recommend he be castrated in the 50's however, his father wanted his name passed on so, it didn't happen.
Michael Jackson sounded like a young adolescent boy, sort of like Frankie Lymon in a way, who died so young. Castratos, such as Moreschi, had a weird screech; you're not quite sure what you're listening to.
Watching the film... Half way through - that countertenor in the church has a very nice but dark sound. this is nothing at all like recordings of the sistine chapel choir from 1902 and 1904 - including at least two castrati on the quartet recording.
Thanks!
A "supernaturaly beautiful voice"? Fuck that. This whole castrato thing was just a weird trend, like the chinese feet binding. I'm glad its over.
I agree
Very nice documentary!
it is from the the salve regina of nicola porpora, "ad te suspiramus"(adagio).
@andrika1990 It's the aria "Qual guerriero in campo armato", from the opera "Idaspe", by Riccardo Broschi. It´s performed by Vivica Genaux :)
@andrika1990 The name of the album is "Vivica Genaux - Arias for Farinelli"
:)
freakin rocks
his name's michele andalò, counter tenor from bologna.
@Tzintzuntzin It's the aria "Ombra fedele anch'io, from the opera Idaspe :)
Nicholas is genius!
@Clau83 Thank you:D I will have to get it when I can!
Anyone know the name of the aria the male countertenor is singing in the church? I must have it!!
SAME! I have been searching for this for so many years. ):
Robbie Jimenez open.spotify.com/track/3OWitMe44H6o9UZxEMHKZL
he isn't a castrato but a counter tenor. michele andalò is his name
can someone tell me what the name of the song is thats being sung when they show the hour glass at the end??? its gorgeous.
Derek Lee Ragin, if you mean the singer from Farinelli's soundtrack.
@Clau83 oh thank you so much:DD Now where can I find it sung by her on a disc? What album specifically?
no, la cantante del principio es la mezzo vivica genaux pregunto es por el cantante que aparece en el minuto 3 con 15 segundos te agradeceria si me pudieras colaborar
Hey, do you have the rest of this documentary, by any chance?
hola, discula... me llama la atencion el cantante del coro... su voz es bellisima... pero quiciera conocer el nombre del aria que interpreta... espero que vos conozcas el nombre... muchisimas gracias...
por un momento pensé que era el "se al labro mio non credi"... pero creo enteder que canta un "lacrimosa"
How is this even good for the people who had ro live through this being castrated?! I feel so sorry for these men! Sometimes I think the church tries to play God! There are so many perverts in our churches!
They completely ignored the council of Nicea
is there more than one part to this or is this it?
This Salve regina is beautiful! who is the composer??
I thought one of the voices used was Cecilia Bartoli's. She is no soprano, but a mezzo
Anyone know who is singing at minute 7:00 or what song that is from? I gotta have it.
7 years late, but here is the recording they used:
czcams.com/video/eZq-lRF2-vg/video.html
@hustler01 Um tell me how you suppose that when micheal jackson didn't even sing opera??? There is NO way his voice was remotely close to a castratos. not even anywhere near a similar comparison.
Pues la verdad no se quien será, pero me parece que es simplemente algún cantante con voz de contratenor que no es conocido, de otra manera lo habrían presentado y hubieran puesto su nombre abajo mientras aparecía.
what is the name of singer?
Sorry all this shit is freaky and I am glad this isn't done anymore. Clearly, a woman's voice can suffice!
The guy who looks like Billy Mays looks a lot like Billy Mays.
@shanette94 Me too :D
@Clau83 hi-5!!! he kinda look like johnny depp alot!!!!
Isn't Justin Bieber a castrato;)
So is the singing at the end the result of his new attempts??
No, that’s a woman. You can hear her taking breaths when neccicary.
how or why was his grave destroyed?
His original place of burial was destroyed during the Napoleonic invasion of Italy.
Farinelli and bbc 👀 something don't match
Yuck. It is so misleading to use a countertenor to represent the castrato sound. Now imagine the people that saw this and thought- "Huh! That's what a castrato sounded like!" tsk tsk
They were also from the end of his life, and he was never especially renowned, I don't think?
@hustler01 lol
This.. is ... wierd...
This paleo pathologic
maybe they did this to micheal jackson
I suspect the Michael Jackson was born with "ambiguous genitalia." If he had testicles at all, perhaps they had never descended. Having recently found this video after learning that muslims castrated the boys who looked over their harems of women, I also learned that they also had permanently higher voices, and not just when singing. There are probably NUMEROUS popular singers of our time who were actually born with ambiguous genitalia.
@@tinamariestinnett3625 Jackson had a surprisingly deep voice. The higher pitch was put on.