Charcoal pencil review Derwent Vs Generals. Which is the BEST? Jason Morgan Art
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- Which is the best charcoal pencil? - My Charcoal pencil review Derwent Vs Generals Jason Morgan Art
Derwent - www.pencils.co.uk/en/gb/home
General's - www.generalpencil.com/
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The General's 2H pencil was created for laying down crisp lines in a design NOT for laying in color and blending it out. You would use their HB,2B, 4B and 6B pencils for blocking in color, drawing, etc.
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Here in the USofA Generals pencils are a real bargain. Whereas, Derwent pencils are "Exotic" and imported so they cost more.... My personal two cents: if you live in UK/Europe stick with the Derwent and only buy what they cannot supplement for your needs. If your in North America use the same logic with Generals brand. Both brands are fantastic, art grade materials (Graphite and Charcoal pencils that is) that in a Maesters hands will surely create beauty~
Keith Robertson
It’s tough when you live in Australia where absolutely anything worth the money has to be imported from Europe or USA. At least amazon prime cuts some postage
Derwent graphite pencils are also awful.
Makes sense and it’s always best to “buy local”! Thanks for the insight and for saving me 20 minutes!
Smashing comment mate! I agree... I like the fact that Derwent is something we can be proud of here across the pond (UK)
@@eirvingdiaz7185 Derwent graphite pencils cost more than Faber castell 9000 here in the USA. At hobby lobby the derwent, 12 pack, are around $20, the Faber castell (12 pack) are $15.
General's charcoal pencils DO have hard spots, but for the most part they are significantly less common than in the Derwent pencils. Additionally, when you hit a hard spot with the General's, you don't always need a sandpaper block. Get some cold-pressed watercolor paper and give it a quick swipe and you're good to go again.
*takes notes*
Thanks for putting this demo together, a huge help and nicely done 👍
Thanks so much for the review. I’ll definitely give this a try. I haven’t seen the General brand in our art stores but we have Derwent here. It’s my first time ever using charcoal pencils. I wanted to do some sketching while I was outside. I only had my sketchbook with me and one graphite pencil, so I bought a box of Monte Marte colored charcoal pencils (earthy colors). I tried sharpening one with a regular sharpener (since that’s what I had with me at the time) and it took two tries with the point breaking off before I decided that it wouldn’t work. So I took them home and went at it with a craft knife. It was going well with the blacks, white and sepia, but when I got to the sanguine it was too soft (and crumbly). I went through half the pencil and it just kept crumbling no mater how carefully I sharpened. I was able to get 2 or 3mm of exposed lead and no point at all (I wasn’t even trying to make a sharp point; just enough exposed lead to be useable). I hoped it was just that one pencil but I got the same results with the other one. Should I have just saved the shavings and used it in powdered form? Tsk, tsk. So disappointed. I’m definitely not getting that brand again.
Thank you for this review. It was really helpful.
The trick with graphite is to use carbon for the darks to avoid shine. Also building up layers gradually rather than pressing in also avoids shine. I have the Derwent charcoal but the Generals also look interesting, thanks Jason. 🙂
Kyomii understand what your saying but both graphite and charcoal are made from the same element, carbon
Derwent white charcoal pencil is very rough . It leaves creases on paper(
I love your videos! I find them very helpful. I must add that I have gone through several charcoal brands and I find that the Caran D'Ache soft charcoal is the best for me. They have recently re-branded it though and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the two, as I feel the newer version is too waxy and just doesn't seem to perform as well.
I had no idea that General makes a 2H of their charcoal pencils, I'll look into their full range since I like their 2B pencil- Thank you! :D
Really good demo and comparison! TY
Wondering now why I have always been so stuck on graphite. Gotta try working with charcoal.
Flashbackpat its a lot less forgiving but it gives incredible value range so you can go as dark as you want
I did that move and never looked back
I heckin love charcoal WAYYY more than charcoal. Charcoal can give way more realistic drawings than graphite because of how smooth you can blend charcoal and how black it can get
@@darkvoid3781 you love charcoal more than charcoal?
@@miaa1762 i meant i love it more than graphite lol my baddd
Just a note to all - the general's charcoal pencil company also offers HB and 2B hardnesses (if Mr. Morgan had these hardnesses I believe one of them would have been more like the Derwent soft ). The 2H extra hard is difficult to find here in my part of the states (Ca) and I don't see them listed as a pencil that General's offers on their web site. Maybe they are discontinued? There have been times that I needed them. Mostly I use the HB and 2B. General's charcoal also comes in a "Peel and Sketch" range of hardnesses; soft, medium, and hard. These are good for larger wide area sketching without the need of a sharpener (although I have used a sanding block for getting a sharp point). Available as well is a hand size charcoal "Chunk". One other item - General's also offers a white charcoal pencil. This white charcoal pencil has a very intense white that is bright and crisp.
I love the white one
Hi, good video. Even though it depends on skills intead of tools, many good charcoal artists such as Baugh and Xiaonan are using Generals
The Conte HB and 2B charcoal pencils are great for softer lighter shades but the General has a nice white along with Derwent. I love the tinted charcoal pencils but still the combination of about 4 Contes.
Wow, I really like the General's based on your review. Hard pencils, whether graphite or charcoal, are supposed to be hard so they only put down light amounts of color I thought. I love using hard pencils for my initial sketches but am just getting back into charcoal after years so this was super helpful in helping me make a decision as to which pencils I am going to get. Thanks for posting!
BTW, what part of the UK are you from? You have a beautiful accent!
you explain very well
Very useful review, thanks
good video,thanks jason
Thank you so much it was superb clear ♥️ different between 2 different brands of charcoal pencils ✌️ it's was very useful for me🥰 thanks again.
From Sri Lanka 🇱🇰♥️
I have to buy charcoals and I’m uncertain between Derwent, Lyra and cretacolor. Thanks for review
This is very informative for me, thanks
Thank you for the comparison. I live in North America so I should love the Gens but I don't.
I want to be buried with my Derwents. ♥ I am looking forward to your erasers and sharpeners reviews. Cheers!
+Mary Todd why do you rather Derwent?
I have Derwent and Conté charcoal pencils, but was meaning to try General's Primo Euro charcoal. Normally use vine charcoal (W&N or Coates) or Nitram, though. I wonder if you have tried Graydon Parrish's recommendation for a surface for charcoal drawing? He uses Arches 140lb hot-press watercolour paper, which he then covers with a couple of layers of a mixture of Golden Acrylic's fine pumice gel, Golden acrylic matt medium, and a few drops of fluid acrylic colour (eg titanium buff, but you could use a quite different base colour). He says this is an excellent support for charcoal and white chalk (and I would presume, Sanguine) drawings.
On the shininess of graphite, I long ago adopted JD Hillberry's advice to mix graphite, carbon pencil and charcoal pencil, as you wish to get successively darker. Works very well.
I am from Namibia we dont have that pencils hear
Thank you for this video
I prefer Generals ironically. I use Derwent every now and then but their pencils are grainy and the "Dark" isn't black enough for black tones like Generals are
Very interesting! I've been trying to use my art supplies again after a break of several months. This comparison will help me very much. I'm looking forward to your future videos that you mentioned. Will you also talk about fixatives? THANKS!
+Regina Rooks certainly - that is planned for a video soon :)
Regina Rooks I
Found video interesting and informative....
Should buy using the general's 2b for the Derwent light equivalancy. I wish I could find a 2h. . .hardest I can find is an hb.
2H aren't made anymore.
What's the best paper for charcoal
Good video. Does anyone know what the white pencil in the Derwent set is actually made from? Is it chalk? Cheers.
I have. A derwent dark. But i just am not able.to.sharp it .. how do u sharp them ... And we have only faber castell and derwent available .. i am planning to get faber castell instead
Perfect ;)
Nice video.
In my opinion Cretacolor charcoal pencils are better than Derwent if you like smoothness. The soft one's marking is very manageable and can get particularly dark, even though the tip is pretty easy to break when you sharpen it.
I've used Faber Castell Charcoal which is good but not as blendable as I notice the Generals are. Then I've also tried the Koh-I-Noor but I don't like it. Have you tried the Generals Charcoal or the Faber Castell, to compare any of them with Cretacolor??
@@greekveteran2715 no, never used the Generals, but I did use Faber Castell willow charcoal sticks and they are really good. Cretacolor soft charcoal can blend really well and get very dark but it's probably a little less precise than other brands. Much depends on your feeling and hands. Personally I like Koh-I-Noor Gioconda though. It's probably my favorite charcoal pencil on the whole
Where did u buy your general's pencil
General vs Cretacolor Nero vs Derwent vs Conte a Parris vs Caran d'ace side by side please...
I only really use white charcoal pencils. Black ones are a pain in the butt for me
I want to get my charcoal artist friend a gift but I specialize in alcohol marker, so this helped a lot, thank you❤️
Which one you bought?
I much prefer Generals (I am in UK) and I also like faber castell charcoal.
I really like the Derwent charcoal pencils BUT I can not sharpen them . They brake. I think because they are UK made and don't fit into US sharpeners.
I live in US. Any suggestions for a sharpener?
yes check out my videos on sharpeners on my youtube channel :)
I prefer generals but derwent is easier to find in most shops
give Wolff's Carbon Pencils a try. I've only heard great things about them. I just received a set of 4 in the mail. Looking forward to using them. Btw I am really enjoying the Generals 4B. I didn't care for the Derwent hard as I had harder time with it staying on the paper when blending with art sponges. Rice paper stumps helped but switching to the Generals made the biggest difference. I had a very hard time at first sharpening the Generals while no problems sharpening the Derwent. Nevertheless I found M&R brass sharpeners with replacement blades. These are extra sharp and allowed me to easily sharpen the Generals. I tried many other sharpeners but only ended up being frustrated with the Generals. Thank goodness the M&R saved the day because that Generals 4B is awesome.
Just gave the Wolff's Carbon pencil a try. It is definitely the gold standard. It is very smoothe, extra dark, very strong lead (even the 6B) so holds a point very well, and easy to sharpen. It is the best of both worlds with respect to graphite and charcoal. I believe you will love them. Btw thanks for the reviews and other videos. You are doing a great job in inspiring and helping others.
Which is easy to sharpen - The generals or the derwent?
Derwent was easier to sharpen but I still preferred the silky smoothness of the Generals. Derwent was a little scratchy.
I'm new to charcoal drawing. Just got myself a Derwent pack including eraser and sharpener. The sharpener is useless as it doesn't fit the big diameter of Derwent pencil -_-'. The experience of using them is also just okay, not too pleasant. They're too scratchy sometimes and it's hard to make a good fine line. From seeing this video, perhaps General's is better for me. But again, I'm a beginner in charcoal drawing, so maybe I'm just not used to it yet.
My only problem with the pencils is that they break....the only solution is to use a xacto knife to sharpen.
Guys is white charcoal the same as tinted white charcoal?
Yes kind of
could you please tell me what the best paper for charcoal ?
Adam Fred I use Bristol vellum and it works perfect as the paper provides more than enough tooth to hold the charcoal.
Adam Fred Sketch paper
So Generals are the best ?
Idk lol
Waste of time by Jason Morgan to demonstrate various shading and tones.Anyone can learn and produce artwork of value.One could open the Derwent Charcoal Box and play with wet brush on an ink drawn art work,creat washes,flicking the brush, and create splatters.Have wrapped my sticks in aluminum paper for cleaner fingers.
Generals have way way too much filler in their H and HB ..
Good luck trying to sharpen Extra Soft General Charcoal Pencil. 4 out of 5 times, you will lose an entire pencil. If you are successful with, it will but a small stub. Very infuriating. Tried everything apart from conventional pencil sharpener. Will try that next.
The lead is very but very brittle. Ridiculously so. Sneeze on it - and it will break. Let alone trying to sharpen surgically with a scalpel.
Shame because the effects would have been perfect.
Faber Castell wins
Sorry I swear he said chongcoal
I hate charcoal. Its so nasry and dirty feel. Graphite is clean.
This video puts me to sleep
He lost me when he used charcoal on bristol ,how is that a good comparison when charcoal paper is what a charcoal artist would use?
I really wish people would stop making these useless comparison video .