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Overlanding at 10K feet PART 2: Passport to the Coyote Flats/Funnel Lake
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- čas přidán 6. 07. 2020
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WATCH PART 1 HERE:
• Overlanding at 10K fee...
***I WANT TO START OFF BY SAYING, if you are looking for a vehicle to be an off-roader 1st, and a daily driver 2nd, then the Honda Passport shouldn't be your choice. BUT, if you are looking for a Daily Driver 1st, and an off-roader 2nd, then in my opinion, the Passport is a very very compelling choice!
After getting through Cold Water Canyon in Lytlecreek California...
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... I felt pretty confident about tackling the Coyote Flats trail and making my way over to Funnel Lake. I can't say that this trail was much easier. While Cold Water Canyon is 2 miles of intermittently rough terrain, the Coyote Flats trail was a torture test of a vehicles reliability. Transmissions will be tested! In fact, we found out after our trip that another group of friends attempted the ascent up to the flats and overheated. This group included an Acrua MDX and a Jeep Grand Cherokee WK1 (in 4 low, which is absolutely surprising).
Watch this video to see how my 2019 Honda Passport compared to a 2017-2019 Honda Ridgeline.
Not many people know, but the AWD system found in the bigger Honda vehicles is pretty advanced, it's called iVTM4. It combines the standard traction control systems with a twin clutch rear differential (think electronically controlled mechanical limited slip differential with reduction gear sets). I disconnect my sway bars to have as much trail advantage as I could get.
VEHICLE DETAILS:
2019 Honda Passport EX-L AWD
@jondz_adventuring
4250 lbs.
3.5L V6 280hp / 262tq
9 speed automatic transmission
1 speed transfer case 20:1 crawl ratio (18.7:1 because of taller tires)
2 inch Traxda lift kit
2.5 inch taller All-terrain tires - Falken Wildpeak AT3W 255/70R18
(modification to the wheel well is required to fit these tires)
Monitor your transmission temperature and other data with a SCANGAUGE II
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SKID PLATE FOR PILOT/RIDGELINE/PASSPORT
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Awesome footage. That’s great how you kept the viewers informed on the difficulty level and what to expect if they plan on going!
Thanks Tony! RIP ridgeline, hello TACO 🌮 TONY!!! I’m glad I was able to put some of this go pro footage to use. I will start releasing more mini trail video’s like this that go over obstacle difficulty. This video was so easy to edit.
Love the straight driving vids as a lot of CZcamsrs get away from the driving aspect of overlanding/camping in their vids. Great mix John
This video is exactly what I needed this morning. There is a lot of stress in the world, but not here.
I love this comment. Brings a whole new meaning to “head for the hills”.
This guy picked Extreme Mode in the game of Overlanding LOL. All power to you
Haha! Thanks! Yeah, it wasn't easy, that's for sure!
A stock jeep cherokee trailhawk has taken me there twice with some careful wheel placement. Awesome video. I've been binge watching your video for the past two weeks😁
Alfredo Barroso that’s awesome! The Cherokee trail hawk is the most capable awd crossover in the USA (not sure if we can consider the Jeep Grand Cherokee trailhawk WK2 a crossover, since I believe it has a real part time 4wd system, I could be wrong, I dunno.). So, if you watch part 1 of this series, I mention that Outside magazine has an article where they said they took a Cherokee trail hawk up to the coyote flats and they said it was at its limits.... but.... I felt the article was BS, because a 56:1 crawl ratio and a real rear locker would easily get through this trail. The only issue would be the ground clearance. Awesome job getting through this if you were at stock height!
Hi! JonDZ. Liked your video. I haven't been to Funnel Lake since 2002. The trail doesn't look much different. I left my truck at the bottom where Coyote Flat trail starts climbing. I then took my Tote Gote off-road scooter from there. It sure doesn't look any smoother. That scooter only has weak front suspension and solid rear. So it was only a little better than being in a 4wd. I started at 6am. Had lunch at the lake at noon, I explored a lot of side trails and was home by 6pm. I can tell you it was one of my most enjoyable days off-roading, even if it was rough in a lot of places.
You mentioned the North Trail. When I was at the lake there were two guys in jeeps coming in that way. But they sure were going slow. I thought at the time the South Trail was a better one. But that was just an observation from a distant view.
I've had the Tote Gote on the Laurel Lakes trail too. But there was snow still on the upper parts of the trail. I didn't make it to the lakes. I could see the lower Laurel Lake below where I was stopped. I did explore on foot along the stream in the meadow on my way back. I want to go again. But not on a crowded weekend for sure. Ha!
VERY VERY USEFUL! I will be the one also with the white Tacoma scraping my mud flaps too! ;)
Why yes I'd like to relive the most exhausting part of the trail. Thanks for the video man!
Hahaha GwapoTaco! You’re veery welcome. This place was a dump! Never want to go back 🤣. Too many mutant fish, giant horse flies and oversized maggots.
Really like your narrative and perspective. Subscribed.
Thanks for the support Rufus R. Freight Train Jones!
This and the previous video was very useful! Thank you!
Thank you for making this video , everyone starts somewhere right.
Thanks for watching Ron Cua!
* phew * that was a trek! Impressive getting the Passport up that trail and back!
Yeah Donald! lots of consistent moderate/hard terrain for 1/4 mile straight. A stock passport would get torn apart here, but with a $377 2-inch lift kit and taller tires, it got through with not much drama.
I give you props bro I have a 2008 Dodge ram 4x4 bighorn on 33 in nitto all-terrain tires I take my trail off-road every weekend I have gotten negative comments from people for trails I have taken my truck on but I don't care I pinstripe this s*** out of it I'm going to be building it into a rock crawler and taking it on more serious trails in the future I'm going to start a CZcams channel documenting the build and trips with my son
Great video! The cargo noise is better than the music , gives you that extra experience feel.
Dude! I appreciate you not cutting the rough section. It really gives us an idea of what we will get ourselves into. Sometimes when watching videos you think ohh I can do that. Not realizing what I'm getting into. Very helpful.
Thanks again
You’re very welcome. After I made the first video, I felt I probably should follow up this trail video. This was much easier to produce too! Took me only 1 hour! The first video probably took 6 hours!
Thanks for taking the time to post, always good to see the Passport in action.
Northstar7 you’re very welcome, thanks for watching and leaving a comment! I really appreciate the support!
Another great video showing the capabilities of the Honda Passport.
Spacewntity yes! I think it did pretty well! This is really all I want a vehicle to do, and I think it did alright! I’m very happy with the passport. I may go with the 3.5 inch lift kit, but other than that, the $877 it cost to lift my vehicle (including $450 for installation) was a really good value to increase capability.
I love all the details shared in this video. I feel like I get a good sense for what this trail would be like.
Brian Vanaski thanks! My goal is to show you all what to expect, but to leave it up to the viewers to decide if they want to give the trail a go or not 😃
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Keep it up! Thanks
One day I’ll get sctpass up there! Yeeeeeeeee
Let’s do it! I’d recommend Freshening up on your left foot braking
Please show more of the rock crawling videos just like this one! I love to look ahead of where you're driving and try to pick the best line! Living vicariously through your videos! Awesome job with that Honda! I've got a RAV4 that I take out, but nothing like that!!
Colleen Daniels will do! I really enjoyed making this video because it only took me 1.5 hours or so to edit. I’m planning to create more videos on a consistent basis and these trail video’s are part of the plan. I just came up with this plan 5 minutes ago 🤣, so thanks for the feedback! Thanks for watching and your support!
Totally agree on the philosophy of daily driver with occasional offroad.
The Passport if Ample capable
Another disclaimer you might consider ....."no this cannot need done in a Corolla..."
I’m really surprised at how well the Passport did here. Thanks for the comment man!
Not judging, nice to see people out having fun.
Ron Dail I always appreciate your feedback! Thanks for stopping by.
That ridgeline did pretty good too.
Veasna C it definitely did much better heading down the mountain 😇
Did it overheat going up?
The Darkness that it did. Check out my first video about it.
It's fun watching you ,and exhausting.
Thanks Suzette! That quarter mile stretch of trail is in fact, very very exhausting. My left foot literally got a work out!
it is very useful! well done my friend. Thank you.
Pingus Pong you are very welcome! Thank you 🙏
Man quite the descent. Still can't believe you guys trekked all the way up!!
The trail was more challenging then I imagined! I was surprised too, especially with the Ridgeline overheating so bad. It gets brownie points for getting that far!
I love the way you shut down lame commenters. Everyone has to start somewhere. I love this attitude. Awesome vid. Just curious- how was your alignment after this trip? Notice any pulling at all?
P J thanks! Fortunately, we’ve only had a few people comment with the “gate keeper” attitude. So, after all my adventures, I’ve only had 1 alignment. This was back when I first got the Passport lifted over a year ago. I belong everything is within spec. I’ll make sure I get an alignment check in 4K miles when I get my transmission fluid changed out.
JonDZ Adventuring Thanks for the reply! I’d be interested to see what is found. From what it sounds like, it held up pretty well. Nice job, Honda! I look forward to more off-road vids!
You did well with you Honda. Give up the good work
Thanks 88mtb88!
Very good Video!
Looks like the line you take is everything to get through it.. I was wondering if my Nissan Xterra would get through to be honest and I believe it I believe it's possible.
great info you’d be just fine Gabe!
Glad I stummbled on your channel! Very nice footage!! When is your next trip? Would love to join you!!!
Going to Laurel lakes this coming weekend. I hear Mammoth is getting bombarded with visitors.... heck, wanna join anyways? Haha 🤣
JonDZ Adventuring ahh man! I’m headed up to Utah this weekend!!! I’ll hit you up when I get back!!
Helpful videos... might head up there next weekend.
Chris Cullen thanks! I really hope these fires die down! Actually! Might be a good time to go since there will be less people! Just stay safe! Some of us were out by Grant Lake (near mammoth) just miles away from where they had to air evac 200 people out of a campground. We didn’t get the evacuation emergency on our phones because we didn’t have reception.
JonDZ Adventuring indeed, we wil be watching the 🔥 situation. Looking forward to checking out some of your other videos. It is so helpful to your fellow off-roaders. Thanks again and I really like your Honda. Enjoy and stay safe!
I'm selling my LC to get that honda! Haha good video mate, definitely on my list to go there.
Evil M3 hahaha! NO YOUR NOT!!! Don’t sell a legend!
you have gatekeepers, and then you have the ELITE gatekeepers lol
I’d still love to see a Subaru up there. 😆 We were planning to go to Funnel, then ended up in Monache. One of the guys gets altitude sickness. We’ll make it to funnel with the raga muffin refugee kids someday. 😉
Good luck out there Monica Hamblin, the trail can be quite technical and probably twice the difficulty as the Monache Meadows, but a owner of a Rav4 TRD Offroad was able to get to funnel lake. He said he spent about 2-3 hours stacking rocks, so maybe the trail is easy now? I dunno.
Was there this past Friday. took that road to the left. Everyones lower back hurts lol.
Christopher Ngo this was Father’s Day weekend. The rule is, everyone looks more tame on camera 🤣. It’s always a surprise to see things in person.
I was there too 😁
@@kevoyotalbc562 did your front body mounts crack? wondering if it was all the damn rocks.
@@tellairai nope, I was lucky I guess lol... crawled my way in
I do left foot brake as my daily driving from WRX to current Jeep. That's how i practiced.
Oh nice! With a 3rd pedal? Thats hardcore! I dont have the dexterity for that! A friend has been telling me to just daily drive and practice. I’ll probably get myself into an accident 🤣
Good footage
Paul Cabrera thanks 🙏
Everyone was probably like no fing way a honda?! Dope....
Yeah, I was definitely the only AWD vehicle up there that day. Since then, there's a guy with a Rav4 TRD offroad that made it. He said he spent 2-3 hours stacking rocks, so maybe at this point the trail is easy.
Epic!!!
Thanks Mr. Mean! 🙏
Great video as always, man! Out of curiosity, about how much ground clearance do you have at the lowest point?
Knivesinedc so, the lowest point will be the lower control arms. Usually parts connected to the axles aren’t counted, but they are the lowest point and the thing I need to watch out for. Wheel placement is important for me, so I need to get my tires on top of the highest points. The lowest point on the rear arms is 8.75”. Besides that, my front skid plate and exhaust mufflers are at 11.25”. My rear differential is at 11.75”.
I give you guys credit. Shows what can be accomplished with a little patience. How much do you air down?
Robert Addonizio ya! Thanks! I aired down to 20 psi.
How long did it take you start to finish, trail time? Awesome that you made it up and this extra video to show us what the trail has in store!
We took a little 20 min break on our way down. Total time was just over 2 hours to get to the north trailhead.
I plan on doing separate trail walkthrough video’s of the rougher sections, so thanks for the feedback! Thanks for watching!
Awesome and extremely helpful video. Any issues with the elevation?
Ben Gerstein thanks 🙏! Actually, there were issues with elevation. Please watch part 1, we had a vehicle overheat multiple times getting up here.
Great Video!!. I have question. Did you start your trail from Bishop to Funnel Lake then from Funnel Lake to Lone Pine? If so, how long did it take you each way?
gilgrc thanks! We entered and exited From Bishop. Driving up took us 7 hours because the Honda Ridgeline kept overheating, but going down it only took us around 2 hours.
Thanks that was helpful
I can't do one foot on gas and one foot on brakes! 3rd Gen Tacoma has fly by wire throttle which cuts out the throttle if you touch the brakes!!! So, every time you get off the brake while giving a little throttle, your transmission makes a slamming sound which sounds like WONK. thanks, Toyota
Davey Bernard oh! Interesting! My friend Tactical Tony has a 3rd gen taco. I remember I was airing up and he was reconnecting his ABS fuse(s).
My Passport will cut off the gas when I press the brake too much. I’d imagine it’s not like an old school mechanical system. I’m still learning how much I’m able to two foot it. In this video, what worked for me was using a constant throttle. After climbing up a rock I would Feather the brake to glide down the rock. To get up a steep shelf, I will hold the brake, and then feather the gas to load up on torque and to prevent myself from rolling downhill. I’m still learning though
I believe the Toyotas will make up for it in other ways. but interesting
@@adventuretrails1ato Tacoma is awesome, but I just don't love fly by wire computer controlled throttle. One click on the parking brake does the same thing to you.
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I'm glad you just let us get smacked by a tree.
How is the pin striping coming along?
I was thinking the same thing. THANKS Jon! Just read an article about the GoPro 8 Blacks not having replacement lens if they get scratched. May opt for the 7!
@@BorderlineExplorer They have glass lens protectors like you would see on a phone
@@slide0r definitely getting those
The pin stripping is very abundant. It’s almost to a point where the paint job looks “brushed”. I’m thinking, Eventually it will even out 😃.
Borderline Explorer funny you mention that! I dropped my hero 7 black and it cracked the lense. I was able to buy a new one on amazon
If you got a flat on the trail would you use a standard oem jack or do you bring along a hi lift jack
Upperleftnorthwest neither! I feel both the oem scissorjack and a highlift jack can be very dangerous. Also, I don’t have a steel bumper to make use of a highlift jack. I actually use a bottle jack with a base plate. I also carry two jack stands. The Passport has a lot of storage room under the cargo floor, so it’s no problem carrying all this gear.
man that was pretty intense!! would you say this is hard or intermediate??
Alvin Rosete for a 4x4 Truck it would be on the moderate/hard side, but for an awd crossover it would be on the hard/impossible side. Basically you need a transmission that can take the steep climb. Anything with 4low will do it or a vehicle with an aggressive 1st gear. Make sure to check out my first video where a Honda Ridgeline overheated 7 times. From a technical stand point, the rocks are pretty rough. It’s not “severe” rock crawling or anything, but it’s starting to get on the difficult side. With careful driving, A stock 4x4 truck could do this.
Even though you made it there, you would not want to do anything like this again. Very bad on the transmission with out low gears. Great video btw
D Yang thanks! The passport wasn’t too stressed out. Actually, my first gear is at a 20.4:1 crawl ratio (which is like a 4runners 4-low 2nd gear at 19:1). Many of the Toyota guys were doing this in 4 high (14:1). I have a Scangauge 2 and once I got up to the Rocky section my transmission stayed at around 190 F.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring your passport was a beast btw
D Yang ty sir
I like it! Where are you guys from?, socal?
nightster gl thanks for likey! Yes, we’re from SoCal, south LA county
Hi, I’ve watched your vids since you had your first Subaru. I have a 5th Gen 4runner w KO2’s. Was the 4runner lifted? Awesome trips!
Hey raypizarro, I was the 4R in that vid, I'm lifted with Eibach pro truck lift at about 2.75" in the front, but the rear im running the eibach load leveling springs which I can adjust the height. I think I'm at about 2.5" during that trip
Thanks Randy, I am still stock w KO2’s and RSG sliders, mine is an SR5, same color as yours. Do you think I can make it up there stock height or having RCI skids At least would be better if I run stock, thanks!
@@raypizarro I think its doable stock if you choose the right lines, you may come away with some scrapes and dings. I definitely hit my stock skid plate once or twice but I was rushing my departures over some rocks. Other than that, I inspected the day after I didn't see any real damage. I would definitely go with a buddy and make sure you utilize atrac to the fullest and carefully choose your lines since you don't have a rear locker. I mean JonDZ made it up there with no problem on his passport so it should be a breeze for you. Hit me up for a run next time, we need more 4Runners to represent especially in Magnetic Grey :)
raypizarro, hey thanks for all the support over the years! I think the perfect example of a stock toyota truck making it through was the white Tacoma. All he had was tires and wheels, so that’s basically what you have. Randy is correct, if my passport could make it, then that means your 4runner could make it. Your vehicle has 9.5 inches of stock ground clearance and if you plus sized your tires you’ll have even more. What will help you out are all the offroad goodies like 4 low, wheel articulation, and lots of maximum ground clearance (your side overhangs are 18” stock). Just get your wheels to run over the highest point of the trail and you’ll be good. Randy, let’s plan another trip out here.
What mode were you in? Mud ? Sand?
Ivy Zilla “Mud Mode” the whole time. This mode offers more low rpm gas pedal precision
Nice one! How was that Ridgeline doing? Do you have any info about his lift and wheel/tire set-up?
The Ridgeline had a 2 inch lift and 245mm tires. I don’t have the exact height but they were probably only about 30 inches.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I see. I guess 2" is the sweet spot for lifting the ridgeline, maybe avoid stress on the axles and whatnot.
I know it sounds weird, but the 3.5” lift kit will have less stress on the axles. This kit utilities 1 inch sub frame spacers that put less stress on the axles. I just got the kit installed a month ago. I have 12 inches of true minimum ground clearance now. A 1 inch true minimum gain and a 1.5 inch max gain from the 2 inch kit
Check out my Instagram, I have posts about the 3.5” kit.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Oh nice. Thanks a lot for the info man.
No Fish ?
Unfortunately not, haha! Not a fish in sight!
I heard a lot of revving from that white tacoma, was he using low range?
I would also say 4 low does help a little in controlling downhill speed even at 36:1 but you still need to be careful and use the brakes or DAC/crawl ctrl if equipped
I believe some of the Tacoma's chose to stay in 4 high
Where is that outlander dude?
chriss Whites that’s @revving9k! He said he wanted to come up here, so maybe on the next trip he’ll be able to come out.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring Can you guys defeat black bear pass in your rigs? It may be a milestone for ya'll, but definitely will prove the capabilities of a crossover for most buyers.
chriss Whites I have a CZcams colleague that did black bear pass in a 2018 Subaru Outback. It’s all downhill so not much of a test of a drivetrain. Now Hells Gate in Moab, that would prove it’s worthiness. KIA had a professional driver + spotter complete it in a Sorento, but it took serious cosmetic damages and I’m not a professional driver 🤣.
Where was the tough part?
Depends what you're driving if you have 40 inch tires on your vehicle you probably won't even need four-wheel drive. For the average basic for 4wd setup on Toyotas and other vehicles up there there's a little challenge.
Thanks that was helpful