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Try F16 vs F35 with toxic in F35
P-38 vs Mosquito?
From what I've seen the wreckage was found in the woods somewhere, looked like outside of Charleston?
If a F-35 crashes in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? @@inquisitorbacon8170 😆
That would be interesting. Two twin engine beasts. My guess would be, it would come down to the rate fight. Here's hoping he does it.
That awkward moment when the stealth is just too good and you can't find your downed fighter.
Yep, they found it.
@@nando03012009 Bro i just said that.
Russian stealth is superior. Their pilots haven't seen it to start with.
@@Le_Church They found it.
@Le_Church I know. I was agreeing with you. Lol
Everyone is talking about where that missing F-35 could be.
Meanwhile, I'm thinking: "Damn, that pilot is never going to hear the end of it."
Cornfield Bomber 2.0!
The pilot might hear the end of his career though.
naw fam, if he punched out by accident and lost that aicraft for no reason, he aint ever gonna fly again. my dad new a guy who was combat cam for the af, he worked hard to become a flying combat cam, so hes in th back seat taking pics of the jets. well in his vey first flight the pilot was gonna give him a good ride pulling gs and tricks, well he thought thy where going down, punched himself out. pilot landed, af was pissed and he never flew again.
@weazel235 that's a little different though. That person was trained in combat camera and can still be effective at that job. The pilot on the other hand was extensively trained to be a pilot. You take that away and now you have retrain him in something else. He's also not likely to ever make that mistake again. I think it would be a tougher call to make than you would expect.
@@weazel235 This. The pilot has final authority over the aircraft - this happened before on 2 February 1970; 1LT Gary Faust ejected from an F-106 that was in a flat spin, and the change in flight attitude and weight kicked the plane out of its flat spin. Faust was never reprimanded for ejecting (other than some ribbing by his fellow pilots).
The C really did a great job countering the 22, the larger wings most definitely play a huge roll in that.
huge roll, haha good one
On the mercy of Raptor
The C is the least capable dog fighter. It has a larger wing but it’s also much heavier so it’s wing loading is higher than the A or B.
And also rated for lower g force.
+MustangsCanTurnToo But the wing of the Charlie is just THAT MUCH bigger than other two variants - that's 58m² against 42m². Even with greatest weight of all three, it still does have the lowest wing loading among them. And don't forget about different layout of control surfaces paired with enlarged stabilators.
I love how when he flies by the camera and opens the bay, it's like a kid opening his mouth to show he swallowed his food. Fantastic
I was gonna ask why he did that? Why show there are no missiles in the belly?
@@sogerc1 I think it's sort of a bragging thing
@@gogofuntime_ytdamnit! Now I'm never not going to think about that whenever I see it lol
That was the weirdest fucking comparison ever
I was thinking it was more like dropping 'trow and mooning your opponent!
you should do more videos with you piloting and showing the stealth capabilities of the F35
I am confident with you in the F35, the airplane will survive and even kill the F22.
I don't think there is a cockpit model for the F-35. I assume that is why he has never done one
@@Vsorthey have one for the Raptor, how hard could it be to whip one up for Any?
Unfortunately neither are accurately simulated. They're still very classified. I've seen quotes from generals saying the f35 is stealthier than the f22. In 2005 one said the f22 AND f35 are stealthier than the b2. And recently a few more have said the f35 is stealthier than f22. Nobody outside of the field knows the true RCS or what any of its on board systems are capable of.
Just going by specs the f35 should be better than the f22 in every single way besides guns only BFM.
Nobody knows how they are for sure except for lockeed martian and high ranked officials. But I’m going to say it’s true that the f22 is more stealthy. It’s not fat like Amy is🤣
They found the F35 debris in South Carolina 2 hours northeast of Charleston.
2 hrs by car or airplane?
@@walpolescrew by boat
By walking
@@walpolescrew by alpaca
It seems like a silly question at first. But, a pilotless aircraft flying on autopilot…
I would love to see an F-22 v F-35 in a BVR scenario.
F22 wins 100%
yes and the f35 is a british/german which has meteor missiles
He's done it before; with both AMRAAMs it's either a mutual kill or the Raptor snags it. If the IR systems on the 35 were modeled it might be a bit more difficult
Same here.. he always talks about the F-35 not being a dog fighter and the F-22 is the best dog fighter out there. Yet here are- dogfighting the F-35… So set up a fight where the F-35 has an advantage….
Show what the capabilities of the F-35 really are and where it excels versus the F-22. If it only exists because it’s cheaper than the F-22, then make an F-22 fight an equivalent dollar value of F-35s
@@ekjunge The only way the f35 could have an advantage against the f22 is if the f22 has a handicap
i like that they got around to fixing the model of the f-35. the old one seemed to follow the stereotype of the plane being fat therefore sluggish, truth is that thing is insanely manoeuvrable and while its no f-22 as this video shows, its not like it can't give it a little trouble, old model was getting shit on by early 4th gen fighters, this is much more like what you would actually expect to see from it
the reason for that is because the early models where limited by software. kinda like your phone, features get unlocked with new updates. trust me trying to update a jet is not fun.
People have said the modern F-35 can outmaneuver just about any 4th gen fighter, at least the American ones. It’s no match for an F-22 but it can somewhat hold its own in the merge
@@airbus7373 in guns only f22 is probably superior. With missiles i think f35's radar, helmet locking, software, and IRST abilities would win out
One reason Amy is called fat is because she’s slower than the raptor. She just doesn’t have the same legs. She’s not nearly as happy as Monica, who was just happy to be apart of the program.
@@jjkrayenhagen The raptor is #1, it makes no sense to call #2 "fat". Sounds like some RT shit.
I think in light of current events, it would have been hilarious if Toxic would've ejected at the merge once.
Hahaha as a bonus 4th round. In the B variant no less!
That F-35 flying on its own reminds me of the Cornfield Bomber incident were a pilot ejected from his out of control F-106 and then started flying on its own after the ejection. It's a great story to look up.
Can we all give "Toxic" some credit for flying the Fat Amy against the Raptor? I mean, he's basically a toddler agreeing to fight a peak Mike Tyson.
That's a little rough but .. 😅
GS should fly the F35 and show us how it's done.
Would not be surprised if the ejection of the F-35 pilot was accidental. I remember this happened to an F-15 near Tyndall AFB. A hose in the cockpit became undone and snagged on the ejection handle. The pilot did not know this and pulled the hose up to reattach it. BOOM out you go. Perhaps something similar happened to the 35.
i'm thinking the same thing. it was still flyable.
assuming he put it on autopilot and then ejected afterward I think he got disoriented, tried to let the jet sort it out for him and put him into a straight and level, didn't like the result and bailed out.
@@garykleinsteuber4529Yeah alot of the times when you eject the plane either turns off the engines and turns off the autopilot or have a timer that it self destructs.
Pilot must be named Gus.
When are you going to fly the F35? Use it for what it was intended, doing like a bvr mission or something like that. I think that you are an incredible pilot and can definitely make Fat Amy shine
No cockpit model in dcs yet - I’m assuming that’s why not
Agree 100%. Starting to think GS has something against the f35. 90% of the f35 videos is putting it in a position where it has no advantage and everything that makes it great isn’t applicable. Dogfighting it against an f22 guns only is just a dead f35 for the laughs
sigh the "Fat Amy" was a PROTOTYPE one with hamstrung half finished flight control system limited to 7g max ... that thing didnt even have radar or its stealth coating at the time ...
the production F-35 is superior to a F-16 in a dogfight ...
The F-35B is the "Marine" STOVL variant, which shares the smaller wings with the "Air Force" A variant. The F-35C is the "Navy" carrier-launch variant with the larger wings. Neither B nor C have an internal gun, as you pointed out.
I can understand the B variant but why doesn’t the C variant have an internal canon.
@@mitchjames9350 Probably a weight saving measure to offset weight increase from it's carrier configuration.
That's why I prefer F35A, why because this A variant can pull g's up to 9, while the B and C variant, which is STOVL and Carrier base can pull g's upto 7.5 g's on B and 8 g's on C. Even though B and C don't have an internal gun while A variant F35 has it.
@@mitchjames9350the refueling probe, navy and marines use probe and drogue airforce uses boom. The A’s cannon is where the refueling probe is on the other models.
The navy was worried that once the aircraft enters gun range, the aircraft's stealth capabilities will not be as helpful doe to the close range
also, I'd like to see you pilot the f-35 and go up against the raptor.
...or else get a real F-35 pilot to go against you.
@@jimamerine8391 Those guys are not allowed to even make eye contact with other people let alone demonstrate how to fly one in public forum
jk obviously, but good luck finding one willing
This scenario makes me think you should put the same aircraft head to head. Like Raptor vs Raptor, Warthog vs Warthog, Tomcat vs Tomcat etc. I think that would be quite interesting. Love your videos! Keep up the great work!
I was thinking the same
I think it would be interesting to see how the F-35 does in some scenarios it’s more designed for. BVR with Russian or Chinese 4th Gen fighters, some of the bomber escort missions like you did with the F-22 a little while ago. The F-35 as you say isn’t a dogfighter, but if things go as they should, it should never need to dogfight. Everything should be dead before they see it, from miles away.
Jesus Christ you executed the pilot with a headshot in that last A-model fight. Brutal.
I love how well the sheer scale of the Raptor shows in that last kill shot.
How come you never fly the F35? You literally have no videos of you flying it.
The transponder on the F-35 was malfunctioning. It was supposed to be on, but was not. Therefore it was not able to be tracked. It was found last night/early this morning.
That's poor maintenance and that plane should've been grounded just based on that.
Dang, I knew the F-22 would come out on top, but that last kill was just brutal!
1:52 from what i know F-35 are fitted with corner reflectors during "regular" flights(so real radar signature is kept secret), as well as IFF system should've been enabled, so most definitely F-35 was lost not because of "stealth capabilities", but because of lots of incompetency concentrated around this case
Loved at the end you opening the bay doors as you rolled towards camera! 😄
I was not a fan of the F-35 for years, but recently I saw a video of the F-35 performing alot of the same maneuvers as the F-22. Raptor is by far better, obviously, but I'm liking this platform now.
i personaly think f35 is better
I guess it can actually do those crazy high angles of attack stuff, it just struggles to regain energy. That's coming from a pilot (not me) who was part of the program. He didn't elaborate more than that though.
It can't do those without losing all the energy it has. It's just not a dogfighter and if it ever did those in combat it would get killed on the spot.
@@lars9966Well as an overall platform the F35 is incredible. They packed so much technology into that aircraft.
@@lars9966 I do not disagree, but they have to figure out what's taking down F-35s. I would like to see this fight again but with @GrowlingSidewinder flying the 35.
The C variant has or had a G limit of 7.5 compared to the 9 of the A. If I remember correctly.
The test pilot who flew all three said the C model is more maneuverable because of the lower wing loading despite the lower g limit.
@@huffytoss i guess the C has worst max turn radius but has a better sustained turn radius.
Yea, between pulling G's and the salty humid air out on the ocean, the RAM coatings don't hold up well for the Naval C variants, so gotta limit those G's.
Iirc The b model has a 7g limit
@@huffytoss Yeah, I remember on the Fighter Pilot Podcast a test pilot saying the wing on the C model is really the best one for the F-35, period. And the g limit is for the Naval version is likely due to foldable wings, not stealth coating.
I live 5 minutes from the F35 crash site. That thing flew 75 miles north on autopilot after ejection. Crazy
GS we need to see you dogfight in the F-35A/B/C. PLEASE
BTW fun fact: the F-35A can do psm. (Which does include the cobra)
P.S. Love your content!
It can do those maneuvers, however it's limited because it's.. well y'know.. fat.
It's basically a fat hornet with 3x the electronics. 4x if it's the B model.
@@Slight- Does it though? Sure it can pull AOA but it loses all of its energy because of how the airframe is made.
@@mikeyplayzwrld + it doesn't have maneuvering thrusts like the F22...
@@mikeyplayzwrldyes but, it can gain energy every quickly. It has the most powerful and advanced engine of all time.
@@TehShinegami but it does have slats and elevators that can deflect at high degrees.
The downside of stealth. Damn, where did i park my F35😅😅😅
Just grab the keys and hold down the panic button! Lol
They found their F-35. Turns out it fell in between the couch cushions again.
So when you going to BVR the F35..?
I was reading an estimate based on the actual cost rather than the publicly declared cost, and it's realistically closer to $140m for the B variant that was lost, due to the cost of the VTOL engine and some fuzzy math on the reporting of costs
Estimating costs gets weird. It’s realistically more practical to have a range, just because depending on the accounting conventions you want to use any specific figure is going to vary a lot.
Especially when it comes to big ticket programs with tons of associated costs/sub programs it’s just better to look at overall program costs to get a picture of expenses rather than jump through hoops trying to get unit costs.
You should just eject from the f35 and see what happens lol
While on auto pilot…
30 years in Levenworth😝
I absolutely love that you use the battlefield 3 song when you get a kill
now i wanna see the f35 dogfight 4th gen fighters like the typhoon, hornet, and flanker
Would really like to see the F-35 face off against the F-22 in a BVR scenario. As you mentioned. the F-35 wasn't designed for this. Bring the F-22 into the F-35's world and I think it is a much more interesting fight, especially if you were in the F-35.
Would love to see the French Rafale versus the British Eurofighter.
Considering that battle Penguin managed to juke you for as long as he did...
I think we all would like to see YOU fly it.
In fact, i was kinda hoping today was the day, since you usually fly the underdog.
Now i know you have some sort of apprehension about flying the F35 in your videos.
But i'm pretty sure most fans are DYING to see what you can do with one once you got your bearings in it.
You honestly should have opened this video with the F 35 pilot ejecting preemptively like Jester and the plane soaring off into the sunset
The F-35A would have performance comparable to the F-16 but the F-35A has better thrust and acceleration due to the better engine and more aerodynamic design. The A model would be the best dogfighting variant due to the internal gun and the lack of all the extra stuff the F-35B has, as well as smaller wings with less weight.
The F-35 would be excellent in a dogfight, but against an F-22 nothing will survive.
I dunno. The f16 is quite a bit lighter that the f35. I'd think the f16 can turn better.
@@bonedoc4556 yes the F-16 is lighter but the F-35 has remarkable performance, from what we know the F-16 has a better max turn rate but the full capability of the F-35 is most likely far greater than that of the F-16.
F-35 with 9x and using its IRST and HMS should be able to hold its own even against F-22...
sure guns only Raptor wins, but with its avionics using missiles the 35 is literally capable of shooting at targets BEHIND itself ... which means the second you go in its WEZ you are dead without it needing to put a nose on target
@@Asghaad exactly, the F-35 is maneuverable too so in guns only it can hold its own against many.
@@bonedoc4556nope, f35 can out rate the 16
“Losing a 100 million dollar aircraft is crazy”
I would agree GS, but considering the defense budget.. I think it’s been taken care of. 😂
It sounds like a lot but it is only about $0.30 in taxes from every American.
@@arcosiancosine1065we do pay 2% of our salary for the military.
Military: "you lost our plane"
Pilot: "What plane?"
I wanna see more dogfights where you’re in the underdog fighter, wanna see how good you can be against a better fighter!!!
would be so sick to see a side by side view of both pilots perspective.
How good is the F-35 model in DCS? I'd never expect it to win in a dogfight. What I'd really like to see is a Fox-2 fight.
@@RW-zn8vy Sorry - I meant a dogfight with a F-22.
@@RW-zn8vy We don't know much about the SU-57 either... yet they've made it quite competitive in DCS, even against a Raptor. In reality though... it might be as stealthy as a F-18.
@@artiefakt4402, it's fanboy syndrome. They build the planes according how "popular" each plane is and based on the hype you hear. If you had the actual performance numbers dialed into these planes on DCS, I think you'd find out that things would go far differently. Not only the performance numbers, but the actual capabilities of the planes systems as well.
This whole video just felt like the F-22 playing with its food. I’ve seen a lot crazier maneuvers out of that plane in these videos and a lot of close opportunities where a slight pull would have ended the fights a lot earlier.
Great video, see these kind of fights is amazing!
If the radars were modeled accurately (and there's no way they could be) a BVR fight would be interesting IMO.
The fight we are really looking for is GS in a F35 getting it on with a Raptor and winning it.
The F35 went to the same place my socks go when I put them in the dryer and then they're never seen again
i really don’t like that a lot of people believe that the F-35 isn’t maneuverable, it is really maneuverable for a plane without TVC
Really not many pilots or ground crews refer to the F-35 as "Fat Amy", it's more of a nickname given to her by defense contractors and aviation enthusiasts. "Battle Penguin" is another unofficial nickname for her as well.
I have heard "fat Amy" is mostly a DCS community and crackpot defense analyst nickname.
@@Momomaster25 Exactly, if I hear someone call the F-35 fat amy, I know exactly where they get their information from. All F-35 pilots I know call it "Panther" or "Battle Penguin"
The Raptor definitely is ahead of its time🐐
I love these high altitude dogfights man.
They found the debris field, but if they didn't I am willing to bet that Bubba and his boys took the plates off to throw on this truck to avoid speed traps and putting that jet engine in too
Do BVR
hey GS, pleae make a video where YOU fly the f35!!!
The F-35 that got "lost" was being flow by the Marine Corps. The aircraft experienced a malfunction that auto-ejected the pilot without the pilot's consent and crashed somewhere in South Carolina. My buddy in the Corps stated that the situation proves why the Marines can't have nice things and why they aren't given the new toys; they just find a way to break them early on.
@GrowlingSidewinder My brother is a crew chief for the F-35 wing stationed in Lakenheath, England. Let’s see some F-35 vs. unknown!!
I don't want to sound ungrateful because I am grateful for your content, but I wanted to see you fly the F-35 ⚡⚡
Insane that the Navy/Marine Corps versions don't have an internal cannon. I thought this lesson was learned over Vietnan...
Sitting here thinking the same thing.
The difference in missile range and tracking between then and now, though.
maybe they just werent design for such. but hey gun pods still work
@@abstractedaway
But based on an assumption of variables, while having low statistical probability, are still possible in an engagement. I have never had a fire, yet I keep fire extinguishers in my house and vehicle, under the assumption that if I ever do need them, I will really badly want them available immediately...
The air force came to the same conclusion, and retained the gun.
@@BeingFireRetardant Still very unlikely that scenario will ever happen again. Especially since you will never have a lone F-35. It's more worth it to save the weight for the next 50 years than to load a gun in the fear that you might have a gun fight.
I'm sure there were people saying how much more reliable horses were than cars whenever they broke down in the early 1900s. Doesn't mean anyone would take a horse over a car in a road trip of 1000 miles nowadays.
That`s the way the cookies crumble.
”’The F-35 cannot match the F-22 as an air superiority fighter-it was never designed as such. The US Air Force’s initial plan was for the F-22 to be its high-end air superiority fighter while the F-35 was developed essentially as an air-to-ground strike aircraft capable enough to protect itself.’” - USMC Lieutenant Colonel David Chip Berke (Ret). CO of the first USMC F-35B squadron.
Love the Raptor vids.
Day 120 of asking for AH-64 Apache versus Su-57 Felon
one day...
The Raptor was meant for air superiority. The F-35 is meant for SEAD/DEAD operations and BVR engagements. They're not really comparable.
My guy does this dogfight request occasionally yet never does it in the F-35.
Will the proliferation of stealth airframes increase the amount of merges and dogfights in the future?
I think BVR and Fox 2s will still be a thing
Hey man,
I'd like to remind you, that you are the better pilot in the dogfight most of the time. On top of that, if you also fly the jet , thats clearly the better one of the two, then the outcome of the dogfight is certain. Which makes the video overall much less exciting. The video would be much more interessting if you would happen to fly the F35 or generally the worse jet.
Hes done that many times.
He does that when flying an F-15 against any version of the Flanker or flying anything against the Su-57 Felon.
@@TridiverParanormal doesnt change my point.
@@markymarknj doesnt change my point.
@@markymarknj su-35 vs f-15 isnt as big of a diffrence like f-35 vs f-22. F-22 air superiority fighter vs a multi role jet. When it comes to su-35 vs f-15, its not even really clear which one is better. You as a american of course will say f-15 but you will never know.
*F-35 Jet Mystery Ends as Wreckage Is Found*
Debris was found north of Charleston, S.C., one day after a pilot on a training mission ejected and the military lost track of his jet.
GS is such a good fighter I feel like he could probably win in either jet. I would like to see a series of videos where they swap jets - could be separate videos that contain links to each other.
Hulk sittin in that F-35 flying around....
It's so cool when both crafts work together.
You know the pilot watched it in stable flight as they were coming down in the chute and was like oh im in so much fucking trouble
The last round. Cobra with Fat Amy. Priceless.
Opening the bay doors really be like "look ma, no hands!"
"Dude, where's my F-35 ?!"
I wanna see you do more planes against the F-35. I'd really like to see you in the F-15 and F-16 against the F-35
It’d be cool to see some missions with the F35 where it’s being used for its intended purpose.
A 100mm aircraft that can’t punch its way out of a paper bag when it comes to a dog fight. Just what we need.
Dogfighting is peak performance. Return to prop planes as there's no other considerations.
You have no idea what your talking about.
Cornfield Bomber 2: Stealthy boogaloo
I think there needs to be a Fat Amy vs. XYZ series that gets done. F16, F18, F15, Flanker, Mig 29, war birds etc
We know that nothing can out dog fight an F22. What would be a "fair fight" would be Beyond Visual Range combat. In that scenerio, I think the F35 will come into its own assuming that the sensor suite is integrated correctly into the model. The quarterback will not beat the coach.
If the f35 crashes near my house, it's mine, not giving it back. That what's call mutual feelings.
I think we need to see Battle of the Gun Pods: F-4 vs F-35 B/C.
It's also known in Air Force circles as the "Battle Penguin"
The missle might know where it is.🤔
Was going to buy an F35 on DCS, but one fell into my backyard yesterday!
I came to read the comments, and I wasn't disappointed.
Pilot walks out onto the parking apron..."Hey, where's my F35??!!!"🤣😝😝
Fat Amy has like a triple redundency location system. A spare battery powered one in case it loses power and another power supply in case the backup battery also is damaged.
Should do a pilot skill matchup F22 v F22 with someone like Toxic at the stick
Noo wayyy, a few days ago i was thinking a video like this would be cool, and here it is! :D
hey, great video, can you also do a fight where you fly the F-35 if that's possible? doesn't matter whether dogfight or bvr fight or against which aircraft. would just be cool to see you fly that thing!❤🔥
Awesome video as usual dude. Do think that was an unfair fight 😂 but still fun to watch. Everyone knows an F-35 doesn't stand a chance in a dog fight against anF-22. Like I keep saying man you should use the F-35 against a whole range of plains in BVR. Think you need to prove to yourself that it is a ridiculously capable stealth platform used in the way it was designed. I truly think you could beat most if not all aircraft in BVR. Wish you would do it. You might find a live for fat Amy. Would be interesting to see if DCS has the cockpit and your 360° visual there for you to use. 🤔 just a thought, but keep the sick videos coming. Great Chanel mate.
"Mom! I found a F35 stealth fighter in the woods behind our house. Can we keep it?!"
"Ask your father."
Poor Toxic. That probably wasn't the most fun he had today.
You would think a multi-million dollar jet would have a tracker, but no, no they wouldn't.
I can imagine that purely from the perspective of the volume of film you produce, GS, it can be difficult to come up with new content.
I really prefer when you fight in the lesser aircraft, though.
Hi man, yes you're absolutely correct it can get hard to come up with new content, but rest assured I will always fly both perspectives of a fight, the F35 isn't ready to be on the channel yet as it doesn't currently have a cockpit. Once we have that I will 100% fly the other side of this fight as well.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Very good point that I didn't consider at all. lol