(UPDATE) Building a moving bed barrel filter (DIY) using HEL-X 13 bio media (KOI POND)
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- Update on the moving bed barrel filter.
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solvent weld fittings
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solvent weld straight coupler to attach media cage
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push fit connector
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Disclaimer
These videos are not ment to be instructional.
Any reviews, how to videos or information given are just from my own experiences of koi pond keeping and may not be suitable for everyone. I hope you enjoy watching this video Regards Andy
Mate I didn't even know they were meant to go on the outside I e just got a couple of washes so glad to know this before I put them on. Thanks 👍
Hi mate, I've never made that mistake before, but with filming I took my eye off the ball. Thank god the forman Bizley spotted it, plus wrighty 😁👍🐾
@@DerbyKoi 😉👍
Great build, thanks for the update, Bizley is a star
Thanks Brian, Bizley is definitely the star 😁🐾
I’d not seen this one Andy thanks mate
Thanks for watching it Kevin 😀
Well it would be Terry (Wrighty) noticing, which is always a good thing. Nice update, I love that media! It's boiling perfectly. Perfect timing from Bizley!
Thanks Lau, what would we do without Terry 😊. The new filter is working brilliant, really happy, and Regards to that Bizley, he's got to get the attention (well deserved 😁). Stay safe 👍
@@DerbyKoi Exactly! Terry is a proper master
Bozley wants your attention 🤣 great update mate, I did share you build video on Facebook as someone was asking about building one. Thanks
Hi mate, Bizley had a game of football 😉, thanks for sharing the video much appreciated, stay safe
Jobs a Goodun 👍
That Hel-X 13 is great stuff👍
Cheers mate, I did quite a bit of research and the reviews were all good. Thanks for watching 👍
Moving bed's working very well mate, nice job. Soon be pond covers off time 😁😁😁😁 take care mate, Terry.
Cheers Terry, cant wait to get the covers off. I'm really looking forward to this season, lots of new build, new channels to support and maybe a couple if new koi for me. Stay safe
Jobs a Goodun 👍
Nice update Andy the moving bed looks great 👍
Thanks Glynne, stay safe mate 👍
Great video Andy will be doing my filter tomorrow and putting some gel in too stay safe 🙏🐟🙏
Thanks Carol, looking forward to the season start now and get these covers off. Stay safe my friend
Jobs a Goodun 👍
Thanks for updating us. Be interesting to see what difference it makes
Cheers Ivor, hopefully it will keep all my water levels in check 👍
Great information and build. Pleased to see your channel grow. Well deserved
Cheers Tony, I'm overwhelmed at the support I'm receiving, thanks for your lovely comments. Stay safe
Jobs a Goodun 👍
Working great 👍👍👍
Cheers mate 👍
Love the update glad to see its working
Thanks Thomas, so far so good 👍
Nice update mate 👍 bio filter looks great keep us posted on ur water testing
Cheers mate, water tests coming this weekend 👍
Great build. Keep it going. Greetings from the Netherlands
Thanks Dennis, welcome to the channel 👍
Hi Andy!
Great video that gave me the inspiration to build my own moving bed filter today! Paid particular attention to the location of the bulkhead washer and also adopted your technique of having a non fixed, rotational output pipe return based on water heights within the drum! Took further note of the floating media you had chosen too, will send you a few pics of my version of a moving bed filter! Cheers, Nick
That's fantastic nick, I've had such a good response from that video. Always happy to show others builds on the channel if permission given. Your build will hopefully inspire someone else to do the same. Look forward to your pics and or video mate.
Andy & Bizley
@@DerbyKoi Hi Andy, all my pics are on the extreme koi forum with a positive hint that your video was an influence to have a go to build one myself. I did try to email these pics to you but was rejected for some reason, cheers, nick
Thanks for the mention on the forum. Strange why the email was rejected. You can send them via my Facebook page via messenger 👍
Or you could try email again but send in 2 emails just incase the files were to large
Hi Andy
I’ve sent a few emails containing a series of pics of my filtration system built today and that of my existing koi pond filters that’s currently up and running,! Let me know if you received the series of pictures. Cheers. Nick
Liking the moving bed a real good Diy filter temps and filters will soon be on the up Happy ponding
Cheers Martyn, looking forward to the season start, it feels like winter has been longer. Stay safe mate
Jobs a Goodun 👍
Arrr Bizley want to have some fun, hope your both staying safe. 😊
Hi Mary, he had lot of playtime after recording 🐾🐾🐾. You stay safe too my friend 👍
Bisley obviously has great comic timing 😁👍
Ha ha, yes he does, a true diva 😂
Great update 👍
Thanks Paul, stay safe mate 👍
Well that works a treat Andy, looking forward to your spring update. Now go play ball with Bizley 😂
Thanks Jason, spring update on it's way 😁. Bizley is having a game of footy right now 😂🐾
Looks great 😊
Thanks Petra 👍
Good video Andy. I'm sure we've all made that mistake with the washers. On the last filter I built I didn't use washers but rather used silicon. That worked really well with no leaks at all. The washers are just a bit simpler to use especially if you need to make alterations at any time.
Oh BTW you might see me comment on your vids with this ID. They are both me. It's only I've started a small channel and I'm adding all those I subscribed to under my name to this one. Saves me having to keep switching accounts. Of course it also gives you an extra subscriber lol. Cheers Jim
Thanks Jim, probably wont be the last time I do it either lol. Annoyingly I did it correct the first time, then recorded the second and messed up. Lesson learned (maybe 😁)
Thanks for your support mate, stay safe
Jobs a Goodun 👍
Thanks for the extra sub 😁. Good luck with the new channel mate 👍
@@DerbyKoi Cheers Andy. I'm not expecting it to go crazy but I'm enjoying making the vids and learning to edit them.
That's what I thought, originally the channel was for family and friends to catch up and a memory for me, and 8 months later I'm overwhelmed at the friendship and support I've received. I too enjoy the filming (even the mistakes 😂). Just enjoy the new hobby and have fun
Looking good mate 😂😂funny pea pea as you said 😂😂😂💪👍👌
Cheers mate, must be the brummie accent 😂.
Nice boss, jumbo koi fish in a clear pond
Thank you 👍
Yeah mate love it!!! I should be finishing my stand alone static bed this weekend! Which I’m hoping will allow me to smash more food in there! Want the babies to grow this year!!! What you guna do switch between the jebao 45 for winter and the ea 70 for summer ? Covers are off for me weekend (Dartford) and floating pants will be put back in as they have started to grow again from the winter !!!! Happy times!!!!
Cheers mate, I hoping the jaebo will be enough but I have options if needed, my covers are staying on for a bit longer, weather next week says upto 18c in the day but 6c at night, too much fluctuations for me. Good luck with your filter build. Stay safe 👍
Hi Andy! Upgraded my previous MBF, a Rubbermaid 110 litre bucket holding 75ltrs of Hel X13. Now using a 500ltr black conical tower which is 1.5m tall by 0.7m diameter. It now. Holds 150 ltrs of media. Just got it up and running today before the heavy spots of rain came in! I added 75ltrs of new Media with the old matured media along with a Pond Bomb to help speed up colonisation of bacteria onto the new! If anyone wants my old mbf and a no longer needed easypod for free then let me know!
Hi Nicholas, sounds like a great new set up, wouldn't mind seeing pics of it. We've had no rain today mate. Re the unwanted filters can you private message me on Facebook or send me an email, derbykoiuk@gmail.com.
Thanks andy
Hi mate, I did return your email but not sure you've received it, can you let me know.
Thanks Andy
@@DerbyKoi hi Andy, nothing in on my email.
OK mate, I'll try resending it 👍🏻
Email sent
hi Andy are you using a pump before or after the moving bed thanks.
Hi Ken my pump is before i have a y piece so 1 side goes to my main filter and the other goes to my bakki river then into my moving bed and gravity returned to the pond.
The airtech air pumps are great but the replacement diaphragms are expensive as i run 3 airtech air pumps and have been looking a the jecod air pumps as their diaphragms are really cheap at £6 and you also need the flapper valve at £12 so not bad nice build on the moving bed
Hi Andrew, thanks for the kind comments, the airtech came with easypod as part of a package deal, I also have the jacod/jabro air pump and they're brilliant (so quiet). Hope they all give good service for years 🤞
Nice Andy! How do you get an even distribution of air flow? I have a similar setup but only central flow 😭
Thanks Sam, I'm using a 200mm round Air disc, 12mm air pipe (10mm inner) and 45L air pump which is used for the bottom drain and moving bed and controlled via a diverter tap.
Also remember if it's new media it will take a while to settle.
Regards Andy
my moving bed filter ( 60 litre barrel ) has been set up about 6 weeks now but I’m struggling to keep the medi ( hel x ) moving . I’ve got a big air pump and two air stones yet still only half the media moves , at times it stops moving altogether.
60 litre barrel and around 25 litres of media. Maybe I have to play around with air discs / air stones
Hi Rob, it could be that it hasn't fully matured, the warmer weather has only just started for the bio to become active, or as you say the stones need adjusting.
I've found the air discs are better
Glad you didn't pee peed in the new media 😂. Thanks for the update 👍
Lol cheers mate, definitely not 😉
You have not provided a drainage outlet. How do you back wash it?
I removed the media after approximately a month and the filter was clean, it would seem the agitation inside prevents detritus from settling, I will check again before my winter maintenance 👍
Hi Andy,
I wonder if you could tell me the size of the bulkhead elbow and air line you have used, I’m not sure what size to purchase, I have recently subscribed to your channel and really enjoying the excellent advice and tips.
Regards to you and Bizley 👍🏻
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This is what i brought and used this 12mm airline
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Hope this helps Andy.👍
Thanks Andy, much obliged for the quick reply, I will be able to crack on with the moving bed now.
Cheers Andy 👍🏻
@@alanrees7949 👍
Hi Andy, Good to see your still putting out videos of pond stuff. I have a question because I'm a bit confused with it all. I have just nearly finished building my pond which is 4 ft deep and about 2ft under and 2ft over ground level. ( about 13600L)I have bought a smart central heating pump and have a shed to house all the filtration. I was going to follow others and have a three barrel system with uv tube etc: but then seen your upflow filter, this was after I watched your moving bed filter and now I am confused. Do I need a biological filter which doesn't get changed too often to allow good bacteria to thrive, and then what ? a moving bed filter and then an upflow filter ? its all a bit much for me. Could you recommend what you think I really need and in which order to place them. Thanks very much, its hard when you have no-one to ask locally. Cheers. Jon Moore
Hi mate, the 3 barrel system is a great filter, generally the filtration is comprised of mechanical first then biological and then uv would be, if pump fed uv before filtration, if gravity then uv after filtration. If you decide the 3 barrel system then the last barrel could be a moving bed as most do. The reason I have a upflow filter is used as a fines filter to remove the really small particles and that depends on whether your pump fed or gravity fed on how that would work or you could use the flow from a skimmer like I have. Hope that helps, any other questions let me know mate 👍🏻
Dag hoeveel keer moet je blauwe ton kuisen bedankt
Ik maak één keer per jaar schoon, maar het is nooit vies.
Andy
Hello, I clean the blue barrel once a year but its never dirty
Bedankt
Ive found hel-x to be so much better than k1. Had the older version of both and afterc10 years hel x is still like brand new where as the k1 as completely disintergrated.
Hi Darren, I've had it running for that long, but I'm very happy with it so far, but it's good to know how you found it compares with k1. Stay safe Andy 👍
Hi Andy, what’s pp’ing the media ?
Hi mate it's using potassium permanganate to sterilize the media before adding it to the filter system.
Many thanks for the prompt response, just in the planning stages of building my own MBF 👍
You're welcome 😊
Good luck with the build, I'd love to see the finished project
Good informative upload what size barrel did you say it was and where did you get it from
Thanks David, it's a 100L barrel and all links to everything I bought to make it are in the drop down description. Thanks for watching 👍
hi andy, hope your well. what size pump do you need for this filter? . thanks in advance
Hi mate, I use a 35 litre jaccod pa35pump for the moving bed which also works the airated bottom drain
@@DerbyKoi thanks mate. Does it matter on the size of pump for the water intake. I'm trying to see if the water that goes from my skimmer then through my sieve will be strong enough as it's only 5000l per hour.
@@matcrutch1 hi mate sorry i thought you ment the air pump but my understanding is the water going in to the moving bed shouldn't be to fast as it needs some hang time to react with the media but it also depends on the size of the moving bed the bigger it is the faster it can flow through.
@@DerbyKoi no worries andy, thanks for getting back to me so quick. im actually not far from you. ever heard of Ashbourne?
I have heard of Ashbourne it's about 45min from me 🙂
Hi what size drum are you using .
100L barrel mate 👍
Hello. Can you tell me about this PP treatment you do please?. What does it do for your media?. How do you mix it?. I am buying 50l of Hel x 13. Can you tell me what PP to get and what ratio do I use and how long do I leave it in the PP?. Many thanks
Hi Kris, PP can be used for sterilising media, nets, equipment etc,
With the media it also etches the plastic so the bacteria can attach easier and colonize faster, also the media becomes less buoyant.
There are no measurements available for sterilising quantity, if I remember I used approx 1tbl spoon for every 50L of water.
the water should turn purple after stirring if not add more PP.
Leave the media minimum of 4hrs, 24 is better.
Then add hydrogen peroxide to neutralise the PP, (some dont do this, I do, I don't want to put active chemicals down the drain) add a bit stir, it should go brown, if not again add a bit stir and continue until it looks brown. Throughly wash the media clean before use.
You can get PP from any koi shop, kusuri make one I think.
Tip, do not put your hands in the purple water, it will stain them for days, 1 subscriber used his hand to mix and ended up looking like a smurf 😁
@@DerbyKoi Brilliant. Many thanks for your reply and help. On your other video you said you had it soaking for 5 days?. I assume the longer you leave it soaking in the PP the better?.
Yeah, there's lots of differing opinions online (there always is lol) some say 4hrs is fine others longer, the reason I left mine for that long was, although it was obvious sterilised within 24hrs, I found it still quite buoyant. So I left it soaking longer mate 👍
@@DerbyKoi ok yes I understand. Think I will do the same. I'm converting the last two chambers of my multi bay filter from grog to moving beds. I've never looked at moving beds before so new territory for me. Your videos are a great help. Much appreciated.
No problem, glad I could help, fairly new territory for me too, but as you know biological is just as important as mechanical. Good luck with your upgrades, thanks for your support.
Jobs a Goodun 👍
Hi moving looking good what size pump you are you using. And looks like it's gravety Fed to moving bed are you using 2 inch pipe or 1.5 inch pipe back to your pond
Thanks Brian
Hi Brian, the air pump is 45 lpm, 1 5" pipe connected to the 3" gravity return from the easypod which goes to the pond
No sorry ment pump from pond to shower before your moving bed
It's a 10,000 L vari flow pump which feeds the easypod and bakki river via a splitter and all return via gravity
Bubbling away nicely, that should give you plenty of biological filtration. Nice work 👍
Cheers Steve, it should be plenty of biological filtration 🤞
Stay safe mate 👍
Hey I’m using Charles Austin pumps three of them one for pond two for moving bed filter but they are really loud even in my shed with noise insulation foam around what is the foam you are using under your pumps is that why they are so silent?
Hi mate, the 2 pumps I'm using are evolution aqua (blue) used for cleaning the pod and is a bit noisy and jebao (white) used for pond air and moving bed and is super quiet, the foam has very little effect on noise, it is used to help reduce the vibration on the EA pump
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Thanks Robert 👍
Hello, what is this pure pond or solution that you clean to the moving bed barrel filter, and what is its importance, and are there alternatives if it is not available in my country, thank you very much
Hi mate, the pure bond solution is live beneficial bacteria, the balls or bomb are the same except they're trapped inside a biodegradable gel that breaks down in water slowly to release the bacteria, the importance of the bacteria is in your pond and filters is it helps create and maintain the necessary nitrogen cycle to keep your fish healthy
Do you have a link to the product where you have put the airline through the side of the barrel?
Hi Ben, all the links are in the drop down description 👍
hello can you tell me how you connected it to the eazypod
Hi Ricky, it doesn't flow into the easypod, it connects to the easypod outlet return using what's called a strap boss from screwfix.
The water going into the moving bed is filtered via my bakki river (using floss). Hope that makes sense
Hello can you help please i have a 6200L pond, will a 100L barrel with 50L of media be ok or should i go to 220l barrel? i have a brush filter and a bio filter thanks
Hi mate, depends on how many fish/size etc, but I have 10,000 litres pond and use 100 litre barrel, I may upgrade later but I think its sufficient for now
@@DerbyKoi Ok thanks i have about 30 fish in this one all about 100mm and they will be tranfered to my new pond that i will start building in june@ 45000L and i will keep this one for young fish.
@@jjohnson4479 it should do the trick as long as you don't over feed them 100mm is quite small even if there are 30 of them I would think this setup would only take 5000 LPH throughput as we had a 3 barrel system before we got a rotary drum filter we had 3 120L barrels with 2 inch pipe connecting each and it could only take 8000 LPH. You must have your mechanical stage before the moving bed filter you do not want any not even a tiny bit of blanket weed or string algae as some like to call it inside the moving bed we learned the hard way !
Hi,
I contacted you couples day ago and i am not a youtuber hence my account all over place. After seeing the video and like the way you build your filter in which I have a filter project that might interest you. My idea of filter is to use sieve filter with 60 micron mesh (using in RDF screen ) with automatic clean. So far i did not see it in the market or from DIY enthusiasm. If you interest on the idea then you can contact me to bring this idea into reality. By the way I live in Chaddesden i think near you somewhere. Regards, Van Ho
Hi, I see that you now follow me on Facebook, you're more than welcome to send me pics and video of your ideas and I will give you some feedback.
Andy
Hi, can I ask why did you use HEL-X 13 and not K1 or K1+, I am going to build one but was thinking K1 would be better?
The reason I chose the helix was, the reviews was excellent for moving bed filters, the helix has more surface area than k1 and k+ media is more suited for mechanical filtration
@@DerbyKoi Thanks for the reply and can I ask where you get the PP from.
Hi mate, I purchased mine from queni koi 👍
@@DerbyKoi Ok thanks for the help and info and keep up the good youtube posts.
Your welcome and thanks for supporting the channel 👍
What air pump you use?
It's called a jabeo also known as a jaccod 45L
sir how much p p (pee pee) did you use i have 50 ltrs to treet any advise for the amount would be gratefull
Hi Dave, To treat a pond/fish it says 6.8g per 1000 gal
I couldn't find any info on just sterilising quantity, so I used 1/4 tsp in 100L of water which was prob over kill, make sure the media is fully washed before adding to filters to remove any pp and water needs to be above 10c. If new media I would treat for 7 days.
1:30 intro 😂 ugh
Thanks for watching