bts and the normalization of invasion of privacy
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- čas přidán 15. 01. 2023
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isn't it funny how ytb won't let me call out st*lkers and the pap*razzi without redacting half my script but their content "exposing" celebrities is shared everywhere on the internet?
armys, don't forget to turn on CC!
sorry if the audio sounds weird, i changed microphones for this video but i think i may go back to the old one.
and i'm sorry i had to redact a lot of the script, youtube kept saying it was not appropriate 😒 isn't it kind of funny how i can't call out st*lkers and the pap*razzi without redacting half my script but their content "exposing" celebrities is shared everywhere on the internet? 💀
Yeah their so-called "standards" are a bunch of b.s. We appreciate all the hoops you jump thru and how hard you work 💜
Thank you for this video and for all your work. 💜
at this rate the world would turn into a bad normal💀 hats off to you for continuing to speak out on important issues
this is such an important issue thank u so much for being brave and for all ur hardwork 🙏🏼💜
The constant audio redaction was annoying and distracting. That's so unfair that you have to jump through all these weird hoops of CZcams's. And they're missing things that truly are inappropriate. You're explaining something for the good of other people.
ARMYS LIKE SERIOUSLY PLEASE STOP SPREADING BTS MILITARY PICS AND INFORMATION UNTIL AND UNLESS IT COMES FROM BH OR THE MEMBERS. NO OTHER CITIZEN'S PICS ARE SHARED THEN WHY ONLY JIN HE IS SERVING AS A CITIZEN OF SOUTH KOREA NOT AS OUR JIN. LET HIM SERVE AS A NORMAL CITIZEN.AND FOR THOSE WHO SAY IT COMES FROM AN OFFICIAL PAGE ITS FOR THE FAMILY OF THOSE SERVING WE ARE NOT HIS FAMILY DONT CROSS THE LINE
LETS NOT CALL THEM ARMYS
I swear I am fed of seeing Jin’s picture getting circulated !!! 😒😐😐😐 This is not ok
@@shygun0613you're totally right. also let's not call those people armys anymore. we always say we want a fandom cleanse, but i think that no one but the fandom itslef can make it happen. i think we should start preserving our name, ARMY, the name that the boys themselves gave us, to REAL armys only. for those people who spread pics videos and other things the title 'casual fan' would be perfect tbh.
@@comforttannies7 THIS!!
First, the military released photos of Jin and the other soldiers. ARMYs and the media don't have special privileges to take the photos. Stop blaming other ARMYs, you are misinformed.
ARMY should stop engaging with any media, sasaengs or fansites contents. They are nice enough to share a lot of social media, from reality shows to their Instagram pictures, they are giving us a lot and we DON'T need more than that.
I don't care if y'all are "worried" about how Jin is doing, he will update us when he wants to or through the members, like with J-Hope last time. I prefer to spend the rest of the upcoming two years with zero news while happily knowing they are respected, and so as their privacy.
Exactly this. Jin is a very private guy. He will show us what he wants to show us, when he chooses to do so, and we need to continue to respect that. The fact that he himself has not released anything since his entrance ceremony should be enough of an indicator for everyone to back off from these so-called official pictures. He's not posting them, the members are not posting them, and HYBE is not posting them, so they are NOT official.
@@ystrw exactly! The fact that the members don't share or Hybe means he doesn't want them shared. I see comments where ppl say that if u rather not see him for 2 years then u are not a true ARMY and don't care. We care but we also respect the fact that ppl want their privacy as well and are willing to give them their space.
@@JJordan19821 Oh, those comments are silliness- no, worse than silliness; that kind of thinking is where stalking begins.
Those people don't understand that the first and most important part of being ARMY is, as you say, respect. Respect for the seven members, respect for fellow fans, respect for other artists and other fandoms. It's not in the least about how often we see Jin, it's entirely about respecting his stated wishes.
Exactly!!! That really needs to stop !!!
Exactly! I'd happily go until 2025 with no news from the members while in the military than add to the pressure they feel to be perfect for the camera 24/7. There were people sharing his daily menu saying that it makes them feel less worried, as if we had access to his daily menu before?? Jin recorded videos to be shared while he's away and he can call the other members and ask them to update us, and Bighit has probably prepared some content with the rest of the group too for when they have to go. We don't need to know what BTS is doing every second of their day. They give enough of their personal lives for our entertainment as is, we don't need to take away the little bit of privacy they have left.
13:34 As BTS said (mockingly) in “UGH!”
“What's wrong with you getting some hate? You make bank, why are you whining again. You should be willing to put up with that bit.”
They were mocking people that say things like “because youre famous you signed up for this.”
I hate that some people treat celebrities like objects. The people who hope that Bad Bunny faces repercussions are imbeciles or ignorant… maybe even both. I hate when people get in my space, so I can imagine how these celebrities feel when they’re being harassed. Thank you for posting this educational video!
The girl was even touching him leaning on him it's a wonder she didn't trip the poor guy up. I'm sure he has could bring counter charges on the grounds she was assulting him by touching him without his consent.
I thought she was with him because of the way she acted. That lady deserved it because she acted entitled. I bet TMZ would defend him if he is American artist.
There are thousands of cases we are pissed, that does not gave us the right to damage others properties or hurt others unless is personal defense. It does not matter if is Bad Bunny, President Biden, Bill Gates, the pope or Jane Doe if you reacted damaging others property because you can you should acept the consecuences of your acts.
It is awful to have to be accountable in public for all and that one small lost of composture cancels a life of polite behaivour but that is life, we liked or not a single mistake can cost us all.
@lemonssssssss4 real
I'm completely on Bad Bunny's side, I would have done the same
I really take issue with people saying that "they chose to be famous" like no, they chose to be an artist who makes music. Fame is just the really bad downside of that job when you get successful. They have made it very clear to us what their wishes are, anyone who tries to say its fine they aren't bothered by it has been wilfully not paying attention and ignoring it.
Yes. I hate when people say celebrities owe fans and should allow fans full access to their lives because they want their money. No, they don't perform to get your money, they perform because they want people to hear/see their message and appreciate their art.
Exactly this! And even if they did choose to be famous, that doesn’t mean they’re choosing to be stalked and harassed. Your job title doesn’t make you more or less of a person than any other
Totally agree with all of you
@@julieharris4700 Also we've paid for the music, or paid for the concert we got what we paid for therefore they don't owe us any thing else.
Agreed!
The members made a choice to pursue creating and sharing their music.
Fans/general public then MAKE A CHOICE to decide that the members should have to share their entire lives.
The invasion of privacy that comes with 'fame' is a CONSCIOUS CHOICE of the audience, not the artists.
"Just because something is legal/normalised, doesn't mean we should do it." 👏🏼🙌🏼❤ Nailed it.
We really need to understand the military enlistment is NOT fan content. It is not some schedule for events or bangtan bomb vlogs. Meal focused accounts for Jin are not necessary and using that military website is not a good practice. For one Army is in the millions and we crash websites OFTEN. Why would we intercept the traffic to those sites??? Additionally, in order to use that site, you need to know where he is stationed. It’s an invasion of privacy!
This kind of content is SO important, and as someone who fell down all kinds of s0lo and biased rabbit holes when I was a baby army, I really wish I had found a channel like yours way back in 2017. Your videos are always perceptive, fairly balanced and well researched. The fandom is SO big now and it's hard to communicate the way we used to. I remember back in 2020 how we raised $1 million in 24 hours to match bangtan's donations, or how we organized for every single comeback from 2018 - 2020. I feel like we've lost some of that with how big ARMY is now, so again, a clear and unbiased narrative is really appreciated.
thank you so much! i've also noticed that it's become harder for the fandom to communicate like we used to. there are just so many of us and so many impressionable baby armys. i might make a video about this soon👀 thank you for your support💜
Everything you said is so true and its crazy that this culture is normalized! I remember one time Taehyung did “respond” while he was in the airport by recording the saesang’s faces, and while the majority of responses were on his side, some of the replies calling him “rude” and “arrogant” was maddening to read. Entitlement is such a disease to fandom
IKR
tae was so iconic for that. he needs bring that energy back fr
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and now also jk for saying to stop fans or sesanges to send food . so sick of this fake love
The biggest reason why these invasions of privacy continue is because of fan engagement. Fans who watch the videos, fans who click and re-tweet the photos, fans who subscribe to the channels of the people who go out and continue theses disgusting practices, they are the problem.
If fans would learn their boundaries then there wouldn't be an income for the people who do this, and these guys would finally be able to have some peace of mind to live a private life.
Agree also I believe this should be inforced by law. laws need to be put into place so people who break the artist’s privecy are punished
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Also, I'm praying for RM peace of mind. It must have really hurt his heart to have that temple sell him out like that when he trusted them for so long. Its just sad how people can be sometimes 😔
I have blocked every dispatch account I can, to avoid the temptation of watching their "updates".
Loving BTS is also respecting their wishes of living normal lives 💜
What is a dispatch account and how do I block it?
@@brendamiller5785 dispatch is korean agency reporters, they mostly make news abt celebrities to the point stalk k-artists to know who they currently dating with and another thing that could be considered invasion of k-artists' privacy. In my knowledge they have Instagram account and Twitter account. Also if u want to know abt dispatch just google it, my english is bad sorry
@@brendamiller5785 yes, distpatch share gossips about korean artists, and although they are not the only ones, they are one of the most invasive. For any of these accounts, you can press the three dots that appear in the corner of the post/video and select "not interested", "don't recommend channel" or "block this account"
@@naughtybunny7100 they also have a CZcams account and I don't know how to block it from my recommendations. It's soooo annoying.
It would be so much better if we could block channels from our searches too.
Loved the video and I think as a fandom, we should be talking about this more often and stop normalizing this behavior.
I had a long argument with someone who thought it was okay to film JK in Qatar and she kept saying that the person filming was keeping their distance and didnt "touch" JK, and thus he wasn't harmed. No matter how much i tried to explain to them that it's an invasion of priavcy, they just weren't budging. This stuff will continue to happen for sure, but please at least ensure that *you guys* aren't intentionally or unintentionally invading the tannies' privacy.
To me the issue about those signing up to consume Jin's pictures is cut and dry. 100%
In order to sign up for that friends/family website one of the things you need to input is the location of where the person is assigned. His location was leaked by the military and he very publicly and swiftly stated he had no plans to release that and didn't want it released. He wanted us to KNOW this very fact. Therefore, you as a fan should NOT have that to input when signing up.
And no, if you are "only" consuming someone else's pictures from these sites and then liking and sharing them, you are just as bad and subjecting those pictures to the rest of us trying to abide by Jin's wishes.
His location was released without his consent😳? It’s getting worse than we can imagine 😳 we need to spread awareness
Yes, exactly! I don't understand why people keep trying to justify themselves by saying these pictures are from the camp's official site. We were not supposed to know which camp Jin was going to be at in the first place.
Yes!! I was looking for this. I think this is the only point bora missed to mention!
Up up up
Exactly! I was just going to comment this. The media leaking things without bts consent and 'fans' (not real army) using that leaked info for their own personal gain to see his pictures and know his every move. This is so wrong
this is a great video. it made me think of a clip from a while ago that showed taehyung being followed by a fan in the airport who was taking close-up pictures of him with her phone--he got so irritated he took out his own phone, held it up to her face, and started snapping pictures himself to give her a taste of her own medicine. she reacted by immediately covering up her face and turning away from the camera, which proves both that she knows she was doing something wrong and that she knows having your picture taken without your consent doesn't feel good.
but the most amazing thing to me is that even in his frustration, taehyung was thoughtful and respectful enough of HER privacy to keep his phone camera on selfie mode so she wouldn't actually be in any of the pictures (though of course, she didn't know that at the time). i think that whole moment was extremely telling, and i wish they could be more vocal about their true feelings on this without being painted as "ungrateful" or "rude."
I felt so sad about joonies case 😭 he trusted the monk so much and the next day he saw articles on their conversation :( if I were him I would be so angry and sad at the same time...
Everything you said it’s correct. As Army’s we should be the ones to protect their privacy and do not fall in the paparazzo’s and stalkers game. We should stop them, if it’s true the love for the boys. The boys(grown up men) need to have their own life and privacy, they don’t owe anything, their music is pure love to us, and we are the one who hurt them the most, if they like someone in IG or replay messages to other army’s , they are human being with desires and affections same as us.. I really hope this video open the eyes of all the army’s instead of criticize them, love them the way the are.
Thank you for your wonderful video essay that goes straight to the point Respect their privacy. Thank you again.. Bangtan Forever 💜💪🏻
What else can we do?
paparazzi behaviour is legalized in the US, how sick is this?💀💀
*ending with Shadow was very on point, great work!
I know what you mean at least here in the UK we do have some protections and paparazzi and Newspapers here have been taken to court and fined.
The behavior of paparazzi in the us is just vile. Even worse when celebrities (specifically girls) turn 18 it’s just…. I can never imagine having to live like this. For anyone to have to live like this and getting blamed instead of being seen as the actual victims. It almost feels powerless or helpless🥺
One thing I like about France is the fact they understood how messed up the business is 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
thank you for the really insightful and honest video. I know many have been debating whether Jin's photos were okay to share or not. At least now the answer to that question is pretty clear and backed with a strong reasoning for why its not. I can only hope going forward Army recognizes the way not all information about the BTS members comes from a good place. Hopefully we can consume less and the 'demand' for it will decrease or at the very least, we can do more on our behalf (when it comes to consuming this type of 'media coverage') to protect their privacy.
We cant control the media and paparazzi but we can do a small thing - not consume those illegal photos they spread. Not give them clicks or views. Be mindful of the way the info or pictures they post were taken. And ofcourse the main ARMY rule - not approach BTS on their private schedule. I hope most of us can do their part and make it a bit easier for the guys
every ARMYs need to watch this. If you love them, respect their privacy.
great video, including the shadow mv at the end was such a nice touch
one of the things that really gets me about fans who want this to be normal so bad, is that we get soo much official content and updates from them themselves already, so why should we be itching to see even more to the point we’re invading their privacy just for a photo? Waiting to hear from them will be much more rewarding. Something I notice too is that so many of the “fans” that actively share this content are solos or diet solos, like most of the time. The tweet you showed was talking about “non jin stans” 😭😭 all armys ARE jin stans. We all miss him and wanna see him but seeing photos of him THERE just upsets me knowing he can’t do anything about it, and bts just being there is upsetting enough.
As ARMY, we should respect BTS's wishes and privacy. I hope that as a fandom we can talk about this issue and understand our limits. We must remember that celebrities are human too, just like us fans. They also have feelings, boundaries and a personal life apart from the spotlight. Thank you for bringing awareness to this issue Boracity! 💜
Wow you've really opened my eyes to this issue. I knew treating celebrities like objects was wrong but I never took it for being this bad. I didn't even realize they're basically exploiting Jin! They're only doing this to Jin! Now this must stop, enough is enough, BTS don't have to vocalize that they're uncomfortable. It doesn't make it right. Enough spreading. Jin will update us with what he WANTS to update us. Thank you Bora for another amazing video
this video needs to blow up so people get awareness about what they are truly doing
this video needs to be SPREAD. so many armys on other social media sites aren’t aware that by engaging with and spreading this kind of content is really harmful.
I feel so angry about the fan behavior at the airports and pushing their phones on the members faces. 😡
With easy access to taking pictures and videos, cases of invasion of privacy have increased a thousand-fold. It is harder for celebrities to go incognito these days. I do not envy that side of their lives at all. Anonymity is something we take for granted but it is a very precious thing to have for celebrities.
This was a really great video, thank you for making it. The Jin military training pics make me especially sad. He wouldn't want us to see that, no matter what any 'fans' might say otherwise. He's said over and over again that he made a conscious choice years ago to "only show my good sides". Being so powerless over your own life must be really really hard. It breaks my heart tbh. And makes me really angry towards the Korean Military for putting any public figure in that position.
Don't be angry at the military those picture were only supposed to be seen by his family and personal friends group. Be angry at the invaders of his privacy which are those who found out which camp he was at who then sign up to the camp website pretending to be one of Jin's personal friends so they could spread those photo's which were not meant for them around the internet. Let's place the blame were it belongs. Lets every time we see one of those leaked/illegally gained photos flying around speak out and say STOP that is not an official photo that's stolen from the military site that's for 'Family and Personnal Friends' ONLY.
We need to spread the word speak out against those who illegally got hold of those photo's and speak out against any who would spread them.
@@eileencritchley4630 Nah, no doubt there is blame to be thrown at those people. But the military is the one taking and publishing those photos. They know there are celebrities enlisted, they know that the pictures will spread and I think it is their duty of care to protect the privacy of their soldiers for the duration of their mandatory enlistment. They should have separate & direct communication set up for public figures and their families. And if they don't have the resources for it, then they should allocate some. 1 person, 3/hrs a week and a computer is all they would need. It's grossly negligent at best, and at worst, it's a form of endorsed propaganda. The blame lays firmly at the military's feet.
@@faithslayer500 One would have thought the Military would have set up their website that shows the photo's with better cyber security. That sit was only supposed to be viewable to Family and Friends of soldiers not member of the general public.
@@eileencritchley4630 I fully agree. And given that they've done nothing about it, means that they endorse the pictures spreading. Which means it's Korean Military Propaganda and a really unsettling abuse of power over the male celebrities, who are citizens of Korea. I wish more people would hold them accountable.
@@faithslayer500 I completely agree with you.
I remember reading an article of a female British celebrity who was banned many years prior from stepping in the US for a couple of years because she hit a paparazzo.
By the time I read that article she had again access to the country but I was completely shocked still and it happened in the 2000s+.
By the way, I have noticed that most of the people who complain about celebrities not accepting photos,videos and giving autographs in public explain that these celebrities are shameful because they would be absolutely nothing without the fans and these fans deserve all that
It’s interesting how is the actor who practiced, auditioned, stayed in a camper for 1-2 months, memorised body language and long conversations, had 4 table read days a week that lasted 16 hours each but people who consume all their work in 2 hours/12+ hours (for tv series) feel as if they deserve a prize for enjoying their work.
This reminds me of of actually manipulation and narcissistic personality disorder in which often a person feels entitled to you because they did the bare minimum or simply feel a certain way about you; for example some man man might consider a woman beautiful and attractive and he feels entitled to receive her respect and service in all occasions. Or toxic parents who feel that they deserve a lifetime of service from their kids because they gave them food and a roof. (Even worse, many people express how their parents might beat them badly but still feel like good people because they then reveal that at least they didn’t tie them in electric cords like it was done on them by their legal guardians/parents). - I come from a culture in which I respect my parents and everything they have done for me, I am obviously talking about the extremists. Even my mother uses the excuse that she gave me food so I should behave and do everything she says but she is aware that many parents of WAY crazier and take this seriously and feel like saints. A bit like Harry Potter’s aunts feeling generous for letting him sleep caged under the stairs. I had to explain it all because I wouldn’t want to sound offensive or extreme and end up in misunderstandings.
Isn’t it wild?
Whilst I must agree that some celebrities are overhyped (and I would go as far as to say overpaid in some cases) and are probably only temporarily popular/trendy unless they improve themselves and their work, and that other celebrities might be better but are not that popular in the public and are lesser known and paid; I can’t phantom myself physically feel that entitled because THEY were the ones who gave ME a good time, I would actually thank them and tell them that they did a great job/made me happy. All I did was literally watch the series on my couch eating snacks and be lucky I met was at the same place as them at the same time.
(This is valid also for singers and other celebrities).
There is a thing such as mutual respect and gratefulness but those don’t equal to extreme unconditional devotion, that’s manipulating.
Well said
How can an American be banned from entering the US, their own country, over that ? I don’t think that’s true.
@@KookiesNolly
I made a mistake, it was Lily Allen , a British singer banned for hitting a paparazzo when in the US and had her work VISA taken for a while.
I corrected it.
@@matrix-theoriginal.7266 oh makes sense. But still kinda fucked up. Paparazzi are a plague!
"no response doesn't mean consent"
I agree 100%. Celebrities are not objects. This is their job. Just as anyone else who has a profession. How would you like for crowds of people following you home from work or taking pictures at church. Or have your doctor or priest release details of your visit with them. I was appalled to hear of this event. I pay for a ticket to see their concerts, music etc…that’s all. Celebrities don’t owe me any more than that. I’m satisfied with what they want to share. I respect BTS, specifically for their kind response to the paparazzi . It must be so frustrating and difficult for their families as well.
Bravo well said.
That's the mindset some have that celebrities "owe" their fans and the public full access to their lives because we buy concert tix and CDs. It's crazy! Why does a person have to put their ENTIRE life on display for public consumption because they are famous??
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I feel you have the best and most accurate information and I look forward to your next insight. Thank you for staying so vigilant as ARMY. I am a 75 yr old woman from America and value your content immensely!!! (See its true ARMY is of ALL ages!)
Hey there! 55 yo American woman here!
Apo Bangpo!
I wish armys in other platform, not only twitter, had this conversation. On Instagram and tiktok they don’t seem to care at all. I don’t know about facebook. At least on twt we talk about it. I know young armys that take their bts’ news only from youtube and I’m afraid of what they might find. Does anyone know of a bts news channel that doesn’t share stalker photos? It would be very helpful
Sadly in every country, this is the same mentality... If someone is a public figure then everyone else is "entitled" to every aspect of the celebrity's life 24x7. The only thing to do is to be logical, respect their personal space and not follow or share paparazzi photos/posts. Thank you again for making this! 💜
In regards to the military service, also think how the military is gaining so much engagement from 🐹s pictures on social media. 'Armys' are giving their military and government FREE propaganda by sharing all his pictures, and his everyday move. It will only increase as other members start to join so please be smart about it. We don't want them to keep using them, so please don't share anything about their enlistment and let them serve in peace. I'm sure they're already going through a lot
I fully support Bad Bunny throwing people’s phones away when they put it in his face. NOBODY likes randos coming at them, phone in hand to harass them, regardless of how nice they try to act. Especially if you’re a woman, you know how annoying it is to have random men approaching you on the streets since you were a child like… what’s not clicking??? Regardless of the intention it’s annoying and even frightening to be at the receiving end of unwanted rude approaches like that.
Some people really need to learn some manners. If basic human decency doesn’t come naturally to you maybe you broke phone will serve as reminder.
can't thank u enough for this vid... this is such a good reminder to us fans that by granting and respecting bts' wishes and request regarding their privacy and safety is one of the best gifts and favor we can give them... 15:18, I want to tell this moron to shove his awful words and twisted way of thinking to himself, we loyal fans of bts know better how to treat them with love and respect as humans should to each other, let us not allow these intrusive, invasive, abusive media people get away with these awful actions just because they've been doing it to everybody all their life. 💜🙏🏼
Do not follow gossip channels by CZcams vloggers too. Do not watch their videos. Man, I hate those rumormongers.
is your favorite celebrity working (eg. it's a concert, red carpet event, fan meeting, or other official schedule)? cool! take pictures, say hello, interact with them! the rest of the time? leave them the heck alone!
just imagine what your reaction would be if your boss or a customer or coworker walked up to you in the middle of a family dinner at a restaurant and wanted you to whip out your laptop and fix a problem with an invoice, or hop over behind the bar and start serving coffee... because I don't think any non-celebrity would be ok with that happening to them, nor should they be.
the argument that celebrities want our money so they should put up with the lack of privacy is utterly nonsensical - buying someone's album or watching their movie doesn't magically give you the right to the artist's time and attention outside of official events - all you've done is exchange money for a product - and the artist is not the product.
Another amazing video, completely agree on all the points you've made. The fact that there are people like that one tt account who claim to be fans but at the same time excuse this behaviour is smth I'll never understand. We often hear "they chose this lifestyle." No, they didn't. They didn't choose to be stalked and harassed on a daily basis and to have no privacy. I strongly believe that even if the media can't respect them and their wishes, at least we as fans should to show them that we really care and that they have our support
Exactly, they know they're in the wrong, so they are just making excuses for their disrespectful behavior.
No one wakes up one morning and says,
"I want to be harassed, stalked, have my privacy invaded in all kinds of ways, maybe put myself in physical danger.
I want to find something like that... "
Agreed!
The members made a choice to pursue creating and sharing their music.
Fans/general public then MAKE A CHOICE to decide that the members should have to share their entire lives.
The invasion of privacy that comes with 'fame' is a CONSCIOUS CHOICE of the audience, not the artists.
There were some times in the past when they showed their discomfort more clearly... I remember one time in particular when Taehyung was being followed by sasaengs at the airport who were shoving cameras in his face, he suddenly snapped and took out his phone to film them in return, as if to show them what it felt like. He really looked angry. Other times they literally had to run from being chased, or their security physically had to protect them from being mobbed, and they seemed really scared. There's also a scene in one of their documentaries when they realise they're being followed by an unmarked van with paparazzi and Hoseok says that kind of thing scares him. They've also mentioned several times that they need to have privacy, that they don't want to be followed, that they constantly have to change their phone numbers etc. They've talked about it on livestreams and said "please don't do these things," Big Hit has released multiple statements about it, and they've taken legal action against a few individuals. Those are just a few random points off the top of my head.
Sadly I think they've had to train themselves over time to 'act natural' and smile no matter how uncomfortable they are, because they know it's the most effective strategy to avoid escalating situations or having someone create an unfair 'scandal' by antagonising them. That does NOT mean they are actually ok with paparazzi, stalkers, or regular fans who don't respect boundaries.
When ARMY was smaller and it was easier to organise, there were multiple times when we made projects to protect the boys. For example the 'Purple Ribbon Project' when ARMY gathered for official events and we would hold long purple ribbons creating a clear barrier to remind everyone not to run toward the boys and to maintain a clear pathway for them to walk on. Taehyung made a post holding a purple ribbon and thanking us, and all the members have mentioned in interviews how touched they were by that.
We also protected them when they were travelling on private schedules (e.g. info was leaked that they were travelling to a certain country or city on holiday, so we made sure every local ARMY spreads the word that if you see them you should not approach them, if you must approach them be very polite and brief, never take photos without permission, if you see them somewhere do not mention it on social media until some days have passed so their location doesn't get revealed, if you see anything shared without permission just report it etc). The members also mentioned that they were aware of these efforts and thanked us multiple times. The care and loyalty that true ARMY show is clearly so important to Bangtan, they appreciate so much that we respect them and try to make space for them to have private lives. It breaks my heart that we are not currently living up to that standard.
Im glad someone voiced about this. This was really needed. Nobody takes this seriously, I am really glad you spoke up about this bora.
I was very sad that the conversation that RM had with the monk in the temple was leaked.
More than sad it was disgusting, whatever happened to confidentially?
Thank you!!!! Louder!!! Let's open the conversation once and for all, loud and clear.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS MUCH NEEDED VIDEO!!
This also goes for kmedia leaks about comebacks or music releases. Please don’t hype any leaks coming from the media. BTS work extremely hard on their music and other content that they prepare for us. So please let them announce things on their own time. Don’t let kmedia or other media spoil their surprises for us. Respect them as artists. Respect their hard work. Call out people who engage with and hype up media.
True don't listen to and spread gossip, wait to hear and see things from Hybe's/Big Hits official releases.
Thank You so much for this videos. I'm seriously tired of seeing some "ARMYs" invading members privacy and thinking it's okay because they're celebrity. I hope people realised that celebrities are humans like us.
watched this when it first came out and i totally agree that bts needs more privacy and paparazzi are so annoying.
coming back here because after learning about people sharing photos of jin from the military base (i didn't even know you could do that??), jin just shared his own photos from the army. it made me emotional because jin has zero obligation to do that yet he's willing to share updates because he loves ARMY 😭
this is totally an example of letting them update on their own instead of stalking them in their private lives or sharing personal details about them. i wish people would let celebrities breathe.
Thank you so much for making this video! I wish I could like it one hundred times. I feel like we have a lot of newer, well-intentioned Armys who don't understand this. BigHit specifically asks Armys not to go to airports, not to engage with the members if you see them on vacations, etc. Jin did not want us to know which camp he would be at; that info was leaked against his will, so it doesn't matter what the camp's site posts. Armys should not be seeing it. We are a large and powerful fandom. Yes, the paparazzi are out of our control. But if we set an example, hold ourselves to a higher standard, and stop consuming content that is released without the consent of the members, we really can make a difference, even if it's only small. If we love Bangtan, we have to respect their privacy. It's as simple as that.
On the topic of airport pics. When I was a baby army, other armys always said that it's okay to share the news sites pics with their watermark(like dispatch, newsen) because those are the official media outlets instead of fansites with a members name as the watermark. Overtime I realized that these media outlets are just as bad as sasaengs/fansites. I mean they're literally the same thing with different names (fansites specifically being member focused.) They are stalkers too. They invaded the members privacy and act ruthless shoving themselves into the members personal spaces. And even if they act nice, it really doesnt matter because they are doing something wrong anyway. I've seen the boys uncomfortable on multiple occasions. They know exactly when a member will leave and arrive. It's so normalized, it's scary. These are paparazzi and they do not respect or care about the boys at all. I just don't share airport content as a whole. All of them are blocked as well.
I haven’t watched yet but you are actually a god send, this has been bothering me and a lot of us really bad for a while now so I hope this gets a lot of attention 😭😭😭
In the first place ( even if I wouldn't be Army and not talk from an army point of view) from my common sense and from my experience ( my husband is a soldier since 27 years, in a neutral country, not in a dangerous situation with neighboring countries, thank God 🙏) it is super dangerous to give out information about where soldiers are stationed, pictures, full names or their duties. It is even forbidden here in our neutral country. It can put the soldiers and their families in danger!! I can't understand why South Korea has these official sites, from the government/ military, posting pictures, updates and informations!!! Specially because of the situation with North Korea!
8:00 this is so true and people need to open their eyes here. Jin is not an idol currently, he is not a singer nor a performer at the moment. He is an active south korean soldier which means he's just like the others in the camp. So why is other's faces blurred and their privacy being respected whilst jin's isn't? The military camp uploaded these pics but that doesn't make it okay for you to go digging to find them like God how do they even know the military sites name and location and they're still saying it's not stalker behavior. It's not like these soldiers have a choice whether or not they'd like the pics to be uploaded. Besides Jin said he doesn't want that and bighit said not to share unofficial content. These so called stans who share his military pics need to get some sense knocked into them because now they're disrespecting Jin's wishes especially fb, tiktok, ig armys and solo stans. God, it's going to be a long 2 years.
A REALLY LONG 2 years. I shudder to think what those ARMY will do when all seven members are in.
The boundary invasion is maddening
It makes me uneasy how many fans engage with content like this, and worse: when confronted, they send you to h*ll and happily continue.
But I'm so happy ARMY is one of the fandoms that actively fights and talks about this. Before I became a fan of the boys, I wouldn't really think twice about the content I'm consuming when it comes to celebrities - getting a snap of a celebrity in their everyday life was a victory. But after getting into BTS, many people within this fandom opened my eyes and I'm very careful about what content I share and consume. I've never seen so many people outraged by a picture of a celebrity during their private time before I became an ARMY. Same as not encouraging going to airports, following them around in public, hyping fansite pictures and more.
It really breaks my heart now how many people decide to stay ignorant and not follow the wishes of people who they say they love. And just like you said: yeah, they might be waving or smiling, but can you imagine if they didn't?
I'm gonna continue having these conversations and educating others on what I feel like is the right thing. If they keep going against the boys' wishes, I no longer consider them fans.
i get claustrophobic just watching these swarms of (mostly) females with their phones/cameras with extended lenses gather around the artists. i can't imagine how the artists themselves feel.
everyone should be like that one weverse army who saw namjoon on a bus and just listened to mono instead of bothering him or taking pics
Thank you so much for making this. It really does feel like we're shouting into the void though. It's especially discouraging to see so many supposed Army not only condoning but defending stalkers. So many people claim to love them but then don't mind that they're endangering them both mentally and physically. I'm absolutely heartbroken by all this and more so because this seems like something Army should not be divided on.
Just a thing, I want RM to see this video and repost it somewhere so that this video reaches out to more fans and paps too, and everybody you can think of 😭
I am sure he would agree with each word spoken in the video
I hate the paparazzi honestly, I could never be a celebrity if I had to have to face people legally harassing me on the streets every time I leave my house, I'd either never go to the US ever and be open and honest about why I'll never go there, or just never leave my house at all ever, and move to a country where I at least have a right to privacy and protection from legal harassment... like I could never. The fact that BTS just smile and take it is something I'm not strong enough to do that without getting pissed and cussing people out, holy-
I wish CZcams hadn’t forced you to censor common words, but great video in spite of the limitations you were forced to work with. Thanks for opening the discussion on something that needed to be said.
Just think this way "would you love getting stalked by people's whom you don't know, would you love cameras flashing lights right on your face and "fans" walking closer to you while holding their phones right on your face while you're at the airport? Would you love it if someone shares your private picture around??"
That's actually really scary, creepy and sad
This is literally a partial cause of Princess Diana’s death. She was escaping paparazzi. Then, got in a car that later crashed. In my humble opinion, it’s only a matter of time before a similar tragedy happens to somebody else. This NEEDS to stop!
Celebrities are public people but not public property.
That's right. We are fans and we love them for their music and right now jin is not doing his job as idol he is in military and that is completely personal as a person not as an idol.
The monk leaking the private conversation with RM, hurt so bad💔
¡GRACIAS POR HACER ESTE VIDEO! Es un tema tan importante pero que la mayoría de la gente o las mismas "Armys" ignoran por un poco de contenido . He estado muy estresada últimamente por todo el asunto de las fotos de Jin porque simplemente prefieren ver fotos antes de respetar lo que él dice o sus deseos, que no se dan cuenta que a el lo estan ac0sando para sacarles esas fotos o que solo dan contenido a los antis con eso . Ni quiero pensar como serán cuando estén los 7 en el sm, porque si no respetan a uno menos lo harán para el grupo entero 😮💨
Incluso con lo del monje, el primer dia todos estaban indignados pero al siguiente andaban compartiendo contenido ss o fotos del sm. La hipocresía 🙃 lo mismo con lo del aeropuerto, muchos se quejan cuando pasa eso en X país pero cuando pasa en ee.uu o en corea lo tratan normal. Cuando jk fue a qtar lo siguieron hasta el hotel! ¡¡No está bien!! Ellos son personas antes que idols
Bueno, el punto es: gracias por hacer el video, espero que llegue a mucha gente y que algunos reconsideren sus acciones 🙏🏻
Tu trabajo siempre es increíble, la mejor de la suerte para tu canal 💜
Thank you so much for this video!
It is so upsetting to see how human beings are treated worse than animals. If a group of people was seen crowding around an animal going about its daily life, they would be called out for animal abuse and may even face charges for harassing the animal.
If I had people getting into my face and hindering my right to live my life I would not stand for it, no sane person would. Yet famous people are vilified into accepting their basic human rights being stripped away.
You guys are not entitled to updates, whatever Jin wants us to know, we will know. He recorded videos for us, that is good enough. ANY purposeful consumption of these unauthorised media is stalking and disrespectful to JIn.
This year, I am working as a lecturer as well as a warden at a college so of course I always stumble upon my students at the cafe and some of them would look at me probably curious or just weird out seeing me outside of class time. And that's the first time I felt so uncomfortable walking and eating and at some point I'd rather not going to the cafe because I felt so self-conscious because they keep staring at me even though they don't have bad intention. And I finally truly understand how celebrities would feel and how they would be so frustrated. And I felt sad for them because they can't say anything. Hope more people be at least on their side when things like this happen. Imagine if you are in their place.
A few years ago the majority of the kpop stans hated sasaengs, now there's a lot of videos sharing sasaeng informations spreading everywhere. I don't believe in most of the infos on this type of video but is still something very creepy that's totally normalized
Thank you so much for covering this. People love to dogpile on anyone and everyone who talks about this, so i really appreciate you for using your platform and opening up a very needed conversation. I honestly cannot even imagine how the media and general public would react if a member ever declined people from taking photos, especially considering how they talked about Taehyung a few months ago for simply not waving at the pap*razzi at the airport. The thing is, I don't think a lot of people realize that while the media and ''fans'' are st*lking and taking uncons*nsual photos of the members, they're also pushing them to a very messy, twisted situation where they either have to ''suck it up'' in order to avoid everyone painting them as ''rude'' and ''arrogant'', or apologize for protecting, not only their own privacy, but also everybody's safety. I really hope people start seeing the harm it causes and rethinks what they reshare and who they're following and giving a platform to. Thanks again for another great video and thank you for your hard work!
As by as they are, bts set a new standard for Korea that no matter how big you are, you can still serve your country by joining the military. We as the biggest fandom in history, we should also set a new healthy practice that can inspire other fans too.
thank you!! paparazzi isn't really a thing in my country so even seeing that this happens and to such an extreme degree that people make a living from it is so absurd to me.
hobi has actually straight up called paparazzi scary
Girl thank you so much for making this video! 💜There's been a lot of divided opinions about this and specially latetly with the publish photos of Seokjin in the military. The best we can do as fans is not support this type of behavior and give attention to things like sasaeng content end fansites content that shows the members during their private lives and not public official events as artists.
Some people may think it's ok to share some content because the guys say hi to the paparazzi's and are not showing their discomfort like other celebrities, but if you have watched their posts on Weverse or any social media and the company's announcements, you already know their wishes. if you are a real fan, you should respect that. The guys have already expressed a lot of times how thankful they are when Armys don't share their location and pretend they don't know them when they found them in the street or anywhere so they can enjoy peacefully whatever they are doing and stay safe.
I have to admit that I have shared photos taken by media organizations like dispatch when they are at the airport to wish them a safe flight. That's something that a lot of Armys have been doing for years and trending "x have a safe flight" every time on twt. And look, I think you right, even if it's already normal for us, it doesn't mean that it's completely right.. I never thought about the airport situation that deep (except when it comes from "fans" and no one even knew they were traveling) so I'm honestly reflecting right now lol
Anyways, what that monk and temple did boiled my blood it's just UGH. I felt really bad for Namjoon. Knowing the fact the guys can't easily and openly trust anyone is just heartbreaking because we all know that just makes more difficult for them to develop real friendships, relationships etc. 😔 I hate how people treat celebrities as objects.. they are humans. The fact they chose this path doesn't mean they have to accept all these harassment and more. It's not ok.
“He didn’t know that interviewing with a journalist would lead to interview coverage.” Seriously? Be that as it may, the monk has no business divulging personal conversation to others, especially to certain reporters keen to earn from exclusive information.
I know his comments don't make sense. He was just trying to justify his wrongful actions.
This issue also made me more wary of "official" sources announcing when there will be a comeback and the like. Where did they get that info? Big Hit will announce the comeback when it's time.
Also, the paparazzi at 12:10 is fucking crazy. They follow the members around the whole day, knowing full well they were being asked to stop, then when someone steps in to protect their privacy they cry "assault" and threaten to sue?? That dude belongs in jail!!
And this has been an issue for a while. Remember when a certain 'news' outlet broke into Big Hit to find dirt on BTS?? I wish nothing but the worst for the paparazzi and hope the situation will become better for BTS and other celebs. BTS handles it gracefully but they deserve privacy too. I'm glad for every fan that keeps quiet when BTS visits their country 💜🙏🏻
I had not heard about the breaking and entering! Knowing Big Hit, I'm sure the maximum charges were pressed, but good grief, that's- I don't have words.
The way being an army can change your vision on many thing , before that paparazzi were not my cup of tea but when I was seeing photo on magazine or social media I was indifferent because it was normalize so much even on twitter there was an account where all the information on celebrity hostel , restaurant where . Looking at this now this is wild and people had no shame sharing that !
And being in this fandom now learning in deep all this you réalise how this so wrong even when it’s not BTS I can’t stand it ! Sometimes I have the impression we are the only fandom who is so strict about privacy & want to give them the opportunity to enjoy a normal life . Because for exemple I am watching a lot BL series and the amount pictures and videos I am seeing on twitter or TikTok is concerning the amount invasion of privacy these actors are victims is wild
Did you also have an eyes opening being army ? Me yes a lot !
I really hope this vidéo will be seen by many !
no, you as a fan do NOT have the same rights as actual family and friends. as FANS we should consume content that the artist themselves provides not content that they are simply in
ABSOLUTELY NAILED IT! THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO! I URGE EACH AND EVERY ARMY AND CASUAL FANS OF BTS TO RESPECT THEIR PRIVACY. PLEASE DON'T ENGAGE WITH MEDIA CONTENT AND AIRPORT PHOTOS. PLEASE DON'T HYPE OR ENGAGE WITH LEAKS ABOUT THEIR MUSIC OR OTHER CONTENT. BTS WORK EXTREMELY HARD ON THEIR CRAFT AND THEY SHOULD BE THE FIRST ONES TO TELL US ABOUT NEW MUSIC/CONTENT OR ANY INFORMATION. PLEASE SPREAD THIS VIDEO AND EDUCATE OTHER FANS TO RESPECT BTS' PRIVACY.
Sis, your indepth evaluations and logic on these matters is always on point! I agree, just because its "normal" doesn't mean its right or appropriate. Especially if the celebrity specifically asked fans not to do such things. Its about respect, simple as that. If the celebrity asks fans/people not to do these things and they do it anyway, that means they don't respect the celebrity. It is disturbing and down right disgusting, smh.
I completely agree. BTS members deserve to be treated as human beings first. They need our love and respect and that means we follow their wishes to make them feel safe and secure. You don’t get to choose how you think they want to be treated. That is their decision and right. If I see a headline or video title that has even a hint of someone invading their privacy or putting words in their mouth I avoid at all costs. I have avoided all the such articles about Jin or V and feel a sense of satisfaction that I am doing my part as a loyal fan for them. If they want me to know something, I am sure there will be an announcement or a live. I love that Jin has left us short videos to look forward to while he is away.
You set the record straight in an intelligent and constructed manner, every single point bearing its weight in truth. Thank you.
There are ARMY out there who would actually want to do right, but might not know better, so stating these facts in no uncertain terms is a service to the cause.
It might make some feel better to legitimate consuming any type of content deemed "informative", but actually invasive, however the only real legitimacy we have as individuals is that of control over our own behaviours.
Above and beyond the issue of legitimacy is that of responsibility. And if we are responsible, we'll make sure to respect these boys who already share a tremendous amount of privacy with us.
So, let's not be greedy, let the information come to us through the members social posts or BH anouncements. We get insane amounts of those daily so that has to be enough...
If we make a conscious effort to not go looking for information but take what's offered by BTS themselves, we can't do wrong.
Thank you!! This explains so well about consent and privacy. All ARMY should watch this. It's so upsetting seeing all those military pics, especially when it trends. He said it himself on weverse. That was the most diplomatic way for him to say he asked permission, but no one asked permission from him.
Honestly the rule that I live by now is if it doesn't come directly from BigHit or the members then it's a load of bs and a waste of my time so I read/look at everything else with a grain of salt.
Girl you don’t know how much I appreciate your work. Haters won’t understand but even their fans doing the same thing what haters have been doing for so long. Now we can’t even blame the haters for all these things when our own fandom have failed to protect them.😢
Just discovered your channel. You're so well spoken and your videos have such interesting topics. Thank you for this video, it's so important for fans to know this.
Thank you for the video this is really important 😭😭🫂🫂💜
What happen to Joon is very upsetting, it make me realised why they have to kept their close one and personal thought to themselves. Let set a good example to other fandom, be a respectful and protective army.
I wish it had subtitles in spanish and other languages because A LOT of people needs to be educated about this.
Amen to this video. Part of the reason of this invasion is the interest about their private lives and sadly part of the interest comes from some fans! I have seen a lot of fans spreading Jin's photo of his militar service, sasaengs photos, going to the airports and when that person was spreading photos (fake or not)about the supposedly relationship between Tae and Jennie, that person, the majority of his followers were theorical fans🙃. People have to realize that we are only fans and we have been very lucky that they share and shared a lot with us. If they don't share certain things don't investigate, don't spread rumours. Respect them.
thank you for putting into words what i've wanted to say about military and airport media. most military pictures i've luckily been able to escape seeing but it seems like no one cares about airport photos being shared around, so many big accounts share pictures and videos, and even fanartists i've had to unfollow and block cause they'll make fanart of bts at airport. people will condemn fansites but then repost paparazzi pics the next day and it's like ????? what happened to not engaging with stalkers? it's so frustrating that so many people overlook it cause its "kpop/k-fan culture" just cause it is doesn't mean it is right!!!!!
Dear ARMY friend, once again you nailed it. I totally agree. It's not because it's 'normalized' that's it ok. It's not because they don't yell at paparazzi that they like having cameras shoved in their faces or having a monk, of all people, spilling the beans on a private conversation. They don't like it. They don't want it. They feel oppressed and they have said it, showed it through their photoshoot when they were sitting in boxes with dozens of cameras and mannequin hands reaching towards them. They hate it. So if we love them, we should treat with the same respect and care we treat ourselves and the other people we love: we should not share that kind of content. If they realize the content doesn't sell, it won't happen as much because it's all about the money ofc. But in order to do that we need to have some self-restrain and a lot of us lack in that department. Thank you again for your content. Borahae!
If you can't find solace in a Monk, then who? I'm sure Rm will still donate for the children but its a shame that even had to take place smh thats like a Priest during confessions shares a private conversation with celebrity who is catholic.
Today RM arrived in my country, Italy. the way some of the army behaved at the airport was appalling. I love this fandom, but many of us have to learn to be educate
This was your very first video i couldn't manage to watch till the end because it makes me so angry and out raged . I had the same argument with sb when V didn't wave at the people in the airport after he came back from Celine. People were hating on him and saying he is being rude and selfies to people who have been waiting for him and he could simply wave . Then the staff at the airport explained that because of the massive crowd it was unsafe for him and others to stay and later on he immediately apologized on his Instagram to fans and paparazzis for not being able to stay and posted pictures of him for them. I was like in what world are we living in, in which celebrities have to apologize to predators who are invading their privacy and even people demanding apology for not simply being in the mood to interact with them? Even if that was the case people still have no right to expect a good interaction from celebrities at all costs and all the times. If a celeb is being nice to you and or giving out outograph and selfies with you they are doing a favour. It's not their responsibility or job to please everyone when they are being normal humans and not on the stage.
Just because he is a celebrity doesn't mean he owes anyone a wave or non consensual pics.
I Even see people saying that company clarifys that there will be people leaking their photos and even give the midea their personal infos . Or the company does it itself. So when the Idol signs the contract that means they agree with it. Again idols have to agree with a lot of things that comes up with a contract. That doesn't make it ok or consensual.
If you claim to actually care about the Idol excuses like this are just that. An excuse to justify your wrong behaviour . I had this argument with sb and i got banned from that channel for being delusional. I no longer know the meaning of this word to be honest.
And i had no idea that the law in the west actually protects predators to invade celebrity's privacy. I mean that it so F*ed up. Just because they accepted to be celebrities doesn't mean they gave an agreement to not have a personal life for themselves or any of these organizations that hide behind being "Official" when they are actually making people uncomfortable and unsafe . that doesn't mean the Idols are ok with them leaking their dates , pics and other infos. They are basically forced to be ok with it because that's what the fans want, not necessarily what they want. If they want to state their partners or dates or any personal information they will do it themselves.
There are just as you said stukers who don't actually care about anyone but the money they can make by bringing trouble and hardship for people by getting clicks on their so called "news". That is enough reasons for you to never follow these kind of people , let alone defend them just because they say they are official and not admitting that you are also no different than people most celebrities hate.
sorry but what is sb?
@@ot7apobangpo short for somebody
The monk's issue I must say disgusted me. Joon trusted him and the talk happened in private for a reason. RM knew he needed to cut off that place, I just hope he had a peaceful way of letting that place go. It was a safe haven for him.
And Jin's military wishes, no matter what should be respected. Also, I remember feeling confused when a twitter accnt started posting Jin's food in the military on a daily basis... Like uhm???
Bad Bunny's action was 🤌 Dasurved!!!
I still remember JK's reaction spotting this one fansite and from then on, my view of fansites changed. And even if I laughed and tweeted POV's of Dispatch trying to catch BTS' dating and meeting someone only to see JK riding his motor bike buying banana milk (it was a gag joke), I agree that dispatch is a st-lker sht.
Thank you soo much for this, I hope that everyone really listen to what you are saying