Fun Fact: There is an even more powerful version of Cthulhu Mythos called "Extended/Expanded Cthulhu Mythos", I'm not talking baout the likes of Demonbane or SMT, but I mean actual canons which authors expands the Cthulhu Mythos universe after H.P Lovecraft's death, making a new circle anove that of Lovecraft's.
Since projectfm didn’t bother to actually answer the question. In “through the gates of the sliver key” we’re shown that Azathoth is below the first gate twice. Once when we’re first introduced to Umr-at-Tawil, and an additional second time when Randolph Carter is shown the ultimate mystery. Yog-sothoth is the supreme archetype which all things are derivations and facets of, so naturally he supersedes azathoth
I would honestly go as far and say that an aspect of Yog-Sothoth like Aforgomon is enough for Azzy imo. Idgas about explaining a 10,000 word book in a reply section made by a group of 5 authors unless someone tells me too.
I wanna know something that Aforgomom is the entity who is the embodiment of time itself. And time is part of space-time itself and we know that Azathoth is beyond that. So wouldn't that mean Aforgomom is part of space-time which Lovecraft and his friends treated as absolute, infinite, flowing, irreversible, relational and ontologically real. It is not just phenomenal appearance, but is woven into the fabric of being itself. Like space-time is literally constitutes a single, unitary ontological foundation which is an ultimate point that is the source and precondition for anything else to exist. And this unitary point is infinite, eternal, unlimited and absolute. It transcends all particular phenomena arising within it. As all concrete realities are sustained by and emanate from this fundamental space-time unity. Matter, energy, minds, etc. are contingent on this space-time ground. And Azathoth is beyond this.
Ok so I think he's right; Azathoth does not dream up the entire reality thing, it is not even mentioned once in one of H.P Lovecraft's Novels in both Cthulhu Mythos and Weird Tales, it is only mentioned that when he wakes up he would destroy everything that has ever ceased to exist (Which is every universe in the Cthulhu Mythos/Yog-Sotheory) and the further gates and realms (Further Structures in the Cthulhu Mythos/Yog-Sotheory). Also, Yog-Sothoth is everything, the entire setting, the entire cosmology and character. H.P Lovecraft directly stated him to be omnipotent, and this is not taken lightly as in all the books that H.P Lovecraft wrote about Including the extended version and Weird Tales that only Yog-Sothoth is the only entity to be called omnipotent, it was never Azathoth or any of the Other Gods. Yog-Sothoth was also the true pure light, which is the weakness of the Other Gods, but he doesn't have to be their weakness even if he is not only them but also everything else. Yog-Sothoth is omnipotent, and he's everything and the SUPREME ARCHETYPE, from The Ultimate Void to the Physical Realm. Azathoth will never stand a chance, even if he wakes up or not
Well, in the chtuluh mythos books is stated many times that yog sothoth is stronger than azathoth, and the fact that azathoth dream reality is a cap because it is never mentioned in the book, azathoth is below the first gate and yog is above every gate, so, in conclusion, yog sothoth slams neg diff
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Depends on the tiering system, but for example, in csap (imo One of the best or the best) Is like: 1-chtuluh mythos 2-umineko 3-dark tower 4-the elder scrolls 5-demombane Maybe the list Is different, like: 1-chtuluh mythos 2-WoD 3-scp 4-sre 5-dark tower/twin peaks
How far does this universe in Cthulhu mythos scale Because i see people say azazoth is the centre of the universe but people scale hin to like boundless
@@Bloxfruitsistrashlmaocopethe guy is saying wrong information to you, Azathoth is more like the centre of all existence itself which is called as the Court of Azathoth but it's not even the peak of the original Lovecraft cosmology. As the Court of Azathoth would exist as an infinitesimal phase within the First Gate.
@@laa4157 No? Are you still using Lovecraft letter which is absolutely not canon to Lovecraft lore.? Skill issue buddy because Yog sothoth has no parent or anything like that which was blatantly stated by Lovecraft in his novel and lore. Plus Azathoth is below the First Gate
@@efrainenderhell9927 Elder god? What? Elder gods don't exist in the original Cthulhu Mythos they come from extended mythos created by Derleth so they are not canon entities. Plus didn't you read "Through the Gates of the Silver Key" story or what? Anyway the physical world and Dreamlands gods are called infinitesimal phases within this small whole. So the First Gate sees them as vanishingly tiny aspects of reality. And by extension the Court of Azathoth would equally be viewed as one infinitesimal phase among countless others (because it's just another thing ad infinitum that constitutes the the first gate which is a 3d part of that small wholeness).
@@ziadhulhok Your statement is erroneous, the clause presented, even with the correct source, the External Gods (correcting the error in my comment) is what I wanted to say, however they are aspects that are infinitely True Archetypes, after the final mystery, They are the type of multifaceted existence, Fundamental ideas manifested and incomprehensible, something that could only be measured after the supreme gate, In the Final Void outside all creation, those who dwell in the First gate give the Elders, Ruled by Umr-At-Twal/Aka avatar of Yog Sothoth, Your lack of interpretation is difficult to Understand the Perspective of One Metaphysical/initial Facet that encompasses all reality, the Chaos that begins creation and regency and support of it through the consciousness of Order, two smaller Facets of a much greater idea, Doing such idiocy dear "Silver Key Gates Reader" You remove all the symbolism, importance and especially the main aspects of what Lovecraft built and others worked on, and that's why I hate the Chuthullu Myths fandom and others, I ask you to please stop talking shit!
@@efrainenderhell9927 Hitchen Razor and Ad Hominem now scram plus I do understand the metaphysical ideas of the Archetypes, Supreme Archetype and everything else. Philosophy, ontologic, metaphysics and theology is literally my best arguments. Now also, who the hell are the External God? Are you talking about the God of the man's? Dude, are they some kind of character which is created by Ashton Smith or Walter C. DeBill Jr.? Also supreme Gate? Do you mean the Ultimate Gate? Elders? You meant the ancient ones? Buddy you are talking about something which does make sense but at the same time, it feels like generational yapping
Fun Fact: There is an even more powerful version of Cthulhu Mythos called "Extended/Expanded Cthulhu Mythos", I'm not talking baout the likes of Demonbane or SMT, but I mean actual canons which authors expands the Cthulhu Mythos universe after H.P Lovecraft's death, making a new circle anove that of Lovecraft's.
It has to be in the Lovecraft Circle however for it to be truly as powerful as in original tales. Just a reminder.
@@myjobistoshootfire7703there is something called Lovecraft historical society, you should look around them
Not exactly, it has some stuff and informations that upscales the verse by a lot@@myjobistoshootfire7703
That's fan fiction.
Since projectfm didn’t bother to actually answer the question.
In “through the gates of the sliver key” we’re shown that Azathoth is below the first gate twice. Once when we’re first introduced to Umr-at-Tawil, and an additional second time when Randolph Carter is shown the ultimate mystery.
Yog-sothoth is the supreme archetype which all things are derivations and facets of, so naturally he supersedes azathoth
Thank you, hated that he didn't even explain anything.
Yogsothoth>>> Azathoth
Found you in project fm
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hyper boundles+ JUST
True, yog is the omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent being of the verse he is everything, Azathoth is never stated to be omnipotent
Azathoth>>>>>>>♾️ hajun
yog sothoth is the only character lovecraft stated to be omnipotent and it is the entire verse including azathoth itself
That was stated by Carter in the Silver Gate
This is obvious but since some people are brain dead. Allow me to explain the video in basic terms. Azathoth
Who is umr at tawil I thought azathoth was num 2 in the mythos behind yog
@@SCARLET_DEMON-KING_OF_DARKNESS Umr-At-Tawil is Yog-Sothoth as an Archetype and is the strongest Archetype which are beings above azathoth.
I would honestly go as far and say that an aspect of Yog-Sothoth like Aforgomon is enough for Azzy imo. Idgas about explaining a 10,000 word book in a reply section made by a group of 5 authors unless someone tells me too.
I wanna know something that Aforgomom is the entity who is the embodiment of time itself. And time is part of space-time itself and we know that Azathoth is beyond that. So wouldn't that mean Aforgomom is part of space-time which Lovecraft and his friends treated as absolute, infinite, flowing, irreversible, relational and ontologically real. It is not just phenomenal appearance, but is woven into the fabric of being itself. Like space-time is literally constitutes a single, unitary ontological foundation which is an ultimate point that is the source and precondition for anything else to exist. And this unitary point is infinite, eternal, unlimited and absolute. It transcends all particular phenomena arising within it. As all concrete realities are sustained by and emanate from this fundamental space-time unity. Matter, energy, minds, etc. are contingent on this space-time ground. And Azathoth is beyond this.
Yoggy boy
Ok so I think he's right;
Azathoth does not dream up the entire reality thing, it is not even mentioned once in one of H.P Lovecraft's Novels in both Cthulhu Mythos and Weird Tales, it is only mentioned that when he wakes up he would destroy everything that has ever ceased to exist (Which is every universe in the Cthulhu Mythos/Yog-Sotheory) and the further gates and realms (Further Structures in the Cthulhu Mythos/Yog-Sotheory). Also, Yog-Sothoth is everything, the entire setting, the entire cosmology and character. H.P Lovecraft directly stated him to be omnipotent, and this is not taken lightly as in all the books that H.P Lovecraft wrote about Including the extended version and Weird Tales that only Yog-Sothoth is the only entity to be called omnipotent, it was never Azathoth or any of the Other Gods. Yog-Sothoth was also the true pure light, which is the weakness of the Other Gods, but he doesn't have to be their weakness even if he is not only them but also everything else.
Yog-Sothoth is omnipotent, and he's everything and the SUPREME ARCHETYPE, from The Ultimate Void to the Physical Realm. Azathoth will never stand a chance, even if he wakes up or not
peak video 🛌🛌
Yog sothot is the "monad"of lovecraft
Why this thing is a debate lmao
Even Yog-Sothoth's avatars is one shot Azathoth
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Bro can you update me on scp scaling? I took a break from debating and all things changed, pls update me abt it.
Well, in the chtuluh mythos books is stated many times that yog sothoth is stronger than azathoth, and the fact that azathoth dream reality is a cap because it is never mentioned in the book, azathoth is below the first gate and yog is above every gate, so, in conclusion, yog sothoth slams neg diff
Debunked i am that iam
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@@Mr-Rocket-1Pure Factual List.
Doesn't exist
Depends on the tiering system, but for example, in csap (imo One of the best or the best) Is like:
1-chtuluh mythos
2-umineko
3-dark tower
4-the elder scrolls
5-demombane
Maybe the list Is different, like:
1-chtuluh mythos
2-WoD
3-scp
4-sre
5-dark tower/twin peaks
@@GigaChad777-cy7og ?
Yog Sothoth
Azatoth😊
How far does this universe in Cthulhu mythos scale
Because i see people say azazoth is the centre of the universe but people scale hin to like boundless
Azathoth is Center of the Void and Void is Center of the entire Lovecraft Cosmology
@@F2PDude considering how big the cosmos in the mythos thats a big feat
@@Bloxfruitsistrashlmaocopethe guy is saying wrong information to you, Azathoth is more like the centre of all existence itself which is called as the Court of Azathoth but it's not even the peak of the original Lovecraft cosmology. As the Court of Azathoth would exist as an infinitesimal phase within the First Gate.
@@ziadhulhok i know azazoth isn’t the strongest thats yog
And yea azazoth is beyond the universal
What is hyper boundless
No it doesn't actually exist.
I guess something like a few layer's into boundless
It's just an Hyperbole.
Maybe infinite layers into Boundless or higher
It's maybe something that is quoted for characters that are very high above Mahlo cardinal which is the standard for boundless
Azathoth >>>> The Nameless Mist >>>> Yog Sohoth
Yog-Sothoth > Azathoth > The Nameless Mist
Womp Womp
Azathoth > Yog
No azathoth is yog sothoth father and he is above him and everything so you don’t know about his writing and his lore
@@laa4157 No? Are you still using Lovecraft letter which is absolutely not canon to Lovecraft lore.? Skill issue buddy because Yog sothoth has no parent or anything like that which was blatantly stated by Lovecraft in his novel and lore. Plus Azathoth is below the First Gate
@@ziadhulhokLovecraft’s letter was fake I lied
Azathoth > yog sothoth
The Court of Azathoth exists just as an infinitesimal phase within the First Gate.
@@ziadhulhok Where did you get such Cosmological idiocies to inferiorize all the Elder Gods and Azathoth just to emancipate Yog Sothoth?
@@efrainenderhell9927 Elder god? What? Elder gods don't exist in the original Cthulhu Mythos they come from extended mythos created by Derleth so they are not canon entities. Plus didn't you read "Through the Gates of the Silver Key" story or what? Anyway the physical world and Dreamlands gods are called infinitesimal phases within this small whole. So the First Gate sees them as vanishingly tiny aspects of reality. And by extension the Court of Azathoth would equally be viewed as one infinitesimal phase among countless others (because it's just another thing ad infinitum that constitutes the the first gate which is a 3d part of that small wholeness).
@@ziadhulhok Your statement is erroneous, the clause presented, even with the correct source, the External Gods (correcting the error in my comment) is what I wanted to say, however they are aspects that are infinitely True Archetypes, after the final mystery, They are the type of multifaceted existence, Fundamental ideas manifested and incomprehensible, something that could only be measured after the supreme gate, In the Final Void outside all creation, those who dwell in the First gate give the Elders, Ruled by Umr-At-Twal/Aka avatar of Yog Sothoth, Your lack of interpretation is difficult to Understand the Perspective of One Metaphysical/initial Facet that encompasses all reality, the Chaos that begins creation and regency and support of it through the consciousness of Order, two smaller Facets of a much greater idea, Doing such idiocy dear "Silver Key Gates Reader" You remove all the symbolism, importance and especially the main aspects of what Lovecraft built and others worked on, and that's why I hate the Chuthullu Myths fandom and others, I ask you to please stop talking shit!
@@efrainenderhell9927 Hitchen Razor and Ad Hominem now scram plus I do understand the metaphysical ideas of the Archetypes, Supreme Archetype and everything else. Philosophy, ontologic, metaphysics and theology is literally my best arguments. Now also, who the hell are the External God? Are you talking about the God of the man's? Dude, are they some kind of character which is created by Ashton Smith or Walter C. DeBill Jr.? Also supreme Gate? Do you mean the Ultimate Gate? Elders? You meant the ancient ones? Buddy you are talking about something which does make sense but at the same time, it feels like generational yapping