2023 Mahindra Scorpio-N Review: I DID NOT expect this... RIP Toyota Prado?
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- The Mahindra Scorpio-N is a Toyota LandCruiser Prado at a 50% discount…
This 6 seat Indian SUV provides proper off-road credentials, decent diesel performance, and a strangely luxurious interior to boot - but does that mean you should spend $45,000 on one? Lets talk about that in todays review!
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:23 Pricing
00:01:33 Safety Rant
00:02:27 Exterior Looks
00:04:40 Boot Space
00:05:29 Interior (Front seats)
00:08:17 Back Seats
00:09:07 Third Row
00:09:38 Driving Impressions
00:13:31 0-100km/h Launch
00:14:42 Final Thoughts... Should you buy?
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Read the full written review (with some extra insights!): www.carsauce.com
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In India , Mahindra has now issued the notice and called all the owners to bring their cars to nearest dealership and the apple carplay will be updated for free.
Wow… best thing ever
Its a kind of recall, like they recall your cars but you control if you want or no
*Apple CarPlay update has started on Mahindra Scorpio-N car in India, they are giving Apple CarPlay update for free when you take the car to the showroom.*
Nothing to boast about, this is software it should be free anyways ,
@@Pixy643He didn’t boasted anyways. He simply put the update out. Nothing to be fishy about!
Mahindra Scorpio N being named in the same sentence as Toyota Prado and Mitshubishi Pajero is an Achievement in Itself.Kudos Mahindra
We have arrived, comrade.
😂😂😂 comparing copy paste shit and tractor engine in it with originally researched and build cars.
@@myadavjijust say directly you are spreading hate
U laugh on your own comment dumbo 😂
Paid review hai chewtiye
@myadavji buddy, make it at that price in your country. Good luck with that. Appreciate that every country has it's pro's and con's. And just wait for few more years will see you again in 10 to 15 years in this same comment just to see if your opinion has changed or not.
For me, this rig is the clear standout in its segment. The value proposition, is outstanding. $45,000 vs AT LEAST $60-70k for an equivalent "premium" (sarcasm) option. The money you'd save is the equivalent of AT LEAST ten years of fuel. The Mahindra is the clear winner - lest you want to play "the Aussie" and hand over your hard earned to Japanese car company executives and shareholders.
@@shaun1900 in my view, the "safety equipment" you espouse are false positives - lane keep assist etc. I personally don't care for them, or feel they're necessary, or believe they increase safety. It'll depreciate faster than your king of mediocrity (wank) chariot (not looking at you, Toyota), but it's starting from a much lower cost base, so actual depreciation figures will likely be similar. If you don't have a dealer in your area, don't buy - sure. And the gremlins, they're not nearly deal breakers. Let's return to the value proposition - $45k vs AT LEAST $60k (more like $70k to $80k) for something in the same spec range. It's still a no brainer as far as I'm concerned.
@@shaun1900 great retort ... Good value does not equate to "cheap". Poor value does. I could make the argument that more expensive vehicles that don't deliver value are "cheap". Cheap simply means that something is of poor value. Toyota Hilux, 300 series etc are "cheap". A vehicle which is half or a third of the price, which does the same thing .... that's a premium vehicle.
Here in India it's the premium suv
@@shaun1900bro did Mahindra did something bad to you. You are spamming in everyone's comment.
@@harshvardhansinha right
Good news is that Apple Carplay has now been given in the Scorpio-N too with the latest software update. But so far it only runs in Indian Scorpios. I'm pretty sure though the ones sold in Australlia will get it too very very soon. So that patch is fixed at least. For active safety features though, yeah, that can be expected in the next facelift model probably. Mahindra do keep their word
What about wireless carplay
Not true. I had Apple car play in South Africa BEFORE India and yes it has wireless and wired CarPlay.
@@jeromeza689 great, enjoy then
@@jeromeza689bro it will be different in every market 💀💀
For the price its pretty bloody good. Though it misses out on some things it's still a good buy . It's going to suit a lot of people pretty well. Tough , reliable, decent quality , and a good warranty are enough to recommend it
@@shaun1900 mahindra are certainly a lot better than the Chinese offerings on the market. We see more of those back at dealers requiring warranty work than we see any mahindra.
reliable?
@@swagatpatra2139 there have been very few if any complaints of vehicle failures or issues in Australia. The amount of vehicles going back to dealers for warranty work is minimal to virtually non existent. There's very little data on recalls in Australia. All brands here must provide necessary information to relevant regulators on recalls, major vehicle safety or compliance issues etc ,and so far Mahindra has virtually little if anything available that suggests unreliability
@@swagatpatra2139Indian cars are always reliable.....
My father's Scorpio car in india has already done 3 lakh kama in just 5 years .... but there is no major expense😊
Scammer spotted. Who paid you man for the negative comments you are posting under every comment?
A very good and as an owner a correct review. Autobstart a poor future. The sound quality of the sound system better than Prado. The safety features is not serious to me, it has airbags, abs and traction control who works very well. I have taken out the rear seats and then the boot is better than a Prado and it has a 12 v socket, the Prado none. Its a 5 minute job to take out the 3rd row seats. And fuel economy is amazing,for sure better than my Prado.
What about power and driving dynamics?
@@abhinashkumar3161 Dude it's got 173 BHP and 370Nm in 40000 dollar car segment
@@abhinashkumar3161dynamcs is equivalent to any german car.
In India the waiting period of this Scorpio N & XUV 700 is insane. This has a insane amount of bookings all over the country. And the prize is very competetive.
That's because the market is protected from imported cars.
@@kevinroark5815
It may be protected from imported cars. But I think you need to know that most of the major brands like Toyota, Ford, Hyundai, mercedes, bmw, Suzuki, Renault, Nissan etc. All have a manufacturing footfall in india. So they can compete with the local brands at par if they can. India is the 3rd largest automobile manufacturer recently beating japan & now stands only behind china & USA.
But in India no car manufacturer can beat Maruti Suzuki in term of selling .
@@kevinroark5815 yaa, that's true 😅
@@abnaga1270Indians don't make cheap and unsafe cars bro😂
Mahindra has a reputation for reliable agricultural machinery, and I’m sure the dependability will be carried forward in their cars too. Really liked your comprehensive review, and looking forward to the off-road one. Cheers!
Actually it is best selling suv in india
Also comes with ncap 4 star safety rating
@@lxx2100its 5 star...
Not only agricultural,,,, The Scorpio, bolero, Thar, xuv300, are legendary products, and from decades bolero and scorpio are the highest selling SUV in India..
It's not a bug since you disabled auto start/stop now, you gotta start the vehicle using the ignition switch while depressing the brake pedal. It is actually opposite as most manufacturers by default makes the start stop inactive then you gotta press the button if you want to activate it in older times. Nowadays it is a regulatory requirement in most countries to make it default on always.
Most cars will restart the engine when you disable start stop. The way Mahindra has set this up is stupid
@@YZJBwho would keeping pressing it off?
Is it even practical?.
@@er.m.s8930 I would say most people disable start stop on every drive. It is an annoying feature
@@YZJBIts not stupid, its a safety standard
@@YZJB here iny country every company including Toyota Ford mistibushi etc work like Mahindra
It's a new must protocol by government
"I did not expect to be this impressed, from the brand rhat makes rhe PikUp". Cant make sense of this comment. The PikUp is a legitimately great ute. No, its not a city softroader like almost every other ute on the Australian market. Its a proper workhorse ute. And again, a MUCH better value proposition than its competition.
It’s a very reliable car my family had 3 of these since I was a child I trust the brand and would be very happy to buy it here is Aus. It is like a Land Cruiser popular in India.
How old r u? U had 3 Scorpio n that's good
@@ImYourDeathhe is talking about Scorpio classic😂
These are 5star rated in global NCAP !! For those looking for safety the build quality is great and you know they trust their car when the company offers you 7years of warranty!! In India the waiting on this car is almost an year .. imagine that !!
It just scored 0 stars in ANCAP
@@amogus9440 y⁉️
That's not a bug, basically when your car auto stop's and then u pull off the auto start button then it means u r turning of the feature, it's like a manual intervention so u didn't let the process to complete then u need to again start the vehicle manually...hope this clears your doubt😀
Car Sauce is the best car review channel on CZcams. Love how you guys deliver the facts but have some fun along the way. Definitely prefer the Matt / Jacob reviews with all the banter, keep these going as this is what makes you guys the best and so entertaining.
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Great to see the scorpio n creating a fantastic image as a SUV in foreign countries
The problem here is Automatic which is tuned to comfort! The manual sold in India realises true power of that 400nm torque. The wheels just keep spinning even in 2nd gear. I drove it and loved it. Unfortunately, Australia doesn’t have a manual yet.
they wont even know how to shift.
@@Adup5724really!!!??
@@Adup5724looks like u only know it ..maybe mk a video
Usage of manual in india is dominant whereas in western countries they mostly use AT. im not sure but probably more than 90% cars are with automatic transmissions.
@@Adup5724 Right! Therefore, a better transmission would help! But again it’s difficult to price it aggressively if Mahindra were to improve the transmission.
Nice review, would really appreciate a comprehensive off-road test. Lets see how it fares.
Aussies are surely missing the Manual variant which is torquey and revvs very well. A pleasure to drive. M&M has come a long way from being a tractor manufacturer and climbed up the value chain with quality products. The Ssangyong acquisition was a game changer coupled with the Pininfarina buy, massively catapulted its design capabilities capabilities.
Dude you are getting almost everything half of the price of Prado. This SUV is a beast.
The Scorpio N is more like an off-roading vehicle rather than a family car, that's why it got that ruggedness. The XUV 700 is a better choice for a family car/city driving Crossover/SUV, u might wanna consider Scorpio N if u wanna off-road most of the time.
Now for the boot space, not worst in the class very functional, last seating row is removable, it simply sits on a couple of latches. Gives you a pretty huge boot after getting rid of the 3rd row
Ever since Ive seen the back of this Scorpio-N the lights remind me of the Volvo XC90.
It's a very good base for an SUV. Mahindra just have to package it better.
Some safety features, add a bit of length (100-150 cms) , a better last row seat, more cup holders and that stop start definitely needs to go.
Then this will be a really good option. 😊
due to indian tax laws if the car is greater than 4 meters in length it will have to pay 30% more tax. until or unless the law is changed chances of increasing length is quite slim.
@@sourishsenapati958bro its more than 4.6 metres in india ☠️
@@chocolatecake6964bro got his brain cells from section 15(1) from Indian Constitution 💀
@@yashrajsrgm ummm what? what do you mean am i wrong?
@@chocolatecake6964 no! I was replying to you but i was joking for the first guy. Like really his stupidity made me reply so ig you must have understood.
Tata and Mahindra make very solid cars and really last long. And they are the king of off-road in all terrains.
This car has a waiting period of 18-24 months in India . Insane demand in India for sure
Mahindra engineering is outstanding...
I am dame sure that your kids will also ride the same vehicle once purchased....
Mahindra products are very durable reliable and cost effective...
The issue with stop after u switch off auto start stop once you stop is that you have to put it in nutral or P to start the vehicle again. According to me I might be a big but I feel Mahindra engineers have put it there mostly to safe guard the gearbox i guess
I liked your explanation of most of the bits. You are entertaining as well.
Good setup.
Cheers for the review.
Wanderer is an SUV specific tyre from Indian tyre manufacturer MRF, which is one of the world’s top 15 tyre companies. MRF started producing tyres since 1960s.
indias top 15 tire doesn’t even compete with world class pirelli or michelins
The road presence of Mahindra and Tatas cars is just amazing!
Both Scorpio amd XUV looks pretty ugly to me.
@@zacthegamer6145yeah the scorpio is pretty average looking but I like the XUV 700.
For me, Mahindra has done such a good job with new models - apart from Safty and last raw seats (Come on make the seats fold nicely) We were waiting for this now we are looking at other platforms sadly...
14k views in a day... Pretty awesome dude!
What a fantastic review, love from India ✨
I have a Scorpio N and love it
Then again I don't drive around scratching my little claws on the dash all the time so perhaps I'm not getting the full experience
Love the comment, not sure you'll be lacking any experience just because you don't fondal the harsh dash (it's not all about the touch) it'll give you some marvellous life experiences though if you explore with it as intended.
Thanks for the chuckle, loved it
Luckily in Australia, it's yet to leave a mark on the market! In India the waiting period on these things are a deal breaker!
what is the waiting period for top model scorpio n and xuv 700?
@@pragmaticparabellum3042a year approximately
@@pragmaticparabellum3042consider lucky if you get it in the same year
@@pragmaticparabellum3042 6 months to 12 months
Scorpio N stands for Scorpio New (I think), cuz it's not some gimmicky face lift or some cosmetically beautified version of the previously outgoing model, it's in fact a massive full fledged upgrade and a brand new SUV compared to what was being offered in it's previous generation. The older one is now sold under the brand Scorpio Classic (cuz it's still the top selling SUV and probably one of the top 10 cars sold in the rural parts across India). I have like 8 different Scorpio Ns within my circle of friends and they are all young buyers (under 35). Btw thanx a ton for such a great review. Car reviewers are like crime reporting journalists; the more knowledgeable, neutral and unbiased they are, the more authentic and usable information they can provide the end users with.
@@helpinghand7073 That's Bolero Neo and not Scorpio N. U are just confusing yrself with different car names or maybe there's in fact a Scorpio Neo being sold in your country, which I'm unaware of.
scropio "Next" gen to distinguish from classic Scorpio that they are still selling i believe.
Had this on a shortlist for value for money off road capability suv for my daughter to do outback trips and tow a small caravan. Went to the dealership Monday and they advised me that a tow bar can’t be fitted because of the position of the spare wheel
The moment he said ....it's cheaper.....for people living in India ...it's kind of a luxury
India me b ssti hi h ye price or iske specs k according. 20 lakh me big daddy suv.
Yes to Offroad review, I would take out the rear seats on a trip, 2 captain chairs in the second row would be great. Needs AEB and Rear Cross Traffic alert, Digital radio as well. Let me know if it is better off road than my MY21 Subaru Forester and I might buy it.
It’s value for money for families on a budget.
Good warranty like all Chinese manufacturers.
Certainly no Toyota but they’re not asking Toyota money neither !!
Exactly!
It's Indian not Chinese..
@@SuperLaziboihe said like Chinese
How is it "no Toyota"? Have you driven a Toyota lately? They're nothing to write home about. Very average features and interior. Overhyped reliability. I mean, I'm fairly confident when I say the Scorpio-N drives better than a Fortuner (a pig on-road, imo). Golly gosh.
@@SuperLaziboi who said it was Chinese ?
I said like all Chinese manufacturers this Indian owned TATA has the same warranty
Auto stop system is for fuel cut off and fuel save during idle mode. You may still check that and it doesn't sound to be a bug.
That start and stop function is for Indian traffic jams to save fule and that car don't have any bug with that start stop function while the car is turned off by the start and stop function and then if you turned that button off then if press the clutch pedal it won't start because that clutch pedal turn on feature is a part of start and stop function 😊
No biggy, but in Australia isn't it "Scorpio" and in India it's "Scorpio-N"? I know the badge on the back of this one says "Scorpio-N", but I think the first examples into Australia had the incorrect badges on the vehicles from the factory.
Anyhoo, this is a pretty decent effort here from Mahindra, just as the XUV700 is too, so I hope more people get to experience the brand. They deserve to sell in good numbers here.
Scorpio and Scorpio-N are both different
Scorpio is old gen but still practical without much of new gen tech and very affordable in India whereas Scorpio -N is more packaged as VFM product
The Mahindra Scorpio-N should sell well in Australia based on the price alone. Not sure about Service dealer Network. When other models and better tech arrive, you'll have a best selling brand. There's also a big Indian diaspora in Australia. They'll also be a factor. I realise that Mahindra is one of the best selling vehicle in this segment in India, a nation roughly 48 times the population of Australia, albeit not a first world country. All cars no matter the make, have had to gain acceptance in Australia. Thanks Matt and jacob. Keep them coming.
Lol! Come out of the white supremacy. What does really first world country means?? World without India is nothing read the history! And what we could do, u will see it only in 10 years! I wish u ppl can make one car by urself 😂
India Mahindra should learn from Korea Hyundai and Kia. They should use Japan engine at the initial stage and as they progress in engine development only then the right to install their own engine. Mahindra 4x4 SUV and pick up truck enter our country for the 1st time and that will was the last it enter our market. Why? it was the worst Brand of vehicle with the worst engine we ever experience in our life. It sold well in India because that is the most they could afford there and they get use to Mahindra problematic.
@@Ukit50 but Mahindra engine more realible than hundai in my experience 😌😊❤❤
@@Ukit50 SORRY, YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG IN THIS. PLS DONT TRY TO SPREAD FAKE NEWS. MAHINDRA IS KNOWN FOR ITS OFF ROAD CAPABILITY DURABILITY AND ENGINE RELIABILITY. IT MAKES HARDY TOUGH SUVS. MAHINDRA ENGINES EASILY RUNS STRONG FOR OVER 500,000 KMS. INDIA IS A VERY DIFFICULT MARKET WHERE RELIABILITY AND DURABILITY MATTERS THE MOST. CHEVROLET, FORD, OPEL, DAEWOO, MITSUBISHI FAILED IN INDIA AND HAD TO QUIT. BRANDS LIKE TOYOTA, MAHINDRA, HYUNDAI, SUZUKI HAS SEEN A GREAT SUCCESS HERE BECAUSE OF THEIR RELIABILITY.
@@ruffian9708
Sorry to disappoint you. This is a garbage Mahindra no more on sale in our and neighbouring country. It’s a junk. To play safe we just stick to TOYOTA
Prado costs $430k in India while this costs $30-50k 😂
I think you misunderstood Land Cruiser 300 for LC prado. LC Prado is aprx 125KUS$ on road in India and not 430K$.
Lol
All the crazy costing is due to taxes. Your money isn't going towards buying a better car actually.
@@jec_ecart this argument is partially true (true for CBD and CKD units) but for locally manufactured cars it isn't true, like fortuner costs $60k where's ScorpioN costs $40k both cars are locally manufactured under same tax regime and are similar cars then why there's a $20k difference? Toyota's Greed?
13:20 "The brand that makes pickup" is also the owner of the company "Pininfarina" which by the way was used to design cars for Ferrari.. and yes Mahindra also used to own "Ssang Young", which was later sold to Edison Motors...
Mahendra...Best built quality... India's most reliable company...❤❤❤
It's not a bug, you are not supposed to change the auto start stop feature after started driving. Just make your decision to keep it on or off before you put it in drive mode.
Great review!
Love from India 🇮🇳❤
When you Are reviewing it, Indian Backpacker already Reached Belgium from Delhi, and about to hit London soon with this vehicle
I was confused between Tata Harrier, KIA Seltos, Maruti Jimny and Scorpio-N. Then my father decided it for me. Scorpio N. As it was 4x4 and Jimny looked odd in our neighborhood.
We love Mahindra scorpio classic. .. 5 gear box one s10 and below.. Pure modern muscle. And yes we remove 2 seat in trunk. For more space
They have a new pickup in development, looks chunky and cool. I've seen a concept and is a handsome beast.
hello sir really liked your video , if auto start mode is on it means when we staop the car it turns off engine and then we turn off auto start it will not start it self on acceleration its techanically doing what we told it to so i think its not a bug
I'm lookkng at the landscape 😮😮😮😱😱😍😍
love the look of the car - pity it doesnt have an option of a petrol engine
It have in India. A 200 hp, 380 Nm 2 litre engine.
Need a video extreme off road on Scorpio
Greetings from India. Those tyres are made by the Indian company Madras Rubber Factory, popularly known as MRF. Glad to know you mates liked our vehicles and tyres too.
In India few cases are highlighted, ones sunroof failed, others 4x4 lever keeps failing repeatedly
ihave the same model and same colour in India. this is a beast . and road presence is amazing.
DEsign and look is impeccable👌
Can you please do a proper off road review as well.
I like this car..man..its one of best cars for hily terrain..
Just a few bugs and things to address just like the XU700, but I think if they address those they will sell a lot of cars here.
Yeah - offroad test too please...
Autonomous start stop is not a bug it's a feature to save fuel and to add mileage! It kills engine while on stoping to save fuel and starts right up when you put foot on gas and turning off Autonomous start and stop after stopping then you have to start the engine again as it shows that you have turned the autonomous start and stop off
Acha hua tuney bata diya warna yeh itney car review kartey hai inko pata nahi hota
@@sagagarwal😂😂😂
and that particular "feature" is an engine killer , most wear and tear happens when the engine is thermally cycled and during the first few seconds of starting. it is same as turning your florescent light on and off too often. if you do not let it warm up it will fail sooner. if the stop is for less than 2 3 mins there is no reason to turn the engine off. yes it will save fuel but that savings is always lesser than the price of new engine.
@@sagagarwal tare jeso ke liye bhi toh informative hai na!
I guess it's a great move by Indian brand car. I really liked the car tbh.
Forest colour looks good on it
Not just a family car .... But it works as a mafia car in India 😅
We need more Indian cars reviews🙌🏻
Actually we get this car In India where it's
BASE trim cost 23.2k AU$ whereas
TOP. trim cost 43.0k AU$
so accordingly this type of huge car with having some off-road capability it's value for money 🤑🤑 deal ❣️
Wish we could have these in US.
Proud to be indian brand ❤
Man's views are increasing day after day. I reckon they will reach 2 million within 6 months.
Stops start system also has a big issue if you are on a hike the cars stops engine between the process the cars goes backward until it atarts and in traffic situations it might hit the rear car ,mahindra says can't fix this as its the ecu
In this price comparison to prado you get alot of features..good job Mahindra
To the point features, style,Brad value and performance. Balanced review. Mahindra❤
Off road review will be interesting
Wireless Apple CarPlay is now available. Just need a little software update and you are good to go.
The tires company name is MRF that you are seeing in the video and Wanderer is the product name of MRF TIRES
Have Scorpio for last 13 year
Never had any Problems so Far..
Great SUV mahindra ever built
"Heeyy Jacob."
"Hey Mat."
I miss that.
It’s back!
I agree with your many points. Specially has to look upon safety part (Automation).
7:40 It's maybe cheap for many countries but saying cheap car totally reflects your CHEAPNESS.
This is less price compare to the same segments car just to make it affordable for Indians. Mahindra can put everything you said that was missed but somehow its unnecessary features increase the price of this CAR.
6:06 And for your kind information, APPLE CAR PLAY just came with an UPDATE is needed. Mahindra is mark their words.
On the last row if you lift the headrest higher, it can be flat maybe?
Mahindra is not a just a company it's a pride of india 🔥❣️
An Indian youtuber Indian backpackers is planning to embark journey to Australia by road on Mahindra Scorpio N. Journey starts next week. So you can see how reliable this suv is. And this youtuber has recently been travelled to London by road on this SUV.
Anyone who does not rip you off these days is a good business man, Good job Mahindra with a good enough product at good price
This scorpio N has captain seats in 2nd row!😀 but in india i think it has bench seats?🤔
I just keep 20 sec fast forwarding this vid and everytime it lands on you saying 'this thing'!!😂😂😂
Hey at least mention that it's the first (and only?) ladder frame to score a 5 star crash protection rating
I didn't get that auto start-stop bug. You have come to a halt and the car turned off. Then you switched off the auto start-stop system. Then pressing the accelerator how it will start again? you have to press the start button to switch on the car again. The tyre brand is MRF. It's a renowned brand. Google it.
If the car is waiting at intersection and the auto start system turns off the engine, when pressing the AutoStart/ Accelerator, it should restart the engine like most other vehicles. having to press the start button every time will be inconvenient.
Isne jaroor delhi to london trip dekhi hogi anmol bhai ki
Tyres are also by an Indian company called MRF. Wanderer is their brand of SUV tyres.
Can you see the sky through the roof mounted Sony speakers? 😮😮😮
I say give removable third row seats ( or offer a 5 seater variant )as standard and then it will be much better as afive seater suv with decent boot space that too flat, i don't know they had removable ( more like side facing foldable but thast was better in terms of practicality )third row seats before but that does not seems to be the case now
It also have 5 seater variant in base models which costs USD20-22k in India
Agree
U can update to car play now at Mahindra authorised service centre said firmware update is available now
I have booked one in Australia...it will be having apple car play software update. Safety features doesnt matter to me; as in my current car, i dont use them. I rely upon my senses. Its sound system is awesome, nothing to complaint about it. Auto start on-off; is an issue; will see if I can turn it off in software. Its driving experience is very good. Noise in drivers cabin is mimimum.
Off-road review would be great.
Bro you gotta check the non "N" version. It's called the Scorpio Classic.
Not sold in the oz
Full Offroad review please