An Italian Own Goal - The Maserati Spyder Cambiocorse
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- čas přidán 22. 10. 2022
- In today's video, I drive the oft forgotten Maserati Spyder. The precursor to the GranSpyder, this is a dedicated two seater sports car, with gorgeous looks and a stunning engine - but one big problem.
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It's a shame they got rid of the boomerang rear lights .
I believe it was due to US regulations that caused the design to change on the updated model.
The boomerang made it look exotic
@@winstonmace4865 I believe Frank Stephenson forced the designers to change the tail lights because he couldn't argue with Ferrari boss that hated them and wanted them gone
@@HipsterNgariman That's interesting. Will ask him about it.
@@winstonmace4865 I think he mentioned that story in his reaction video to MaseratiMC20 design
Maserati 4200 is a great car.
I have had several.:)
I have the 4200 Coupe 2003, had it for 3 years now and no major issues. On 58000 miles now and it's a fantastic car to drive. The cambiocorsa gearbox is easy to use and shifts perfectly and quickly (not sure if it's has a software upgrade). I have sports exhausts which sound fantastic and sprints the car to 60 faster than my 911 3.4l . Not as engaging or rewarding as the 911, but certainly special and more exotic, and it's Italian.
Feels like a true Italian car in every way. Cars are so homogenized now that it's difficult to stand out, and you definitely will in one of these.
This video made me buy an 05 Spyder CC, happens to be the exact same colors as this one. It's a blast to drive, doesn't have the described shakes, and fills in my M-hole perfectly. Thanks for these entertaining and informative videos Jay.
I like your new appreciation of ‘interesting’ it should bring a whole new dimension to the channel and hopefully an understanding of those who keep them on the road.
3 litre Z4 , underated , at the bottom of it's depreciation curve . Does not over power a public road. Goes. Stops . Handles. Cheap to maintain. Fun.
I have a lot of time for the Z4
I love this era of Maserati unlike many others
Lovely looking car, but I agree the Gransport is the one to go for.
I was going to ask about the scuttle shake... (Just got to the point where you mention it) My dad had one, and we were never sure whether the front wanted to stay attached to the back... Lovely engine note though! (I remember someone saying the later models were stiffer, but never experienced that first-hand)
Thanks J, despite it's flaws, a Maserati will always appeal! 🙏🙏
Awesome car. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
Well placed with the intro, I think Maserati sits exactly as you say, not as crazy as a TVR but more exciting then a Jag etc
Lovely looking car, sounds great. Perfect to waft about it on a summers day.
Enjoying the content on your channel keep up the good work 🎥👍👍
I recently saw one, which could have been this car’s twin in a detailing shop. I totally fell in love with it. In this colour it’s 💙
That Sound !
What a beauty !
if someone lets me decide whether i want to drive a ferrari or lamborgini for the rest of my life,
i would choose maserati 100%
This was a great intro speech!
Can't see much as recovering from eye surgery. But Great sound from Maserati and Great commentary is more than enough. Thanks.
My mate had this car back in the day. Spent half its life in the workshop something kept breaking every time and even when it worked wasnt the best drive. The engine was the only marvel in this.
When it comes to scuttle shake on larger convertibles...... I'd love to see you driving an original Volvo C70 convertible to see what you made of it. Car I've always been curious about....
Great channe! James, I enjoy watching you more than Clarkson back in the day
I owned one of these for 2 years and covered 12,000 miles in it. Black convertible with cream leather. I can honestly say that looking back it is my favourite car that I've ever owned. Absolutely loved it. Flawed, yes, but in terms of being interesting, rare, beautiful and fast it ticked all of those boxes in a way few other cars could. I replaced it with a 996 C4S convertible, which was probably slightly more dynamic but I don't look back on it anywhere near as fondly.
I’ve had a 2002 CC Spyder for about 7 years. I think the review is pretty accurate. Like someone else said, after a few weeks the scuttle shake faded for me. Driving in Sport makes it worse as it firms the dampers. Handling etc. is enjoyable. It’s not a sports car, it weighs 1700kg, but it has character and beauty which is what I wanted.
Also, it’s not a chopped down 4200 Coupe. The Spyder was launched first and was a completely different car from the 3200.
Lol - that intro was written exactly for me! Had a boxster, getting a i20N for the school run, keeping the X5.... but there's a moderately priced hole in my garage...
Nice quote from "life's been good"
A great looking car though despite its scuttle shake .
Never seen one on the road, but like the coupe versions, and they sound great.
The scuttle shake reminds me of an XR3i cabriolet I once drove.
The only Maserati's we see here in the US are the Quatroporte, or the Grand Tourismo. This is simply beautiful. I hope to be able to at least see one in person some day. Great content. Thank you.
I have always liked the Maserati "look."
I know it’s a while away but can’t wait for your LFR review
This is a man who moved into gold, as everyone moved out. This is a man who drives a Maserati. To quote Mr. Clarkson here
Quite liked the look of these when they came out.
That gear lever is hilarious
That IS… a V8 🥳 cross plane every time…….. even with a power advantage, flat planes sound like blancmange…….. mellifluous-ness 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
How about straight pipes, a tune, seats, suspension and a proper fixed cage……. WooooooHooooooo!!
I’m feeling it……… ❤
As the owner of a '69 Alfa:
Maseratis are even more desirable, and even more trouble.
Nice review.....pity affected by the horrible scuttle shake
I’d heard horror stories too about the shake but took the plunge anyway on a great deal “just for the engine”. Zero shake. None. Wonder if there’s an aftermarket fix that’s been applied by a previous owner.
The clutch is an acquired taste but I got an aftermarket computer that patches into the ECM. Amazing impact.
I would be very curious to know if there had been an aftermarket modification. Have you found anything new in the last few months? Supposedly, the '04+ models were stiffened... but, from what I've heard from others, even the GranSport Spyder had more scuttle shake than what was considered acceptable in a modern convertible.
Man those door mirrors looks very much like those on my 05 166. It would make sense. That's another thing I like about my 166, the mirrors. You jump and the way they kick up is very reminiscent of an Italian sports car.
You're right they are the elec folding mirrors of a 166, even the internal switch panel for them is the same. Unfortunately the 4200's also share the heater matrix of a 166 which as you may know has developed a great tendency to leak! It's a complete dash out job to change, which I need to do this winter.
@@G928... Dash out on 4200? I know on the 166 you can access it from engine bay.
@@AdamAus85 Yeah unfortunately the dash has to come out. Quite a few club members have done it and documented, so hopefully not too difficult, just time consuming.
Beautiful car, I still have a nice model of the spyder in that coupe's deep blue
Even with stiff rate coilovers, my 986 doesn't have noticeable scuttleshake. Get the Maserati coupe, or maybe the subsequent gen Spyder. I suppose you could have some chassis bracing fabricated from a racing shop, which would also solve it
Sounds like its gonna shake itself to pieces !
I was lusting for the grand sport but that shaking is shaking me off the idea thanking you with much respect
Allegedly they're better but without trying one I couldn't say by how much
Fuck yes! Outrunning the rain sounds phenomenal! 😮
Who needs a roof when you have that sound. Maserati definitely has the best soundtrack.
Bloody hell Jay! Fancy a young fella like you Knowing about Joe Walsh and his Mazzo doin 185! Good on you! (Sure it wasn't kph!? being in the 70s! 😆😆😆) Great vid BTW! From one of those old man Jag owners(no pipe no slippers!)I was dragged up in the 70s! In those days an E type definitely a young man's car! An XJ a crooks car!😆 You'd have been a big hit back then mate! we have an XKR owner, a Spanish bloke our club who never! Puts the top up, he just outruns the rain! 😆 Cheers mate! You have a big following here in Oz! 👍
Thanks, one day I shall visit down under I think! Lots of lovely people there commenting on my videos
They solved the shuttle shake with the 2005 model with a substantial steel brace under the chassis - the same upgrades they incorporated into the Gransport models.
Around my suburb in Melbourne Australia, we have quite a few Maserati Giblie's and perhaps two Ferraris of mixed pedigree, they are all driven by Italians who happen to be real estate agents. Which explains it all, given the astronomical prices of these cars here. So apparently an Italian heritage and the access to vast amounts of money will inevitably result in sports cars from Italy, this also applies to motorcycles, though perhaps less so, as they are cheaper relatively. Most young Italians will be riding an MV Augusta triple cylinder, and they certainly look the business.
Never had that problem with ours. Sure, it's not as sturdy as the 360 Spider we also have, but it's a proper curve eater. Ours is slightly lowered and was delivered without the Skyhook suspension, so that might play a role. But I don't at all agree that this car suffers from scattle shake, at least not ours. I would guess "Rory" has some issues, not the CC Spyder in general.
I’ve driven 8 of them and I can absolutely verify they’re the very epitome of scuttle shake.
@@richardgrace3482 ok, then ours is unique, as it just doesn't.
If yours is >04MY they’re greatly improved, and Gransport Spyders are better again.
Such a beautiful car! timeless, classic and so special. I know - I had one. by the way, you
can't drive the car in sport mode, it's too hard. The car does not shake at all in normal mode.
Interesting observation: I've never ever heard a financially well off person complaining about a car's reliability. The type of people who do do that are invariably always working in a job paying minimum wage, and therefore can just about afford an older prestige car, but not the maintenance of said vehicle. And to cover up their ineptitude, blame the car for being unreliable. Moral of the story: Buy a well and properly maintained example of your preferred car, keep up the maintenance, and it will be pretty much fine.
Accurate review as always James. The early Spyders are scuttletastic, 04MY onwards significantly better, but just buy a Gransport coupe.
Gotta be a spyder - roof always down unless it's raining
The rule of roofs having to be down should extend to the windows too. Seeing people driving around with roof down windows up looks so stupid. (I know James has them you for sound quality)
Nice SILVER wheels James.
Giddy up Batman.😁
James one thing it has over yours is it’s dry sump and more of a real race engine…. It’s a great car
Good looks, great engine, posh interior. 1.7 tons though...
This must be a really early car. The later ones reduced the chassis flexing significantly.
You should have mentioned that the 4.2 liter engine is the same mounted in the 360 Ferrari Modena.. this is interesting also price wise..you mentioned that spyder is 22 cm shorter then the coupe so go the better handling (implicit)... for F1 fan guys.. this very same type of car was driven by Shumi in Fiorano (a must watch video test drive) .. apart from this.. overall it's a practical and very fair car review! TVR vs Maserati not sure.. which TVR type?
Are the owners slightly miffed when you do a negative review like this ?
I always wonder what you say to them when you take the car back 😀
I think they know James is going to do a warts and all review, he has a reputation for telling the truth, in s good way👍
Oddly enough a good friend had one of these and then a TVR….talk about glutton for punishment!
The Maser was great and he enjoyed it a lot. But there was a nagging doubt from the dealer over the engine that persuaded him to get it replaced under warranty (Thankfully he had one!). But that just set in place a real doubt over the car and he just didn’t trust it after that.
Weird how it has appreciated in that 10 years since.
I’ve only seen Jay not like a car, twice. Although I’m probably not right on my count. This car and the giant turbo retro-fit Skyline.
Also Abarth 595, modified Civic FK2, and I am sure others
Yeah I knew you'd pan it for the scuttle shake, I've got an 02 plate as well. TBH for the first few weeks it really annoyed me, (mind the windows don't rattle on mine) but now I guess my brain has been programmed to cancel that out, like white noise. Instead it is now just another of the inputs from the car. Does seem like the problem was reduced in the later 03 or 04 on cars, but I'm sure they're still not great.
As you say the highlight is the engine, but I really don't find the handling bad, but yeah easy to provoke oversteer even with the stability on. Having had a Boxster S and Griff 500 in the past I'd still take the Spider for it's sense of occasion and the Maser engine is a lot, lot nicer than the pushrod Rover.
Yes I've pretty much got used to the scuttle shake - negligable largely on European roads!! And the rattling window has been sorted.
@@api849 Well to be fair, we do live in the south of France 🙂 Nice colour scheme on yours, I wouldn't have said it's that common on Spiders? Mine is black metallic with grey and black interior.
👏👏👏👏👏
The scuddle is the lockup torque converter is out of balance or drive shaft?
This review almost ended at sunset. If you manage to film a late 90s Trans-Am, be it at sunset with a funky shirt of yours and sunglasses on all the time
I've watched so many of your videos now, James, that it feels you're becoming part of the family. Nice job once again!
sounds like its needs some aftermarket bracing.
I know its a safe shout but have you tried the SL from that era? I have a 350 that while isn't the most powerful thing it's definitely no SLK
4200 Spyder with manual gearbox is definitely my choice.
My father in law purchased one in very good condition . Sold it after two summers . Maintenance nightmare .
Do the aftermarket do a cross brace for the chassis?
We had a saab convertible and when I had the aftermarket spider frame added to the chassis it reduced scuttle shake dramatically
I was wondering if that was something you could get, I know also on the MX5 you could get some inserts that go into the door latches that also reduces the scuttle shake.
Ive got a 2002 Silver Spyder and really don't notice the scuttle shudder, definitely not they way your test model does, perhaps it has run flats? I get way more in my S2000, also agree the gearbox isnt that bad, its not smooth but it is a sequential manual designed with the help of Shumaker - not supposed to be smooth its also in the Enzo and no one complains abouit that .- the worst thing about the car is the SatNav/Radio in my opinion
I'm looking to swap my 1972 TR6 for a 2003 6 speed manual. I figure scuttle shake will be about the same, but would rather have the Maserati sitting in the garage late at night and on a Sunday drive in the California sunshine. Thoughts?
Does anyone know the year (or vin) they added in more bracing and the shake problem was reduced?
How about a Abarth 124 Spider?
The underbody cross braces must be loose. Also a strut brace.
I have a roadster (another brand)
It's a well known issue with them
James, you could do a thoroughly entertaining video using facial expressions only👍💙
I think a few people might prefer that!
There’s so many reasons to buy one but just one not to - Maintenance Costs ! I came very close recently and woke up before i embarked on getting my bum slapped !
Buy a good late one you’ll be fine. Or buy a late coupe or Gransport as it’s 10x better.
Bet it’s stiffer with the roof up, I speak with experience with a old c70
I had. 5 years. CambioC Spyder. Enjoyed the car. Not enjoyed the car. The brand drips in history but recent cars are too FCA Fiat trim woes. They no longer wow. I didn’t find rust problems. Roof clip broke. Clutch’s wear on light use 20,00030,000 miles. Skuttle shake correct. It was very skittish drive. Looks. Engine note and engine bay visual is why you buy the 4200 series. Not the drive.
Just bought a2002 with 21k original miles
Wondering about the noise I hear in rear from shifting.. Is that normal?
I had no idea the spyder was shorter.
As an owner of a 2003 Spyder with the manual 6 speed with glass rear window scuttle shake is non-issue. The bald lad Chris Harris mentioned the scuttle shake and it seems every car journo feels obliged to overdo since.
I never watched Harris' piece, or any others - I make my own judgements and the scuttle shake is horrendous. I am amazed anyone would put up with it.
I drove a TVR Chimaera the week after this and it was rock solid by comparison
The dashboard on this is beautiful
Love Joe Welsh for telling us what to expect 😅
Might be good with a rollcage 😂
One of the only decent modern Maseratis made. I'm generaly not a Maserati fan at all, but this gets a thumbs up from me.👍
One of the ‘only’ 🤔. Facelift 4200’s & Gransports are exceptional, as is a QPV GTS, Granturismo S MC Shift, GT Sport, Stradale, QPVI GTS and a 3200 AC. So this is one of the ‘only’ ones that aren’t any good.
@@richardgrace3482 This was only coming from a non-Maserati Fan.Of course, you'd like many Maseratis because you're a fan of it.
What about a full rebushing ?
Would that help ?
It's just very hard to imagine the Italians turning out a less than perfect Sports Car.
They've done it plenty of times before
I was thinking the car had a bent wheel or two
If a Maserati sounds bad then it's broken. Saw and heard my 1st MC20 at the weekend, sounded magic.
What about putting it on air?
I had one… engine fantastic when the rest of the car would work. You never knew when it would and sometimes it fixed itself or broke down on its own whilst garaged. Never got another one is like the horny ex who was good at the time but not the long term
Nice affordable convertible, slightly different, reliable and fun: BMW Z1. Or too safe choice?
I quite like the Z1! Shame they're all LHD
I owned a spider for years, the chassis was terrible, especially when you accelerate round corners! I think it’s because they chipped the roof off! The engine was glorious!
They sound great but look like a less pretty rip off of the 96-2005 DB7/XK8 I'd have a 02-05 xkr instead, cost less and more reliable or the next gen x150 xk or xkr
If these where about £10k that would be really nice.
That’s about their value, early ones dearer than that are simply overpriced.
A car sadly defined by 2 noises firstly that amazing V8 secondly the rattle constantly in the background as you pointed out. Maybe one of those cars better to lust after than to own