I Built the Jonsbo N3 NAS ($599 Intel i9 Erying TrueNAS SCALE Build) - Better Than Synology/QNAP?
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Jonsbo N2 Build for Under/Around £250
Jonsbo N2 + TopTon Intel n5105 Celeron / Pentium n6005 Build (+$35)
Jonsbo N2 Case ￡74.04 (Ali) - amzn.to/3Z3f3Mu
Topton N5105 + 128GB NVMe + 4GB RAM ￡193.48 - amzn.to/47ZibNw
SATA 6 Connector ￡4.19 - amzn.to/3ZbYGNJ
400W SFX PSU ￡24.36 - amzn.to/3qQRzxG
Aliexpress links
Jonsbo N2 - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DD9...
Topton N5105/N6005+4GB - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DCl...
SATA x6 Cable - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DeD...
400W SFX PSU - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_Dk3...
300W PSU - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_Dmu...
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Jonsbo N2 Build for Under £500
Jonsbo N2 + Intel Core i5 12th Gen + 16GB RAM + 10GbE Build
Jonsbo N2 Case ￡74.04 (Ali) - amzn.to/3Z3f3Mu
SATA 6 Connector ￡4.19 - amzn.to/3ZbYGNJ
400W SFX PSU ￡24.36 - amzn.to/3qQRzxG
B660M ITX Motherboard £235.79 + Intel Core i5 12490F CPU + 16GB RAM - amzn.to/3LatkS2
ARGB CPU Radiator Fan (LGA1700) ￡13.38 - amzn.to/3sLPy6c
(better option for CPU Fan) Noctua NH-L9x65 CPU Cooler £49 - amzn.to/3EqsLjd
X540-T2 Intel Chipset PCIe x8 Dual Copper RJ45 10Gbps ￡39.34 - amzn.to/3Z3GSUU
Tbkoly Controller Card Motherboard Expansion Card 1 To 5 Port SATA £20.45 - amzn.to/3P8F3RV
(Optional) 2x M.2 NVMe PCIe 4 X 8 Card GLOTRENDS Dual M.2 PCIe 4.0 - amzn.to/3ZaeEbk
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Best Jonsbo N2 Build for £750-1000
Jonsbo N2 + Gen4/5 MoBo + Intel Core i5 12th Gen with Int Gfx + 32GB RAM + 10GbE Build
Jonsbo N2 Case ￡74.04 (Ali) - amzn.to/3Z3f3Mu
SATA 6 Connector ￡4.19 - amzn.to/3ZbYGNJ
600W SFX PSU ￡43.78 - amzn.to/3sMaf1P
Asrock Z690M-ITX/AX gEN 4/5 Motherboard £171.20 - amzn.to/3EMpjQ9
Intel Core i5-12600K 12th Gen £239 - amzn.to/45UtNiQ
Corsair VENGEANCE LPX DDR4 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) £59.99 - amzn.to/45CB2fV
ARGB CPU Radiator Fan (LGA1700) ￡13.38 - amzn.to/3sLPy6c
(better option for CPU Fan) Noctua NH-L9x65 CPU Cooler £49 - amzn.to/3EqsLjd
X540-T2 Intel Chipset PCIe x8 Dual Copper RJ45 10Gbps ￡39.34 - amzn.to/3Z3GSUU
Tbkoly Controller Card Motherboard Expansion Card 1 To 5 Port SATA £20.45 - amzn.to/3P8F3RV
(Optional) 2x M.2 NVMe PCIe 4 X 8 Card GLOTRENDS Dual M.2 PCIe 4.0 - amzn.to/3ZaeEbk
AliExpress Links
Jonsbo N2 - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DD9...
SATA x6 Cable - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DeD...
Cheaper CPU Fan - s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_Dd9...
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Video Chapters
00:00 - Previously On...
00:34 - A Christmas Tale
02:14 - Video Start
03:39 - Jonsbo N3 Case Overview
05:03 - The Erying i9 Motherboard Bundle
07:10 - Why the Erying SRLD3 Mobile SoC Mobo is Such a Big Deal
08:55 - The SATA vs M-ITX Port Issue Resolved
11:35 - Recommended CPU Cooler
13:20 - PSU Choice
15:30 - The SSD and HDD Disclaimer!
18:16 - The START of the Jonsbo N3 NAS Build
19:30 - Applying the CPU Cooler
21:00 - CPU Cooler Direction
25:20 - Extra CPU Cooling
27:00 - Memory Installation
28:25 - SSD Installation Notes
33:11 - Opening up the Jonsbo N3
34:50 - PSU Installation and Direction
40:00 - SATA Cable Routing
41:40 - Placing the Motherboard and CPU in the Case
43:30 - Powering the Motherboard
47:00 - Installing Hard Drives
50:31 - First Time Boot and BIOS of the ERYING Motherboard
53:15 - Noise
55:00 - TrueNAS SCALE Installation
56:58 - TrueNAS SCALE Boot and Checks
59:26 - PCIe Lanes
01:02:00 - Verdict, is this worth $599 ?
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Power usage would be nice to see to each of our builds. Europe energe is expensive and many people looks for low power builds. Maybe some video about "powertop" tool and how to decrease power consumption? Think about it as this is "hot" topic nowadays.
You sound like Eddie! 100% added to the to-do pile
Definitely agree with the power usage stats. Just picked up some cheap Refoss plug switches with energy monitoring and it's really interesting to see how much power is being used, especially if a NAS is going to be on 24/7
@@bottletop101 I did the same. I can't believe it costs about £250 a year to run my NAS. Almost cheaper to get cloud storage.
I bought a CWWK N5105 NAS motherboard and have been testing it with Debian 12 before trying it as a NAS. Low power usage is one of the goals. After some effort, I got S3 suspend-to-RAM to work, which can come in handy, but my first attempts at power saving with idle C-states has not been that successful. C-states were disabled in the BIOS, so I enabled them. Tried to auto-tune with powertop, but the system locked up. I'm still reading up on ACPI power saving states, but Wolfgang (has a youtube tech channel) says that the JMicron JMB585 chip that provides 5 of the 6 SATA ports prevents the CPU from entering the highest C-states with the greatest power savings. Anyone have any experience with that? Any workarounds or power optimizations that you can recommend on this subject?
BTW, I upgraded the BIOS to the most recent from 8/30/2023 to fix SATA bus reset errors while testing with a Samsung 850 EVO SSD, and to (supposedly) fix Wake On LAN problems. Haven't tested the latter, but the bus errors went away.
@@dktol56 I bought i3-12100 + Asus B760 D4 due to the cost reduction and I was able to reach C10 in 45% on proxmox without VMs but with 3xNVME and 3x12TB HDD. Power consumption was around 13W but when I added 20 containers (mostly related media server and file sharing) I end up on 22W on idle. C6 30% and C10 30%. It is great achievement compared to my old qnap 643d where in idle I had 60w. Unfortunetly due to a bad eth phy (Realtek) I can't use it as a NVR. Cam generates a lot of traffic on it and prevent mobo to go to higher C states. Instead of it I used Pi for NVR (cam have human detection build in and it was easy to connect to HA - Dahua)
Fantastic build!
Please note that some of the links in the description are unavailable.
Unfortunately the total build here in Italy would cost a huge figure more thinking of VAT, Customs, and most of all the °°°°ing postal costs if purchased from Ali.
Thanks Rob, you are constant inspiration for us (very very humble and) small IT managers and self builders for our customers solutions.
Happy 2024!!!
Yes. I belive many of us are interested in power consumption (Idle and full blast with different scenarios) on this build nowdays. Merry X-mas!!!
Really helpful to someone looking to build their first NAS. There's so much data to sort through. Thanks for your work and clear presentation.
Thank you for this video. Excited about building my own next NAS this summer (northern hemisphere).
Amazing and Fun video Sir! Ty! Totally new to NAS. I'd like to have Media etc on mine. Need to learn how to organize and back-up OS and PC to it. I would like mine to be a jack of all trades.
My sincere best to you and your family!!
Thank you, Robbie. This was exceptional 🎉.
Awesome video! If not the Jonsbo case, what would you advise? I'd love to see how this build performs with Prox Mox, running a TrueNAS scale VM, Plex server and Linux/windows VMs as well... Am I expecting too much from this build?
Great build! Well done on the choice of the motherboard with the additional M.2 slots and the SATA adapter card. There don't seem to be many ITX motherboards with accessible M.2 slots to add the 6-port SATA adapter. I am curious when you do the AMD build for the Jonsbo N3 which motherboard you considering using? I haven't found any that have the M.2 placement to add the 6-port adapter card that seem to work because the M2 adapters seem to be buried under a mezzanine riser with heat sink making using for SATA adapter difficult.
Thanks for the video - Looking forward to building a small TrueNAS test system in 2024
Thank you for watching! Hope you make an absolute stunner of a system! Merry Christmas!
Great video. I’ve ordered the mobo, ram and m2 6 sata. What was the mounting kit you purchased to hold the cooler as I can’t see it linked?
Thank you, Merry Christmas! Can't wait until 2024 to see what's next
Thanks bud!
Great video! I've ordered N3 case and a Topton N100 based Motherboard. Evaluated a few other ITX motherboards, but stuck with the Topton N100, which I think is gives the max bang for the buck especially considering the very low 6W TDP.
I would have definitely gone topton too, if I hadn't already gone topton on the Jonsbo N2 build. Working on a vid for Jan on a 2 bay modded case with an AMD processor. Stay tuned
Another alternative would be using the Core i3-N305 instead of the N100. Main difference being it has 8c/8t and a 16W TDP which can be configured down to 9W.
Keep up the good work I'm using truenas scale for my home server/nas.
Lovely stuff, and thank you for the kind words man
Enjoyed this build video! I learned a lot! Thanks!
No worries. Glad I could help
This is an awesome video and watched it so may times. I do have a question about the NVME on the underside of the base. Not sure if i missed it, but haw did that impact the fitting and placement of the actual motherboard? Since it would add to the size. Was there suiable space and with it being really covered, would that be detrimental to the SSD. becuase of limited cooling possibly available. I know soome nvme SSD's have a heatsink or can be added.
Would love to hear what you think
awesome video start to finish.
looking forward to power consumption in idle and load testing.
would like to see possibly a demo on how to reserve nvme ssds for a separate vm datapool in truenas scale separate from the spinning disks. haven’t seen anyone show how to do that in a truenas scale system. one of my systems set that as cache, which ended up not being useful with already ample/sufficient memory.
That might need to be something for a specific TrueNAS vid, but I've added it to the to do pile mate. Merry Christmas
@@nascompares still waiting on those power consumption numbers T.T
here here, please post power stats, this build looks like its gonna ruin my elecric bill @@nascompares
Great build!. I'm thinking of make a build with the topton motherboard. Question i see motherboards with n6005 processor, n5051, but also n100 processors. Can you point out a little bit the differences of these processors. I want to run unraid. on top of it, a few dockers and maybe an vm, but that will be more for testing etc. Can you give me advice for what kind of processor the best is for me?
Cool, you've finally done the Video I wanted after I've Finisher my own build 😅
Sorry man. But I hope it was good to watch
Fantastic and inspiring video. I got one of these m2 nvme to sATA adapter you are using. Is there any specific port requirement for this to work? My Aorus B550i Pro Ax mobo does not dedect it.
Thanks for the video. Couple of questions:
1. Do you think this thing could fit RTX 4060/4060Ti (247mm)? A. Possible, B. Challenging but possible, C. Forget?
2. I've heard on the video that this build seems to be pretty loud. I am looking for building something to put in my living room, next to the TV. Do you think that replacing the rear fans with, i.e. Noctua, would help, or should I look for a bigger case with some dampening?
3. I would like to use my server beyond TrueNAS. WDYT about running TrueNAS under proxmox, and passing drives through? Any experience?
Thanks!
After listening a lot your videos to decide between DIY or Prebuilt NAS I got mine yesterday to have the liberty of upgrading it and use unRaid "without" the size limitation.
Since there's no standard in PSU switch/connection location I had to plug the extension before getting the bracket back in place and as for the on/off switch I plan to open a vent on the side in case I need to switch it so I don't need to open the case. Depending on the motherboard I had to put the psu after the mobo and some cable connection that I wasn't able to do with the psu installed.
Lucky me I plugged my nvme Sata expansion under the mobo and I was able to put 4 cable with no problem and the other 4 on the mobo. So my nmve cache drive is on top and way more accessible!
I agree with you those spacers and handle are really weird I don't like it either... they should have been in plastic as if you screw them too tight it doesn't slide nicely .... I'm pretty sure someone will 3dprint something!
As for the fan I have to test some config as they are really noisy ... wasn't expecting that as I put Noctua fans in there. I don't even hear my PC but that thing is way too loud... I have to try without the grill and do my cable management as there's a lot of air restriction. I'm not a aerodynamic engineer but all those hole/perforation in the plate between the mobo and HDD may generate drag and cause noise instead of funneling the air.
Thanks for all you videos!
I'll speak on behalf of users reading this comment on the future, but thanks for sharing these build notes mate. If this vid goes anything like the Jonsbo N2 vid I made, people will be ploughing through these comments for pointers...and your comment I gold man! Cheers for sharing
A bit more test ... Definitely the fan in the bottom part needs to be plug on the motherboard as they will go 100% and even with the low noise adaptor they were still too loud. I'll put a temp sensor and try to manage them with it if they get too hot.
As a side note my power button light doesn't work anymore ... at the beginning it was lit only while powering up....
nice system. could the hardware be used in the N1 and what about the power consumption?
That mobo/CPU combo looks a proper steal!
Mate! I was blown away by the pricetag.
Yup. It's a Laptop CPU, which is why it's hard-mounted - It's soldered to the motherboard and not replacable.
Thanks, Robbie, that is a fantastic video. I'm waiting for my storaxia .. I would like to see a couple of VMs running Windows or MacOS
Hackintosh? You dog! Tbh that's a great idea and if you use proxmox (as Storaxa say that they are building on) it will be a thing of beauty!
Could you please update the article on this one? nearly all of the aliexpress links no longer work (the products dont exist anymore) including the motherboard itself.
I have the 12800H version of this board. It was like 5 usd more that the 12700, but still more than 100usd cheaper than the 12900H version during the 11.11 sale. One of the really coolt things, that you can actually undervolt these boards, to further reduce the power consumption, while still having 99.5% of the original performance. The newer BIOS version (that you already has on your board by default) can handle XMP and undervolting much better than the original one, and overall made this board much more stable than it was when they released it.
Plus compared to the boards with 11xxx series CPUs, it handles virtualization, IOMMU, PCIe passthrough and other things much better (iirc pcie passthrough wasn't possible on the 11xxx series erying boards). This board is a (virtualization) power house, although I could not recommended the 12900H version, because the performance difference is minimal compared to the 12700H or 12800H versions, that makes it overpriced compared to those versions. In my opinion tho, Proxmox is a better choice as the main OS, because based on my experience, truenas cannot really leverage the full performance of this CPU, but it is just my 2 cents :)
"... you can actually undervolt these boards ... while still having 99.5% of the original performance" - ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE
did you manageto passthrough the igpu?
Can this mobo boot in headless mode?
What a fantastic job brother! Superb!
I have few comments if you allow me:
1- with such power (i9) I would NOT waste it to be TrueNAS only - my TrueNAS is on Intel N6005 and I never had issue with CPU
2- with such power I would go for Proxmox and there, TrueNAS as VM with direct passthrough disks to it I would add more memory though.
3- this way you have fantastic hypervisor with excellent NAS
but what do I know ;-)
Again: thanks for fantastic video.
Hey man. I debated for AGES about the eventual NAS OS setup for this build. It'll make sense in hindsight, but the reason I didn't go the proxmox route on this one was because my next build(ish) vid is at about 30% (aiming for end of Jan publish) is proxmox based. It's a bit of a fugly build, but I hope you enjoy it!
@@nascompares did I enjoy? do you NEED to ask? ;-) Thank you for your MARVELOUS job in 2023 and all the best in 2024! I think I am done with my DIY NAS but be sure I will NOT leave your channel ;-)
Your future video I'm eager to see is when you evaluate the AOOSTAR WTR R7 PRO, in the context of comparative value with the various DIY builds you've done, and particularly this one.
*grins like a moron*, see you next week for a couple of absolute bangers.......(psst.. or CZcams membership early access). Have a fantastic Christmas!!!
Can I ask the opinion of this case and adding a GPU ?(lowpower/no external power cards say something like a low profile 1050ti without a power socket)
I love the sleek look of this case, obvs the psu is a bit of a singer but you can get good sfx modular psus nowerdays anyway, and realistically I think it would be a cool all in one lug around PC, tons of storage options, enough space for a lowpower 2/1.5 slot gpu
How does this motherboard compare to the Topton ITX + AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS?
Also just wondering if ECC is all worth it for a server? It seems rather hard to find a good price that support ECC.
Currently, I am looking to do the Jonsbo N3 build with Minisforum BD790i. Thoughts?
Hey Mate, got a question. I'm having trouble with getting my M.2 NVME to SATA3.0 PCIE to SATA 6Gpbsx6-Port Expansion Card recognized on my Eyring mobo doing the same build as you did. Got any advise of what I need to do to get drives recognised on the this card?
I bought the same mobo/cpu combo. What fan curve did you use?
Can the 8 sata slots be removed to put in 2x5.25 or 3x5.25? You know to use 1 or 2 Tougharmor 5.25" NVMe bays
The Corsair PSU I got for this doesn’t have a molex cable long enough to plug in both slots. I can only get 1 plugged in. Suggestions? How much is powered by the 1?
I want to ask about the cooler Thermalright SI-100, the product says it supports Intel：LGA115X/1200/1700/2011/2066 socket, is this mainboard Erying with on-board CPU using same socket 1700? Thanks.
I plan to use this motherboard in another case with higher clearance and supports full size tower cooler, so I only want to know if I can use other coolers if they also support socket 1700.
Very good video
great video!
Thanks man! Appreciated
I am sitting on i5-12600k that I have no use for and I would really appreciate any recommendations for mobo setup, maybe even including cpu cooler?
Would love to try and build myself my first nas and Jonsbo N3 looks real nice but have no idea where to start hw wise.
thanks for the vid, love your work! Geeks of the world unite!
Nice I got a n3 after seeing your frist video love the case nice to see you build in it wish i went for that motherboard over the amd one i got
Tbh this mobo is a bit of a mutant/irregular one. If it's wasn't for the vid, I'm not sure I would have got it, as at least the topton boards have some history behind them now. Also, got an odd Ryzen 7 semi-build in the works for Jan '24.
@@nascompares its a good point and if the bored die not like you can take the cpu out , I was lucky with my CPU got 5700g for £100 off facebook
SOLD to the smart man!
@@nascompares Craft Computing (the beer guy) is a fan of the Erying motherboards. He has used them in a couple of builds - the most recent is in a nas using the Audheid matx/mitx 8-bay case with the faux wood finish.
Great build! I purchased the same motherboard and I am having issues with the second ethernet port not showing activity.
Hi Robbie,
Great video!!
I am thinking of copying this exact build. Is it possible for you to list (and link) all the components you've used in this build? (Off course not including the storage media)
That would be freaking awesome!
PS. Were you able to measure the power consumption in the meantime?
Thanks :)
The links are in the description and article below. Power consumption video series (doing loads of different setups in 1 vid) in coming soon
@@nascompares I was unable to find the links to Jonsbo N3 + Erying i9 components, maybe I missed it somewhere. Perhaps you could guide me a bit to where you placed the link? 😁
have you seen the ADT-Link R54SF 4.0 adapter from m2 wifi to nvme? That + the same NVMe to 5 sata that you are using, you could test to see if that works and free the other nvme. At least in theory this adapter extension could go between whatever you have on the x16 slot and the back of the case, in other words, "below the GPU" and then do a turn into the hole to somehow secure it in the lower part of the case, perhaps with magnetic screws. You would need to estimate how long the extension should be as they provide different length options. I don't have it but this is what came to mind when I saw it.
hello, I want to build a NAS and i'm kind of new in the game. when looking online, it seems jonbso n3 is "the best". my focus would be that it is not too big (n3 is already at my limit) but I also want the NAS to be as quiet as possible. I assume that with a better airflow, this should be possible, because it can do cooling without extra fans. thoughts? I'm very close to going for the n3.
Would an external hard-drive attached to my router qualify as a bona fide NAS? What features or functionality might be lacking? Thank you, Tony.
Very jealous of that Jonsbo case. Trying to decide between an n2 & n3 for my NAS. Then on the silly side I think it might be fun to mount a Deskpi Super6c or Turing Pi in it so I can beat my head against physical clusting & attaching a pci raid controller to a raspberry pi.
Full Size ATX motherboard with Fiber Optic NIC, LSI HBA PCIe ( Fractal R5 or R7-XL )
Are there space in these cases to add a discrete gpu (Plex) ? I don't expect the Iris graphics is particulary viable if at all as video encoding.
Does that motherboard have a connector for the front panel USB-C cable? I seem to be having no success when it comes to finding boards that have those headers
Finally 😂, thanks for the video!
No worries. Hope you enjoy it
If your build costs include case, mainboard/CPU, RAM, and PSU, I'd say you'd be hard pressed to get an 8 bay NAS for only $599 anywhere....; nice work! (I ended up paying $800+ shipping just to get my 6 bay +4 NVME Asustor 6706T shipped to me, so I'd say you did darn well!)
Its that Erying mobo bundle man...drove the right comically down!!!
Can I go all NVME or sata SSD with this build and trueNAS? What else would I need for the all NVME?
i built one with my older 11900k and Z590, because it still has intel optane support, it is loaded for bear! Sonnettech McFiver PCIe Card, goodness. i almost watercooled it, but just too much $$ to throw at it. yep, little beast, thunderbolt 4 also.
My Jonsbo N3 is all up and running with unraid. Currently just 4 drives, and they're all next to each other (long story why they're not spaced out). During parity build, the drives got pretty hot. Actually hit the 45c warning, a couple of them anyway. I took a small room fan and put it right in front of the machine, facing into the drives. That keeps everybody happy. Currently low 30's, although the machine is just kind of hanging out. When it was doing real work, drives would tip up to mid-30's, with maybe one getting up to 38/39. Ideallly I don't need to have a room fan sitting in front of this thing, so wondering what people do with fans? The ones that come with the unit can be replaced, but I'm not sure how much that will help. Need to find some numbers on airflow. The top area where fans can be added seem like an option, but I'm guessing that won't do a lot as the air won't really be going over the drives. Worst-case, I'll just (somehow) attach fans to the front grill, but I actually like the look of the case and would prefer to avoid a crap build if I can.
This is the video I've been waiting for 🎉🎉🎉
Glad to hear it mate. Have a bloody great Christmas!
I have seen other of this boards having issues with virtualization, is it the case with this mobo model?
Thanks for the video, I am looking to get/build a NAS for my home studio. I got lots of vids I made for my CZcams channel as well as other media that I want good access to.
This system in the vid might be overkill for that (unless you want to edit on it), but this or a higher tier topton would suit you sure
I would be interested in benchmarking the difference between the m.2 sata controller and an actual HBA LSI card just passing through the risks to the os.
Since it is common for many sata contollers including the asmedia chip to use port multiplier.
Which strictly means it will not be able to write simultaneously to all drives at once on the asmedia chip.
compared to a real raid controller card passing through the drives directly to the os.
The experiment would the be to utilize all 6 data on the m.2 data controller, benchmark and compare that to an HBA LSI controller in the pci card passing though 6 disks to the os.
I would find it interesting to see if there actually is a difference.
Best regards, keep up the good work and make us more great Nas videos.
Darkyere
I currently use the Silverstone m.2 to SATA adapter in the N3 with 8 disks in RAID 6, and over a 2.5GBE connection, it does saturate that in reads and writes (unsurprisingly)
@nascompares... thanks for the great video, I'm not sure if you covered the info regarding CPU / chipset lane counts and the resource sharing for the board you selected as that will also have an effect on other components, I am thinking of going down this exact route however would appreciate some clarification as the CPU you mentioned has 20 lanes and the Z690 block diagram shows 1x PCIe 5.0 x16 and 1x PCIe 4.0 for PCIE SSD / NVME to the CPU meaning filling other slots / drives will consume chipset bandwidth. The chipset has 8x DMI PCIe x4 lanes to the CPU resulting in 12 lanes left for PCIe devices (as per my understanding). I was thinking of adding a dual port 10Gbps RJ45 card and potentially utilising the spare PCIe lanes for the boot NVME using a PCIe 1-to-2 riser adaptor which will free up bandwidth on the 8 DMI lanes for the chipset (you had an additional 2 NVME drives connected which would be routing through the chipset, as per my understanding). I may be talking nonsense however would appreciate any clarification you could give. Thanks in advance :)
I may also be mistaken or misunderstanding as I read there are 28 chipset lanes (Z690) for devices + 20 direct to CPU giving a total of 48 however need clarification as to whether the 8 dmi lanes that connect to the CPU from the chipset will eat out of the 20 CPU lanes( leaving 12 out of 20 for PCIe) as usually it is stated eg Ryzen 9 7900x has 28 PCI lanes with 24 usable (4 going to the chipset). The ASRock Z690 Mobo appears to have better throughput to the Chipset than what the Asus ProArt x670e does which is surprising as it crams all their connectivity down 4 DMI 4.0 lanes yet the Z690 has 8 DMI 4.0 lanes. Help a brother understand please, lol.
You can probably ignore most of what I said as it appears the DMI lanes for Intel are separate from the CPU lane count (as per further reading) however feel free to clarify if need be.
The product link jonsbo is for N2 and not jonsbo N3 case. Awsome video.
Can you please measure and tell me the exact height of the jonsbo n3 without the feet? just the metal case itself? In cm/mm . Thank you
Two Questions - First, could this box, as built, run a home server or a Firewall or Pi-Hole in a VM? Second, what about ECC memory? What m-ITX boards that handle ECC could do all I'd like in question 1? (edit to add - Thank you and please keep up your niche content - yours is the part of youtube that answers the really needed questions)
Hi mate. To answer your Qs. 1) yes, but it was would tremendous overkill in most respects. Better to use something like proxmox as a base, then run a NAS OS VM alongside a router/network VM. That would give you the best of both worlds, especially with a network card upgrade. 2) few ITX mobos seem to support ECC much, largely as the CPU/socket that most support do not tend to support ECC in the first place. Hope that helps and thanks for the kind words
Gigabyte and ASRock have B550 mini-ITX boards that support ECC (depending on CPU).
I'd like to see a Synology Photo replacement running on it. How does it upload photo and video from a phone. And how well it transcoded home video recorded on phone.
I'd like to leave Synology, but I don't know what photo and video backup would be like on my own diy NAS.
A little late to the party but what brackets do you use for the cooler? I was looking into this motherboard and paring it with a Noctua NH-L9i and was wondering if it would fit and if it would give good coverage to cool the cpu. Any advice?
Tbh the ones that are included with the heatsink in the vid were used and were great. If I didn't highlight the cooler name/brand in the vid/description, email me on Robbie (at) NASCompares and I will send you the full details.
Is there a comparable board that does support ECC? Even my AMD Phentom X6/ASUS Mainbaord that is about 10 years old supports ECC!
If I were to go with this setup, what are some other cases you would recommend that would make it easy to still have 2 nvme, 10gb ethernet, and a graphics card later? Or is it still possible to add a graphics card in this system?
Tbh, if you want full height depth/double-width gfx cards - that would be the fractal node 304/804. Likewise if you are looking towards 2x pcie cards (so most likely ATX boards), then still the nose 804, or perhaps the Audheid 8 bay or U-NAS 810A. I recommend you watch my AliExpress Nas case video (or amz version of you are in Europe). Hope that helps mate
I'm wondering if I could pair this with an N100 board, something like an N100DC-ITX but problem is then I wouldn't have a dedicated power supply for the drives..
I really like those SFF NAS cases, but in my situation they are not feasible because I always recycle my old workstation mobo/RAM/CPU when I upgrade for proxmox and trueNAS (trueNAS as a VM inside proxmox). Also, the small form factor has too many limitations for my taste. I think I picked the perfect PC case for my homelab server, it's a Fractal Meshify 2 which has a moving panel inside that you can put in "storage" configuration allowing you to install up to 10 (or 12 I don't remember) 3.5" HDDs. Also the layout is very convenient since you can have 3x140 front intake and the drives live directly behind that, resulting in amazing airflow and very cool drives. I know it's a bit expensive for a case but it's very well built, very nice to look at and has excellent airflow... also it will last me for years it's already seen 2 different motherboard/CPUs and it's very convenient because when I upgrade I can just leave the drives on the case and just replace the motherboard.
Can you fit a small GPU in for transcoding?
anyone know if you can hook up a m.2 adapter in the wifi slot on this motherboard to add 2.5gig network without losing m.2 slots or the pcie slot
Will this case amplify the noise from largehard drive ? The mounting mechanism looks different from regular drawer cage/cassette design
Quality content , thumbs up 👍
Tbh, it will make virtually no difference. The noise from bigger drives tends to stem more from the platters and internal actuators being considerably more active. The rubber screw tips (gromits?) Might well reduce the vibration hum, but they are still directly SATA attached to a static plate for the connection, so they won't get rid of it all. Tbh I wouldn't look at this build if noise is a concern, even with silent fan replacements
@@nascompares ah that made sense ，let me try add some sound dampening pad on my existing Qnap ,if helps then I can buy this case and do the same 😄
Imo if you need a truly silent build it's easier to go all SSD. Hdds can make very unpleasant noises and reducing that nose reliably while retaining normal airflow is tricky even with elastic suspension. Admittedly going the SSD route will kick up the price tag and result in lower available volume which is a real bummer for your average data hoarder. Happy new year to all including the video poster!
$170 USD for case alone! Wow
Add a 10GbE card and test performance, power and throughput. I'm looking for a 8-bay 10GbE NAS and this could be it.
Gonna opt for the QNAP QM2 card that has 2x m.2 and 1x 10GbE. Plus, this will be getting compared against the zimacube and storaxa (hopefully) in due course
I would really appreciate it if you could do a TrueNAS INSALL and SETUP on the Jonson N3 NAS for a complete novice with no server experience. I am an astronomer in County Durham UK with large photography data files that I need to access regularly. I have built all my own PCs and think that building the Jonah N3 NAS would be the cheapest way for me to get lots of storage with easy access.
Thanks!
Thank you for the exceptionally kind donation mate. We wanted to make this video, after it's long running request. But the fact you went the extra mile and donated for it makes it feel even more justified. Thank you for being bloody brilliant!!!
Very nice. But just a not on you guide for the expensive built, then I bought the Power Supply in the link and it was WAY too big. It should be an StX, not the big one in your link.
Can you measure the temperature of the internal lanes of this motherboard under heavy load ? There have been some observations of very high temperature in parts of this motherboard type.
The 11xxx CPU boards had much worse power delivery than these ones. Although I recommend to undervolt these boards, because that can further reduce power consumption and heat generation while still having almost all performance.
The H-card M.2 adapter is not a one-off. CWWK uses them in all their N100/N305 fanless firewall/router appliances.
I know, I'm using one in my own 4-port 2.5G firewall appliance right now.
Fairplay, that's true. I think I was speaking off the hoof a little there. I just meant that they threw in the m.2 adapter in the package I bought from Ali as a one off extra... Looked online and that dint seem commonplace as an included accessory (happy to be told otherwise/proved wrong though!). Cheers for keeping me on the straight and narrow mate! Merry Christmas!
Cheers for the video, I also hate those stupid rubber handles.
RIGHT!
my main concerns with the nas aimed itx boards is two fold, they either lack the x16 slot, or they lack a second m.2 with which to stuff one of those x6 sata port adapters into. or sometimes they lack both.
i want the x16 to stuff a gpu into for compute purposes, and the second m.2 for the very purpose you use the adapter for in this video, while using the other for the os drive.
that specific board you have is great, since it has both, but its also seemingly unobtanium at the moment.
Do look up ZimaCube... They are working on a system that is using a very unique 2 PCIe slot itx mobo (x16 + x4) with 2x m.2, 2.5G, 2x SODIMM and the CPU is preattached. I FULLY EXPECT that mobo to go mainstream on Ali soon enough and that will really shake up the mobos out there... Topton also has some fun hoards coming at the end of Q2
U used the erying 🔥
At 59:00 you mentioned the full dim being rare, but ever modern itx board is based on that standard and sodimm is the rare sight. Or did I misunderstood something here?
I’m pretty sure he was talking about the usual configuration of motherboards that include a socketed CPU, like those with an Atom-based processor (J4105, N5105 or N100)
What if you wanted to use ssd? I kinda like no tray but….
Where's the link for the Eyring i9 please?
Great build but genuine question. When I was building my FreeNAS box it was hammered home that ECC memory was critical for ZFS or you risk complete coruption of your data. Is that not the case?
A large part of me agrees with the "You should always have ECC" stance but in objective terms I've worked on not sure how many ZFS systems that are probably something like 80/20 split ECC/no ECC since ZFS was introduced in FreeBSD and I can't say I've ever actually seen bit rot or silent corruption in normal circumstances. I personally prefer to have it but I've seen ZFS recover properly from bad sectors, failed disks and power failures infinitely better than raid cards of old. The one thing I have seen cause major problems on ZFS is improperly exporting a pool and there is a bug in ZFS that can cause ZFS to corrupt copies of data but ECC doesn't make a difference in either of those circumstances.
The risk of Non-ECC vs ECC memory is no less nor greater for zfs than it is for any other filesystem (ext4, xfs,..) - an undetected flipped RAM bit in an i/o cache can result in filesystem corruption on nonvolatile storage. This has been discussed in multiple places (level1techs forum, I think, and by Jim Salter on arstechnica, probably others). Bottom line: use ECC if you can get it and afford it, don't worry so much if you can't. And do backups. BTW, thank Intel for pushing ECC on the enterprise, and not on the desktop, to enhance their bottom line.
Apologies upfront!
The blue parts are called spacers, not washers, I believe?
Anyways;
I was learned always to install the memory first in case their heights might interfere with the CPU cooler/case-fans etc.
I would also point out, just to be made sure, to always check the arrows(!) on the side of any fans so you know what direction the airflow goes.
For CPU coolers, the fan should be blowing thru the CPU-cooler (and thus not suck air but blow air) and for the case fans, it is often used in the suck-direction (extract warm air from the case to the outside), otherwise you possibly almost might such dust & debris into your case.
I am surprised you did not put any heatsinks on the SSD's? (at minimum on the controller-chip)
For true noob's, this video is taking quite a few big steps. (such as double-checking all the ports on the rear when installing/sliding-in the MB, it can happen that an earthing-lip is inadvertently being bent outwards.
And I, always, ALWAYS recommend to the do cable-management, as that will help the airflow.
I do appreciate your efforts.
PS: The odd-looking adapter-board @32:25 is a mSATA to M.2 adapter-board. Until a year or two/three ago, mSATA's were quite popular (especially in portable systems & NUC-type situations) as they also had quite decent speeds and capacities. (up to 2TB, I believe)
No apologies needed man! Always good to be kept on the straight and narrow! I'm response to most of the points - it's mainly a case of video length and balancing what to include for the audience (between complete novices and those watching just to find out about 1-2 specific build points/case factors). Things like cable management are important as stated, but also a bit dull to watch and touch to film in such a tight case. Same with the m.2 Heatsinks - in this case I used 1 SSD That had a H/S already attached and (in efforts to keep the price under $599) I wanted to eliminate optional extras that some users might not want/need. That said .you totally got me on the fan arrows (didn't see/know that) and the names of the risers (I almost said "gromits" in the vid!!!!). Thank you for watching and helping the channel with your points in 2023 (I sincerely mean that man). It's those kind of things that helped me and this channel get better! Merry Christmas mate!
@@nascompares Kudos to you Robbie & Eddie, for all the efforts and hard work you do put into it, really impressive.
I do fully understand you wanted to keep the video balanced in length and what to include. Maybe it is a suggestion to do, as you have done before, several video-segments, where you dive into a bit more details about the building-steps?
I judge, based upon the reactions and other video's, your audience would really appreciate a bit more in-depth guidance. On the other hand, I can fully understand that is not your goal here, and rather want to show what is possible and how fairly easy it is to do. I.e. not a building-guide (although such would be a good video, I think, in multiple parts)
I do not know if it is something you would be considering, but maybe offer such a (completed) kit for sale via your regular methods/channel? Than such video's would most definitely help selling such. As you are selling your services/advice/consultancy, adding an affordable solution to your gamma, could be beneficial. Perhaps.
Again, just merely a suggestion, knowing your audience a wee bit.
Me merely pointing out some of the points was to forewarn readers/watchers of your video's that these also need a level of attention. I know for sure and am convinced you are not the infamous The Verge clusterf.ck PC builder from a while ago, if I had any really serious issues, I would contact you differently, not in a public place. And I never felt such a need, no worries.
I agree you had to take some creative decisions not to film the dull parts, as long as they are mention, either in the video, or in the comments. We are all here to learn and share idea's, and the ventilators mostly should have 2x arrows on the side somewhere, where 1x shows the airflow-direction and 1x shows the rotation-direction of the blades.
As for the gromits, although 'm no native English speaker, I believe the 4x rubbery thingies you had to screw into the HDD's are in fact grommets. Often used to pass-thru cables in holes with sharp edges, use for vibration-dampening etc.
Wishing you & Eddie and everybody else Merry Christmas and a smashing 2024, that we may continue to enjoy your content, in good health and lots of sharing and learning. And the humor plus occasional seagulls.
Thank You!
what do you think of the LSI 9300-8i RAID Controller Card PCI E 3.0. Does it really do raid, or use the Motherboard processor. I am using a Asrock Z270M-ITX/ac board that has 6 sata connectors, but may change to something more powerful if I like it that may not have more than 2....????? You're probably sleeping now, so I'll wait. Just your idea is all...
just for the intro ... like it!
Cheers man. Also, 10/10 beard in your user icon. Respect
What’s the best 2 bay NAS ?
Im considering building a NAS kit like that one. Are there any passive cooled kits?
Space is a bit tight tbh in there mate. I'd say that you need to double down on the CPU cooler. Even decent sized m.2 heatsink space is limited. Hope that helps
Asrock rack Deep mini itx i can do with that case?
Overall it's a nice build, but sweet Christmas. The drive handles and little rubber things. They are garbage, and it feels like Jonsbo could have come up with a better option without bumping the price much. I was putting the screws in like an idiot the first time and the drive fell from vertical to flat. Hope it still works (waiting on the MB, shipping, like life, doesn't always meet your expectations). If you are setting one up, my only advice. Screw in the weird drive bumpers from the side, with the drive flat on the table. Also, after the initial purchase, I went higher-end on various components. Got a really nice Coarsair PSU. Fully modular. However, the cable to the drive plate isn't long enough. Would have been a disaster if I hadn't *also* bought another PSU for the "power machine" of the home lab. Anyway, all wired and waiting for the MB. At the end of the day, it's a beast (hopefully). I'm looking at my synology 413j that's about to find a new home. Such good, slow times we had. Also have a DS920+, which is "fine", but "fine" sucks. Love the channel!
I am on the patreon, but not a lot of chatter. Big question, I understand the basic tradeoffs of ECC, but from a practical perspective, what's the TL;DR? The builds on the channel are focused on bare-minimum "nicker", which is great, but does a bit of buffer "nicker" for ECC pay off? Thanks in advance.
So what would it cost to buy a unit with the same features as the build? I.e is it worth it?
Why can I not find this case anywhere ? Any help please ?
Would add some perforation in the case above cpu fan if honestly, doubt cpu will overheat even in such circumstances but still...
I think that wouldn't be too necessary, as long as you have a semi active cooler, or at least pop in a couple of 8-10cm fans on the back plates of the case
I give you a thumb up just for the intro 😆
Thanks man!
Have you seen the JMCD-12S4? It's a mATX 12 bay hotswap case. Kind of similar layout to the Jonsbo N3, but ITX for the latter is a huge downside.
This is a great video and well explained. And, who wants to throw more money on it if its is not strictly necessary !
Cheers man. Appreciated the kind words
What's necessary is on the eye of the beholder :)
If you stick a more or less capable processor into your custom nas you might as well want it to be a homelab of sorts, which makes things like ipmi desirable if not mandatory. And there's the ever present "where's ecc ram?" Issue. And hba cards vs cheap (port-multiplier?) M.2 to Sata adapters.