Are Roy Keane & Gary Neville RIGHT about Ange Postecoglou? 🤯 🤔
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Following Premier League (PL) losses for Tottenham Hotspur against Newcastle United, Arsenal, Chelsea & Liverpool - top 4 & Champions League seems out of reach and therefore Spurs manager Ange Postecoglou has faced criticism from fans, rivals and neutrals.
The former Celtic, Australian national team, Brisbane Roar, Melbourne Victory and Yokohama F. Marinos boss has had a rollercoaster of a first season at Tottenham, but if he achieves European football like the Europa League or Europa Conference League after losing Harry Kane to Bayern Munich would still be impressive.
So I have reacted to some thoughts aired by Sky Sports pundits Roy Keane & Gary Neville, not Jamie Carragher this time, but talkSPORT and TNT Sport pundit Ally McCoist have had their say on Tottenham and Ange Postecoglou.
Are you still backing Big Ange?
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I also disagree with Rory Jennings on his takes about Ange Postecoglou!
The Premier League is heating up with Arsenal, Aston Villa, Brentford, Brighton and Hove Albion, Bournemouth, Burnley, Chelsea, Crystal Palace, Everton, Fulham, Liverpool, Luton Town, Manchester City, Manchester United, Newcastle United, Nottingham Forest, Sheffield United, Tottenham Hotspur, West Ham United and Wolves aka Wolverhampton Wanderers.
Ange Postecoglou and his Tottenham squad include Guglielmo Vicario, Pedro Porro, Cristian Romero, Destiny Udogie, Emerson Royal, Yves Bissouma, Pierre-Emile Hojberg, Dejan Kulusevski, Bryan Gil, Brennan Johnson, Son Heung-Min (손흥민) Richarlison, Pape Matar Sarr, Jamie Donley, Alfie Dorrington, Ashley Phillips, Oliver Skipp, Rodrigo Bentancur, Sergio Reguilon, Djed Spence, Ryan Sessegnon, Micky van de Ven, Timo Werner, Radu Dragusin, James Maddison and Dane Scarlett, Manor Solomon, Alejo Veliz, Giovani Lo Celso, Ben Davies, Fraser Forster, Brandon Austin, Alfie Whiteman, Ivan Perisic, Eric Dier, Japhet Tanganga, Tanguy Ndombele, Joe Rodon, Lucas Bergvall and Luka Vuskovic.
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Those Manchester pundits should look at there beloved Man United and don't cry for Spurs , red devils
At the beginning of the season, many of the Spurs fans knew very little about Ange apart from Celtic and Aussie Fans. Then we had the Kane saga. Who is going to score an extra 30 goals for the season? Remember Richy going through that drought. We got through our 1st 10 games and then the wheels fell off. Red Cards, injuries galore. Yet Ange pushed through all that. We then finally hear from the mob recently "Ange has been found out". To be fair, Ange always knew at some point during the year that our players would be found out and teams would capitalise on our inefficiencies. Not Ange. He already knew before the season even started that players would break. Sure enough. These are the players that are nowhere near good enough, or just don't buy into the system.. Why do you think he played Emerson, Gil, Davies? Ange has been very smart in how he has managed the Team. Am genuinely excited about next season. Bring it on.
I think the future looks bright
Well said that’s what I was trying to say sonny 😂 nicely put we are ok exciting times ahead good summer coming
Well said, 100% right.. what everyone saw in the first 6 months, will be how the future looks for Spurs... He will iron the problems over the summer, bring in a few more player's.. bloody hell, it took Arteta 4 yrs and kloop 5 before they become any good.. Takes time to build a sustained period of success and a team capable of doing so.. Especially the way Ange wants his teams to play.. The proper way of playing football..
@@SonnyTalksSpurs What playing J League Kangaroo football ??
Pushed through what? He’s been crap since the first ten games! What are you on?
I’m a gunner but without bias I can say I think spurs would be stupid to not give him at least another season. He needs his own signings to show his best.
Needs some more time at least
💯 spot on COYS💙🤍
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Nice sarcasm, mate. 😂
@@SilverSurfer5150 I’m serious .. Mate
It’s not a disaster loosing games, this is when you see the players that are simply not up to the levels & expectations of the manager and his style of play.. This is how a rebuild has to go to see where our weaknesses are and what positions need upgrading, we will see in the coming season a more clear picture of where we’re heading.
For me we have to be positive & have faith in Ange and give him time we can’t keep chopping a changing managers, I believe he will come good. COYS!
Yeah I’m sick of sacking managers
Been crap at defending (his style lends itself to this) but overall I love the style of play. He needs his kind of players that: a) fit the system and b) believe in it. Ange deserves to stay. I don’t want to watch fossil footie anymore!
So much of this is the midfield being so poor recently, the defenders have been pretty decent on the whole but are not getting much if any protection from midfield.
The blend is not all that at the moment - midfield needs an overhaul
@@SonnyTalksSpurs needs an out and out number 6, proper old fashioned wingers and another striker
agree 🙏
💯 spot on COYS💙🤍
I suggest the fans keep chanting Ange's nane at the remaining hone games with a hope that Levy feels the support and backs Ange with his plans
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Excluding the first 10 games, our team's performance when calculating the remaining 25 games as points is 11th. This is Ange’s true skill.
Also, in recent games against Arsenal, Chelsea, and Liverpool, the first half of the game showed Ange's true skill and level. It would have been a disaster if they hadn't played loose in the second half.
Tottenham ranks 4th in Europe in spending on player recruitment over the past 3 years. Stop blaming the players. The current loss streak due to disgraceful performance is entirely Ange's fault. If your tactics don't work, you should think of the next best solution, but you're not doing that at all. Go to the Scottish league where you were.
Our recruitment has been poor until recently tho
I have been a spurs fan 62 years when they were a good team they had some atrocious away records. I remember the season we won 18 drew 3 and lost 0 at hone, and away we won 1 drew 4 and lost 16 . We acceoted those times without calling for the manager's head . Keep thd faith and give Ange time next season to build his fortress.
Its possible that City will be relegated and it could be us and Arsenal challenging for the title
Modern football is just not patient at all
💯 spot on COYS💙🤍
@@SonnyTalksSpurshow patient does a spurs fan need to be before they are told they are not being patient? Like how many seasons do they have to watch that sad excuse of a football team fail to deliver?
But what do you do instead? Don’t support them or back them through thick and thin?
We need to shout out Ange's name at the remaining games of this season show Levy we have complete faith in our Manager and hopefully Levy will get it and back him
He WILL get it RIGHT in the end. BACK HIM!
I really do hope we back him
Not sure I would back his Kamikaze style. I would back him if he drops this style for different opponents.
He just needs players to suit
@@eriklee9462 he cannot or will not adjust trust me :(
His interview today showed he has a good attitude
I don’t think we should go to Manchester United for our knowledge on spurs.
These are the same guys that used to mock us.
We need to start blocking out the outside noise.
All that matters is what we think of ourselves. We are a great team with a long history.
Lets get behind this team and push them to the top ⚪️🤙
Very true!
Well he's guaranteed to finish the season better than last season with European football. He's produced more exciting games and with a pretty bad injury spell in the middle of the season has made good in the latter part to set us up for a good season to come depending on the summer transfer market. I think he's earned another chance to stay for another year.
Of course he has 🙏
Rome wasn’t built in a day. If Liverpool gave up on Klopp as quickly as some are calling for Ange’s head they wouldn’t be close to where they are now.
They would have been eating humble pie
💯 spot on COYS💙🤍
Ange only plays who he has inherited because he is showing the board who can and who can't play in his system.
Like he's found out this season is who is in for the long run and who has given up already.
Yeah his interview was telling about this as well
💯 spot on COYS💙🤍
Big up 🙏🙏🙏
Keep the faith. Ange is the perfect manager for Spurs and Levy. He doesn’t need expensive signings . He just needs players with high energy levels, who play the game in between their ears and who are convinced in the game style. Spurs under Ange is a destination club for young talented players who want to show the world their flair. There is a huge upside for Spurs in sticking with Ange.
It’s worth giving it a proper go
Another way of looking at this if two seasons ago the fans were asked next season you're going to have the amazing Antonio Conte fir a fillseason and Kane is going to score 30 goals and the season after you're going to get a completely new manager and be without Kane but you're going to be in a stronger position higher in the league and your team will score more goals and have more wins you'd be excited ? In my book that's progress
What a comment this is! SPOT ON!
Glad you like it Sonny. Ange is our Messiah we are so lucky to have him ,treasure him I say
Couldn’t agree more - hope you like the channel 🙏
BigAnge deserves criticism especially in set pieces,he has to work on it maybe bringing in players who are good on those situations.He deserves a few window periods.I m loving BigAnge instead
Yeah I think you can critique him but know that he can and will fix it
💯 spot on COYS💙🤍
I think it’s going to end in tears (again), but we can’t keep changing manager, we have to see it through to the end of next season anyway and Levy needs to do his bit too.
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60 - 66 points is a good first season. BUT we are declining in the second round as teams worked us out not improving. If Ange could learn, adapt and get good coaches he could turn it around. But I wouldn’t put money on him doing that.
We need a reset - refresh and some more players
Some fast wingers centre forward box to box midfielder will really help. BUT Ange needs to learn and adapt. PL is tough.
Agree much needed
Why are we talking about Ange the man, the elephant in the room is the system
1. We won 8 from 10 early season were flying.
2. In those 10 games we showed all the PREM coaches THE SYSTEM.
3. That system as been totally sussed out and with Ange being so stubborn Ange has a monumental task in challenging the top 3 to win the PREM.
4. The results do not lie, we have been awful and the players form has been nowhere near it.
5. My concern is how we are looking now as a team will not have people knocking down the door to join us !
I still dont think it has been totally sussed out
Under the helm of Daniel Levy, Tottenham Hotspur FC finds itself in a perpetual struggle to secure trophies, regardless of the caliber of managers at the helm. It's akin to possessing a powerful gun but lacking the essential ammunition to execute plans effectively. The club's ambitions for glory seem to be thwarted by a series of obstacles, be it in the transfer market, managerial decisions, or team dynamics. Until these underlying issues are addressed and resolved, the dream of lifting major silverware may remain elusive for the Lilywhites.
Very poetic
At mo, only 4 teams are better than us and the ones below are worse over the course of a season. It’s still better than I thought it would be this season. Give him a bloody chance.
It is not about the table. It is about the shite football.
Love the vids
Thank you 🙏
I honestly think he was just telling his GP that his headaches and heartburn are much better now, thanks 👍
hahaha
2 transfer windows is y far not long enough to get rid of the dead wood and get new players with suits is style !
the only criticism I have why doesn't he play Dragusin in the defence?
He should mix it up next game
Dragusin was brought in as injury replacement for two specific players who have not been injured since he joined. That's why. Neither of them have been playing badly enough to be dropped for an untested player
💯 spot on COYS💙🤍
Lets see If your're calling him the "perfect manager" If Spurs
lose at home to Burnley on Saturday.
Why so negative?
Think it’s disgraceful and disrespectful for pundits to question a manager in his first season after boring conte and Jose football jmo
Tbf Neville had a go at them and backed ange
Rory Jennings doesnt like tottenham in general, the guy is more an arsenal supporter than his own team chelsea
This might be true
He needs to be backed but Ange needs to change his ways with high line and get set pice coach in. And we need to buy some quality in.
think this all will happen
Gary Neville is right about Spurs having a style, it’s called bottling it and losing and being trophyless season after season. Being Spursy is what Spurs do best. Spurs are just reverting to type at the end of the season.
I can tell you’re not a Spurs fan
@@SonnyTalksSpurs Exactly. I’m not deluded.
hahaha
We need to build a completely new squad. We’ve got good defenders but our backup isn’t good enough, so in case Cuti or VDV get injured we’ll be finished. We have to sign 2-3 midfielders, 2-3 wingers and an extra striker as a backup apart from Santiago Gimenez.
think you are right
@@SonnyTalksSpurs Sonny they’ve been talking about Pedro Neto but I wouldn’t sign him it’s a big risk as we struggle with injuries, I think Manor Solomon was our main threat on the wing and I’d give him a second chance but I’m still hesitating whether if it’ll be a good decision to bring Neto next summer.
He is injury prone is my worry - what about someone like Johan Bakayoko?
@@SonnyTalksSpurs I like him. I’d try signing Eze
Eze, Olise or MGW
From OZ. Not a Spurs fan and was gutted when Ange left Celtic but decided to knuckle down and pay attention. Distinctly remember Spurs fans saying at the outset they weren’t expecting too much and would be more than happy with exciting/adventurous football and at least 6 th place. Now it’s all tears and tearing their hair out. Buckle up guys, it’s a re-build repeat RE-BUILD…..
think you need to start supporting the spurs!
@@SonnyTalksSpurs. Will meet you halfway…….I’m an Ange/Spurs fan 😊
Spurs have been in rebuild since 1991
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Very few players are good enough, only players id keep = Maddison, Odogie, Dragasin, VDV, Romero, Bentancour, Son, Porro, Sarr, Bergvall, the rest can go including the keeper whos terrible really
Harsh on vicario
Completely agree with you ❤
big up hope you like the channel
it would not matter if you paired Usain Bolt alongside VDV and Cuti the INSANE HIGH LINE played on the half way line is a death wish partner that with his version of zonal marking and "your having a laugh " except were not AngeOut asap and COYS
Most teams play a high line - just need to sort the midfield out
@@SonnyTalksSpurs he plays the high line on the half way line NO OTHER team does :(
Bolt has already proven speed alone doesn't make a good footballer. Impatient know it all fans out asap
What about Liverpool, city and Arsenal - they do
@@SonnyTalksSpurs NO they do not play it on the half way line they sit at least 5 to 10 yards deeper that way a ball in behind has to be near perfect or the "sweeper keeper " can clear almost every team in the top leagues get this but Ange :(
Quality signings absolutely essential!! No club signings!!
very true
What highs? Getting dumped out of both cups? Not being able to cope with 1 game a week, sometimes every 2 weeks!! Are you listening to Mccoist Laughing at us, because he likes watching us get hammered. It’s funny how nobody mentions the 79 points Conte got in 36 games with a much crappier team
Would you take conte back / I certainly wouldn’t
Pretty decent season that's exactly it I know ifs and buts without all the injs and the stop start nature of this season if we moved the first 10 games to the last 10 everyone would be fine carry on Ange
yeah flip the season and people go fair
It’s always the same being called for, “back the manager”. Who must back him, the fans? No, the ownership needs to back him, and when last was a manager backed? The last manager was one of the greatest, which I’m sure some fans will disagree with, but fans expect a Picasso painting from the artist when the ownership is giving them crayons. Managers all have certain styles of playing and some players just can’t do what’s expected of them, and they need to be replaced to suit the managers way of playing. The ownership has a track record of not doing that ever, and yet the managers are always the ones falling on the sword. Managers need time, and the players they need, and the Tottenham ownership has never obliged them any of it, and I can’t see it miraculously changing with this manager. He won’t get the players, thus won’t get results, and soon the stupid fans will be calling for his head as we are already witnessing, and the cycle will continue whilst the owners cash in on one of the most profitable football clubs in the world. Ask yourself, Maurinho, Conte, Postecoglou have been incredibly successful at every club they have been at, except for one: Tottenham, but yes, let’s use zero logic and blame the managers. The answer is glaringly obvious to anyone who has an IQ greater than their shoe size.
Levy needs to pull his wallet out and finally back someone
Comparing Ange Postecoglou to Arteta, Klopp & Pep Is ridiculous & only done because they have been successful.
Why not compare him to Steven Gerrard or Bieslsa ?
Were they as high as 4th/5th in their first season?
@@SonnyTalksSpurs So that''s the comparison, where they were In the table ?😶
At the same period after the same amount of games Ange has more than Arteta and Klopp
@@SonnyTalksSpurs At the same period after the same amount of games Ange Postecoglou has LESS points than Ole Gunnar Solskjaer had In his first full season In charge Of Man United. What does that mean ? Something or nothing ?
maybe ole was better than erik
💯 trust in Ange give him a few season , it’s his first EPL season Rome wasn’t built in a day COYS💙🤍
COYS!!!
Is there any compelling proof Ange is a significantly more savvy manager now, than not long back when Celtic got completely outplayed & outsmarted home & away in Europe by Bodo Glimpt - a small club with a tiny fraction of Celtics resources ?
yeah but they were on the up Bodo Glimt with an exciting coach
NO! While I tend to agree with most of the things being said. At the end of the day, the only people that really know what goes on are those in the building. Pundits will do their punditry, and Ange will do his coaching. In Ange, I trust!
great comment
I know right? It's like everyone claiming, based on press conferences, that Ange isn't taking responsibility for set piece defence. What he tells the media and what he tells his squad are not the same. He isn't responsible to journalists.
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@@SonnyTalksSpurs btw, thank you for all the hard work! I wish you great success in the future 🙏🏻
For all the guff that the Premier League is different and special.. yes the competition is higher, but the player quality is as well overall. To think that there is no way that Ange can make it work in the PL is just one-eyed elitist gumph.. 🇦🇺 has always faced this bias in football.. partly its own doing due to underinvestment here - but to not understand what he did in Japan and Scotland to rebuild and turnaround teams is narrow minded
Well said
I would give him the players he wants then see, because this team ain't god enough but the way were shipping goals and lack of effort is worrying...
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I hear you Sonny but Ange still needs to develop in-game management, especially defense and corners, but yes the football is progressive but we cannot keep accepting such heavy loses to our main competitors and he Fulham's, Wolves, Brighton's of the world !
I think he will with time
Conte finished 4th in his first season playing better football conceding less goals,kane aside had a much worse midfield,defence and goalkeeper
But he had Kane that is a big factor and he did get backed in his second season and it was awful and the football was worse and did concede goals
@@SonnyTalksSpurs read my comment again please I said kane aside,and also i said his first season not his second
So… no changes were needed while you were at the top of the league after 10 games but now most of the squad needs to go… Right. So the first ten games were a fluke then, either that or Angela is just a crap manager at this level.
I can tell you’re not a Spurs fan
He will get it right I mean we have to say this but it's like this If he doesn't get results in the result business he will be gone anyway and it seems to me the players he needs have to be Usain Bolt like And that will not last for too long🤔🥸⚽️⚽️🙊🙉🙊
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Usain bolt was shit, why has everyone forgotten this? Edit: because he only ever played in Australia and was not good enough to be offered a full time contract in one of the weakest pro leagues in the world
Why is bolt coming up? Haha
@@SonnyTalksSpurs a few people dropped his name because the speed factor...he thought he'd be able to hide his very mediocre skills behind lightning speed. Even in a low level league this doesn't work
Flange Postecoglue has been rumbled big time - its over.
He is head and shoulders above conte and Jose
Yes, just repeat the cycle and get a new manager who doesn’t get players so he can be sacked in a year again. He’s not the problem, and there’s a common denominator in all of the BS, but lucky for him he’s just upped his salary by £300k a year. But keep calling for the managers head every 12 months, you just enable the twat by doing that, which I am afraid entitles you to the same adjective!
Levy the problem not ange
Dunning Kruger runs rampant in the spurs fanbase
Haha
Sacked by October.
I can tell you’re not a Spurs fan
*worst run of form under any one manager in the PL era.
Had Deki not shouldered a last minute equaliser against city, he'd have done it twice in one season.
Wake up. We're awful and he made us that way dude.
What about the likes of Conte or Mourinho making us that way?
@@SonnyTalksSpurs and they got total blame for it.
I find it odd how fans quickly decided those 2 were the cause or an entire squad getting worse, but Ange seems to get excuse after excuse after excuse.
He has only been here for a short time
@mathewnicholas6365 Arguing about EVERY manager that comes in and can’t win anything because they don’t get what they need, very clever way by the twat at the top to keep lining his pockets and get none of the blame for what is ultimately his fault. The reason he gets away with it is because every 12 months he bombs managers to appease senseless fans who can’t see the wood for the trees. Well done, you’re one of the mindless enablers!
We have to back him up
I have never liked neville (from the beginning of my love for football which isn't that long since 2017)😂
He does have some wild shouts
I fully back ange, why not !? Ive see enough good things to outweigh the bad. Coys
yeah there is deffo more good than bad
Ange out
But why
You can’t blame him for being so dogged. He’s always gone through patchy first seasons, and sometimes second seasons too, but he always gets it right in the end. His self belief is well founded.
It has happened at all of his clubs
He’ll be gone by Xmas
Why?
No. He's deluded and stubborn. Spurs have found out better managers than him and they have found him out as well.
They didn't want to be here and make change and he does
@SonnyTalksSpurs Ya he's changed things alright. Turned the defence into the keystone cops. Full backs are not strikers!
There’s more issues than just this - he’s at the start
@SonnyTalksSpurs come back to me at Christmas and tell me I was right!
We will see
Only one change required, Send him back to his level....20 robots, would help him...But the opposition managers ALL have a Plan B to nullify TH, its better than PlanA(NGE) will ever be...The EPL is a cruel place for a player or a manager who doesn't have the ability....
Give him time to prove you wrong