Manchester Marathon: Pushing the Limits | Disastrous Positive Split
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- čas přidán 19. 04. 2023
- Follow my Manchester Marathon experience as I attempt a sub-3-hour finish with a bold and risky race strategy, starting at an incredibly fast pace for my fitness level. From the adrenaline-filled start at Old Trafford to the dramatic slowdown in the second half of the race, I'll share the lessons I learned on pacing, nutrition, and the consequences of pushing too hard. This video is perfect for runners who want to understand the risks and rewards of unconventional marathon strategies, or those considering the Manchester Marathon as their next challenge. Don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more honest running insights and race recaps! #ManchesterMarathon #Sub3HourAttempt #RunningLessons
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I understand there was a route change in recent years that added elevation gain to the route. Having said that, while it might not be pancake flat, I'd still say it could definitely be described as flat.
That is a brilliant time! I was shocked to see that considering the narrative. To do 2 sub 3 hour marathons in consecutive weeks is incredible. Well done.
Thank you! Yes I was unaware of the route change prior to making the video so that's interesting to note. I was expecting almost pancake flat. Very happy with two sub threes so close together. Will definitely now target 2:50 next year because I think I have a chance.
A really important video Stephen. You took a calculated risk and got away with it but then you're a very experienced runner. Running 26.2 without water or nutrition is bordering dangerous for 99% of us. Two of my marathons where I didn't get the nutrition right have ended up with me needing medical help, scary at the time! Congrats on your time, definitely hard earned.
Thanks John. Yes nutrition is a big subject and a very controversial one. What did you take in those marathons and what happened? For me I feel it's generally safer to put less sugary crap in my body and let my body use its natural fat as a fuel source. So it's not like I don't have any fuel source at all, it's just that I'm using one that doesn't require me to eat very much. I'd be really really sick if I started consuming the amount of gels I see some runners taking. But it is of course, a case of what works for one will not necessarily work for someone else!! Appreciate your input John, thanks.
Hi Stephen, that is what every marathon feels like for some of us, however slowly you start 🙂
Haha, I get it. Marathons are a tough old beast.
You know what I love about your videos is that its not just the editing, but your narration is spot on. I need to take a lesson from how you do your video's, watching this whilst working lol...dont tell the boss.
Haha, thanks Jay but to be honest, like all these things, I have also learned from others. I love what www.youtube.com/@thisisjogon does and also www.youtube.com/@JeffPelletier. Amazing voiceovers and story telling. So, we all give and take from each other I think. Really appreciate your comments though.
Just to make a correction from the start of this video. The very first Manchester Marathon was in 1908. There have been numerous editions since then but there was a 10 year break from 2002 to 2012 when the current iteration began. If you enjoy the video please do click the like button and if you aren't subscribed I would be really honoured if you would sub to the channel. Thank you and I'll see you on the start line, next time.
I did the final one before the break in 2001. It was a tester for the Commonwealth Games course and my first marathon. 3.14
@@tworunningbrooms Aaah cool. To be honest I can't believe it's taken me so long to get round to doing it.
Great video as always and glad I made the cut as it's a lovely reminder of my race day! Awesome to meet you on the day and brilliant running!
Well done Luke. Great to meet you and great time. It's the time I am aiming for next year.... or later this year if I can get my shit together.
Kamikaze is just the right word! 😂 well done, imagine if you’d had some fuel on board? 👏👏
Part of me quite enjoyed the rebelliousness of just running as fast as I could with little care for the consequences. Probably not a great life lesson!
Great video Stephen! You really put it out there. So exciting to see you on course giving it your all. Well done on another sub 3 and hope you're feeling better now. May catch you in the big smoke!
So cool to see you guys NOT in Cornwall!! Haha
Some of the best race vlogs on CZcams right here. Really great effort and well done on your time.
Appreciate that Ian, thank you. What's next for you?
@@FilmMyRun trying to find a friendly ultra to have a pop at for sorting best year I think. Maybe a 100km. This year is likely to be easy half marathons to give the aging body a break!
Don't forget the word "fun" every now and again mate! 🤣 You got to the line, and most runners dream of sub 3 so I think it was a good day Stephen.
Yea, I did say that word a bit too often!! ahaha it's almost as if I was trying to convince myself!
Manc2023 was my first ever marathon and I accidentally did similar to you (albeit at a slower pace!). I felt good at the start, and ran the first half with -1:00/km my goal pace. I dialled it back from 21-31, slower again 31-35, then the cramps set in and I had to do 1km run / 250m walk for the remaining 7km ... so bit of a disaster!
And yes, Manchester isn't flat!!
Aaah well done though Jason. You'll learn so much from your first and you'll come back next time with a more controlled and disciplined approach. Just to be clear I would never race like this if it was a target A race. It's a difficult skill to master, not wanting to bank time at the beginning when you're feeling great. What do you have planed next?
Ha I ran momentarily with you just before 30k as I was bonking hard lol. Was shocked to see you on the course and up there after doing Paris weeks earlier! Like you I went out in 1:25 but I finished in 3:01. Absolutely horrific but a lesson learnt!
Yup sounds like we had a similar experience. I probably just bonked slightly later than you so I could hold on to the sub 3. Unlucky, but you know it's there for the taking next time. What time were you actually targeting?
@@FilmMyRun Well done for holding on for the sub 3, I just didn't have it in me. It was actually my first marathon so when I got to 30km I sort of panicked and told myself I just had to finish. I was aiming to run at 2:50-2:52 pace which I thought was realistic after running 1:19 at Brighton half and 2:07 in a 20 mile race in March. Obviously wasn't meant to be on the day and already looking forward to the next one!
I couldnt wait for this video 😎. It was great to see you and i had no idea of your plan before the race else i would have called you a few names 🤣. You still did an amazing job and even to do 2 marathons back to back like that beating sub 3 is outstanding. I'm glad you mentioned the inclines too, thats the mancunian sence of humour telling you the course is flat 😁
Hahahaha why do you think I didn't tell you?!! I kept the whole thing pretty quiet to be honest just so I had no pressure.
I love Manchester marathon. My dau and my marathon PB. Atmosphere is incredible. First time in 6 years I miss it. Gutted. You tried mate. Still a decent result. 2:57 is quite incredible.
Thanks Nono. I think I enjoyed it now looking back!! I understand the course has changed recently which is why it's slightly hillier.
Happy 21st Stephen 🎉 a fantastic job despite the positive splits. Although this tends to happen to me in every race 😂 great to have 2x sub-3s under your belt. This is good motivation 💪🏼💪🏼
People don't seem to believe I am 21. No idea why. Thanks Mike.
@@FilmMyRun you don’t look a day over 20 Stephen 🧡
@@30somethingmike I know!!!
you did really well to hold on as long as you did. I go out and I'm gone by 10k or so, probably even before that. Brilliant effort with only Paris a short time before. You still should be proud of yourself. And just a thought I ran Boston (UK of course) marathon because I was told it was the flattest in the UK.. I've just found it on my strava and it shows 118 ft, so not bad over a whole marathon.
Thanks for taking me on your channel 0:37
Aaah it’s you!! Nice one! Hope you had a great race!
Great test and great content! A perfectly timed reminder not to inadvertently do the same experiment this Saturday during my race.
Haha, yes that's the thing, it takes a very disciplined approach to not bank time or miles in the early stages because you feel great. Go well on Saturday!
Well done mate 👌🏼 I ran this marathon too my first ever marathon and struggled with IT band pain after 30k but found the strength to limp to the end and did in 4 hours. Super proud of myself for a 44 yr old 🙌🏼
Awesome. We only get slower as we get older so great job for getting it done. Last 10k's a killer!!
Done it a few times over the years. Always Bradley 🤪but it’s definitely not flat. Maybe I’ll try again next year 😜
It's definitely one of those that you have to do in the UK. Can't believe I've only just got round to it.
Lol, unhappy with a sub 3h marathon - priceless 😂
Haha, well actually no I do say in the video I am very happy with another sub 3! But I was disappointed with the performance as a whole regardless of the finish time. Just wish I could have not slowed down quite so badly.
Impressive regardless of positive split. This is like a less extreme version of That Running Guy’s 2021 London Marathon where he went out way too fast and blew up at 9 miles. Brutal.
Oh I'll have to watch that!! Always makes for entertaining viewing watching someone else have a terrible time!! haha
Cheers. Great video. First of all can I say congratulations on the sub 3 hour.
A gamble is ok but it's got to be a calculated gamble, rather than reckless. Slowing down factionally rather than intense sprint would've certainly helped especially as you reach the sneaky hills at mile 16, but you know that already. Sorry for stating the obvious again but you might need to look at mid-race fuelling strategy. I've run marathons without water on a few occasions but need to have gels or something else in my stomach during the race. We're all different of course.
Lots of positives from the race, including your 2nd fastest marathon and lessons learnt. I'd say that's a pretty good day.
Hi Colin thanks for this. Remember though that this was just a bit of fun. My A race was two weeks before in Paris. I would never run like this in a proper race!!
@@FilmMyRun Yeah, I understand but 6 miles on the ‘struggle bus’ ain’t no fun.
Like I said, so many many positives from the day. You did brilliant to maintain that intense pace for time you did so huge well done.
Very best of luck with future challenges.
@@MrCol104 omg so true. The final six are always death when you race like that. When I said ‘fun’ I did mean type 2 fun haha!! But what this did do was give me confidence that achieving sub 2:50 is a realistic goal for the future. If I can run like that for 28km with Paris in my legs and having not actually trained for that pace, imagine the possibilities if I actually target 2:50 from the outset.
Still a great run and under 3 hours, awesome job.
Thanks Marc, yea got to be happy with the end result really. Could have been a lot worse.
Your stomach must be trying to eat itself after that race. Oh gosh. Imagine if you’d eaten something during that marathon! 😂 but still congrats on a great run!
Hahaha, thanks yes. I just didn't really plan very well and I was only 'having fun' with the race. My pacing was basically comedy pacing. BUT it did make me think, what if I actually trained properly for this pace. So that's the plan for next year. I'm going to train with the intention of trying 2:50 pace properly, with nutrition and everything!!
Last marathon I ran, London 07 I was the same, went off at half marathon pace with the crowd, was hoping for a sub 4 hour, didn't train enough for it first half 2 hours exactly second half 2:47!
Brilliant! If you’re going to do a positive split, do it right, that’s my thinking!!
Nice experiment!!! Still a solid time, and 2 weeks after Paris also👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Thanks. Yes, having done Paris and been very happy with the result I thought I could just do what I liked with Manchester and see what happened. Still happy with the time if not the performance.
I enjoyed watching this and excellent video quality. I think it’s important to say, especially to newer runners (like me), that going a whole marathon without nutrition is potentially very, very dangerous.
Thank you Conrad. Good luck with your running. How far are you on your journey? What races do you have planned?
@@FilmMyRun I did Manchester on Sunday (my first ever!) and then got Leeds in 3 weeks . September is my biggie - 100k on the Thames path 😳
@@conradburdekin722 that will be amazing Conrad. I think you did mention it to me already. Good with Leeds as well!!
@@FilmMyRun oh sorry 😂. I forget what I’ve said to whom 😂. I’m putting it down to post marathon exhaustion. I’m still so tired!
shows how far you've come that you got a 2:57 and feel disappointed lol. reminds me of the Life of Brian Scene '' what I wouldn't give to be spat at in the face..they only hung me up the right way yesterday'' jokes aside great work Steve 2 Sub 3 hour marathons so close together, now do yourself a favour and REST for a bit lol
Sorry I missed this. I wasn't disappointed as I knew what I was doing was a big risk. I was definitely happy to get under 3 hours again.
Amazing energy comes from ur videos!!! Quite frankly it's you to keep me running 🤝 Please keep your fingers crossed for my 3:50 this Sunday during Cracovia Marathon. My first marathon ever 😊
Konrad you are a superstar for this channel. Thanks my friend for all your continued support. Keep going. Keep running.
I've seen quite a few CZcams videos of this race. With so many people filming, I keep expecting to see other people with cameras among the runners.
I guess the plan to intentionally go off too fast and not to eat anything was less than ideal 😂 Worth a try! 👍🏻🏃♂️
I ran it and didn't notice any cameras at all! Maybe I'm just very focussed.
@@danielkoschalka3955 well done mate. Hope you had a good race 👍🏻🏃♂️
Check 7:30 in this video. You can see a CZcamsr @ob1brand filming 😂
@@mattb6873 Haha! Nice one 😄👍🏻
@@markg99 Thanks, Mark! I got a PB. My third marathon and the first one I've completed in a time I'm happy with.
I bet you noticed the difference in the recovery from not fueling! Well done on a great run and really interesting to do to test yourself!
Yea, you definitely need at least something during a run like that. I felt terrible afterwards for a long time, whereas after Paris I felt perfectly fine from the moment I finished.
@@FilmMyRun It's a good lesson! I've signed up for Paris next year 🙂
Yeah the new route certainly isn’t as flat, but it’s better than the quiet carrington section. Well done…that must’ve hurt!!
So is the whole Altrincham section new then? Obviously it's the first time I've run Manchester so I was expecting this pan flat course!!
FIRST! I did see you speed past me in first few miles and by time I knew it was you, you were long gone!
And I’ll bet you almost caught up with me by the end!! Well done on your run. I did look out for you when I was walking past the finish a little later as you were live streaming.
@@FilmMyRun what next for you?
Legend
Ha cheers Darin
Made for a very interesting vlog though Stephen - thanks for telling it how it was 🤢🏃🏻♂️😂👍
Interesting point. If I wasn't making a video, would I have run faster? Would I have died so heavily in the last 10k? Or would I have thought, sod it I'll just jog round?!!
Kamikaze Pace Strategy only ever ends in tears 😂
Oh yes. It was fun to try but never ever do that in a proper race!!
Really enjoy your work but Manchester has had a marathon way before 2012. I tried (and failed) to get a London championship time of sub 2.35 in the mid 1990s. It was a harrowing experience and a DNF. My better half never lets me forget it when I even hint about "doing an ultra"!
I knew that sounded strange when I read it. So I assume it's just this particular version of the marathon that started in 2012? Thanks for the heads up.
@@FilmMyRun No worries. Enjoy your work. The UTMB videos are sublime.
Boston lincolnshire is the flattest. Taking all into account that was an unreal time, I salute you. I'm going to subscribe for more stupid marathon tips, only joking 😂😂
Seriously considering Boston or Newport for a fast run next year. Thank you so much for subscribing! There's usually plenty of stupidity on this channel!
I was part of the water station at 6 miles and ......missed you! 😂
Oh no! I'm so sorry I missed you. Yea, 6 miles in is a bit early for me to be having anything to be honest. Unless it's a hot day, I won't usually even have water until after 10 miles.
Wow 2 fast marathons that close together. You must be fit.
Probably the fittest I've been for 3 years. But it's all going down the pan now as I'm back at the ultras again for the rest of the summer.
A good experiment. Thought you were going to fall to bits. But you faded. Is that down to your experience as others blew on the day.
I guess it's just about how trained up you are for the speed you're going. I think on a good day I'm not far off 2:50 so rather than completely fall to pieces I did just gradually fade.....albeit fairly quickly!! If I'd started at 2:45 pace I most certainly would have completely fallen apart! Well done you for calling it when you did. Unlucky but when it's not your day, scratch it and come back stronger next time.
I did my first half marathon the other day, and ran too fast. But I managed to get under 2 hours because of my stupid determination. I was in a lot of pain and exhausted for the last 5k.
Can’t get my head around your thought process for that first half , all things considered- just daft. Great effort though, well done
Haha, daft is an understatement! But I can take you through my exact thought process. Paris was my A race and it was very successful. So Manchester wasn't important. I could do what I wanted with it. I genuinely think I can do 2:50. Ok, I'm probably not in shape for 2:50 right now, but let's just give it a go and see what happens. If it doesn't work out, what have I lost? I would never use this strategy deliberately in a proper A race.
Makes for good CZcams if nothing else LOL ! However bit like the Victoria Dock parkrun shows you are in your best form ever if can pick up 2nd best ever performances "unconventionally".
I realise this is a bit of a late reply, but it's definitely made me think that I might have a chance at 2:50 if I actually target it and train properly for it. Let's see if I can put a training block together next year for London.
@@FilmMyRun ah you are doing London this time. Don't think GFA places can be applied for yet. Looks like the qualifying period ends end Sept. I have that option too. 2:50 not out of the question for you for sure. When I was last in sort of shape I was around 35 for 10K, sub 80 for HM which for me personally seem now somewhat out of reach but maybe still in my head :) Perhaps we should link up for some training in the winter well as well as Zwift of course.
@@TimGrose that would be good yes
How did the Saucony Elite feel over the distance?
Absolutely perfect. Wore them in Paris too. I love them more than my Vaporflys
@@FilmMyRun oh nice! I don't think I run quick enough to justify wearing them personally 🤣 Congratulations on finishing 👏🏻
Impressive commitment to suicidal pacing! 😂😂😂
Haha, thanks. I mean, it doesn't hurt to be an idiot from time to time!
maybe just maybe you could have kept the pace if you had not run a marathon two weeks ago eh? just saying.
Yes of course, but the race 2 weeks before was my A race. This was just a bit of fun. There’s no way I’d have run like this if it was a proper attempt.